what do you guys think about the wm6.5 will it do good?
i think it will be a flop like vista. the os must be fast and react good so far i have seen the wm is now the baddest os. the android seems better the iphone os is on of the fastest that i have seen. why dont they start over again make a new kernel?????
for example the xperia has a lot of ram and mhz but it still react slow sometimes i had a htc elf and that was almost even fast as the experia how come.
maybe they have fixt it in wm6.6 but in barcelona they wheren't impressed the new interface was slow and crashed sometimes (ok i know it is beta).
i would like to run android on xperia
ok so let me hear your opinions
and sorry for my bad english
it use the same ce core wm have been using since wm5 == CE5
so don't expect better response or performance
and since it's a ui makeover more likely the opposite
wm7 will use CE6 so that may be a diff story
this is unlike vista vs. windows7 as they use the same core which is newer then xp and 2000 used
ok so you say the diff between 6.1 and 6.5 won't be so much. did microsoft told about the changes and diff between them? i'm very curious about it only thing that i see is a little bit changes in the ui (and is still not great) but they didnt say anything about performence for example.
Rudegar said:
it use the same ce core wm have been using since wm5 == CE5
so don't expect better response or performance
and since it's a ui makeover more likely the opposite
wm7 will use CE6 so that may be a diff story
this is unlike vista vs. windows7 as they use the same core which is newer then xp and 2000 used
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You say this, but even using the same core Windows 7 and Windows Vista have significant performance differences.
It is still possible that employing a different UI implementation tactic this version of WinMo could be improved, performance wise.
alias_neo said:
You say this, but even using the same core Windows 7 and Windows Vista have significant performance differences.
It is still possible that employing a different UI implementation tactic this version of WinMo could be improved, performance wise.
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good windows mobile for me
8125 clanker running on wm6r5
I have an old 8125 clanker.
I upgraded from 6.1 to wm6r5 full final cooked by mfrazzz. It has limited memory resource (to start with: storage=25MB & Program=22MB).
I have it overclock to 240 MHz and using oxios hibernate.
I have installed other apps/plugins into a SD card.
I can run multiple apps that reduce the memory to 7-8 MB and find it very stable compared to when I was using 6.1. Of course, if I find my memory is to low then I will start to close other apps.
I am not sure how it relates to devices with 400 MHz with more memory. I could only guess that there might not be much improvement in performance, but for us with limited resource and slow processor I felt that there is beneficial improvement to move from 6.1 to 6.5
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You say this, but even using the same core Windows 7 and Windows Vista have significant performance differences.
It is still possible that employing a different UI implementation tactic this version of WinMo could be improved, performance wise.
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This is completely true. As many can attest, Windows 7's performance is much better than Vista. Likewise, I would imagine Windows Mobile has the same potential. Microsoft simply needs to tweak it for performance. The question is will they do it?
8525Smart said:
........ Microsoft simply needs to tweak it for performance. The question is will they do it?
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they have to! if they still want to sell wm... or else many phone manufacturers will use different os.
i found this on the blog of jkontherun
jkontherun
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Windows 95 makes it to Pocket PC (< that's a link)
I think all the veterans of ppc developing among you will know there is a way you can run a slow and buggy version of Win95/98 on your pocket pc.
i only discovered it just tonight and thought i should share it.
have a look at this if you're interested: http://www.pocketgamer.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6979
Interesting, wonder why no one reply to this thread.
meh, i launched win few times on faster, than lol OMAP cpu ppc... and have one thing to say:
do not do that on your crappy machines.
Maybe with 1ghz it could have "bit" of sense.
win 95/98 isnt slow and buggy, emulators are.
Topic. I'm hoping it can.
anyone can answer to that questions?
Our current Rom maker, Chandra Shekhar, has previously stated that it was a real mission just to squeeze WM6.1 in. I can vouch for that.
If you are wanting WM7 on your Himalaya, I think you should be prepared to lose some applications from the device IE a slightly thinned down version of WM7.
I personally think that would be the only way of being able to do it.
I also suspect that speed may become an issue in WM7. Our Himalaya's do indeed have a very fast processor for its day, but there are now 600mhz plus CPUs coming out, and don't even look at Intel's new Atom CPU (1.8ghz Dual Core CPU for mobile devices).
I think it will be possible. But whether it would be optimal to do so is a different story.
Drop mobile office for a start, I never use it anyway That'd save some space.
we dont know whether its stable or can be used until some master cook it and we try it
Our himalayas have actually very strong CPU's. Mine is constantly overclocked to 590Mhz. Speed won't be a problem, as many new devices sold today ( with WM6 ) have speed of a meere 200Mhz.
Have faith in your hima !
Why niki is slow?? This is my question... I have an older qtek 2020 and it's very faster than niki... why??
video drivers... install a rom with the s600 driver already on it, trust me, its wayyyy faster.
I recomend Mary v.02.
Yes I installed but it's not faster than a lot of other device uff.. It is very slow.,..
I can only compare it to my S110, its a little faster in certain things, but slower in games and emulation, not that much slower... just enought to be noticed.
yesterday I saw an iphone and it's very faster,..
Billokko said:
yesterday I saw an iphone and it's very faster,..
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Diferent hardware and OS, you really cant compare...
Iphone's cpu is almost twice as fast as the dual's one
And it has proper hardware accaleration;p
ok but in comparison to others devices niki is very slow...
In that we agree... My S100 from 2003 is much faster than this, but because it was that old it had a lot of other problems, the battery was starting to fail, a side button was broken and couldnt be easily fixed, some newer programs werent wm2003 compatible, etc...
Its sad that most new phones are so below the old ones, and the few that are better are unreasonably expensive.
I can still buy a brand new S110 for about 100/150€ with 416mhz, 128 of ram and 128 of rom, and thanks to wm2003 i can have a wooping free ram of 90mb (depending if its the s100 or s110) and the video card works fine, so everything is smooth.
The design, sound and camera of the dual are obviously superior, plus it can have 3g internet, but it costs 4 times more than the S110.
Just sad...
soulcrusher said:
Iphone's cpu is almost twice as fast as the dual's one
And it has proper hardware accaleration;p
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Almost twice as fast, you mean 600mHz versus 400mHz ....
The Niki has proper hardware acceleration, its just the muppets at HTC that haven't bothered to use it in any way, shape or form.
Tought iphone was about 750 mhz
Anyways, a Niki doesnt have drivers wich we all know, but compare ANY wm5 or wm6 mobile to a wm2003 or even older(!) device, and the older one outperforms the newer one. WM2003 devices use sdram, and newer ones mostly flash memory, wich is way slower (because a wm2003 device couldnt be turned of because of the ram memory that loses it's storage). So every program that writes or reads often from the memory is considerable slower on wm6 than on wm2003. But if you compare a wizard to a nike, the nike's way faster because of it's cpu.
Hello Devs!
It is possible and if, how long we must wait for a porting TG01 Interface for X1?
With best reguards
its barley running fast enough on a device that is more than double the speed of our 400mhz cpu on the x1
even if some one ends up porting it ( i give it 2 weeks untill someone posts it in the dev and hacking forum), i dont think enough people will use it considering how it did in the reviews
the omnia2/pro interface is more useful and everything in windows interface is re-skinned and finger friendly. too bad its not as cool looking as tf3d
With that slow ass processor? Not a chance...
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its barley running fast enough on a device that is more than double the speed of our 400mhz cpu on the x1
even if some one ends up porting it ( i give it 2 weeks untill someone posts it in the dev and hacking forum), i dont think enough people will use it considering how it did in the reviews
the omnia2/pro interface is more useful and everything in windows interface is re-skinned and finger friendly. too bad its not as cool looking as tf3d
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I thought the X1 has a 528 MHz CPU
poetryrocksalot said:
I thought the X1 has a 528 MHz CPU
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it does but is underclocked i think to 400mhz
man you have to check this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=536178
tg01 has monster cpu and gpu ,i benchmarked the device and i dont see any chance for the interface to come to xperia (propably it use gles 2.0,its not supported by xperia).
cheers.
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it does but is underclocked i think to 400mhz
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I don't think that it's underclocked...nobody has ever said that it was underclocked.....so why are we finally saying this now?
And how do we make the make the CPU 500 MHz?
poetryrocksalot said:
I don't think that it's underclocked...nobody has ever said that it was underclocked.....so why are we finally saying this now?
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i compared to touch diamond 2 which almost have the exact same specs and the 528mhz and everything is noticeably smoother and faster. the game Xtrat is so much smoother and does not suffer from jerkiness when the screen is full of things. the Core Player benchmark is constantly %18-%20 faster on the td2 while testing the same thing
i tried to overclock it but got nothing
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i compared to touch diamond 2 which almost have the exact same specs and the 528mhz and everything is noticeably smoother and faster. the game Xtrat is so much smoother and does not suffer from jerkiness when the screen is full of things. the Core Player benchmark is constantly %18-%20 faster on the td2 while testing the same thing
i tried to overclock it but got nothing
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would be nice to get it running at full speed, i use spb ms 3.1 on standard r2 rom and dont have any complaints, but if your gonna run emulators etc.... and tf3d on your x1 it's a shame because it can be so damn slow at times.
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i compared to touch diamond 2 which almost have the exact same specs and the 528mhz and everything is noticeably smoother and faster. the game Xtrat is so much smoother and does not suffer from jerkiness when the screen is full of things. the Core Player benchmark is constantly %18-%20 faster on the td2 while testing the same thing
i tried to overclock it but got nothing
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i think this is more about htc optimizing there handsets and having better drivers. i think SE did not look into this as it was there first handset and htc used it to there advantage (instead of informing SE that the hardware could be better used).
Would that even be possible with a mod/cab? its silly to have a GPU which is not bad (its drivers are horrible though-thank god for xda devs for 3rd party ones) and running sense and the whole graphical menu from CPU and not render them from GPU..just look how much smoother are the phones that do (iphone, bb , droid )..if it is possible , could it be cooked into roms? because that would be so, oh so great..
Hmm..Quite a few views , yet no replies...Anyone here care to share their POV ?
I wasnt aware that the GUI is rendered by the phone CPU rather than GPU. But then again, does this phone have a dedicated GPU?
the gpu is part of the cpu, no? i thought it was all on one chip.
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the gpu is part of the cpu, no? i thought it was all on one chip.
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True that...Yet i have read that winmo do not use the GPU acceleration to run/render the menu(e.t.c) graphics..this is my source (where i have read this)
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http://www.techautos.com/2010/03/14/smartphone-processor-guide/
Why is the GPU relevant if I’m not playing games on my phone?
On most modern smartphone platforms (iPhone OS, Android, Palm WebOS, with Windows Mobile as a notable exception), the OS’ user interface itself is composited, meaning it is rendered by the GPU. This makes the interface feel a lot smoother than doing UI display calculations on the already resource-constrained CPU.
On the desktop, Mac OS X introduced many consumers to a GPU-composited desktop, and on the PC side, Windows Vista/7’s Aero interface provides similar functionality. Windows XP, even on a very fast desktop rig, generally never feels quite as smooth while, say, moving around windows, as Windows 7 or Vista running Aero. For the same reason, Windows Mobile 6.x, which uses a similar rendering mode (GDI) as XP and lacks a GPU-composited desktop, is going to feel laggy or rough compared to GPU-composited UIs.
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Could there possibly be a tweak for this?or it is managed deeply into the os core , so it cannot be touched?
I'd be very suprised if it were possible to change the way the software works on such a fundamental level. At a guess, it would mean a rewrite of the OS so that anything sat on top of it automatically used the GPU when rendering for the screen. This is obviously not something that would ever happen.
That's just my understanding of the subject though, and I could be mistaken.
Heh..I know i am noob when it comes to winmo os utilization its no secret..I just thought it would be like a registry tweak to change the part used to process the image output ;p oh well..we never stop learning (and obviously have to begin from somewhere)
I actually thought Sense was already rendered by the GPU? According to the new Chainfire 3D driver - Sense is detected as being accelerated by the driver so must be using the GPU..
The snapdrgon gpu is the AMD Z430 no ?
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I actually thought Sense was already rendered by the GPU? According to the new Chainfire 3D driver - Sense is detected as being accelerated by the driver so must be using the GPU..
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sense is..and that is because it is created by htc , not microsoft (what a surprise lol ;p )you sir are correct..