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HTC Omni, the successor of Universal !

Paul on MoDaCo brings the first info abou the successor of HTC Universal - the HTC Omni !
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I'm think support of HSDPA too, but the Samsung processor (same as in TyTN) is too slow for the best PPC Phone ed. device :-(

Sounds good, can't find a single picture yet though, how annoying!!
My O2 contract renewal is in a month, do I delay upgrading and wait for this, or will it not be out *that* soon?

So reading this it sounds like it will be to the Exec as the 2i was to the 2, or am I wrong?
Will it actually be VGA or will we need to hack it again :-(
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jerrry said:
the Samsung processor (same as in TyTN) is too slow for the best PPC Phone ed. device :-(
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WRONG!!! Samsung processors yield 30% more performance than Intel. That means, if there is a 300 MHz Samsung, it's every bit as fast as a 390 MHz Intel. 400MHz Samsung = 520MHz Intel. Also it drains less power.

jerrry said:
I'm think the external displej is really good idea
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You must've mis-read. It says an external screen ISN'T included

GaZ said:
jerrry said:
I'm think the external displej is really good idea
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You must've mis-read. It says an external screen ISN'T included
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oh sorrry, Yes I'v missed this

Now if it has a 533(+) MHz Samsung S3C2440, GSM-Quad-Band, Bluetooth 2.0, HSDPA, some sort of 3D-accelerator (like the nVidia GoForce) and built-in GPS I will be very happy - and maybe throw in an 1" hard-disk-drive (Seagate has one offering 12 GB now, after all, Windows CE 5.0 supports it, right?) while you're at it.
OK, one can dream, but I have been waiting for such a device for years now - and of course this info just HAD to come in as I was ready to finally get a Universal for a whopping <50 EUR from my provider - but then, I'd be stuck with it for two years, while everybody else gets to play with the (superior?) Omni. They better come out with substantial info on this device soon, before my provider drops the Universal from their portfolio for good.

As long as it's quadband and VGA I'll buy it in a heartbeat... I will never give up the VGA screen on my universal - I use it almost daily for remote management of the servers I manage and I need that VGA screen, but I use Cingular here in the US and the lack of an 850MHz band is a serious annoyance. I can't wait until any quadband VGA device is out... hopefully with EDGE support as well. I'll be keeping my eye on this Omni.
Brett

Anyone get hold of any pictures of this wonder device yet?

Why dont they ever listen ???????????? " Popular demand" says an external screen is a necessity not a luxury. Now even though the design is said to be "fluid" after waiting so long an external Lcd wouldnt be asking too much OR perhaps more $$$£££ in the form of Universal 3 is the cause! :?

BrettS said:
As long as it's quadband and VGA I'll buy it in a heartbeat... I will never give up the VGA screen on my universal - I use it almost daily for remote management of the servers I manage and I need that VGA screen, but I use Cingular here in the US and the lack of an 850MHz band is a serious annoyance. I can't wait until any quadband VGA device is out... hopefully with EDGE support as well. I'll be keeping my eye on this Omni.
Brett
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sorry Brotha, I dropped them for a very similar reason. I actually think that cingular is predominantly 850mhz, but the universal doesn't support 850, it supports, 900, 1800, 1900, and 2100 mhz. I switched to tmobile, who happens to have GREAT 1900 mhz coverage mostly everywhere. As long as you don't live off on a farm somewhere or in a real rural area, tmo should have 1900 coverage in the area. Now with T, I get 3 - 4 bars everywhere I go, with a solid 4 bars here at home. The only other consideration is that US UMTS coverage cannot be 2100mhz atm because the military uses that frequency for its satellites. So you're stuck with GPRS speeds or battery consuming wifi. For a while I just paired and DUN'ed the Exec with my Fathers sprint Apache.

X1i vs X1a (need advice stat)

Ok, so the x1a got recalled and the x1i is being soled by addictedtophones.com. They currently have them in stock and have the black. Well I called them and the guy said that the x1i works with the 3g just as well as the x1a. If this is true than why would anyone want the x1a over the x1i due to the better video quality?
This website also comes with a 4gb memory card and a purchasable 1 or 2 year warranty. So, the question is, should I wait or purchase this phone, especially since I can get it now and with better stuff? What are the pros and cons?

clburns1 said:
Ok, so the x1a got recalled and the x1i is being soled by addictedtophones.com. They currently have them in stock and have the black. Well I called them and the guy said that the x1i works with the 3g just as well as the x1a. If this is true than why would anyone want the x1a over the x1i due to the better video quality?
This website also comes with a 4gb memory card and a purchasable 1 or 2 year warranty. So, the question is, should I wait or purchase this phone, especially since I can get it now and with better stuff? What are the pros and cons?
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Because if u are in an area with 850 and no 1900 u wouldnt get 3g. But for people like me in the city the X1i is a must without a doubt. Im on 1900 and get atleast 2 bars with HSDPA everywhere i go except into deep parts of buildings where I tend to use wifi or actual computers.

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Ok, so the x1a got recalled
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X1a recalled my a$$! that is just some BS excuses!
maybe it's like Wii or WiiFit, cant make them fast enough?
i ordered my X1a from sonystyle.com, and i already got my X1a !
isnt it required by law to notifies all X1a owners if there is a recall?
i ordered from sonystyle.com, so they got my email. so where is my recall email??

BuddyLee said:
Because if u are in an area with 850 and no 1900 u wouldnt get 3g. But for people like me in the city the X1i is a must without a doubt. Im on 1900 and get atleast 2 bars with HSDPA everywhere i go except into deep parts of buildings where I tend to use wifi or actual computers.
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Ok, lets say half of the time I live in a big city (Birmingham, AL) where there is 3g (at 5bars) and the other half I live in a very rural area where it runs off of the edge network and you might get 3 bars and there is no chance possible of getting 3g. Will the phone still work and receive internet as well as my at&t tilt? This is the determining factor of which one I get... thanks for your response so far!
I found this: http://www.wireless.att.com/download/GPRS_coverage_leg.pdf which like I said half of the time I live in birmingham and the other half I live in a place in the middle of birmingham and atlanta. So would the x1i be good idea or a horrible idea. Sorry I don't exactly understand all of this.
And would sony cover the same warranty on the x1i as they would the x1a in the US?

netnerd said:
X1a recalled my a$$! that is just some BS excuses!
maybe it's like Wii or WiiFit, cant make them fast enough?
i ordered my X1a from sonystyle.com, and i already got my X1a !
isnt it required by law to notifies all X1a owners if there is a recall?
i ordered from sonystyle.com, so they got my email. so where is my recall email??
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It was only the x1a black that got recalled due to a crack in the screen i believe. Not 100% sure on that. But, seeing as you have the x1a silver, your's is perfectly fine to my knowledge.

Att 3g runs on either 850 or 1900 spectrum. First you have to identify which spectrum you have running in your area ... I am assuming that you got 850 but I may be wrong double check it) Ok so if you have 1900 spectrum with the 3g in the area then u get 3g with the X1i. If you have 850 spectrum with att 3g in your area you will only get edge speeds. If at home you only get edge, then ... actually im a bit tired its sunday evening ... ill simplify this so i wouldnt confuse myself
1. Birmingham, AL check the map to see if its the 1900 spectrum running if yes then u get 3g on the xperia.
2 Birmingham, AL only 850 spectrum you only get edge on xperia
3. Will the phone work and receive internet as your tilt ... yes only on edge depending on if you are using it at home. But if you are in the 3g area of Birmingham, AL and 1900 spectrum is running then u get 3g.
Mind you remember this ... att 3g runs on either 1900 or 850. The X1i only has 1900 so if you are in an area that has 1900, you are good to go. If you are in an area that only has 850 then u only get edge. But either way you will still get voice and internet no matter where you go and att has service there. 3g only comes into play where has the 1900 rollout. eg where i live in nyc we have both 1900 and 850, so maybe you have both in your area but check the map and see. I am too tired to do it.

Ok i was looking at the map, i see red in parts of alabama, red is good ... too tired to look for birmingham, but understand this, 3g for the x1i only runs on 1900 in the us. If you arent in that area you get edge speeds right across the board and everything else works normally.

BuddyLee said:
Att 3g runs on either 850 or 1900 spectrum. First you have to identify which spectrum you have running in your area ... I am assuming that you got 850 but I may be wrong double check it) Ok so if you have 1900 spectrum with the 3g in the area then u get 3g with the X1i. If you have 850 spectrum with att 3g in your area you will only get edge speeds. If at home you only get edge, then ... actually im a bit tired its sunday evening ... ill simplify this so i wouldnt confuse myself
1. Birmingham, AL check the map to see if its the 1900 spectrum running if yes then u get 3g on the xperia.
2 Birmingham, AL only 850 spectrum you only get edge on xperia
3. Will the phone work and receive internet as your tilt ... yes only on edge depending on if you are using it at home. But if you are in the 3g area of Birmingham, AL and 1900 spectrum is running then u get 3g.
Mind you remember this ... att 3g runs on either 1900 or 850. The X1i only has 1900 so if you are in an area that has 1900, you are good to go. If you are in an area that only has 850 then u only get edge. But either way you will still get voice and internet no matter where you go and att has service there. 3g only comes into play where has the 1900 rollout. eg where i live in nyc we have both 1900 and 850, so maybe you have both in your area but check the map and see. I am too tired to do it.
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You are awesome and I love you! Haha, no but seriously thank you so much! I believe that I might as well get the x1i from what I've heard.
Really there is only 2 questions left.
1. Will Sony honor the support/warranty as well as the x1a vs the x1i in the US?
2. Is there any difference in speeds with the x1a vs x1i on 3g if both of them are accessing the 1900?
Please do not feel obligated to answer these tonight. Go get some rest and thankyou so much for all of your help!

clburns1 said:
You are awesome and I love you! Haha, no but seriously thank you so much! I believe that I might as well get the x1i from what I've heard.
Really there is only 2 questions left.
1. Will Sony honor the support/warranty as well as the x1a vs the x1i in the US?
2. Is there any difference in speeds with the x1a vs x1i on 3g if both of them are accessing the 1900?
Please do not feel obligated to answer these tonight. Go get some rest and thankyou so much for all of your help!
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The warranty part I dont know, but the speeds are the same.

X1a vs X1i
I live in a "fringe" area outside of Atlanta. I had both phones and he X1a held 3G 95% of the time and the X1i was maybe 40%. I didn't take the phones into the city for better coverage testing as I work from home and needed the 3g where I am the most. If you are in a coverage area where 1900 is strong, jump on it ( x1i) Great phone, I am one of the few it seems like to have a perfernce of silver over black on this one......

clburns1 said:
It was only the x1a black that got recalled due to a crack in the screen i believe. Not 100% sure on that. But, seeing as you have the x1a silver, your's is perfectly fine to my knowledge.
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the x1a in black was never released in the u.s so it has never been recalled. the silver version is the one that has been recalled.

RAP5 said:
I live in a "fringe" area outside of Atlanta. I had both phones and he X1a held 3G 95% of the time and the X1i was maybe 40%. I didn't take the phones into the city for better coverage testing as I work from home and needed the 3g where I am the most. If you are in a coverage area where 1900 is strong, jump on it ( x1i) Great phone, I am one of the few it seems like to have a perfernce of silver over black on this one......
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Wow, that just told me a lot and I think this new information is my complete deciding factor. I wan't 3g to work in the most possible places, even if I go to Atlanta once every two years even, I want to know that it will work there, better than 45%. Thanks I really appreciate your comment!!!

lildogg said:
the x1a in black was never released in the u.s so it has never been recalled. the silver version is the one that has been recalled.
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Than why did Sony tell me the black was recalled and no one I've talked to have received the e-mail saying that the silver was? That's why Sony said yesterday that BestBuy still has not gotten it yet due to software issues. And your wrong about it being released in the united states, it was to the bestbuy shipping department, they just had never put it online until the release date of december 7th, until it was recalled and they had to ship it back. It was released in the United States but just not to the public. Or at least all of this is what I have been told.

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Than why did Sony tell me the black was recalled and no one I've talked to have received the e-mail saying that the silver was? That's why Sony said yesterday that BestBuy still has not gotten it yet due to software issues. And your wrong about it being released in the united states, it was to the bestbuy shipping department, they just had never put it online until the release date of december 7th, until it was recalled and they had to ship it back. It was released in the United States but just not to the public. Or at least all of this is what I have been told.
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you need to check your information again. the silver one has been recalled and there is no way you can get the silver x1a right now. and saying that the black one was released in the united states, just not to the public is wrong because if it was not released to the public then how can you even call it a release? plz check your information before posting stuff.

lildogg said:
you need to check your information again. the silver one has been recalled and there is no way you can get the silver x1a right now.
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and maybe u need to check your info also!
what makes u think it' a recall and not just SOLD OUT?
is Wii or Wii Fit a recall also? cus Wii or Wii Fit is hard to get too!

Read here:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1465853
US one was recalled for firmware issues.

SCtud said:
Read here:
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1465853
US one was recalled for firmware issues.
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funny, all those people already have X1a in their hand got no problems or issues. only those not released got issues! haha
"Temporarily out of stock. Estimated ship date: 01/12/2009" http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665702060

I agree - it's a questionable recall, and if so, why was the x1i not recalled?
I am giving up on the US version and bought the x1i (for the second time). No black version on the x1a anywhere it seems.

SCtud said:
, why was the x1i not recalled?
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x1i and x1a are different only for phone part an some little details about inferfacing chipset->radio. So the mess should be there

guap said:
x1i and x1a are different only for phone part an some little details about inferfacing chipset->radio. So the mess should be there
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if it' really a recall and not some BS excuess. how come all those X1a owners got no recall email from sonystyle.com?

Telstra 850 version working in USA on 3G

Hi
I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
see this: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=NPV2LJDG

This is awesome news...please keep us updated and also tell us where you got it from?
Thanks.
bjrmd said:
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I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
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WOW, thats compared to my E connection in Chicago that tested at 150K and WIFI at 1100K.

Ouch, I might shed a tear. I'm definitally jelous of 3g in US. Stuck on roughly 230kbps on E with tmobile. Though paying $10 for unlimited data and 200 msgs is nice compared to the move to At&t. Im =( nonetheless, but congrats to you

BTW, anyone know if its a change in hardware or software (like in diamond) that adds the frequency?

bjrmd said:
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I stuck my neck out and purchased a Touch HD telstra version from a company in australia. It just came in today and it appears to be working well on the 3G band of ATT. I have the H in the signal bar and DSL report speed test 934 kbs. More to follow.
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Just done the same thing here. Great to hear that you are having success!! thanks for letting us know.
Have you put a new ROM on the thing yet Dutty or something else?
Is the telstra customisation as bad as we have been hearing?
Cheers,

Awesome, please let us know where you got it from. Also, if you don't mind, how much was it with shipping and how long did it take to get.

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Awesome, please let us know where you got it from. Also, if you don't mind, how much was it with shipping and how long did it take to get.
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You have been quicker than me, I was writing the exact same questions
But yes guys, I really want to know in what store you found it.
Thanks !

Ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=ADME:B:EOIBSAA:US:11&Item=280315368392
Took 4 days, should have been 3 but customs held it up--needed a form filled out that I was using it for "testing" (I guess because its not FCC approved). Seller was great.
So far so good, flashed it and testing out some new roms.
3G works fine.
Getting used to the big screen and few buttons(had a polaris).

Damn, this is some amazing news if true....
I just recently got an Xperia X1a, but the HTC Touch HD was definitely my first choice. But the 3G thing was a deal-breaker for me since I really wanted something that was speedy on the browsing.
I absolutely love my X1 but this is making me wonder if I should return it....
MAN, I hope this is just a myth, lol!

How sweet it is
$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.

I am in north Florida.
BTW saw some posts about bluetooth skips.
Using Dutty 1.9 rom and pocket player, perfect sound with a 64 bitpool even with internet usage. Kept the stock radio.

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$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.
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Really? That doesn't surprise you? All the threads I've read in the past were talking about how disappointing it was to not get 3G in the U.S. with the HD. And how it was most likely a hardware issue (although that is still up for debate). Most people were even skeptical about the Aussie version.
I think if you were to hit up an AT&T wireless store, they could show you which areas have the 3G signals, they did for me. Although I'm not sure if they'd be able to specify if it's an 850 signal area.

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Really? That doesn't surprise you? All the threads I've read in the past were talking about how disappointing it was to not get 3G in the U.S. with the HD. And how it was most likely a hardware issue (although that is still up for debate). Most people were even skeptical about the Aussie version.
I think if you were to hit up an AT&T wireless store, they could show you which areas have the 3G signals, they did for me. Although I'm not sure if they'd be able to specify if it's an 850 signal area.
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Exactly. I know where all the 3G areas are in the US they just won't be able to tell me on what frequency.
The Xperia works on the 1900mhz signal only and gets 3G in some areas. That's why I was not surprised.

AllTheWay said:
Exactly. I know where all the 3G areas are in the US they just won't be able to tell me on what frequency.
The Xperia works on the 1900mhz signal only and gets 3G in some areas. That's why I was not surprised.
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Ahh, I see I see.
I got a big fat H with a box around it on my Xperia (HSDPA I think), which I was told by another poster is actually a lil faster than 3G.
So does that mean my area has only 1900mhz signal? Or not necessarily...
I'm really considering returning my Xperia now hahahah

Anyone can tell what make the different from the T8285 and T8282, both of them have the same hardware.....how can the T8285 support 3G, i use my T8282 to flash the telstra rom but still cant get the 3G even the model name have changed to T8285. I still dont believe that is the hardware issue

k6076199 said:
Anyone can tell what make the different from the T8285 and T8282, both of them have the same hardware.....how can the T8285 support 3G, i use my T8282 to flash the telstra rom but still cant get the 3G even the model name have changed to T8285. I still dont believe that is the hardware issue
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You've put the Telstra software on a T8282, and don't get 3G.
Yet you still don't think it's hardware!?

Just ordered mine...oh man, 4 days is too long.....why is it only 4:00AM in Australia.....comeon ship it now already

From a differnt thread on the 850-1900 discussion:
http://cellularmap.net/att_850_1900.shtml
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$826 plus shipping is a considerable amount. It doesn't surprise me that the OP is able to get 3G. I wonder where the user is located. It might make a difference if everybody will get 3G in the United States. I wish there was some kind of map / key that would identify where the 850 / 1900 3G signals were at in North America. Congrats on having 3G with the HD in the United States. I am quite jealous I must say.
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Telstra T8285 fro EBAY AU Unlocked?
I have been tempted to order it on Ebay as well. It will be my first purchase on Ebay.... From what I can see the Telstra T8285 is the one I want and It says it's unlocked. I plan to pop my AT&T SIM card in and expect it to work on the 850 3g band. Am I missing anything else?? I'm pretty sure the folks who have already bought one have got it from the same source in AU. If I get the nerve to do this I will be selling my T8282.
Thanks

Is X1a phased out?

I have noticed that X1a has disappeared from US site in favor of X1 (900Mhz UMTS X1 model):
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/specifications/x1?lc=en&cc=us
I remember distinctly it used to be the X1a up there as it still is for S. America site, e.g. Argentina:
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/products/mobilephones/overview/x1a?lc=es&cc=ar
same change (as in US) holds true for Australian site - used to be X1a
What's going on? Certainly, I wouldn't think that whole nations changed their frequency plans in favor of Qualcomm
In this case to whom is the recent R2A North American ROM upgrade addressed? Was the initial issue of the X1a for the US a limited issue on first come first served basis?

Hmm
I'm no expert, but I wouldn't call the phasing out of the X1a a "first come first serve" I'd call it more of a "this device sucked, lets replace it with the one that works".

http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs..._communications:mobile_phones:shop_compare:ss
http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs...10151&langId=-1&productId=8198552921665702060

alias_neo said:
I'm no expert, but I wouldn't call the phasing out of the X1a a "first come first serve" I'd call it more of a "this device sucked, lets replace it with the one that works".
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What The! The X1 and the X1a are exactly the same device except one supports 900Mhz UTMS and the other 850Mhz.
As far as the Australia website showing the X1, this makes sense as they are probably about to release this version here (We only got the X1a version last December). But the X1a is still listed on the website.

fxcoupeman83 said:
What The! The X1 and the X1a are exactly the same device except one supports 900Mhz UTMS and the other 850Mhz.
As far as the Australia website showing the X1, this makes sense as they are probably about to release this version here (We only got the X1a version last December). But the X1a is still listed on the website.
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Heh I'm just ranting for the heck of it lol. But as an Electronic Engineer it makes no sense to me to have the 850MHz when you have a 900MHz, because the 900MHz can easily be set to work at 850MHz in software.
That being said, my little rant was based on things I have read on other forums about a lot of problems (network and quality related) being most prominent in the X1a (850MHz) devices. That being said, It's quite possible that it was just the specific production batch that was making those 850s at the time. It's also possible that maybe the guys that own X1as (Americans) are more likely to complain, or simply that a significant number more of tham have been sold, because of geography and customer base.
Don't take anything I say to seriously, I sure as heck don't

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Heh I'm just ranting for the heck of it lol. But as an Electronic Engineer it makes no sense to me to have the 850MHz when you have a 900MHz, because the 900MHz can easily be set to work at 850MHz in software.
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That's cool lol. I didn't know you could set a 900MHz to work at 850MHz via software. I would have thought if they could do that they would, instead of having to produce a seperate batch for each band. Certainly would decrease production costs.
I genuinely think a lot of complaints are from those people who didn't really understand what they were buying. Either they had never encounted Windows Mobile before and expected it to work like any other Sony Ericsson, or they had inflated expectations of what Sony could do with the software. I'm not saying there haven't been some production issues though.
I see Windows Mobile a lot like Linux desktop OS. Out of the box it's a bit underwhelming; but take the time to play around with settings and programs and customise it to your liking, it can be very powerful and unique.

Yep
fxcoupeman83 said:
That's cool lol. I didn't know you could set a 900MHz to work at 850MHz via software. I would have thought if they could do that they would, instead of having to produce 2 seperate batches for each band. Certainly would decrease production costs.
I genuinely think a lot of complaints are from those people who didn't really understand what they were buying. Either they had never encounted Windows Mobile before and expected it to work like any other Sony Ericsson, or they had inflated expectations of what Sony could do with the software. I'm not saying there haven't been some production issues though.
I see Windows Mobile a lot like Linux desktop OS. Out of the box it's a bit underwhelming; but take the time to play around with settings and programs and customise it to your liking, it can be very powerful and unique.
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Yep, totally agree. Back to the 850/900 I think the problem here is entirely political rather than anything Engineering wise. America didn't conform to the international standard set for GSM as did not a few other countries and so they make the 850 devices for you guys. However, a quad band GSM which is the X1i, should work in America just fine because they support 850 and 900 (like I said, the 900MHz can easily be made to support 850 in software)
About the WinMo/Linux Desktop thing, I agree again, although not entirely (a Linux desktop OS has never been underwhelming for me) because I always know what to expect, and that's that I make it run how I want, the beauty is, it's designed that way.
WinMo however, was never designed to be user customised, and considering SE have done close to nothing with it over the WinMo PDA I sold 3 years ago because it was so horrific nearly gave me a heart attack at my new "investment" but I think the fact that it was made by HTC has left a lot of room for improvement because a lot of their in-house customisations have been ported and made useful here.
Right now I'm happy with my Xperia except for the one flaw I have just today addressed with Send/Receive over Wifi while sleeping not being possible, which is a huuuuge blow for me.

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Heh I'm just ranting for the heck of it lol. But as an Electronic Engineer it makes no sense to me to have the 850MHz when you have a 900MHz, because the 900MHz can easily be set to work at 850MHz in software.
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I thought that the UMTS bands were hardware based...
Both phones are quad band GSM... but neither is quad band UMTS.
I'm trying to remember where I saw this, but I think there was a chip in the phone that allowed the UMTS bands so a simple software change wouldn't fix this. So the X1i wouldn't work on 3G in the US or on NextG in Australia.

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I thought that the UMTS bands were hardware based...
Both phones are quad band GSM... but neither is quad band UMTS.
I'm trying to remember where I saw this, but I think there was a chip in the phone that allowed the UMTS bands so a simple software change wouldn't fix this. So the X1i wouldn't work on 3G in the US or on NextG in Australia.
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Yes, I think alias_neo is talking about a different frequency set
The 850/900 frequencies he's talking about are for GSM - this has never been the issue with the X1i/X1a imbroglio
It's the UMTS 850Mhz fequency that the X1i is hardware-crippled against
An X1 model with 900/2100Mhz bands for UMTS (such as listed in the 1st post) is another variation again. Some countries use the UMTS 900Mhz frequency for their regions, but it is not widespread. We need further confusion like a hole in the head !!

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Heh I'm just ranting for the heck of it lol. But as an Electronic Engineer it makes no sense to me to have the 850MHz when you have a 900MHz, because the 900MHz can easily be set to work at 850MHz in software.
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Are you able to write a software to do this? I'm sure many would love it if their X1i can use 850 3G as well.

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Yes, I think alias_neo is talking about a different frequency set
The 850/900 frequencies he's talking about are for GSM - this has never been the issue with the X1i/X1a imbroglio
It's the UMTS 850Mhz fequency that the X1i is hardware-crippled against
An X1 model with 900/2100Mhz bands for UMTS (such as listed in the 1st post) is another variation again. Some countries use the UMTS 900Mhz frequency for their regions, but it is not widespread. We need further confusion like a hole in the head !!
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Ahh, well, I have lost track of where this is going now, and since I havn't slept in 2 days (it's now 6:30am on the 3rd day) any point I had is probably flawed. i think my point was that the "Hardware" crippling is probably more of a low level software crippling and could infact be rectified (only by the chip manufacturer) using the same hardware. But again, I think my point was that the reason they have this difference is political and because some countries refused to stick with the international standards.

Ashwm said:
Are you able to write a software to do this? I'm sure many would love it if their X1i can use 850 3G as well.
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No, you misunderstand me, by software I mean low level machine code, "burned" into the chip by the manufacturer and not changeable. Only he manufacturer of the chip can do this at the point of manufacture.
But of course I could be entirely wrong, I make this assmption based on the fact that I often work with "programmable systems on a chip" (ASICs/FPGAs etc).
It's also quite possible the frequency setting circuitry IS infact made the good old fashioned way of laying out the silicon in a set circuit design.

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But again, I think my point was that the reason they have this difference is political and because some countries refused to stick with the international standards.
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1) "some countries" include Canada, US, South Americas, Australia, South Africa.
The UMTS 850Mhz frequency is used in the regional (less populated) areas to cover the distances involved with a longer wavelength. Such areas need less bandwidth too, because of the lower population densities
Politics plays no part here, thank goodness. it's just straight physics.
2) the "international standard" for cities is 1900/2100Mhz. All the cities I know that have UMTS broadcasting use these frequencies, including cities in the above listed countries
The concept of larger, less-populated areas is probably not easy for city-dwellers to grasp, but the "international standard" for such areas is UMTS 850Mhz. The only "odd-ball" aspect here is that city-dwellers don't understand this, I think.

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1) "some countries" include Canada, US, South Americas, Australia, South Africa.
The UMTS 850Mhz frequency is used in the regional (less populated) areas to cover the distances involved with a longer wavelength. Such areas need less bandwidth too, because of the lower population densities
Politics plays no part here, thank goodness. it's just straight physics.
2) the "international standard" for cities is 1900/2100Mhz. All the cities I know that have UMTS broadcasting use these frequencies, including cities in the above listed countries
The concept of larger, less-populated areas is probably not easy for city-dwellers to grasp, but the "international standard" for such areas is UMTS 850Mhz. The only "odd-ball" aspect here is that city-dwellers don't understand this, I think.
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Nup- there are many, many 900MHz regional deployments.
Australia is unique in the sense that it has both a 900MHz and a 850MHz regional deployment. Lots and lots of stupid redundancy. Oh well.

Leddy said:
Nup- there are many, many 900MHz regional deployments.
Australia is unique in the sense that it has both a 900MHz and a 850MHz regional deployment. Lots and lots of stupid redundancy. Oh well.
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I can't disagree with that - there's marketing politics in that redundancy (not hard to guess ), but either 850 or 900 serves OK for the regions. The physics is essentially the same for either frequency, of course.
However, the 900Mhz in Aus has a very limited deployment, primarily because Optus et al do not want to service the less-populated areas (not sufficient profit). They've been paying lip-service for lo!, these many years.
The 850 frequency became a problem with the Qualcomm-Broadcomm Court issue and this turned up after the 850Mhz deployments
I agree ... oh well !!
The way I see it turning out is that Telstra, who operates the 850Mhz with easily the largest areal coverage, will gradually "corner" the retail market on UMTS 850Mhz devices in Aus and proceed to charge unbelievably high $$ amounts for these. It's already difficult to find 850Mhz devices at any significant discount to their prices. And yes, that's marketing politics ... but the physics dictates the parameters.

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1) "some countries" include Canada, US, South Americas, Australia, South Africa.
The UMTS 850Mhz frequency is used in the regional (less populated) areas to cover the distances involved with a longer wavelength. Such areas need less bandwidth too, because of the lower population densities
Politics plays no part here, thank goodness.
2) the "international standard" for cities is 1900/2100Mhz. All the cities I know that have UMTS broadcasting use these frequencies, including cities in the above listed countries
The concept of larger, less-populated areas is probably not easy for city-dwellers to grasp, but the "international standard" for such areas is UMTS 850Mhz. The only "odd-ball" aspect here is that city-dwellers don't understand this, I think.
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In which case, there is no reason 850MHz couldn't be the standard as I assume that even here in the UK our less populated areas would equally require less bandwidth and could live with the extra coverage, of course you would then have to count the rest of Europe and Asia who also use this band. A lot of Europe has wide open spaces just as much as they have cities, there are few countries that don't fit into both categories.
The question, I guess, is how much extra bandwidth are we really getting from those extra 50MHz, or extra coverage from the 50MHz less that determines that there can't just be one standard everywhere in the world.
Of course that's before you get into the fact that some countries may have already allocated the band to something else, making it impossible. (As with USA and the 1700(?)MHz band.

X1a and X1i differ in hardware:
i.e. different UMTS power amps for 850Mhz and 900Mhz
check out:
http://www.phonewreck.com/2008/12/12/sony-ericsson-xperia-x1-review-and-teardown/
also:
http://www.avagotech.com/pages/en/rf_for_mobile_wlan_mmw/mobile_power/w-cdma_pas/
perhaps this hardware cripple was part of the broadcom vs qualcom court ruling

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...because the 900MHz can easily be set to work at 850MHz in software.
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You could probably make a small fortune telling us how to do that.

George Knighton said:
You could probably make a small fortune telling us how to do that.
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Hehe, like I explained before, and as the poster above has just shown. They are infact made by entirely different manufacturers for different bands, and by software I meant the code actually "burned" into the chips by the manufacturer, ad only by them I meant it could be done, not by some software you install/run on the device.
Anyway, in this case I was incorrect and as I stated earlier, it is possible (which is in fact the case here) that they would use the good old fashioned way of making the chips by actually designing the individual circuits into the silicon directly rather than using programmable chips.
This of course would be because of how critical obtaining an exact frequency is and designing dedicated chips like this ensures that.
In conclusion, you might as well disregard everything I have said on the subject. Either way, it would have made no difference to us the end user, just that the manufacturer could easily (if they wanted) made the cips run either speed.

Nexus One has hardware to work on AT&T 3G

I was looking at the Nexus One teardown here. http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Nexus-One/1654/2
Interesting to note that the RTR6285 RF transceiver does indeed support Band 5 UMTS, which I think is AT&T, according to a cached press release here. http://74.125.153.132/search?q=cach...l+RTR6285+umts+bands&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Note it says...
North American triple-band UMTS (bands 2, 4, 5)
Japanese triple-band UMTS (bands 1, 6, 9)
European, Chinese and rest-of-world triple-band UMTS (bands 1, 3, 8)
Also... the power amplifier SKY77336, according to this document... http://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://www.skyworksinc.com/uploads/documents/200780E.pdf
Does support the GSM850 band. Isn't that AT&T?
So what is really preventing the Nexus One from running on AT&T? Did they just not "bother" to certify it with the FCC because T-Mobile is their launch partner?
This could mean then the radio software, or some other configuration option in the firmware simply has AT&T 3G disabled.
I'll let you guys debate this, but I can't see any hardware reason why this phone couldn't work on AT&T 3G, with proper software/hacking of course.
-James

Actually the real question is, why didn't they certify with the FCC for AT&T 3G? My only idea is that T-Mobile was the launch partner, but the hardware can do AT&T 3G technically, it's just not certified and enabled.
No reason they couldn't certify and enable it later.
And I have to say, I would have no trouble going to T-Mobile, but in Salt Lake City, AT&T coverage is far superior and so are the 3G speed tests. There are many locations my T-Mobile friends can't get make calls to save their life. I hear T-Mobile is much better in other cities.
-James

Doesn't AT&T use both 850 and 1900 for 3G? Does this phone have 1900?

jimbo831 said:
Doesn't AT&T use both 850 and 1900 for 3G? Does this phone have 1900?
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Believe the transceiver and amplifier support both.
I want to get people digging around on this.
-James

Very interesting stuff.
I bet a community could get a pot together and have a prize for whomever can get the n1 working on att first, assuming it actually will work
Thanks for digging up this info, I was actually in the process of starting to research this myself for when I grew tired of living on edge.

Does support the GSM850 band. Isn't that AT&T?
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You've already answered your own question here, GSM is not UMTS.
I'm in the smae boat btw, Telstra in Aus use 850UMTS and I know how painful it can be to have 2G access in most places.

YorikR32 said:
You've already answered your own question here, GSM is not UMTS.
I'm in the smae boat btw, Telstra in Aus use 850UMTS and I know how painful it can be to have 2G access in most places.
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Well technically UMTS is a GSM standard, could be the same thing. Same frequencies certainly.

I was just checking the brochure for the http://www.rfmw.com/data/BRO254-08B.pdf
No where does it make mention of UMTS, like say... T-Mobile's AWS... but it does specifically have the correct frequencies listed for both T-Mobile AWS and AT&T 3G.
I'm going to make the assumption that this indicates it works with UMTS is both bands since it doesn't mention UMTS specifically at all, yet it does work on T-Mobile AWS.

James I love you man! tell me there's a way to "jailbreak" this thing.... what kind of people do we need? someone has to be willing to help with this. Oh why oh why am i only a MBA.... I need a tech degree of some kind!
I don't think it has to do with the FCC. Though we are all in love with the nexus one... remember that google and apple are nearly HALF of the same executive board. They don't want to compete with the golden goose that keeps thier stock portfolio's up that much.
We just need to find out how to activate/change which airwaves this thing is listening too and THEN we will have the first truely unlocked machine!

subscribing to this thread for an outcome.

I've been doing more reading and it seems this isn't the first phone with hardware disabled. I haven't found anything yet on if anyone has made the change yet :+\

Here we go, the Blackstone all over again .

~~Tito~~ said:
Here we go, the Blackstone all over again .
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Well, maybe. The Blackstone has a hardware limitation for the US 3G frequencies. There have been phones in the past that had software limitations that were overcome with a hack. So if the Nexus has the hardware capabilities to do ATT 3G frequencies there is a good chance that someone will figure out how to unlock it.

uh...wow. Yeah, I'll be watching this thread.

Matterhorn said:
Well, maybe. The Blackstone has a hardware limitation for the US 3G frequencies. There have been phones in the past that had software limitations that were overcome with a hack. So if the Nexus has the hardware capabilities to do ATT 3G frequencies there is a good chance that someone will figure out how to unlock it.
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Which phones? Do you have any links we can read so we can start looking for similar solutions?

I found this link to the Diamond on XDA which they supposedly change to 3g at&t but I have read the whole thing it's long.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432770
I'm still looking for answers! I'm just not smart enough to "create" the answer. I have hope that a future rom will help us but not for a while. For now I'll keep researching.
P.S. my phone comes tommorrow!!!!!!!!11 I'm so excited!!!!!!!!!!!111111

The radio chip supports all the UMTS bands it but unfortunately the UMTS power amplifiers (eg. http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=597) are NOT in the chip. Like the G1 it probably only has amplifiers for 900/1700/2100.
The quadband power amplifier only supports GPRS/EDGE: http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=437
Looking at the chip diagram here (http://s2.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/ZhrRALhPFhWyLGKC.large) the two chips next to the SKY77191 look awfully like power amplifiers as well.. if so, conveniently for 900/2100

coolbho3000 said:
The radio chip supports all the UMTS bands it but unfortunately the UMTS power amplifiers (eg. http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=597) are NOT in the chip. Like the G1 it probably only has amplifiers for 900/1700/2100.
The quadband power amplifier only supports GPRS/EDGE: http://www.skyworksinc.com/Product.aspx?ProductID=437
Looking at the chip diagram here (http://s2.guide-images.ifixit.com/igi/ZhrRALhPFhWyLGKC.large) the two chips next to the SKY77191 look awfully like power amplifiers as well.. if so, conveniently for 900/2100
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Killjoy
jk

Wii60 said:
Killjoy
jk
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Don't get me wrong, I wish this worked on AT&T (points at logo). Guess I'm EDGE-only until my contract expires.
Just wish all carriers would have stuck to one standard

whoever helps figure this out will definitely be getting some donations from me!! i have att and no purpose of buying a N1 without 3g...