Hi. The X1 come with the QUALCOMM 7200 A CPU normally @528 Mhz. But i read somewhere that the X1 is underclocked @400 mhz for power save. Its ok if it return @528 mhz when we watch movie or listen music... But can we know if he really do that?
Tks.
foxvengeor said:
Hi. The X1 come with the QUALCOMM 7200 A CPU normally @528 Mhz. But i read somewhere that the X1 is underclocked @400 mhz for power save. Its ok if it return @528 mhz when we watch movie or listen music... But can we know if he really do that?
Tks.
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overclockin this processor is the the PRIMARY thing i wanna do to this phone....ANY way of doin that i'll try...
he is speaking about Underclocking not overclocking ... and why you wanna Overclock ... 528 is enough...!!!
No , i want to verify if the CPU is at 528 mhz or not.
I've see on another thread (the X1 performance thread) that the CPU is auto underclocked for save power...
foxvengeor said:
No , i want to verify if the CPU is at 528 mhz or not.
I've see on another thread (the X1 performance thread) that the CPU is auto underclocked for save power...
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well in that case.....i wouldnt mind havin it runnin at full
i heared about it somewere, i don't know if it's true or not, but even though, the device is generating much heat already when using wifi/gps while charging, maybe this will make it worse
my cpu monitor plugin on my today screen has never budged from 400mhz.
The plugin also has a temp reading and my xperia runs around 108F with the wifi running were it idles around 84F, 91F watching a properly converted movie (500kbps and 30fps for me) or music, and 95F when watching a movie that makes the Xperia work.
kdspiv said:
my cpu monitor plugin on my today screen has never budged from 400mhz.
The plugin also has a temp reading and my xperia runs around 108F with the wifi running were it idles around 84F, 91F watching a properly converted movie (500kbps and 30fps for me) or music, and 95F when watching a movie that makes the Xperia work.
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That sounds like a very handy plugin. Could you provide a link or attach it please?
I find that the back plate gets quite warm when it's on charge in the car holder and running TomTom. If I could measure how warm it's getting then I might feel okay about it.
sounds interesting aswell, the plugin.
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my cpu monitor plugin on my today screen has never budged from 400mhz. "
oO that's crap. Its a 528 mhz cpu and we can't have a real 528 mhz? 400 is less than the iphone...
Same here. My today plug-in says 400mhz and usually the temp is between 30 and 39 degrees (celsius).
The name of the app is "wk task". It's extremely handy with tons of options. It has system tray launching options. Shows cp speed and temp, ram etc.
P.S. Did i mention you can launch programs from the system tray??? Hehe
we have a "hot" phone lol
hot in price design and temp!
Yep. But why the X1 don't run at the normal 528 mhz frequency?
It run @400 . I think we can boost him @528mhz. @400 it's slower than the iphone . In idle use ok , for save the battery , but when we watch a movie , or surf with opera 528 mhz is better...
then go this web page, www.xda-hackers.com lol
I tried using Teksoft Speedbooster to make certain apps "high priority". First one was morphgear, thinking it might bring up the fps. I cant notice any diff :-/
So I would also like to overclock the cpu (if its possible)...itje's touch-it v4 beta 6 uses even less ram than before...fantastic rom...but yet morphgear is still not running perfectly.
I will try with core player and maybe opera
Try this
Please try to connect your X1 to power supply and check CPU speed. For my previous device connected power supply caused CPU works at maximum speed.
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So I would also like to overclock the cpu (if its possible).
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We don't need to overclock the CPU . It will be good if the CPU run at his normal speed also @528mhz and not 400 (under the frequency of the iphone)!!!.
Also , a overclock on this type of CPU may cause overheating issues. Only 528 mhz will be a great advance on performance.
I think that the X1's CPU is underclocked @400mhz... It's bad
Yeah, thats what I meant foxvengeor, but didnt make it very clear
I would also like to bring my x1 to the proper cpu speed, rather than what it is currently. Like somebody else said, I would take a hit on the battery standby time over performance (unless it ruins either my battery of my phone).
Wow seriously? I had never heard it was underclocked.. It is advertised as 528mhz isnt it?! I mean the battery life is great as is, but I would like to see how it does at 528.. The device info control panel does say 528 though.
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Same here. My today plug-in says 400mhz and usually the temp is between 30 and 39 degrees (celsius).
The name of the app is "wk task". It's extremely handy with tons of options. It has system tray launching options. Shows cp speed and temp, ram etc.
P.S. Did i mention you can launch programs from the system tray??? Hehe
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I dunno if I'm a bit slow or something but I just installed wk task and after aunching the taskbar from it, and looking through the settings for about half an hour, I couldn't for the life of my find anyhting to do with temperatures and/or ram/cpu or anything related.
It seems to do nothing more than work as a task manager/task bar/launcher.
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Questions:
1) How do you know if the Omnia Pro isn't also underclocked?
2) How come no one ever said that the Xperia X1 was underclocked?
3) How come there are no tweaks/ways to overclock/clock the Xperia X1?
[p.s. i have a larger battery I can withstand the strain of power usage]
4) Are there anyways to clock my CPU? Should I change my clockspeed on the X1 since I got a superb extended 3600 battery?
no offence mate, but aren't You spamming this boards a bit recently? it was mentioned dozen times before, that for now there is no method to overclock qualcomm cpus.
I once did a pretty thorough search of the registry and couldn't find anything relating to clock speed. Otherwise, Bronx is right. There are no programs you can buy etc to overclock. Some websites mistakenly list Xperia as compatible with overclocking software, but it's a mistake.
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no offence mate, but aren't You spamming this boards a bit recently? it was mentioned dozen times before, that for now there is no method to overclock qualcomm cpus.
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Yeah but I needed a definite answer to this question. I copied and paste it from my original thread. Obviously no one answered my question and it pissed me off. I want my Xperia to be fast as possible as I plan on keeping my Xperia until X3 or a better phone which based on my expectations and requirements will be a very long time.
have you tried the nueDynamicClock?
it can lower the clock speed to save battery life, my X1 can last up to 3days now.. (w/minimal wi-fi use)
it also have a MaxPerformanceprofile.. i haven't tested it yet..
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have you tried the nueDynamicClock?
it can lower the clock speed to save battery life, my X1 can last up to 3days now.. (w/minimal wi-fi use)
it also have a MaxPerformanceprofile.. i haven't tested it yet..
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I'm going to try it soon.
Since I have 3600 mAh battery, I don't mind using the full potentials of my CPU.
poetryrocksalot said:
Yeah but I needed a definite answer to this question. I copied and paste it from my original thread. Obviously no one answered my question and it pissed me off. I want my Xperia to be fast as possible as I plan on keeping my Xperia until X3 or a better phone which based on my expectations and requirements will be a very long time.
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IF you had an original thread you should just bump it btw you already told us you had a 3600 in the first post
For the Google Phones that have the same CPU like the X1 but run only with 400 MHz this is true.
So CPU Scaling/Increasing works.
Keywords for setting the cpu speed are "cpu scaling"
In Linux you need this comand here to get information about the cpu speed.
cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/*
A typical output is this here
800000
1600000
800000
1600000 800000
ondemand conservative performance
800000
powernow-k8
ondemand
1600000
800000
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As you can see on my Linux Laptop system i am able to run the Notebook with 800 MHz and 1600 Mhz. My Actual speed is 800 MHz and the extra boost of 1600 Mhz will be only enabled ondemand triggered by conservative usage.
We need the right cpu scaling module (see powernow-k8) in linux for setting the cpu clock in X1 the way that we like it. Thats all every other exist allready
"I'm going to try it soon.
Since I have 3600 mAh battery, I don't mind using the full potentials of my CPU."
mind you they don't just underclock cpus to save batt time also
if they don't have good enough cooling on the chip in which case
you can kill it
in which case the warrenty would be void
Rudegar said:
"I'm going to try it soon.
Since I have 3600 mAh battery, I don't mind using the full potentials of my CPU."
mind you they don't just underclock cpus to save batt time also
if they don't have good enough cooling on the chip in which case
you can kill it
in which case the warrenty would be void
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Then what is the point in having 528 MHz CPU?
poetryrocksalot said:
Then what is the point in having 528 MHz CPU?
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Marketing?
orelsi said:
Marketing?
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Yeah but it would only seem reasonable if they LIE that the processor is 528...
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Yeah but it would only seem reasonable if they LIE that the processor is 528...
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Marketing on the basis of creating false hope for clocking the CPU later?
Most likely an issue of heat and protecting the CPU over time. From what I understand, most phone CPUs of 500Mhz and over are underclocked.
The Palm Pre and iPhone cpu is underclocked to 600Mhz[1], the iPhone's 620Mhz was underclocked to somewhere over 400Mhz, even other HTC phones using the same Qualcomm 528Mhz as in the X1 are underclocked to 400Mhz.
[1] http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/gallery-deep-inside-the-iphone-3g-s/
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Most likely an issue of heat and protecting the CPU over time. From what I understand, most phone CPUs of 500Mhz and over are underclocked.
The Palm Pre and iPhone cpu is underclocked to 600Mhz[1], the iPhone's 620Mhz was underclocked to somewhere over 400Mhz, even other HTC phones using the same Qualcomm 528Mhz as in the X1 are underclocked to 400Mhz.
[1] http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/gallery-deep-inside-the-iphone-3g-s/
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Right, so does anyone have any idea why people are underclocking? Why not just have a ****ing a 400 MHz CPU on the X1 and be done with it? Why waste 100-200 MHz that won't even be used? Have I gone crazy are all these companies just plain retarded?
Calm down.
If a CPU is built to withstand a maximum of 528Mhz, then underclocking it will extend the CPU life and reduce heating. If you took a 400Mhz CPU and ran it at max all the time it would have a decreased life compared to a 528Mhz underclocked to 400Mhz.
http://www.wizcode.com/devblog/comments/pocket_hack_master_v5_work_in_progress_announced
hope dies last dont it
well... that doesn't mean anything. as usual, before it gets released most of us will be on new device.
my advice: enjoy xperia as it is. soon You'll have to jump on to something more powerful, because one day all phones will be smartphones. it is a one way ticket and tg 01 is a sign of things to come. I am hoping, that microsoft marketplace will encourage coders to make some wonder apps for future winmo devices.
if the higher Hz cpus were made to run with a bigger headsink or even active cooling it would be somewhat of a problem for the phone makers so underclocking it would make sense
do they're official marketing push the high hz or did it just appear as specs on an unofficial site?
one reason one may put in a cpu which is able to run faster then it does is that the cheapest cpu is the one most mass produced not the one which give the lowest spcs
supply and demand set prices not speed and performance
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Right, so does anyone have any idea why people are underclocking? Why not just have a ****ing a 400 MHz CPU on the X1 and be done with it? Why waste 100-200 MHz that won't even be used? Have I gone crazy are all these companies just plain retarded?
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As someone already said, because an underclocked CPU have an extended life and less heat compared with a CPU running always at full speed.
Take as an example laptop processors. You have 4 core but they do not always run at full speed. Why? because you have less heat, more battery life (if you have a 3600 battery, that doesn't mean everyone else have one...X1 is shipped with a 1500 battery pack), longer life.
Another answer is: because 400mhz cpu are not produced anymore or, if still in production, they cost a lot of money, compared with the mass production of new cpu. It is just economy of scale.
The real point is: can't they make a dinamic switching CPU, so that it will run 400mhz most of the time and 528mhz just when it is overloaded?
i was having a problem when playing hd games .... the device got very hot and the battery temp reaches about 45
finally i solved this problem using tegrak to set cpu speed to 200 min : 800 max
no heat any more
but i need to ask is it safe to change it in games only and return it normal (1200 mhz) all times and return it back to 800 when playing games ??
Shouldn't be a problem doing that, the game might Not be as smooth or whatever though. 45 is not too high by the way, it's just scary because you can actually feel the heat on this phone more than others...
666fff said:
Shouldn't be a problem doing that, the game might Not be as smooth or whatever though. 45 is not too high by the way, it's just scary because you can actually feel the heat on this phone more than others...
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but it is a great feelings that ur phone is still cool after one hour of playing
and the game still smooth as usual no any difference
and now i m running stability test it reached 46 minutes and nothing wrong
but my Q is if i returned it to normal after gaming and return it again to 800 when playing games is there any problem or what ..... i just notice very slight difference in loading but not in performing so i dont want this difference in loading i want to use the full power of the device without heat
Jeez pal, you underclocked the CPU because temp was 45°C! What was the problem if it were 50/52 or even 55°C? Playing game is a CPU intensive task, so the phone will be hot than any other things (benchmarking included) and that is very NORMAL.
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Jeez pal, you underclocked the CPU because temp was 45°C! What was the problem if it were 50/52 or even 55°C? Playing game is a CPU intensive task, so the phone will be hot than any other things (benchmarking included) and that is very NORMAL.
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i knwo it is normal but it is very annoying
the battery temp is 45 and may be more "48 or even 50 " and the processor temp is more for sure and the phone is very hot as it is very thin and i know it is normal but it is annoying to me and to others so i think this is a slotion for this problem
but my Q is if i returned it to normal after gaming and return it again to 800 when playing games is there any problem or what
xdafun4all said:
i was having a problem when playing hd games .... the device got very hot and the battery temp reaches about 45
finally i solved this problem using tegrak to set cpu speed to 200 min : 800 max
no heat any more
but i need to ask is it safe to change it in games only and return it normal (1200 mhz) all times and return it back to 800 when playing games ??
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i do exactly the same, no problems so far.
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i do exactly the same, no problems so far.
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thx bro but do u mean u underlock when playing and return it back when finished gaming ??? or underlock all the time
Only for 3d games
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Only for 3d games
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thxxxxxxxxxx
By the way guys if u have KH3 stock rom then u have the option to under clock ur device by default
Haha very nice & neat option to save battery life & cool down the handset.
It cap the cpu on 800 mhz, I addition to under clicking the gpu as well (which kernels don't do)
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drreality said:
By the way guys if u have KH3 stock rom then u have the option to under clock ur device by default
Haha very nice & neat option to save battery life & cool down the handset.
It cap the cpu on 800 mhz, I addition to under clicking the gpu as well (which kernels don't do)
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u do this all the time "800 mhz" or when gaming only ?? as i prefer to leave it 1200 mhz all the time and only while games and intensive use as gps underclock to 800 te decrease heat and battery use
but need 1200 mhz performance in normal processing to perform faster
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u do this all the time "800 mhz" or when gaming only ?? as i prefer to leave it 1200 mhz all the time and only while games and intensive use as gps underclock to 800 te decrease heat and battery use
but need 1200 mhz performance in normal processing to perform faster
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I only untick this box when I fancy:
1- rapidly discharging (battery calibration thing)
2- Showing off the amazing speed of this wonderful device
Otherwise 800 would do every other simple task like ( calling, email, games, browsing...etc)
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I only untick this box when I fancy:
1- rapidly discharging (battery calibration thing)
2- Showing off the amazing speed of this wonderful device
Otherwise 800 would do every other simple task like ( calling, email, games, browsing...etc)
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thats really great the phone now is fast and coool thats very fine and so now i can be satisfied perfectly with the phone
That option does halve the GPU/graphics frame rate from 60 to 30 though, which may not be what you want in a graphics based game.
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no harm in lowering the clock speed, the game just won't run as smoothly. the temps of this phone do feel alarmingly high due to the (lack of) thickness.
if it runs fine at 800mhz thats good. undervolt it too and enjoy gaming just that little bit longer
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That option does halve the GPU/graphics frame rate from 60 to 30 though, which may not be what you want in a graphics based game.
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thats not really
if u tried to put it on max 800 mhz and tried benchmark u will find that the frame rate that are shown on the corner of screen during benchmark test reaches 60 and more than 60 and the lowest number shown was 50 or 48 and the total score is about 2700
if u remember the galaxy 1 or hts dhd never reached this score only if overlocked and these devices was playing games well with single core processors 1 ghz
so a dual core with 800 mhz with a 4 cores in gpu ....... powerfull result
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thats not really
if u tried to put it on max 800 mhz and tried benchmark u will find that the frame rate that are shown on the corner of screen during benchmark test reach 60
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I am not talking about setCPU here, I am talking about that Samsung "System power save" mode that KH3 has as an option. It definitely halves the gpu rate.
Running quadrant with that option off sees 60 frames/sec, running it with that option enabled sees only 30 frames/sec and if you look at the help/tips for that option you can see what it does (well, they don't give much away about what it does mind u).
Geez....
I have a car that does 150MPH. Is it safe to do only 60MPH?
It does get less hot and uses less power.
DUH
The question is simple, the higer the freq. the more battery consumption? i am asking because i cannot see any difference from 1.4GHZ to 1.0GHZ, the battery consumption is the same under oxygen and francos kernels. i would be grateful if the experts would give us some advise or their opionion. I know it is subjective but i would like a second opinion.
Thanks alot guys
If you look with any cpu spy app, you cab see on what clock the processor is used. I mainly have it the lowest and sometimes higher. When you change the max, it should still automatically choose what clock is used, so battery should last as much as before, if not used in high clock.
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Invicta said:
The question is simple, the higer the freq. the more battery consumption? i am asking because i cannot see any difference from 1.4GHZ to 1.0GHZ, the battery consumption is the same under oxygen and francos kernels. i would be grateful if the experts would give us some advise or their opionion. I know it is subjective but i would like a second opinion.
Thanks alot guys
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Probably not much difference, when you overclock, think the cpu voltage remains the same as it is on 800mhz... And the highest cpu freq is rarely even at use...
Invicta said:
The question is simple, the higer the freq. the more battery consumption? i am asking because i cannot see any difference from 1.4GHZ to 1.0GHZ, the battery consumption is the same under oxygen and francos kernels. i would be grateful if the experts would give us some advise or their opionion. I know it is subjective but i would like a second opinion.
Thanks alot guys
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Well, thanks to most devoted users of U8800, we have somewhat better speed+battery life than stock also. To answer your question, yes depending on your activity the frequency have some impact, but overall shouldn't be huge in change, for example from .800 to 1.0GHz will not affect so much in daily use. However from .800 to 1.5GHz would make a somewhat huge gap difference. This doesn't mean it will drain faster if you do same activity as with .800 to 1.0GHz, for example check the watch, answer sms or few "entertainment" breaks. Only when using the phone over a longer period of time that's when you will notice the change of battery life with different frequency. Hope it clears up most hums and huhs for you. I am pretty sure some expert within this field will give a better explanation than me.
Bye~
higher freqs uses more energy, but lower uses less energy but do things slower (so energy consumption is longer). ALSO imo - if you set cpu to 1Ghz the lowest value so it always is 1ghz - it will not consume the same amount of energy if it's in idle mode - it's like your laptop - if cpu is working only in 4-7% of it's power - then the power consumption is lower no matter what freq - how do we know that? - because of heat - the more heat you get - the more energy was used. and when cpu is idle - it will not be hot.
So the answer is - if it saves then in VERY minimal amounts. But even so - i use min freq - 360mhz. it's good for me i do not get any lag so i use it.
I use the "Root System Tool Free", option CPU and I see the graphics of all clocks.
For ex. now at 245 mhz ->46%, at 368 ->10%, at 768 mhz ->18% .... and at 1612 mhz -> 1,8%, at 1804 mhz ->4,9%. Not very mutch use at 1804.
Oxygen-test-140911 + Franco.Kernel1709#1. Clock at 1804 Mhz by Menu-settings-cpu ... and smartassV2 (no profils).
The battery, I charge it all 24 hours. But I like my work... and testing things. When then will dead...I see...
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I use the "Root System Tool Free", option CPU and I see the graphics of all clocks.
For ex. now at 245 mhz ->46%, at 368 ->10%, at 768 mhz ->18% .... and at 1612 mhz -> 1,8%, at 1804 mhz ->4,9%. Not very mutch use at 1804.
Oxygen-test-140911 + Franco.Kernel1709#1. Clock at 1804 Mhz by Menu-settings-cpu ... and smartassV2 (no profils).
The battery, I charge it all 24 hours. But I like my work... and testing things. When then will dead...I see...
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cpu spy is more pretty, anyway all those apps just reads text file of cpu stat and that's it
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cpu spy is more pretty, anyway all those apps just reads text file of cpu stat and that's it
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Thanks
But I like more the Root System Tool, because has also a Linux Console. I use it when I want make some cmd's Linux in #. I don't like the Terminal Emulator.
Well, there is a "catch" somewhere in there. The frequency does indeed affects the power consumption of the CPU and greatly at that too! But the thing is, your CPU is not the worst enemy of your battery life. Even though CPU consumes more power in higher frequencies, it still can not compete with what your screen LEDs or your GSM module or your GPS chip consumes leisurely. So, if you're looking at the overall picture -meaning if you're wondering if it will affect how long you'll be able to use your battery in your phone- the answer is, "yes but not so much". Especially if you're switching the CPU frequency based on the demand (like using smartass or on-demand governors)
Here are the thing that sucks your batteries life juice like a vampire :
Your Screen (especially background LEDs)
GSM module (talking, using GPRS/Edge/3G network communication)
GPS chip
Wireless module (this also includes Bluetooth, even though it does not consume as much as Wireless network access but everything is relative -think about playing music through A2DP headphones compared to having your wireless network active but not using it much-)
(oh yes, I love to use lots of parenthesis -and even this hyphenation thingy- )
Correct me if I'm wrong about anything by the way ..
Regards ..
I did some experiments with a msm8250 a while back and there's a graph here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=14324649&postcount=3786
msm7x30 should be fairly similar though the graph is probably shallower since it's a smaller process size.
The CPU uses no power when it's not in use, even with the display on, the CPU is powered down completely when idle (power collapse).
I can set it as high as 1646. IV looked around and it seems that people use 1504. Is it unsafe to go any higher?
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1400 is safest I run Alexandra iii
if you go up to 1.6 GHZ, you might get SHUTDOWNS...
if you don't run any games, or apps, sure it will work. But not smart to overload it.
If on Custm ROM, Read DEV Notes, usually they'll say (or mention about Kernel changing)
as a rule I keep it on 1.5 Ghz (when 1.6 was max) (have tested on about 8-10 diff roms) (never have had any shutdowns yet)
*** also maybe use a meter app to check TEMPS (like battery TEMP)
Cool Tool - shows battery temp, RAM, Proc Freq, + more in little box on screen all the time (adjust settings)
https://market.android.com/details?id=ds.cpuoverlay
"setCPU for Root users" - underclock to lowest when off, set lower cpu freq if battery gets warmed to ur custom Degrees)
http://www.setcpu.com/
***Some custom ROM's have thier own Freq CONTROLER app (that could clash with prog or have 2 progs do the same thing)
Like humans NO TWO CPU's are equal
All of the above it true with one exception..NOT every cpu is created equal Not all ram chips and so on also live up to this..
Start over clocking your cpu slowly. as you push clocks higher of course lower voltage. This keeps heat down .
Two processors even made on the same casting can be totally different . Where one will take more heat with less errors and corruption and the die next to it will almost crash running its designed clock speeds . Being that extreme is very rare with a few exceptions. most are close as to a common ability. within a few 100 mhz.
So the answer is there is NO TRUE Answer. its trial and error but on the side of caution and testing clock speeds and heat is not a 30 second yes it runs. Do it over a week or so. I know with my dragon cup in cell phone its at its end of life from being over clocked for a few years. some last longer some die quicker.. Its kinda like drinking on your brain the more you drink the more cells you kill.. The hotter your cpu gets the more transistors fail the slower it becomes the more errors you have .
Relax .. go slow.do not expect to get what everyone else is claiming. and you will be fine..
Sorry again for long winded post..
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I can set it as high as 1646. IV looked around and it seems that people use 1504. Is it unsafe to go any higher?
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Any is unsafe. Higher speed equals heat and heat kills semiconductors. Might work for a while but why risk it
My daughters has been running at 1.6GHz for 2.5 months without any crashing or blowing up.
I say at 1.6, you're starting to enter the "red zone", sort of asking for problems. Why go up that high? I mean, 1.5 shows enough performance improvement over the 1GHz...
Hi guys,
I'm trying to understand how and how much thermal throttling influences my LG G2 performance while using games; to achieve this I need some app that can show me, in real time, osd on-screen-display while I'm playing, the usage of the 4 cores of the snapdragon800. I'm more interested in their frequencies than in load percentage.
I tried to search on the web, but I didn't find what I'm looking for, but, I saw a video (this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6Z6_nx1bUU ) in which there is exactly the app I'm searching for (the one on top left "multicore usage" ... I don't know if other boxes are from the same app).
Someone knows this app's name? or can recommend me an app with the same features?
Hey!
While I don't have the knowledge of an app that does exactly what you want, I've read countless times that the SD800 starts at max load and then throttles down as the CPU gets hotter. It would be interesting to see exactly HOW much it uses.
What I've done, though, is to start playing Asphalt 8 and having a CPU monitor from Android System Tuner on my home screen. I'd then play a bit, then quickly go home and open the CPU monitor. First 5 minutes it was at 2.26Ghz, then it throttled down to 1.95 Ghz and finally after about 10 minutes it throttled down to 1.72Ghz.
Now these times arent quite precise bit it should give you and idea of what to expect. I'm more than interested in hearing what kind of results you get, so go for it!
vPro97 said:
Hey!
While I don't have the knowledge of an app that does exactly what you want, I've read countless times that the SD800 starts at max load and then throttles down as the CPU gets hotter. It would be interesting to see exactly HOW much it uses.
What I've done, though, is to start playing Asphalt 8 and having a CPU monitor from Android System Tuner on my home screen. I'd then play a bit, then quickly go home and open the CPU monitor. First 5 minutes it was at 2.26Ghz, then it throttled down to 1.95 Ghz and finally after about 10 minutes it throttled down to 1.72Ghz.
Now these times arent quite precise bit it should give you and idea of what to expect. I'm more than interested in hearing what kind of results you get, so go for it!
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I'm doing a similiar thing with Trickster mod to see how much time is spent on every single frequency... but it's very difficult to understand something in this way. The only thing I can say is that my snapdragon800 throttles like hell....
In 30 minutes playing:
only few seconds at 2265, 1958 and 1728 MHz (the same for 960 and 1190 MHz... I think this 2 frequencies are unused in playing)
2 minutes maximum for 1574 and 1497 MHz
Most of the playing time is at 1036 MHz and 1267 MHz....
But, generally I can't say at what frequency Thermal throttling is influencing smoothness.... this is why I need some app like computer programs such as atitraytool or msi afterburner... this is the only way to understand precisely.
However, I discovered that the benchmark used in the video of the first post, is a "Qualcomm" tech demo with built-in osd... but I'm unable to find and download it
titomax82 said:
I'm doing a similiar thing with Trickster mod to see how much time is spent on every single frequency... but it's very difficult to understand something in this way. The only thing I can say is that my snapdragon800 throttles like hell....
In 30 minutes playing:
only few seconds at 2265, 1958 and 1728 MHz (the same for 960 and 1190 MHz... I think this 2 frequencies are unused in playing)
2 minutes maximum for 1574 and 1497 MHz
Most of the playing time is at 1036 MHz and 1267 MHz....
But, generally I can't say at what frequency Thermal throttling is influencing smoothness.... this is why I need some app like computer programs such as atitraytool or msi afterburner... this is the only way to understand precisely.
However, I discovered that the benchmark used in the video of the first post, is a "Qualcomm" tech demo with built-in osd... but I'm unable to find and download it
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What PVS bin is your SD800? You can check that in the hidden menu.
Keep in mind that there's another factor to determine the smoothness which you shouldn't forget - The frequency of the GPU. It might be interesting to monitor that too.
Hey for now you can try cool tool from play store which won't give multi core stats but it does display the constant change in frequency
Sent from my Potato powered G2 D800
vPro97 said:
What PVS bin is your SD800?
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What does this me? Please help me with more detailed instructions on how to see it
titomax82 said:
What does this me? Please help me with more detailed instructions on how to see it
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Well PVS is basically how "good" your chip is. It is a scale from 0-6 where 6 is the best and describes how many volts your chip needs to achieve maximum frequency.
You can check it by entering (on a D802)
3845#*802#
Then go into "Settings" AND "Version Info" - scroll down and see.
Naturally, the lower your PVS bin is, the more heat your phone will produce since it needs a higher voltage to acquire same frequency. This also means more throttling.
vPro97 said:
Well PVS is basically how "good" your chip is. It is a scale from 0-6 where 6 is the best and describes how many volts your chip needs to achieve maximum frequency.
You can check it by entering (on a D802)
3845#*802#
Then go into "Settings" AND "Version Info" - scroll down and see.
Naturally, the lower your PVS bin is, the more heat your phone will produce since it needs a higher voltage to acquire same frequency. This also means more throttling.
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It's 4
I think it's quite good (infact I have -50mv, that is 2 steps less with trickstermod, on every frequency)
However, I found "PerfMon" here in xda... that has a floating window that monitors every single core usage and frequency (just a pity it doesn't monitor temperature...)
Also I noticed that gpu stays at 320MHz max while it should be 450 (in trickstermod it's correct)
Performance "gpu" governor works (but kills battery staying always at 450 MHz)
Simple_OnDemand "gpu" governor gets phone into bootloop
cpu throttles at 75c first ti 1.9 ghz, as the phone heats up more it will drop to 1.7. Phone will shut of at 92c.
and yes i got to 92C turning off throttling on CM and running antutu, wouldn't advice it ^_^
Weird. I found my cpu being throttled down to 1.57 ghz @ 69 degrees. Mine is pvs bin2
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