WM 6.5 is a tip of an iceberg called Zune!

WM 6.5 is a tip of an iceberg called Zune! - Touch HD General

some time ago I saw a thread about discussions on how the Windows Mobile 6.5 and/or 7 would be like and I mentioned that it looked like Microsoft was trying to keep everything in the family as the menu looked exactly like the Zune's. None replied.
For those who are not aware, Zune is the Microsoft's media player which is available only in the US and Canada but you can pretty much buy it anywhere through eBay - that's how I got mine, a black 80GB one, which I love. zune's got wifi and the ability to access its marketplace through any wifi spot, big deal :-| the good thing about zune is that, if you want, it will store your plays and update automatically. quite good for social environments.
Xbox 360's dashboard is now Zune styled with a touch of 3D but the concept is the same, a menu, scrolling up and down and inside the item you go to the right to see more options. the menu itself is located at the left side of the screen.
and here it comes: Zune TV.
very slowly and purposedly making it look clumsy to observers, microsoft is building a massive entertainment network and to have the best of it, you will find yourself taking the whole family.
this article got me thinking and you'll get the reason i posted it here by reading it. some discussing about it?
http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2009/03/02/microsoft-plans-for-a-zune-tv/

SlakerBoi said:
some time ago I saw a thread about discussions on how the Windows Mobile 6.5 and/or 7 would be like and I mentioned that it looked like Microsoft was trying to keep everything in the family as the menu looked exactly like the Zune's. None replied.
For those who are not aware, Zune is the Microsoft's media player which is available only in the US and Canada but you can pretty much buy it anywhere through eBay - that's how I got mine, a black 80GB one, which I love. zune's got wifi and the ability to access its marketplace through any wifi spot, big deal :-| the good thing about zune is that, if you want, it will store your plays and update automatically. quite good for social environments.
Xbox 360's dashboard is now Zune styled with a touch of 3D but the concept is the same, a menu, scrolling up and down and inside the item you go to the right to see more options. the menu itself is located at the left side of the screen.
and here it comes: Zune TV.
very slowly and purposedly making it look clumsy to observers, microsoft is building a massive entertainment network and to have the best of it, you will find yourself taking the whole family.
this article got me thinking and you'll get the reason i posted it here by reading it. some discussing about it?
http://www.hdtv-news.co.uk/2009/03/02/microsoft-plans-for-a-zune-tv/
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This would be a welcomed advancement if 6.5 was to include zune

Don't forget the Windows Media Center menu
Since the very first version (2004 I think), you have a scrolling list, and in the selected item in the list, 2 or more options... just like the WM6.5 menu

lpaso said:
Don't forget the Windows Media Center menu
Since the very first version (2004 I think), you have a scrolling list, and in the selected item in the list, 2 or more options... just like the WM6.5 menu
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
exactly! for some reason I forgot the almost forgettable Windows Media Center.
these guys really know what they're doing despite looking like they're the losers far behind Apple and this kinda of scares me to be honest. lolololol

i fear we'll have to wait for win7 to turn the page
and god knows if it will run ok on our hd

crashDebug said:
i fear we'll have to wait for win7 to turn the page
and god knows if it will run ok on our hd
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
By the time windows 7 comes out, the HD will be a long lost memory.

Fallen Spartan said:
By the time windows 7 comes out, the HD will be a long lost memory.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
i thought that too but im starting to believe otherwise. i think the HD is such a good piece of hardware that it will stay for a long time like the hermes. to be honest i am more interested in the developments of Android on HD than 6.5 itself. from what ive seen so far, 6.5 is the 6.1 with a new facelift which doesn't really make my mind.
days ago i was in the bus and there was this guy sitting next to me, he had an iphone and although i know the iphone very well as i used to sell it, this time it got me impressed how smooth and responsive it is. HD has a great hardware but even with all the tweaks we could possibly imagine to add it still just ok but not excellent and this thanks to Windows Mobile 6.1.
if you think about it, that's microsoft main problem: they can't innovate at all but they're great when it comes to improve someone else's idea. they developed windows mobile based on the concepts of those very old monochrome screen PDAs like Newton and Palm, to be used with a Stylus, and it wasn't even supposed to have phone capabilities but they added it later. they never realized that touchscreen would be the future and people would prefer to use their fingers rather than a little thing we keep losing... look what's happening now...

SlakerBoi said:
i thought that too but im starting to believe otherwise. i think the HD is such a good piece of hardware that it will stay for a long time like the hermes. to be honest i am more interested in the developments of Android on HD than 6.5 itself. from what ive seen so far, 6.5 is the 6.1 with a new facelift which doesn't really make my mind.
days ago i was in the bus and there was this guy sitting next to me, he had an iphone and although i know the iphone very well as i used to sell it, this time it got me impressed how smooth and responsive it is. HD has a great hardware but even with all the tweaks we could possibly imagine to add it still just ok but not excellent and this thanks to Windows Mobile 6.1.
if you think about it, that's microsoft main problem: they can't innovate at all but they're great when it comes to improve someone else's idea. they developed windows mobile based on the concepts of those very old monochrome screen PDAs like Newton and Palm, to be used with a Stylus, and it wasn't even supposed to have phone capabilities but they added it later. they never realized that touchscreen would be the future and people would prefer to use their fingers rather than a little thing we keep losing... look what's happening now...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Still think it will disappear into the horizon. With new models coming out from other manufacturuers all the time and a reported new HTC device coming out to replace the HD with 8MP camera and win6.5, I think I will forget the HD easily enough. My only concern is that HTC need to make a better improvement with each new release. Too many phones released with no real great improvement between each model.

Related

The HD is a piece of garbage?

so we have to buy coreplayer, and gsen. I plugged my HD into my dutch language computer that runs Vista. No response. I don't know what else to say it doesn't even play nice with windows. I am not an advanced user and if anybody wants to buy oneI then a sale can be made $500 is what I am asking. This phone for all purposes is a hunk of junk.

Then get an iPhone and have fun with a phone that can't connect to any computer, has lots of expensive applications and little freeware, doesn't even have any software like gsen....
Sorry but WHY THE *BEEP* DON'T YOU INFORM YOURSELF BEFORE MAKING A POST LIKE THIS?
1. The phone connects nicely to any Vista PC, you probably did something wrong. Get an Update of Windows Mobile Device Center.
2. GSen is freeware, and so is Gyrator 2.
3. No one forces you to buy Coreplayer. Windows Media Player and lots of other freeware players also play videos.

Troubleshoot sync connection problem (Taken from page 109 of user manual)
In some cases, when the computer connects to the Internet or a local network, it may disconnect the connection with your device in favor of the Internet or network connection.
If this happens, tap Start > Settings > Connections tab > USB to PC, then clear the Enable advanced network functionality check box. This makes your computer utilize a serial USB connection with your device.
... never mind. Does this solve your problem?
Note that if your intention is to be able to copy big files quickly, then you shoud tick the diskdrive option instead of activesync option.

ryaninuk said:
so we have to buy coreplayer, and gsen. I plugged my HD into my dutch language computer that runs Vista. No response. I don't know what else to say it doesn't even play nice with windows. I am not an advanced user and if anybody wants to buy oneI then a sale can be made $500 is what I am asking. This phone for all purposes is a hunk of junk.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
since it is so bad I will give ya $375 today!!! deal? PM me if youre interested

Probably just needs to do the Windows update thing you have to do the first time you plug a WinMo phone into a Vista computer, usually it pops up when you plug the phone in but sometimes it doesn't.

I'll give you $380 for it if it's in perfect condition

Hey, can I buy it for $400? Since then I can sell it to some of my iPhone toting friends who have been waiting patiently to buy it, after having been especially impressed to see how well and easy my HD instantly connected with my vista PC(s) to synch contacts, upload any file I want like a video that plays perfectly on my HD without even having to touch iSuckingTunes...
But back on topic, $400 is enough for ya?
Sorry to be a bit sarcastic (the above IS NOT EXAGGERATED btw), but your thread title could be a little more constructive than damning the whole phone to hell over a synching issue...

but yeah PM me if you want to sell this HORRIBLE piece of **** phone to me for $400... I would not want to see anyone be so dissapointed with their phone so I will sacrifice myself and give you money for it

@maati - sorry but you are not right - the iphone is a great device
Hello
I think your opinion about the iPhone is very unfair and not very true.
I own a iPhone as my PRIMARY Device (mobile)
It works in all situation smoother and better than alle the HTC devices.
Sorry !
Iown also own a SE XPERIA X1 and the new Touch HD and these are fine hardware devices but WinMo is not as clean as the iPhone OS.
Also WinMo is very long on the markes the iPhone software is better and more stable.
You should not write such Things without Knowledge or Examples.
Both systems have their good parts.
WinMo runs best and syncs best with Windows
iPhone certainly runs smoother with Mac OS, but iTunes is great on Win, too
WinMo is better in Exchange Systems
WinMo is slow because of the wrong Multitasking - the systems MUST run always stable and therefore application MUST be regeind by the OS.
WinMo runs not as smooth and the GUI is terrible.
HTC and SE made a great job on putting software over the OS,
BUT they do not improve their systems and offer legal updates.
You always must buy new Devices to get the latest version.
Apple offers complete improved OS Version nearly every 3 Month and those improvement are very noticle.

Personally I'm fed up reading people whinging about the HD. If you don't like it, sell it and go away.
I love the HD. Its not perfect, I agree. The iphone isn't either.
But I think its the best windows mobile phone so far.
If you want to wait til the perfect phone comes out, good luck waiting!
I come to this forum for helpful, constructive info and discussion...STOP THE WHINGING!!

69reichertm said:
Hello
I think your opinion about the iPhone is very unfair and not very true.
.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
How is it untrue?
You CANT connect the iPhone to any or multple computers to either transfer files/folder management or tether to a laptop as a modem.
In fact you cant do a damn thing with the iphone unless itunes is installed.

Hey guys,
If this is to become another iPhone versus HD discussion, please proceed to this thread, but please read everything before you start.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443900
Thank you.

I make you an offer you cannot refuse.
I am ready to swap my HTC P3300 with a 2GB microSD for your HD.
My P3300 is fully working with Vista.
Come on, this is a once-in-a-lifetime bargain .

my rant
It’s so funny to me how people defend it like it’s a person! If you like something buy it, if not don’t.
I have owned three iphone 3G’s Three! In two months. I feel that the iphone is still in beta!
It freezes up and seems slow. The biggest problem I had is its touted as the best media device on the market. However it has no stereo Bluetooth no VGA screen substandard battery life and very poor call quality! I purchased four iphones for my family.
My wife used hers for a week and didn’t like it and my daughter used her for two weeks and went back to her blackberry.
My son still has his however I have to take him back to apple to get another, after his last update it has been having nothing but problems. I think as an iPod its fantastic. I will look at the next gen iphone when it comes out. Maybe they will fix the camera on the next one. I think the fisher price kiddy camera shoots a better picture! Oh I was going to include a link to a cool iphone web site for iphone owners to look at, but its pretty long and the iphone has no copy and paste! Oh I almost forgot, the new iphone also comes with a packet of grape Kool-Aid! When I get a chance, ill MMS you a quick video clip showing the proper way to make Kool-Aid! Oh **** I forgot, iphone cant record video or send an MMS. I pick my HD at 11am today should be a nice change. Got mine on eBay!

This thread is heading nowhere!
...and please, not another iPhone related thread!

Will Windows Mobile ever....

Get applications like you can get for the iPhone?
I have just had a 'demo' of a load of free apps for the Iphone on a colleagues Iphone and I must admit I was impressed and very surprised, I had always discounted the Iphone as an option for me due to the many (well documented) short commings for power users. However after seeing such applications as the Tioti TV+ which is so quick and smooth and lets you send remote record requests to a Sky+ box - somehting I have been desperate for. Along with great film and cinema applications and many other very neat applications which aren't available on Windows Mobile, I am begining to wonder if I made the wrong decision in purchassing my touch HD??!
Just thought I would share my thoughts with you all....I am sure I will get a barrage of abuse for this post, but would love to know if we think the future of windows mobile may include some more intuitive and consistently looking applications.
P.S. If anyone knows of a SKY+ remote record app which is designed for Windows Mobile I would love to know!

A related question from a relative novice when it comes to downloading and installing apps... is there anything like the iPhone appstore for Windows mobile apps - where applications are listed with screenshots, descriptions, what phones/resolution they work on, etc? I've seen lots of great home-grown apps, and lots of vendor websites that seem to be pedalling a specific product, but haven't seen anything that attempts to bring it all together?
Thanks,
Dave

davehodgkinson said:
A related question from a relative novice when it comes to downloading and installing apps... is there anything like the iPhone appstore for Windows mobile apps - where applications are listed with screenshots, descriptions, what phones/resolution they work on, etc? I've seen lots of great home-grown apps, and lots of vendor websites that seem to be pedalling a specific product, but haven't seen anything that attempts to bring it all together?
Thanks,
Dave
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
www.handango.com for example....

jrshodges said:
Get applications like you can get for the iPhone?
I have just had a 'demo' of a load of free apps for the Iphone on a colleagues Iphone and I must admit I was impressed and very surprised, I had always discounted the Iphone as an option for me due to the many (well documented) short commings for power users. However after seeing such applications as the Tioti TV+ which is so quick and smooth and lets you send remote record requests to a Sky+ box - somehting I have been desperate for. Along with great film and cinema applications and many other very neat applications which aren't available on Windows Mobile, I am begining to wonder if I made the wrong decision in purchassing my touch HD??!
Just thought I would share my thoughts with you all....I am sure I will get a barrage of abuse for this post, but would love to know if we think the future of windows mobile may include some more intuitive and consistently looking applications.
P.S. If anyone knows of a SKY+ remote record app which is designed for Windows Mobile I would love to know!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't use Sky+ and have no idea on apps for this - but, I understood it is possible to control the Sky+ box remotely just via an SMS ?
Another possible option is a Slingbox ?
Try also pocketgear.com for applications: http://www.pocketgear.com/en_US/html/index.jsp
and, Softpedia: http://handheld.softpedia.com/#categories-soft

A five second search on google / sky produced this:
http://anytime.sky.com/mobile.aspx

And clicking through to the supported handsets only lists a few manufacturers and I don't think there are any WM devices.
I think it's a Java app? It might work (I don't have Sky, so can't test!).

Cheesy Dave said:
A five second search on google / sky produced this:
http://anytime.sky.com/mobile.aspx
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Perhaps you should read on as there is no compatible version for Windows Mobile 6.1 (HTC Touch HD)!
Hawk

You need to analyse your own requirements before deciding if iphone or HD is right for you.
For me, the lack of GPS software (google map doesnt qualify), office applications, user swappable spare battery, inability to support stylus, and lack of choices in software keyboard in iphone make it an unacceptable choice.
Another person's need might be different.
jrshodges said:
Get applications like you can get for the iPhone?
I have just had a 'demo' of a load of free apps for the Iphone on a colleagues Iphone and I must admit I was impressed and very surprised, I had always discounted the Iphone as an option for me due to the many (well documented) short commings for power users. However after seeing such applications as the Tioti TV+ which is so quick and smooth and lets you send remote record requests to a Sky+ box - somehting I have been desperate for. Along with great film and cinema applications and many other very neat applications which aren't available on Windows Mobile, I am begining to wonder if I made the wrong decision in purchassing my touch HD??!
Just thought I would share my thoughts with you all....I am sure I will get a barrage of abuse for this post, but would love to know if we think the future of windows mobile may include some more intuitive and consistently looking applications.
P.S. If anyone knows of a SKY+ remote record app which is designed for Windows Mobile I would love to know!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Nighthawk2050 said:
Perhaps you should read on as there is no compatible version for Windows Mobile 6.1 (HTC Touch HD)!
Hawk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've installed the JAVA components and they work on Windows Mobile 6.1 - the issue is that the software expects you to have a keyboard (or a keypad) attached to input various details .... so you can't use it on a Touch HD !

Thank you for all your comments and suggestions, however I don't beleive sites like handandgo etc are anything like the Iphone Appstore, the apps cost a lot more and you have no idea of compatability. I don't beleive you can easily browse for apps on your handset, like you can with for example the Iphone.
I am not saying I think the Iphone is the best choice of phone, but they certainly got somehting right with the app store and wondered if Microsoft will listen up and provide developers an easy route to dev similar apps for windows mobile?!
I Have tried all the Java Sky remote apps before and as you have spotted they do not work with a touch screen device if it doesn't have hardware buttons too. Also even if it did work it is not very user freindly - I was using this as a example of a really usefull app, which I am amazed has not been built for Windows Mobile touch devices too....it just seems weird why there are so many great little apps for the Iphone, which are so easy to download and browse though, yet it has only been about a relatively short time in comparison with Windows Mobile....I find this most annoying!
Anyway, thanks again for your input

jrshodges said:
Thank you for all your comments and suggestions, however I don't beleive sites like handandgo etc are anything like the Iphone Appstore, the apps cost a lot more and you have no idea of compatability. I don't beleive you can easily browse for apps on your handset, like you can with for example the Iphone.
I am not saying I think the Iphone is the best choice of phone, but they certainly got somehting right with the app store and wondered if Microsoft will listen up and provide developers an easy route to dev similar apps for windows mobile?!
I Have tried all the Java Sky remote apps before and as you have spotted they do not work with a touch screen device if it doesn't have hardware buttons too. Also even if it did work it is not very user freindly - I was using this as a example of a really usefull app, which I am amazed has not been built for Windows Mobile touch devices too....it just seems weird why there are so many great little apps for the Iphone, which are so easy to download and browse though, yet it has only been about a relatively short time in comparison with Windows Mobile....I find this most annoying!
Anyway, thanks again for your input
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're welcome and good luck with your choice - still an Iphone ?
Yes, the apps in WM are expensive and there is no simple app store. Rumours are around that MS will fix this.
Having said that, the app developers for WM are doing some great work. I have loads of apps on my HD (see other forum posts I've made recently).
I would like a TV guide app that brings in channels from across Europe. That is, one that would allow me to select my favorite channels.
Sorry the Sky+ thing did not work, as I said, I don't have any experience with this. I'm surprised the keyboard SIP did not work when using the java app.

michi123 said:
www.handango.com for example....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you - will take a look around that and the others suggested by people. I suspect my response will be similar to jrshodges - not overly clear on compatibility and quite expensive. But I won't be pessimistic...
Thanks again.
Dave

Cheesy Dave said:
You're welcome and good luck with your choice - still an Iphone ?
Yes, the apps in WM are expensive and there is no simple app store. Rumours are around that MS will fix this.
Having said that, the app developers for WM are doing some great work. I have loads of apps on my HD (see other forum posts I've made recently).
I would like a TV guide app that brings in channels from across Europe. That is, one that would allow me to select my favorite channels.
Sorry the Sky+ thing did not work, as I said, I don't have any experience with this. I'm surprised the keyboard SIP did not work when using the java app.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cheers Dave, no - not an Iphone...yet...I am happy to persevere with my WinMo device for the forseeable as I do belive I would miss, like others Sat Nav (which by the way I use TomTom and it looks and works great) ease of Exchange sync etc etc.
I just wanted to rant for a bit about the lack of decent and easily accesable apps for WinMo....in the hopes someone would point me in the direction of a lovely MS App Store (wishful thinking!). I hope you are right and wee do see something from MS soon, although I guess they will wait and in include it in Windows Mobile 6.5 or 7 - although by the sounds of it that won't be anytime soon :-(
And if anyone does ever find a decent TV guide and Sky + App then please remember this thread and post it for us!

Its also worth mentioning that although there are a lot of iPhone apps, and yes they are cheap, most are useless eye candy that have about 2 minutes worth of value in them.

Check out my list of apps here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3116988#post3116988
Also, of course, the wiki page:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Software
I don't know much about the Apple apps. But, I can say that some of these WM apps are really serious work and clearly have had lots of effort and thought applied to them.
My latest addition is Pocket Stars - a bit of astronomy fun for me, but a serious app for enthusiasts.

The iphone is for simple folk. The app store is for simple folk. IE it works.
WM is bit more complicated but gives those of you willing to use it a lot more freedom.

I do wish there were more apps and games for the HD.
I have both the Iphone and HD at home (well the Mrs has the iphone) once jailbroken the iphone is truly amazing and I almost wish i had one instead, but them my mrs reminds me why i dont have one, I would get board in no time. I played with hers (iphone that is) for a couple of days over the xmas break then went back to playing around on my HD.
Its still early days for the HD and remember the IPHONE has been around for quite some time now.
Give it a little time and the HD will be up there with the iphone, you already starting to see some really nice app/games coming out.
My only other wish would be some way to get multi-touch to work on HD as it makes games very playable on iphone.

The problem with Microsoft trying to replicate the iPhone App Store is that Apple have 2 different handsets to maintain, which are practically identical except for the GPS/3G.
There are many different versions of WM in use, with many software customisations by handset manufacturers and operators and varying hardware abilities.
I'm not sure how it would be possible to test the full range of devices that a particular application may work with. On top of that, people may or may not have updated the firmware for their device, which can break (or fix) applications.
I'd love to see it, but it's certainly more difficult supporting hundreds of different handsets customised by many operators rather than 1 and a bit

I saw on here that someone is working very hard to make a form of "app store" that will work on phones (credit to them for the effort) its called Gecko...i found the link on the forum. Give it time, I think it will come...

So long Leo

If you are the kind of person who gets emotionally attached to the gadgets you buy, please stop reading this post.
I'm not trying to start an inflamed discussion about which is the best device or manufacturer.
I’m not an Apple fan, in fact, I hate being “Apple locked” and that’s one of the main reasons I’ve bought the Leo after owning an Eten x500, a Kaiser, a Blackstone and finally, an iPhone 3GS.
I could go over and over describing the differences and the pros and cons of each device but I won’t. I’ll just try to tell you guys a few things we don’t have to accept.
We don’t have to accept …
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
a Gigahert processor which can’t smoothly scroll a web page. I know it’s probably due to bad Opera coding but… have you ever scrolled an iPhone Safari?
a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
I could go on but there is something I realized that made me feel really hopeless (yes, I would really like to like a Windows phone). While HTC (and other manufacturers) keeps on launching device after device in a short time frame and thus creating new bugs and issues to deal with, Apple keeps on improving its one and only iPhone OS, for its one iPhone device (ok, different versions but very similar) which keeps getting better and better.
While iPhone developers have to deal with interface and compatibility issues for 3 very similar devices, a Windows Mobile developer has to deal with hundreds of them, some very poorly designed and a few very good (like Leo) but in the end, there is no way to develop a very good app for so many devices without a huge effort (and cost). Also, developing an App exclusively for one Windows phone wouldn’t be cost effective as a single model doesn’t represent a large enough consumer market.
Apple, with the iPhone, didn’t create a device as we are used to. Instead, they created a product with a long roadmap, mature SDK, sufficient market share, providing the necessary ecosystem for developers all around the world to make it even better.
It won’t be possible for any manufacturer, using any OS, to compete with such a mature product if they don’t realize it’s not a device we need. It’s a product.
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)

fmcastro said:
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.

Xeon said:
Couldn't agree more on that.. Actually some people believed that HTC guys were deaf to provide us with such a loud distorted audio quality. I can't forgive HTC for the SMS bug.. I can't load all my SMS, device becomes really really slow and laggy.. How come they did not run a proper test to ensure their HTC Messaging application was working fine with dozens of SMS? This is really unprofessional. What where they busy with? The weather animation?
HTC support will contact me today to collect some symptoms and bugs I found but they did NOT ( as they claimed ).
Hopefully a hotfix will be available ASAP.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...

fmcastro said:
Well, one thing we can safely assume by now is that no one at HTC actually uses their devices. Unless they are all deaf, send and receive SMSs only to/from their one and only imaginary friend and probably spend too much of their time watching the weather channel...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Some bugs are bearable.. I had too many with all my previous XDA/HTC phones. But for such basic bugs to be found, the device primary tasks ( phone calls / SMS ) should never be affected because it makes the device useless...

fmcastro said:
the endless steps (gold card, hardSPL, regEdit, dictionary hacks, you name it) needed to get the phone speaking your language. You just have to say: I want “THAT” system language and “THAT” input language and that’s it. That’s how it’s done on the iPhone. And I’m not talking 3 or 4 languages. I’m saying over 30 different languages and oh, you also have voice control on YOUR language. You don’t need to hack Voice Command…
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
fmcastro said:
an SMS conversation that gets all messages out of order (doesn’t HTC know how to do time calculations?)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
fmcastro said:
a whole bunch of bad designed apps which you can’t effectively control / interface with because Windows Mobile programmers really don’t seem to realize that “user friendlier” is better. Have you ever used a same App on both platforms? Take Trapster for example (It’s available at Micrsoft app store). The windows mobile version of it makes me feel sorry for the programmer while the iPhone version feels very nice. Of course this is not the only example…
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
fmcastro said:
a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?

aussiebum said:
Uh... you do realise that the reason these hacks exist is because the HD2 probably hasn't been officially launched in the country / language of your choice, and that people are hacking so they can use the HD2 in their country sooner than as decided by the carrier?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Humm... not exactly. Most people here at XDA were trying to switch from an oficial ROM to another. That said, we're talking about official languages. I was trying to flash a WWE ROM on a french device for example. The HTC excuse for this terrible language mess is, of course, microsoft: "Unfortunately, due to licensing restrictions put in place by Microsoft, it is not legally possible for us the change the language of a device once it has been loaded" - Quoted from an HTC support email I received.
aussiebum said:
That's Microsoft's fault - having said that, I haven't had the problem with the HD2 itself - only the custom ROMS cooked with Leo packages on a Touch HD.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Do you realise it shouldn't matter whose fault it is? It's a faulty device sold by HTC, period. I don't feel any better knowing it's an OS fault.
aussiebum said:
And this is more due to laziness on the developer's part and nothing to do with Windows MObile or the HD2 in general. Take a look at S2U2 - have you seen how nice the settings page is? Or GAlarm, *the* best alarm program ever.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know but I think it's a bit more complicated as I said on the original post. Besides the laziness, WM developers face a too heterogeneous ecossystem that makes things really harder. "Ok, I've finished my app, now I just have to port it to 640x480, 480x640, 480x800, 800x480, 320x200, and who knows what else, despite the fact that standard WM UIs are really crap so every developer has to start from scratch if they want to make something look good. In short, only a few very brave souls will be capable of that.
aussiebum said:
Agreed. Wish HTC would get their act together.
If you hate iTunes so much why not wait a few more months for the Xperia X10, running Android with Snapdragon? Or the Motorola DROID for that matter?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because Android is not that good also. It seems like a better OS than WM but when it comes to user experience and, most important, a consistent user experience across all apps, it fails for the same reason WM fails. Lack of a product design and roadmap. It's just trying desperately to be installed on as most devices as it can.
Regards

And yet, the reasons people still use Winmo/Android is because the Iphone OS has serious deficiencies in some areas.
There is no perfect phone....all we can do is make the best of each OS.

Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.

Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.

I owned iphone 3gs...
I read all you've been writing and i, as former iphone 3gs user, must say that everything you say is corect but... why don't you say to all of us why you gave up your iphone... or why you really hating go back to itunes... and of course why in the close future you'll give up again, and sell the iphone???
The answer, real answer is that with iPhone you have everything right in place as you say but there is no fun... no joy... like trying to have the best sex but not in the mood... if know what i mean...
I had moments when i pulled out my iphone, from my pocket, and i wanted to play arround with it and...come on, really boring!!!
Iphone is the best in terms of everyday use, but if wm 7 will get better in terms of use it's going to be a strong iphone killer!!!
I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
By the way...
No OS can have better handle of e-mail attachments than wm... for sure!!!
I HAVE NO REGRETS FOR SELLING IPHONE OVER HTC HD2!!!
Cheers!

jimbo29 said:
I really like my HD2, in spite of all the hiccups, because it's fun, you can lose yourself for hours doing nothing but looking inside of it... settings, registry, HKLM, HKCU... does ring a bell, than entering here at xda and finding that someone did something and you hold your breath till you see if that is working or not...
I only say that i like playing... and HTC HD2 is giving me that!!! i don't need silly games to have fun from my device...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for perfectly expressing my thoughts

Toss3 said:
Honestly you'd be better off with an iphone. I love my HD2 despite some minor problems, because I enjoy messing around with my phone. Also browsing the net on the HD2 is much faster than on the 3GS and you don't have to zoom in in order to read anything on the screen.
Let's not forget that the device is going to be upgradeable to winmo 7 as well.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I must say i have had an iphone 3g and i'm more happy with my HTC HD2. One of the reasons is because i simply think you pay way to much for the piece of hardware itself still no 5mpx camera while 8 is almost normal and 12 is high end. The new gs is worth more the money tough but the camera keeps me off and i kept hearing a annoying resonance while calling and the software isn't perfect as well and not that stable after a few days plus the battery life of the HTC HD2 is better as my iphone 3g and way better as the 3gs.
I like the default windows mobile software HTC Sense is annoying, camera flip, weather animations can't be turned off. Emails why show the email in the way it is shown now? i just rather had opened the whole email app so i can view the emails like your supposed to and not like a letter.
While calling you have to slide to get the extra options, why? there is a hang up button on screen wich you can press so why not the other buttons?
HTC tried to make a nice looking skin but not a functional one.
I use the default titanium skin with some modifications like a task manager added to the options and msn and the camera. But the apps for calling and the communications manager work great.
About windows mobile 7:
Windows mobile can be great. But i still have the idea they haven't learned from their mistakes. Look at the buttons a phone is supposed to have according to microsoft for windows mobile 7. a Pickup, a home, a start, a back and a hang up button. Why so many? Home and start could be one, 1 press to go home another to go to start and press again to go home again, simple and effective. Why a back button? when would you use that? Press the home button and your back in the home screen and applications usually have their own back button when needed. So pick-up home and hang-up would have been enough. Since Microsoft asks for these buttons they still think to complicated and i bet windows 7 will to complicated as well all though it will be more complete compared to 6.x.
But i love how i can change things to the user interface and multitasking is great, the iphone can't do that by default and that really sucks. And backgrounder that does make it possible, makes the phone more unstable as a windows mobile one. It is stupid windows mobile doesn't use it's greatest advantage for marketing and battling the iphone with it, this is where windows mobile could stand out with.
I'm writing this from my macbook on os x snow leopard and even i still prefer my windows mobile HTC HD2.

Windows Mobile 7 will simply use CE7 Kernel, compiled for new ARM CPUs and will use the new ARM instructions.
Now we're running Windows Mobile 6.5 that runs on CE5.2 kernel.
It's like running Windows98 on a Phenom X4 quadcore CPU
Even on other MSM chipsets that has got an ARM11 CPU, that potential isn't seen because of that.
When WM7 will be released, we'll see our device performance unleashed

I've had my HD2 for a week now and I must say I'm more than pleased with it. I did consider the iPhone as an option, but as I want to connect my phone to my Exchange Server then it was a no brainer to opt for a Windows Phone and the hardware specs of the HD2 are way above the iPhone. A big thing that put me off the iPhone was it's reliance upon iTunes to synchronise my calendar & contacts - it's dreadfully buggy toy software and I don't want a music application on my work PC.
If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as "the users' fault".
The emergence of open source Android phones whill hopefully spur the mainstream smartphone OS writers to concentrate their efforts on developing their own platforms. It's true to say that Microsoft haven't trerated their Windows OS as a mainstream product and there's still too much legacy code in 6.5, but it's still a decent OS for its intended purpose Hopefully that will be addressed in Version 7 which looks likely to be available to HD2 users as an (free?) upgrade. There's masses of quality third-party apps avaiable to maximise its smartphone potential for just about all users,.
There isn't a perfect smartphone out there and as we demand ever more features of them I doubt if there is likely to be in the forseable future, but the nice thing about the Windows Phone OS is that it is eminently hackable.

HD2 Simply Put...
Depth & Customization!

iphone got it right???
I remember hearing complaints about iphone for at least the first year, and as omneity says:
"If anyone has any doubts as to the iPhone's reliability and stability just Google "iPhone faults" and you'll see the problems users have experienced with their iPhones are considerable, with many being bricked through their hardware faults. Interestingly the most common reported faults are similar to those reported by the HTC dissenters such as slow SMS sending - maybe these are network issues? On top of that there's now the 'Astley' virus which Apple helpfully explain away as 'the users' fault' ".
fmcastro said:
We don’t have to accept …
5. a lot of small bugs on the first ROM. Apple got it right on the first and they had never (ever) built a phone before! How many phones will HTC have to make before they get a stock ROM right? The small things are often the most annoying...
Sadly, I’m going back to my 3GS… (god I hate iTunes…)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
p.s. I am a former Apple user. Iphone is more of Jobs' controlled user experience.
I couldn't stand it.
I find it ironic that Apple started out supporting open source while Gates worked hard at controlling users choice.
Now it is the reverse.

New things r always trapped in some trouble, and that's why i have paid close attention to leo, but i didn't buy it! im just waiting for a staid one.

To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.

Teneka_Khan said:
To put it simply - the HD2 is the best phone I have ever used. I think it is awesome. I've had an iphone, etc - but the truth is there is no phone that hasn't got problems. The Iphone is falwed because it has no multi-tasking, crap camera, poor messaging (in my opinion), limited configurability, and its tied to iTunes which is horrible. The HD2 has non of the above. Yes it has flaws itself, but in my eyes less than any other phone out there at the moment.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I FULLY agree with you ; I also have a iphone 3G 16 GB but is now in the drawer collecting dust. As saying goes, One man's meat is another man poison . No point debating about how good/bad the HD2 and iPhone and any other PDA. It will never end
As far as I am concerned , the HD2 is my choice now vs iPhone

gavinfabl said:
Solution - keep HD2 and get ipod Touch - best of both worlds. Connect ipod via Wifi to HD2.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yep, I totally agree...and that's just what i've now done

Why all the hate for Winmo powered HD2

so i spent a long time trying to decide whether to go with an android phone or hd2
i searched high and wide all over the internet. the only android phone for gsm with a comparable screen is the samsung i9000 which looks like it would come out at about 700 bucks. either that or you take the nexus one/desire which is also in that same ballpark. after all that i went ahead and got the hd2, and i am glad i did. any hardware comparable phone to the hd2 (which there currently isnt because with 1gb rom and 576 mb of ram, beats any other phone)(US version)
After a close look at everything and playing with a friends droid incredible while comparing it to my hd2, the only big advantages i could see to get an android phone would either be the open market place, google maps, speech to text.
Resolution 1:
ok so you decide, hey let me dictate this msg. HERE IS AN IDEA, WHY NOT CALL THEM. (you might even get a chance to dictate it to someone listening).
the only place i can find real use for speech to text is while driving, and in that case, you technically shouldnt be using your phone PERIOD at that time.
Resolution 2:
people keep griping (pronounce gryping) about googlemaps, but as great as googlemaps is, what happens when you lose your bars or do not have a data plan? *gulp* you are screwed. do yourself a favor and get a non-internet reliant gps software (like actual gps devices use), and i also feel that bing does a good job of matching googlemaps.
Resolution 3:
THE MARKET PLACE. I do wish we had a market place, a nice central location where you can find everything you need. But i can tell you this, there are only so many apps you need until you get to the point where you are just trying to justify spending $X on a phone. A friend of mine while justifying how great his mytouch (android) phone is shows me all these apps he has. one app is a barcode scanner, and one app is google goggles. with goggles, the use of the barcode scanner is lost on me. (i think HD2 can also do that though). why go through all the trouble of opening your camera, looking for the barcode sending the item over the internet and all that when you could either just search for the barcode numbers (which funny enough is usually under the barcode) or searching for the items.
granted there are some nice apps like the statefarm pocket agent app out there, and most reputable companies(like banks etc) prefer to release apps for the iphone/android (my bank allows nexus one and iphone users take pics of check and automatically deposits the money into your account) but lets face it, most apps that people will need on a daily basis are also on winmo. An app that is used once or twice a month, while nice to have doesnt seem like that much of a big deal. Its kinda like getting a standby physician. Plus after a quick skim through the top apps on the marketplace, you find that 9/10 of all these apps are games (go figure), and even though they might be nice for your when you have to wait in a line or something, wouldnt a much larger screen be nicer to watch part of your fave tv show instead?
the hd2 has quite a few flaws, but the they are being fixed. Even though app development for windows 6.5 might go down when winmo7 comes out. I still like the HD2. I do not even think i would be switching to winmo7 since if i wanted an iphone, i would go get an iphone, i am not on facebook, twitter or any other social networking site.
only real reason i switched from my att tilt (the first one) was because the screen was so small and it had started to fall apart.
winmo by default sucks ass, but has limitless potential, where else would you find sms spammers, or american idol spammers (lol)
I'm not knocking android either, it has its perks and it would be nice to see what android is like on the hd2, but it makes little sense getting a winmo phone when you already knew you wanted an android phone, and then cluttering the boards asking for android. my winmo phone does everything i need it to do, so i am happy with it, i see my stocks, have my navigation from igo, have my alarm clock, IM, and calendar. ITS JUST LIKE BUYING A LAMBORGHINI AND COMPLAINING IT IS NOT A FERRARI.
only real sore point i can see no way around is flash coming to android. would have been nice to have flash but i guess i just have to take what i get.
Guys wasnt the main reason we fell in love with winmo because of the limitless possibilities?

Could not agree more, and don't forget the selection of UI's available and
the ability to configure your phone as you like it to be. Less than a month ago,
after researching Android and with the option to upgrade to the HTC Incredible
on Verizon vs the T-Mobile HD2, choose the HD2 with no regrets.

I agree too
I am really tired of all the people going i ditch my android phone or iphone for this and blah blah blah it windows mobile people what dont you get you can actual do something with this phone i love windows mobile after the years i know i know how could of like windows mobile with this will sense UI did the work to make the HD2 the best phone i had so far. I had a iphone it was okay I spent so much time fixing it to how i like it and boy it was not that easy at times lol but after a while I got the hang and did it but the apps please I stop using it for a while i would play with it for like a week and then i go boring android another story i never had one but i played with it and i was like wtf is with this crap please i don't want a phone that is set to make it easy to use because i was use to setting things to too and i know if i had an android the first thing i would do is flash it just to get to flash it lol but let get to the point if you want a android then get a android stop complaining about the windows mobile. If you want a iphone then go for it but sop you complaining about windows mobile too lol. I love my HD2 because there is a lot of nice roms and many possibility. And I forgot to mention the huge screen lol

The hard thing is trying to make sense of why a winmo phone is not more like iPhone or Android.
Do I buy Microsoft's arguement that they write the OS, but do not control the hardware that a Mobile Operator and a device manufacturer (OEM) put it on, or do I believe that someone is chasing their own tail?
I have the Nexus One, the Cliq and the MyTouch 3g. All are nice phones that I was perfectly happy with. I also owned an earlier version of the iPhone...and yes...my opinions then...and now...it was awesome...even with any faults. Yet, when presented with the HD2, my Nexus One now sits dusty and on my table.
'Good Hardware' is the key here. WinMo on the PURE...sucks. it lasted 48 hrs in my house. The Hardware package around the HD2 makes WinMo work...better. XDA makes WinMo better. So what if they take parts from here...and there....and produce great stuff....shouldn't that be ok.
I think some body in Redmond is watching. Windows Phone 7 has the potential to be GREAT...and I want one. A winmo OS with Zune...and Zune marketplace...on a 1300+ ghz hardware device....makes my toes curl. I saw a couple of models on PDADB.net the other day. I think that Microsoft, controlling more of the hardware...is the right idea. people do NOT realize how much Microsoft Windows Mobile suffers from Mobile Operator spec and boreware ...until they get to XDA and REMOVE that stuff. Right now I have the EnergyRom on my HD2....If I show it to ANYONE....they are surprised but interested. This is the same for any other ROM I may run. EXCEPT...the stock TMO rom...WP7 is supposed to remove that option....
BUT.....but....a winmo based Marketplace...hmmmm....it would be nice. Don't ya think the Apple ads...."We got an app for that"....are cool? With my androids, I could find anything I wanted,....at that moment...for my Nexus One....at the airport....is the flight on time????? Marketplace...tap tap touch...no...flight is delayed by 20 minutes. Try doing that on Windows Marketplace....you can't. Where's the nearest seafood restaurant....on Android...tap tap touch...get directions.....try doing that on Windows Marketplace...you can't. Or, my favorite....touch button..speak...Starbucks near here...get directions. It's not how many apps you can have....its about getting the apps you may want...when you want them....
But Android (or apple) marketplace did not keep me from the HD2. 5 minutes after holding the phone...I knew I made the right choice...XDA proved that anything can be done with the phone. Now, my buddy with the iPhone....says ....Wow...I can't do that with my iPhone. I just tell him...maybe there's a app for that...
After all....Windows 7...was my idea....maybe they'll listen to me about Windows Phone 7 too....

+1 on all of you.
Explain that to most people is really hard. WinMo is Vast, limitless but at the same time also complicated. I can live with that, the OS is so Fun to tweak and tinker. My earlier desicion was HD2 or Milestone thanks god i choose HD2 otherwise i only had free apps to have fun with and then get bores while with HD2 you have tons of Custom ROM just for start.
I think WM7 is too limited and controlled in comparison to WM 6.x and try to be more like "the other -read Android/IPhone" Not sure if i will upgrade but only time will tell.
I dont want to talk about Iphone, it is just boring.

I dont regret buying the Hd2. Windows mobile is nice for customization.
I just get tired of the layer skinning. My biggest problem with windows mobile is how different the text messaging looks when you get away from the sense ui
I had a g1 and the screen is just to small for me. Love android but hate small screens

well most people want to get these phones and they want it to do everything there is in the world to do. well i say that ITS JUST A PHONE!!!!!!!! sure i have a htc hd2 don't get me wrong its amazing on what it does and what it can do but remember this that its a phone. people want phones to do everything like gps, bank stuff, music, youtube, facebook, and other stuff. I don't really care on what the phone can or can't do, its a phone and its screen is amazing for seeing vids and besides i want a phone for my entertainment, text, calls, and well since it has internet of course use it. Either way The htc hd2 is a multitasker if you ask me and it is one of the most impressive phones out there and thats why i LOVE it.

try me.. its the next best device regardless if its wm 6.5
very solid points addressed! I use Garmin mobile XT, with 2011 maps 3D moving maps that were released in late April. the maps and program take 2 gigs on my 16 gb sd card. It rarely uses data other than to locate gas prices and weather. POI and everything else is stored to the phone. It has the speech step by step direction. I find it to be annoying, and set it to silence. The radio is really powerful, the satellite are found in seconds... unlike my Tp2 that takes around 10 minutes locate.
cookie Ht has a huge advantage on Sense... why even give windows credit other than better, stable drivers and 6.5 start menu vs 6.0 list..... Sense 2.5 covers to whole interface of the hd2 and paints a beautiful device. i have greatly enhanced my skins on sence, keyboard and dialer.
people complain cuz its not intuitive first time out of the box like the iphone that has beautiful eyecandy UI and they feel good knowing a child could use it. nor do they want to spend a cent more for programs to do actually what they want. its a shame. i really dont think the camera should matter, since their not meant for profession use. just a quick snap shot of a memory, all these camera phones in the dark are terrible. im happy for once, these are equipped with a 3.5 jack for music. i could ask for more. but we know that some people cant to be pleased nor willing to make it better by talking to the community to give us what would be it better.... their lose... our treasure... worth more than in the weight of gold. hehe

ok i''ve owned the g1 and them mytouch 3g. ive rooted these phones n played with them to their extreme . now i own the hd2. trust me the Android operating system is very very good also windows os, but there is two things that will make the windows os outstanding over any os ...1 i think that wm have the most apps than any other os in Apple n what they should do is have a complete make over of the wm market n have every app there is n categorize them according to what os version you have....2 finishing touch to this is creating a new os system which its UI is modern n very attractive because to be honest it feels like im running windows 5 on laptop built in 2010...im not fund of Wphone 7 becauseuUI to me isnt that customizable but one thing i do love about it is the gaming. if this is implemented onnn the hd2 you will have close to perfect mobile os ever

I still have a lot to learn about operating my hd2 – but coming from a Palm (680 and Centro) I really am happy with this phone. I wanted to stop carrying around my media player (Archos 604), my thumb-drive, a small fm radio and wanted to have a gps, real internet access , and a phone that I could listen to books on through my Bluetooth while in boring meetings. I feel I have it all in the hd2.
I picked up one of the many iphone books the other day and went through it to see what I would use on the ipone and couldn’t find any, that I would want to do, that I don’t have on the HD2. I’m not knocking the ipone, everyone I know who has one loves it – I’m just not that into texting, games, fart apps, facebbok, twitter ,or any other social media.
It is aggravating though, to walk into Best Buy and see 50 docking stations, 100 cases/covers, etc. and nothing for the HD2.

if you really wanna see how android is gonna fare on the hd2, just check out your local sprint store and check out the htc sprint evo 4g.
that being said, i own both an hd2 and two android handsets that are rooted.
what i like most about win 6.5 is the ability to customize it as much as i can a rooted android phone i.e. overclock the cpu (i just found an app for it), custom theme, save apps to sd card, play flash videos etc etc.
however, i do feel that it is a bit outdated and is more complicated to use. takes a bit of a learning curve v. android os, which is more simple to use. i see tons of potential for windows mobile 6.5 but it's a damn shame that microsoft is moving on to a more closed platform with windows mobile 7.
long term, i will probably head back to android in that regard due to updates and that it just keeps getting better and better (upcoming froyo update and then the gingerbread update which will allow for the saving of apps to sd card, etc)
engineer14 said:
so i spent a long time trying to decide whether to go with an android phone or hd2
i searched high and wide all over the internet. the only android phone for gsm with a comparable screen is the samsung i9000 which looks like it would come out at about 700 bucks. either that or you take the nexus one/desire which is also in that same ballpark. after all that i went ahead and got the hd2, and i am glad i did. any hardware comparable phone to the hd2 (which there currently isnt because with 1gb rom and 576 mb of ram, beats any other phone)(US version)
After a close look at everything and playing with a friends droid incredible while comparing it to my hd2, the only big advantages i could see to get an android phone would either be the open market place, google maps, speech to text.
Resolution 1:
ok so you decide, hey let me dictate this msg. HERE IS AN IDEA, WHY NOT CALL THEM. (you might even get a chance to dictate it to someone listening).
the only place i can find real use for speech to text is while driving, and in that case, you technically shouldnt be using your phone PERIOD at that time.
Resolution 2:
people keep griping (pronounce gryping) about googlemaps, but as great as googlemaps is, what happens when you lose your bars or do not have a data plan? *gulp* you are screwed. do yourself a favor and get a non-internet reliant gps software (like actual gps devices use), and i also feel that bing does a good job of matching googlemaps.
Resolution 3:
THE MARKET PLACE. I do wish we had a market place, a nice central location where you can find everything you need. But i can tell you this, there are only so many apps you need until you get to the point where you are just trying to justify spending $X on a phone. A friend of mine while justifying how great his mytouch (android) phone is shows me all these apps he has. one app is a barcode scanner, and one app is google goggles. with goggles, the use of the barcode scanner is lost on me. (i think HD2 can also do that though). why go through all the trouble of opening your camera, looking for the barcode sending the item over the internet and all that when you could either just search for the barcode numbers (which funny enough is usually under the barcode) or searching for the items.
granted there are some nice apps like the statefarm pocket agent app out there, and most reputable companies(like banks etc) prefer to release apps for the iphone/android (my bank allows nexus one and iphone users take pics of check and automatically deposits the money into your account) but lets face it, most apps that people will need on a daily basis are also on winmo. An app that is used once or twice a month, while nice to have doesnt seem like that much of a big deal. Its kinda like getting a standby physician. Plus after a quick skim through the top apps on the marketplace, you find that 9/10 of all these apps are games (go figure), and even though they might be nice for your when you have to wait in a line or something, wouldnt a much larger screen be nicer to watch part of your fave tv show instead?
the hd2 has quite a few flaws, but the they are being fixed. Even though app development for windows 6.5 might go down when winmo7 comes out. I still like the HD2. I do not even think i would be switching to winmo7 since if i wanted an iphone, i would go get an iphone, i am not on facebook, twitter or any other social networking site.
only real reason i switched from my att tilt (the first one) was because the screen was so small and it had started to fall apart.
winmo by default sucks ass, but has limitless potential, where else would you find sms spammers, or american idol spammers (lol)
I'm not knocking android either, it has its perks and it would be nice to see what android is like on the hd2, but it makes little sense getting a winmo phone when you already knew you wanted an android phone, and then cluttering the boards asking for android. my winmo phone does everything i need it to do, so i am happy with it, i see my stocks, have my navigation from igo, have my alarm clock, IM, and calendar. ITS JUST LIKE BUYING A LAMBORGHINI AND COMPLAINING IT IS NOT A FERRARI.
only real sore point i can see no way around is flash coming to android. would have been nice to have flash but i guess i just have to take what i get.
Guys wasnt the main reason we fell in love with winmo because of the limitless possibilities?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse

Each to its own. Now we have HD2, iPod Touch, iPhone 3GS, and iPad. We also got an Android phone in the family. Instead of pitching them against one another, we make them complement and work together. For example, we have the only mobile data plan we need on my iPhone - beside all the goodies it can offer, we use it as a wifi router for all our mobile devices.
The main reasons I bought HD2 were its beautiful/huge screen, and the xda-developers forum. I don't intend to upgrade to WM7 even if it was available.

The same kind of people that complain about WinMo and think their iphone is so much better are the kind of closed minded people that cant think for themselves, try something new, and actually embrace and learn it.
The iphone/ipad are created for one thing mass consumer media consumption, and apple getting a cut of every itunes/app store purchase, with the iphone having a phone built in. It's definitely a very smart business for apple, but not one that I want to be part of, since im quite capable of figuring out how to get apps, and media on my WinMo device without the need of itunes or an app store
Im sure like many others here happy with their WinMo Phones, you have probably been using WinMo phones for a long time already, and some like myself have been using WinMo before it was ever on phones and just a PDA. I still have my 1st WinMo PDA, a toshiba e750, amazing for how old it is, the processor in it is almost as fast as most of last years WinMo phones. I used to BT tether the PDA to my cell phone to be able to do email and web browsing, then finally got a T-Mobile MDA shortly after it came out to merge the 2 devices into one, though at a performance hit, because of the lower processor speed.
These phones are quite literally like having a desktop PC in your pocket, with android also being similar experience from what i've read, though i've not actually owned an android device to play with
I've been fascinated by "palmtop" portable computing for quite awhile, with my 1st such device being an HP 200LX palmtop running DOS 5. I still have that palmtop sitting on my desk and it works still too! I always wanted to get one of the palmtop format windows mobile devices (windows ce), but couldn't justify the expense at the time having just graduated from HS and in college. I also remember the laptop format WinMo devices.
I also find it fascinating to find windows mobile/ce in devices that people would have never expected it in, nor complain about because they cant see the underlying OS. an example is the car stereo I have, a Roadmaster VR3 VRVD640G. There are hacks for it that somewhat let you get into the underlying OS.

I recently recieved my Hd2 and I love it. It is my first WinMo powered device. I owned a G1 (Dream) and while I really liked it and Android, I think that WinMo 6.5 is a much more customizeable and powerful OS. The level of complexity is alot higher, however. That is what I think turns people off of WinMo. I am enjoying the undertaking of learning this new (to me) OS.
Edit: I do think that in time, as it matures and with devices such as the N1 and the Desire, Android will be a quite powerful OS.

you know im so happy to see that their are others out there that see past winmo on the HD2 and are taking more consideration for the hardware specs...ive had the gsm htc hero,the nexus one,desire,Nokia n900 etc. and honestly, i was completely let down by all of those devices,but,thats just been my experience with them. even though the winmo isnt as snappy as android or the iphone..its still is kick ass phone...not downplay winmos but they are working on the kernals for linux and WM7 and considering most devices,we have one the better devices to date and iam very content with wm6.5 and 6.5.5

Well symbian and windows mobile had been the most hated OS in the US and maybe windows mobile been hated all over the world. I think its a nice OS but I think windows slept on the development, I think it became so critical how much they slept on the OS that alot of people here knows the in and out of the OS with out been hired or took any training about the OS which to me that amazing and probably never seen in any other OS in the world. not to mention HTC took sense and did their part as well but you never see windows team developing anything. I almost didnt buy the HD2 for the simple fact microsoft decided to develop KIN and windows 7 series instead of giving us a better support.

HEY I DISAGREE......... but i must say thank you for the info u gave me more info then any carrier could give the hd2 is a bigger & faster device but the differences u pulled the hd2 also hav hd2 has googlemaps it also has text to speech wat people people fail to see and realize is that the andoid market allows u to demo the product winmo doesnt which is suck and thats why u hav guys like me that searches the web for the product for free its out here it just cost but most of the apps that the andoid market hav winmo also has its just a matter of searching for it. my job on here is test multiple software to see if it can run and work together without issuse and or bugs and to run on the hd2 without error its crazy i go to a site find software and its free then find it at another site that charges for it .... now i dont think i can list the sites because of forum rules and regs but there out there waitin on u but u hav googlemaps with buzz also microsoft myphone and microsoft voice command

ryan562 said:
if you really wanna see how android is gonna fare on the hd2, just check out your local sprint store and check out the htc sprint evo 4g.
that being said, i own both an hd2 and two android handsets that are rooted.
what i like most about win 6.5 is the ability to customize it as much as i can a rooted android phone i.e. overclock the cpu (i just found an app for it), custom theme, save apps to sd card, play flash videos etc etc.
however, i do feel that it is a bit outdated and is more complicated to use. takes a bit of a learning curve v. android os, which is more simple to use. i see tons of potential for windows mobile 6.5 but it's a damn shame that microsoft is moving on to a more closed platform with windows mobile 7.
long term, i will probably head back to android in that regard due to updates and that it just keeps getting better and better (upcoming froyo update and then the gingerbread update which will allow for the saving of apps to sd card, etc)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
wait it out and u will be able to run both the drod and winmo on the hd2 without problems

ryan562 said:
however, i do feel that it is a bit outdated and is more complicated to use. takes a bit of a learning curve v. android os, which is more simple to use. i see tons of potential for windows mobile 6.5 but it's a damn shame that microsoft is moving on to a more closed platform with windows mobile 7.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I personally wonder if WinMo is as dead, atleast from a MS prospective as people are saying. Yes WinMo is used in many consumer phones which is what I see WinPhone7 replacing, but WinMo is used in MANY other places still.
Like my example of my car stereo in the post lastnight.
Symbol uses it in the "LRT" devices that many stores use for stock tracking. You see target employees carrying them all the time. hell APPLE stores used them with WinMo until they managed to hack a card reader onto their iphone.
The Symbol price check scanners you find at many retail stores are WinMo based. I've seen them crashed at walmart with the floating WinMo keyboard on top of their price check app.
I've seen symbol Pin entry/signature capture/card swipe terminals at stores like JC penny and the now defunct circuit city that i highly suspected to be running windows mobile due to the sound tones played while using the touch screen, they were the default for WinMo.
I highly suspect that Symbol is a huge WinMo customer of MS.
I've also recently been to the Seminole hard rock casino here in Tampa and noticed on some slot machines that the little screens just shows small ads had WinMo intenet explorer windows that had apparently got stuck while loading the next ad and you saw the default IE could not load page screen. I have no idea if the entire slot machine is WinMo based or just certain functions like that screen.
Yes i understand from a consumer prospective its pretty much dead because there will be no more releases for phones and app development is likely to die off as time goes on.
Also in alot of these cases it is more technically Windows CE, which windows mobile is a subset of, but its quite literally all the same code base, just a matter of what modules the OEM loads in their distribution
God knows how many other places it's running, you never know till you see one crashed or notice a few telltale signs. Some ATMs used to be Win98 based. Yes I quite literally saw an old style Win98 BSOD on one of my credit unions's ATM's years back. it was a Diebold machine. Would not surprise me if alot of them are WinMo or embedded XP now.

I'm just tired on fighting with the X2

I just tired on fighting with this piece of crap.
In fact, I just surrender and just leave all the Windows Mobile 6.5 platform behind.
The X2 is a marvell Hardware device, but it's Software support it's a shame. I even think that SE Android support will be the same: low quality updates, no information.
I swear i'll never buy or it recommend a Sony Ericsson product again.
On the other hand, the Windows Mobile platform is really outdated and unsupported. Low quality apps, even for Twitter and Facebook (Twikini is the best out there and really is a shame compared to the iPhone or BlackBerry), no more Skype. Do I really need to tell you the Internet browser experience? Windows Mobile has NO future at all.
When the iPhone appeared in 2007, it was a shame operating system, we all agree. But, in 2010, iOS 4 is from another planet. There's no more excuses. Everyone should see it.
I'm affraid that Windows Phone 7 will take a couple years just to catch the progress on the Apple iOS. It doesn't have Copy/Paste, no multitasking, so...
I'm selling this piece of crap X2 that never got to work at a basic quality level, I'm jumping for good of the Windows Mobile world and I'm buying an iPhone 4 in the coming days. No need to find stupid arguments in defense of WM, a piece of crap operating system in our days (2010, not 2000 or 2002).
Cheers and sorry for my english (of course! an Spanish X2 user that never got his desired MR2 GENERIC_ES Update: f**k Sony Ericsson.
Jolo.

Jolo_ said:
I just tired on fighting with this piece of crap.
In fact, I just surrender and just leave all the Windows Mobile 6.5 platform behind.
The X2 is a marvell Hardware device, but it's Software support it's a shame. I even think that SE Android support will be the same: low quality updates, no information.
I swear i'll never buy or it recommend a Sony Ericsson product again.
On the other hand, the Windows Mobile platform is really outdated and unsupported. Low quality apps, even for Twitter and Facebook (Twikini is the best out there and really is a shame compared to the iPhone or BlackBerry), no more Skype. Do I really need to tell you the Internet browser experience? Windows Mobile has NO future at all.
When the iPhone appeared in 2007, it was a shame operating system, we all agree. But, in 2010, iOS 4 is from another planet. There's no more excuses. Everyone should see it.
I'm affraid that Windows Phone 7 will take a couple years just to catch the progress on the Apple iOS. It doesn't have Copy/Paste, no multitasking, so...
I'm selling this piece of crap X2 that never got to work at a basic quality level, I'm jumping for good of the Windows Mobile world and I'm buying an iPhone 4 in the coming days. No need to find stupid arguments in defense of WM, a piece of crap operating system in our days (2010, not 2000 or 2002).
Cheers and sorry for my english (of course! an Spanish X2 user that never got his desired MR2 GENERIC_ES Update: f**k Sony Ericsson.
Jolo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Holy ****!
If you are on MR1 the experience is miserable indeed!
And WM 6.5.2 was bad.....
Pity because MR2 and WM 6.5.3 is a heaven tu use.
Much better interface in every area, modern and smooth.
X2 itself on MR2 is smooth too including great screen sensitivity.
There are issues of course but I would not like to have any other OS...
iPhone 4 may be great but it's limitations are too much for me. And it's boring.....
As for Windows future I think you may be wrong.
WP7 looks really promising.
Good luck anyway!!!!

doministry said:
Holy ****!
If you are on MR1 the experience is miserable indeed!
And WM 6.5.2 was bad.....
Pity because MR2 and WM 6.5.3 is a heaven tu use.
Much better interface in every area, modern and smooth.
X2 itself on MR2 is smooth too including great screen sensitivity.
There are issues of course but I would not like to have any other OS...
iPhone 4 may be great but it's limitations are too much for me. And it's boring.....
As for Windows future I think you may be wrong.
WP7 looks really promising.
Good luck anyway!!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm sorry, but I already using MR2 Spanish Vodafone, without personalization.
I just reset the phone at the end of the calibration screen, and I've installed all cabs from US MR2 ROM manually. The ROM is faster, ok, but stability problems remains.
And also, MR2 not resolve the primary problem with Windows Mobile: stupid old, pointless and bad mobile operating system. That's why I'm switching. I could buy an HD2 or other WinMo Device, but why?
There are issues of course but I would not like to have any other OS...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's the point. At this moment, iOS 4 DOESN'T HAVE problems. That's the very big difference.
Cheers.

Jolo_ said:
I just tired on fighting with this piece of crap.
In fact, I just surrender and just leave all the Windows Mobile 6.5 platform behind.
The X2 is a marvell Hardware device, but it's Software support it's a shame. I even think that SE Android support will be the same: low quality updates, no information.
I swear i'll never buy or it recommend a Sony Ericsson product again.
On the other hand, the Windows Mobile platform is really outdated and unsupported. Low quality apps, even for Twitter and Facebook (Twikini is the best out there and really is a shame compared to the iPhone or BlackBerry), no more Skype. Do I really need to tell you the Internet browser experience? Windows Mobile has NO future at all.
When the iPhone appeared in 2007, it was a shame operating system, we all agree. But, in 2010, iOS 4 is from another planet. There's no more excuses. Everyone should see it.
I'm affraid that Windows Phone 7 will take a couple years just to catch the progress on the Apple iOS. It doesn't have Copy/Paste, no multitasking, so...
I'm selling this piece of crap X2 that never got to work at a basic quality level, I'm jumping for good of the Windows Mobile world and I'm buying an iPhone 4 in the coming days. No need to find stupid arguments in defense of WM, a piece of crap operating system in our days (2010, not 2000 or 2002).
Cheers and sorry for my english (of course! an Spanish X2 user that never got his desired MR2 GENERIC_ES Update: f**k Sony Ericsson.
Jolo.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Jolo_ said:
I'm sorry, but I already using MR2 Spanish Vodafone, without personalization.
I just reset the phone at the end of the calibration screen, and I've installed all cabs from US MR2 ROM manually. The ROM is faster, ok, but stability problems remains.
And also, MR2 not resolve the primary problem with Windows Mobile: stupid old, pointless and bad mobile operating system. That's why I'm switching. I could buy an HD2 or other WinMo Device, but why?
That's the point. At this moment, iOS 4 DOESN'T HAVE problems. That's the very big difference.
Cheers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Sorry but I don't get "stupid, old, pointless OS".
For me WM is the most sensible OS.
Maybe you just don't like it? There's nothing like what you described in WM 6.5.3.
Besides some small issues with stability.
As for iOS 4 - you must be kidding.....

doministry said:
Sorry but I don't get "stupid, old, pointless OS".
For me WM is the most sensible OS.
Maybe you just don't like it? There's nothing like what you described in WM 6.5.3.
Besides some small issues with stability.
As for iOS 4 - you must be kidding.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why I'm kidding?
Well, this is just a debate, don't worry. I appreciate your help.

IMHO wm is the best os for mobile devices, it is flexible and it has sofisticate software. You have to approach like a computer, a PC, where hardware is different from software. Apple makes hw and sw, Blackberry makes hw and sw. Sonyericsson makes hw (the project?) and Microsoft makes the os. When Htc made HD2 (capacitive) or Diamond2 (resistive) or others, it used wm and made great devices. If x2 doesn't work the cause is se. I had a lot of wm devices but only x2 is such a disaster. I only hope for a good chef

Jolo_ said:
Why I'm kidding?
Well, this is just a debate, don't worry. I appreciate your help.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well I just don't believe in OS without trouble.
Personally iOS has things I just don't like at all
and it also has many kinds of issues, you can be sure of that.
But I basically wish you luck!

vitc said:
IMHO wm is the best os for mobile devices, it is flexible and it has sofisticate software. You have to approach like a computer, a PC, where hardware is different from software. Apple makes hw and sw, Blackberry makes hw and sw. Sonyericsson makes hw (the project?) and Microsoft makes the os. When Htc made HD2 (capacitive) or Diamond2 (resistive) or others, it used wm and made great devices. If x2 doesn't work the cause is se. I had a lot of wm devices but only x2 is such a disaster. I only hope for a good chef
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A phone is not a PC. You control a phone with your fingers and with your hands, and maybe with a small keyboard. But, pointers, stylus and other devices are outdated. The capacitive display are an very high innovation, and it will be present on every mobile device on the market.
That's why Windows Mobile fails, and that's why is discontinued and Windows Phone 7 was created. A 'front skin' update (like WM 6.5.3) isn't just good enough.
On other hand, WM6.5 could be a good operating system, but... there's no apps. All developers had go to other platforms. WM has no future.
You can see Skype dropping all support for WM. The only 'decent' app for Twitter, Twikini, had no see Updates since December... That's 7 months ago! The Facebook app has also outdated.
The only developer that has some interest on WM is the own Microsoft, updating Office Mobile to... a 'new' version that trully doesn't contain any new features. Even, the Windows Live suite for mobile is really outdated and always worked really bad. Instead, MS prefer to develop a new Windows Live official suite for the iPhone.
Windows Mobile has no future. It's the true, and all we must accept it. No more devices will appear with this OS. And now, we doesn't have a good number of applications. It's time to go.
Cheers.

Just thought I would drop by and say hello
Since my move to the X10, I am very happy indeed
They achieved root this week and this is going to open up a world of goodies
As far as IOS 4 is concerned, LOL! Don't be fooled by the Apple advertising campaign. Just google "iPhone security issues" and you will see what I mean. Besides, they just added features that should have been there in the first place! Nothing new, but they sure make the world think "Oh gosh! look at this shiny new phone! It's got all these cool new features!"
What a freaking joke!

mtechfan said:
Besides, they just added features that should have been there in the first place!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
But they have done it, finally. So, what are the complaints now?
A really honest question: What feature is missing on the iOS now that we REALLY use day by day?
You can say:
- There's no 3G Videocall... I don't have ANY contacts with a video phone, and even, the first ones sure will be iPhone 4 owners. And, by the time that videocall be a REALLY standard, it will be the APPLE Standard.
- There's no Bluetooth Send and Receive files... Why? We have Internet, Mail, and the last time that I sent a file via BT was 2 or 3 years ago. BT transfer is unreliable, slow and unnecessary.
- SD Card, why? There are a 16GB and a 32GB version iPhone 4. Probably it will be even a 64GB version on the future.
- Removable battery, why?
And that's it.
Really... There's no more excuses. A year or two ago it really was. But not today.
Even, Windows Phone 7 will appear with a lot of cons: No Copy/Paste, No multitasking... I insist: it will take a couple of years to catch iOS and even Android. And, of course, there's an App Market that it will no show really interest: Skype dropped support, Mozilla too.
And even, the most important and the most relative thing to this thread: Apple really CARES about the Software support on these products. Users of 2008 iPhone 3G can Upgrade to iOS4, a two years ago phone.
What happened to the Xperia X1?
What is happening to us? We can even use officialy the accelerometer on our phones.
Some we're complaining about even cannot upgrade to MR2 by a clean language-localized version.
Do you think that the iPhone cannot notify a received SMS? Please...
This war is over. There's a winner, iOS, and even contenders, but they're still fighting: Android, BlackBerry, even WP7 in the future.
Windows Mobile? nope. It's dead, really.
Cheers.

hahahaahhaha

Jolo_ said:
You can say:
- There's no 3G Videocall... I don't have ANY contacts with a video phone, and even, the first ones sure will be iPhone 4 owners. And, by the time that videocall be a REALLY standard, it will be the APPLE Standard.
- There's no Bluetooth Send and Receive files... Why? We have Internet, Mail, and the last time that I sent a file via BT was 2 or 3 years ago. BT transfer is unreliable, slow and unnecessary.
- SD Card, why? There are a 16GB and a 32GB version iPhone 4. Probably it will be even a 64GB version on the future.
- Removable battery, why?
Cheers.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hahaha!
These are quite essential things on my device.
You say a bit of a bull**** here mate, sorry.
Bluetooth? It's marvellous. Instead of stupid sending email (?!)
or beeing forced to use iTunes I send files Phone -> PC or PC -> Phone. The best way.
Somebody is NEXT TO ME - so why the **** I should send EMAIL when
I can immediately send whatever by BT?! Funny...
SD card - well, first I can transfer content to any device without PC or whatever. I can also extract all the files from it even if my device is broken!!
And use the card for multiple devices, man that's easy to understand.
Removable battery?! ****. So when my iPhone battery is broken
I have to SEND my personal device to the company and WAIT? A joke?
Also when it freezes completely - no way to turn it off...
I can replace it with new...
Buy your iPhone, probably WM is just not for you.
WM is still superior to any iCrap anyway.

I suggest you another key to read: Microsoft has won the battle with Apple in computer war for a reason that isn't "oh great!" but... cheap. Apple has success with smartphones for a reason that isn't "oh cool!" but... marketing. Iphone (a good device anyway) has caught the market of cellphones users, not professional user who prefers to sync outlook or use a portable word processor.
Smartphones ARE computers, little computers, if you don't understant this one it's difficolt to explain the rest. Mouse and pens are everything but outdated, I makes graphical works and it would be difficult to use... fingers to work (...waiting for the Iphone with physical keys )
Anyway, it's important you have found a device suitable for your needs, the perfect one doesn't exists.
Bye
P.S.: Apple was not born with Iphone, it is as old as Microsoft and they are old partners so don't think Windows is dying...

I guess its all just based on preferences
because in my opinion iphones are ****. hardware is outdated, UI is ugly, and phone is virtually locked (memory, kill switch). yeah it may have a Capacitive screen which supports multi-touch, but why? multi-touch only forces you to hold the device with two hands (ex. pinch zoom hold phone in one had use other hand to pinch) which i i would just prefer a double tap, plus the Capacitive screen requires you to use the fat part of your greasy finger (yes my hands get sweaty) where the resistive touch screen allows you to use both the fat part of your finger, or you fingernail/stylus for more accuracy. as for web browsers, according to some test i just ran (which included 8 browsers, safari, IE, skyfire, fennec, android 2.2 browser, uZard web p, opera mini 5, and opera mobile 10) safari tested almost as badly as IE and fennec (opera and android 2.2 browsers performed the best) and once more iphone will NEVER support flash, and they act like HTML5 is the future and is all you really need, but hell i still play farmvill, bloons tower defense, and watch youtube videos with skyfire with practicly no lag. Oh and the lack of hardware buttons on these modern phones... why?
moving on to windows mobile 7, looks very promising. app integration is well planned, the hardware on these phones will blow aways iphones, the panoramic UI is just damn sexy. trust me it'll be great, from what i saw (youtube videos) it will be an iphone killer
and as for your accelerometer issues you may want to check out this forum http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=681982 if you keep your phone, it fixes some of the bugs sorry for typing so much i have a lot to say. when ever i have an issue with winmo i find a fix, if something is wrong with the iphone they are stuck with it until the next update.

It may be just me, but I absolutely don't get this thread. Jolo_, if you've decided that you want to switch your mobile OS, fine, but why do you have to bother writing anything in here? You think you'll enlighten us by your opinion? There are many different ones and what makes you think yours is the best? Suit yourself and let everyone else suit themselves. Also, stick to the people that share your opinion, who we're obviously not. I believe there was much more than enough pointless arguing all over the Internet, it's time to let it go. Yet again, it might be just me...

totally agreed. sony [email protected] is a crap. sigh...

See what you want to see.
If it's not dead yet, Windows Mobile life ends in a three or four months, when WP7 arrives.
Then, all our crappy WM phones will became useless, pointless (no new applications, no new developers). And gets worse: impossible to re-sell because NOBODY will want a Windows Mobile phone.
Think about it: we even haven't HardSPL for the X2 yet. And of course, this is never going to happen because the X2 is so locked that anyone isn't really working on it.
It's now or never: get rid of this crap or you'll stay the same and you'll lose money.
Cheers!
P.D.: Last post, sorry.

Jolo_ said:
See what you want to see.
If it's not dead yet, Windows Mobile life ends in a three or four months, when WP7 arrives.
Then, all our crappy WM phones will became useless, pointless (no new applications, no new developers). And gets worse: impossible to re-sell because NOBODY will want a Windows Mobile phone.
Think about it: we even haven't HardSPL for the X2 yet. And of course, this is never going to happen because the X2 is so locked that anyone isn't really working on it.
It's now or never: get rid of this crap or you'll stay the same and you'll lose money.
Cheers!
P.D.: Last post, sorry.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Silly.
So you really mean people use only devices purchased yesterday?
Nonsense.
So your beloved iPhone: people use the first gen one till today.
So what will happen to X2 when WP7 arrives?
My phone will explode? Disappear?
It will be working as it is now. There's plenty of apps to choose from anyway.
I don't install new thing every day..

Jolo_ said:
See what you want to see.
If it's not dead yet, Windows Mobile life ends in a three or four months, when WP7 arrives.
Then, all our crappy WM phones will became useless, pointless (no new applications, no new developers). And gets worse: impossible to re-sell because NOBODY will want a Windows Mobile phone.
Think about it: we even haven't HardSPL for the X2 yet. And of course, this is never going to happen because the X2 is so locked that anyone isn't really working on it.
It's now or never: get rid of this crap or you'll stay the same and you'll lose money.
Cheers!
P.D.: Last post, sorry.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
*shrug* I'll buy it for $100, if you think it's impossible to resell.

everybody who reads this needs to first watch this video http://www.break.com/index/iphone-4-vs-htc-evo.html trust me it will make you laugh i guarantee it! and will hopefully settle some differences

Database Users

welcome