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how the hell do you turn off the device, if i press the power button once the screen goes completely black and i cannot tap anything but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it comes alive. if i press and continue pressing for two seconds, the screen simply dims and i can still tap on the screen?
so how do you switch it off?
and if you reset how do you prevent it from loading the T-Mobile customization?
Also, mine has a dead pixel and i have just opened it can i take it back as faulty? it's only one dead pixel but it's really really annoying...does it count as a fault. i'm gonna try and take mine back tomorrow
A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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A short press turns the unit off
A longer press will shut down the backlight, but leave the unit on
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Well, when i do that the screen goes blank but i can still recieve calls and if i press any of the buttons it goes back on again!!!!!!!!!!!!
To totaly turn off the device you need to slide the battery lock button out and then back in. It is the only way I have found to totaly turn the device off.
To lock the keys go into "settings" then "system" and choose "button lock" then choose "Lock all buttons except power button".
John
oh, i see. i thought it was like the other phones, nokia SE etc.
thanks alot for all your replies
thank you
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
sayreul said:
this is not a phone, this is a pdaphone, it works like a pda... if you want tu turn off the phone, you can use the flight mode.
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I dont think it has anyhting to do with PDA. I have had 3 PDA's before. All of them had an "off" button that turned the thing off. Ditto for phones. So this is just Microsoft's strange decision. Dont make the guy feel back just because he is thinking logically - and they are not.
I've had quite a few PDAs over the years:- Casio E80? Psion 3, 3a, 3c, 5, 5mx, iPaq 3630, XDAI, XDAII, MDA Compact.
None of them have ever had an off button. They turn off the screen and may even slow the processor or put it in sleep mode. But they all kept their memory powered up and clock / alarms / appointments alive at all times.
This may change in the future as flash ram is now fast enough that you could actually run stuff from it so you could truly kill power (apart from clock and wakeup stuff) without emptying your memory.
My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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My old Visor Edge, Palm Tungsten T, T2 and TE all had off buttons. I dont know of any electronic device where anyone should expect that the "off" botton doesn't turn it off.
If that button on Windows Mobile devices is a "sleep" button, then they should mark it with a "sleep" symbol, rather than the intl symbol for "power", which is what they have on there - and which is what confuses people.
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So, if your Palm completely powered down when you pressed this magic "off" button, how come the alarms still worked? How come it woke up when you pressed any of the four application buttons or tapped the screen? How come your data was still kept in RAM?
More wisdom from the skagen...
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
But this is not so for most PDA:s on the market.
Most PDA:s will go into some kind of sleep mode when you press the "off" button. And mostly it is not even a true sleep mode, a lot of processes are still running, and even network connections can be kept active. This is also the way most PDA users would want their PDA to work. Also, the way most PDA:s are built, a power down means resetting everything back to defaults and thereby loosing all of your data and third party applications. This could be cured by using non volatile RAM for all of the memory, but I guess there is probably a good reason why this is not normally done.
Actually, on most modern computers a short tap on the power button will put them in suspend mode and holding it for more than two seconds will turn them off. So the only thing that is really strange with the PDA is that a long press on the button will not even put it in sleep mode but only shut off power to the display. And as I actually don't know anyone that has ever used that worthless function I think they should probably replace it with a "real" sleep mode, where all of the hardware is actually shut off except for support voltage to keep the memory "alive".
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If you press the "off" button on your N 6100 or SE T610 you are right in that they would really be off. You can not receive a call, any alarms will not sound until you turn the phone on again and so on.
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On N 6100 ,and on all nokia phones, the clock alarm wake's up the phone... You then have a choice of whether to activate the phone or not...
Same with all the Siemens phones I owned ( 4 so far). When shutting off the phone, the clock and alarms keep working. The only thing that does not work, off course, is the radio so incoming calls are diverted to voice mail. But with the phone off, the alarms still wake me up!
It would indeed be a good idea if using the power button on any type of XDA would turn the device really off, using power only for keeping the clock working and the data stored...
If the alarms jeep working on your phone when in "off" mode it is not actually off but in a low power mode with the phone functions turned off. So what you are really asking for is that the power button should turn off the phone but keep the pda running. This seems quite useless to me. Exactly how often are you in such a hurry to turn off the phone?
Yes, the device is in sleep mode, but it is a very deep sleep indeed, since it uses close to zero power. When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button. Seems like rather a hassle, doesn't it, compared to a normal phone? So I don't mean for the PDA to keep running ful operations, but rather to power down to a level where it only uses a little power to keep the storage working. And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
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My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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This guy is unbelievable. You were claiming that your Palm turned completely off when you hit the off button - not a cellphone, jerk.
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When I put my Compact in sleep mode, running programs will not shut down but will stay running, the Today screen is still running and the same goes for the phone radio and GPRS. This means that the battery drains much quicker. So in order to save power, I have to turn off the radio (flight mode), kill running apps and then put the device to sleep with the power button.
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Wrong - programs that can be _are_ suspended when you put the PDA into standby. Try it with MediaPlayer.
How do you know the Today screen is still running? Like you know the fridge light really stays on when you shut the door?
Wouldn't you be complaining more (because of the missed calls) if turning the PDA off to save the battery also killed the phone?
Most of us can get our heads round this - the Standby button on the side controls the PDA. The Flight mode controls the phone. Not exactly difficult, is it?
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And when waking up, I don't need to see the Today right away, a few seconds loading the screen like on a normal phone is worth the power save to me.
That's where you fall into sjkagen's trap, again. For the zillionth time, the Jam/Compact is not just a phone. It's primarily a PDA. That's why it costs so much more than a phone. And on a PDA, you need to be able to look up information instantly - not have to wait a minute for the darn thing to boot up.
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skagen said:
My Nokia 6100 has an off button and it works. Doesn't stop my alarms from waking me up. So did my SE T610 before that
Everybody here has had a cell phone before. The all have "off" buttons that turn the device off. Only Microsoft, in its infinite stupidity, has decided to have a an "off" button that should in fact be labelled "sleep".
You are the one with no clue.
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Oh skagen, how ignorant you are. Seems you cannot understand pictures, let alone words.
The label on the Jam "off" button is a line through a broken circle, which is the IEC symbol for STANDBY, not POWER OFF. Just like on all other PDAs, and your TV remote control.
See
http://eetd.lbl.gov/Controls/overview/symbols1.pdf
Now look again at all your "phones" which completely shut down when you press the "power" button. What symbol do they have?
Seeing as you obviously have so much difficulty telling the difference between a cellphone and a Palm, a phone and a PocketPC, or a power switch from a standby button, here's another teaser for you.
1. How do cellphones manage to keep their memory when they are turned off or the battery is removed?
2. What is the difference between the memory in cellphone and that in most PDAs?
3. Why do most PDAs have Standby (Soft Off) and not Power (Hard Off) buttons?
Wow, seems like some people are getting really sensitive when I call the Magician a phone... Sorry if I insulted you guys, it is just that I compare it to a phone because I use it for that the most, but I do understand that it is actually much more than that!
I have no problems with the way the sleep button works, it is ok for me, I just wanted to say that there are other possibilities that could have been used to map the button to. Especially since some people would have liked the button to work more "phone wise". But since it is primarily a PDA, I see that this current application is the most logical thing for the button to do.
BTW you are totally right that most running apps are termintated when pushing the power button. Although WMP stays active in the running programs menu, the music is cut off. However, since the prog stays loaded, does this consume more power than shutting it down completey (e.g. with SPB Pocket Plus)?
I think the Today screen stays loaded BECAUSE IT IS RIGHT THERE AFTER WAKE UP, just as you say: it does not have to be booted first. BTW: I have a little window in my fridge door to check wether the light goes off .
And please guys, don't call each other jerks or ignorant just because someone's questions or remarks anoy you. Reply polite or don't reply at all!
Anyone know how to stop an accidental clicks or other screen presses from taking place when I've got the phone to my face during a call?
Si.
I use a freeware app called Screen Off, download it here:
http://www.handango.com/PlatformPro...latformId=2&N=96806&productId=125781&R=125781
Basically when I make a call or answer a call I have screen off assigned to a button, so I can then press the button to turn the screen off. To turn the screen back, just press the power on button.\
Hope this helps,
Or maybe you could simply turn PDA off with a single power button press...and when you're finished simply turn it on. Remember that the radio is always running (unless you hold the power button for 5s).
My screen turns off automatically after about 20 seconds when on a call - haven't set it to do this - in fact can't even find an option - it just seems to be the default setting. The only way to turn it back on is to press the green or red buttons, or just flick the volume control either way - works for me. (O2 XDA Mini s)
S.
Macrinus - thx that works a treat.
That's weird, your screen turning off after 20 seconds, mine turns off as configured in "Turn backlight after..." and "Turn off device...".
macrinus said:
That's weird, your screen turning off after 20 seconds, mine turns off as configured in "Turn backlight after..." and "Turn off device...".
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Yeah, it is weird - bit annoying, but sensible really to save the power - Perhaps its just the device turning off then, with the phone still running .... comes back to life with a flick of the volume though - touching the screen won't re-activate it. Will have to time it a bit more closely !
S.
Radio on screen off
I too turn the device off when I'm on a call (although I only discovered I could without ending the call this morning). Otherwise, my ear activates the Start menu.
Doh!
if only the backlight is turned off, the screen WILL still react to face contact!
I understand that either the device (less the phone side!) via power button, or the screen must be turned off via an utility.
It may exist, but I know no proggie able to lock the touchscreen without turning it off!
(pitty, my axim X50v can lock the screen without turning it off via a Hw sliding button9
I guess post title says it all..
Whenever I start a phone call, the screen goes off...it is very annoying.
Any way to stop that behavior ?
I have searched this forums with no luck.
I am running Modaco's 2.3 ROM on an unbranded hero.
I have tried using Powermanager tools to define a 2min timeout in the "screen off during call" feature but with no luck.
thanks for the help!
Cheers,
-Eric
There is an app called shake awake which wakes up the screen during a call when you move it away from your face.
http://www.cyrket.com/package/com.maplekeycompany.apps.shake
Thanks. i'll give a try but the bad reviews are scaring me.
Is there a setting anywhere for that screen turning off while on call ?
i didn't liked "shake awake" the calls got dropped when the phone "shaked" sometimes i had to call the same person 3 or 4 times because the call ended. first i thought it was my phone but the problems started after installing shake awake. after i removed it my phone worked again
Keepscreen does the trick. Works absolutly great. The full version is able to keep the screen on with every application. Very handy when reading mail, browsing etc. You must set youre screenout delay in settings from the phone to 30sec.
http://nl.androlib.com/r.aspx?r=keepscreen
I'd like an app that actually does kill the screen as soon as the call button is pressed. Sometimes the Hero is too slow to turn off the screen and you hang up the call with your cheek.
Thats annoying.
After i hang up on a call (when the phone is in sleep mode and the screen is locked) the screen unlocks. this is quite contrary to what is mentioned in the phone manual chapter 1 page 45. this becomes an issue since i use a bluetooth headset and the phone remains in its sleeve/case and after every call, a whole bunch of applications will launch since the case is in contact with the screen. have i overlooked some settings or are there other owners who have faced this issue?
ideas and suggestions welcomed
did you check it out if any of the hardware buttons being pressed against the case hence wakening up the phone.?
i had it to only closed al my apps in taskm and it stoped flickering
My HD2 is also behaving in the same way even in controlled test conditions - the phone unlocks when a call comes in (I'm presented with slide to accept or reject call) The phone unlocks during the call, but fails to lock again on disconnect (either by pressing "end call" or hang up via bluetooth).
Can anyone verify this? Is it interacting with something I installed?
I believe I found a (complicated) workaround.
What I want: leave HD2 inside pocket, answer calls with bluetooth headset, hang up and phone will go back to lock.
Problem: After I hang up using bluetooth or press the big red "End Call" button or the other party hangs up, the phone stays unlocked! It stays powered on and all kinds of buttons gets clicked.
Practically all lock sw uses their own lock screen (which I don't want to install). CSDevCtrl does not trigger by phone. TouchLockPro uses its own transparent lock screen but can respond to phone events. Using the !SUSPEND for TAPI\Ended under settings does not seem to work when the screen dims about 50 secs into the call.
Solution: Use TouchLockPro together with LockAndOff. Get TAPI\Ended to run LockAndOff will turn phone off, whether by bluetooth, big red "End Call" button, or the other party hangs up.
BTW: I think there is some confusion on whether the phone locks when you
1. press the big red "End Call" button, or
2. the hard "End call" button
in the forums.
I noticed that HD2 have a light sensor next to the top ear speaker.
During a call, if the phone is put near the ear and cover the light sensor , the screen become non-active which is good.
If anyone can come up with a lock sceen using this light sensor , then the problem with random launch of program when phone inside pocket will be solved.
This lock screen should only activated right after an end of call, beacuse , sometime you may want to use the phone in a dark place.
linivan said:
I noticed that HD2 have a light sensor next to the top ear speaker.
During a call, if the phone is put near the ear and cover the light sensor , the screen become non-active which is good.
If anyone can come up with a lock sceen using this light sensor , then the problem with random launch of program when phone inside pocket will be solved.
This lock screen should only activated right after an end of call, beacuse , sometime you may want to use the phone in a dark place.
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It's the proximity sensor that turns the screen on and off during a call, not the light sensor. How else would it work in the dark? (which it does)
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It's the proximity sensor that turns the screen on and off during a call, not the light sensor. How else would it work in the dark? (which it does)
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My proximity sensor does not work, when I am getting a call my screen turn off and when I am taking the phone out from my face it turn on only when I am out side at the sun!! the screen stay off when I am inside room. I tested it with flsh light and it is working also.
I have a T-Mobile US version of the HD2. I am having the same problem when using the bluetooth system in my car. After answering or making a call the phone stay unlocked. And then starts making random calls while I am driving!!!!
There has got to be an easy fix for this!!!
Buy pocketshield, problem solved.
i have this unlock problem with 1.48 rom and i solve it by pressing start button and lock. after that everything works fine unless i change theme in settings. then just repeat first step.
Solved
Same trouble with me until I use the following software. I tried it and it's almost perfect. unzip it and just copy to your HD2, run CallerLoc.exe and click Yes, you'll find:when you hang up, or he/she hang up a call, or a call is established, the screen will turn off.
Why say 'almost perfect', the software is in chinese, but the filename is in english. and it's a call location software but with the function we need.
To stop or before you delete the software, run Callerloc.exe and click Yes again.
Hope this will help you. Sorry I don't find a English version of this software. I esure and I'm using this software perfectlly with my Leo.
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Buy pocketshield, problem solved.
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Same for me
Greetings.
I understand this is quite an old thread I'm digging up but I need a little help as well and I didn't want to start a new topic just for that.
I've this silly problem, appeared right out of the blue:
You all know the standard manila behavior, when the phone is idle, the screen first dims and after some more time, depending on your preferences, the screen locks. It also locks if you press the power off button. This all was happening to me till this morning.
I added an event in the calendar (the only change I made today) and after that, my phone dims and then goes in sleep mode after the designated period of time, but DOESN'T lock!!! It doesn't even lock when I press the power off button. I can still lock it by pressing Start and then lock or by press and hold the power button and choose the lock phone option. So one would say that it's still operational, so why bother about it, but I kinda liked the standard function and I have to freaking idea why it changed!!!
I'd be most appreciative if you could offer some help with that.
Oh, I forgot to mention. Soft reset didn't solve the problem. Erasing the calendar event didn't either.
My phone runs the factory ROM (1.66.482.1 ELL), I haven't changed anything other than user settings (yeah, I'm a noob... )
Thanks in advance!
Nasos
Pocketshield could be the end of your problems. You can try it for 10 days and see how it goes...
But why do I need to buy third party software in order to revert my phone to it's original operation?
No, this is not the answer I am looking for. I was wondering if you know of any kind of settings that might have changed by accident and caused this undesired behavior.
Thanks.
The best to return to normal operation would be a hard reset. Or you can spend a while trying.
You can try
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Lockscreen\Enable=1
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Shell\Lockscreen\Active=1
Thank you very much. I opted for the hard reset option... I hope it stays ok this time!
My HD2 also had some strange unlocking and unwanted calling.
I noticed it appeared when using the android style lockscreen.
When I changed back to the original one, problem solved
i had this too. the andriod lockscreen seems to be a bit buggy last time i used it, i accidentially called 7 random numbers
Is there a way to enable sleep during a call? Right now if I am on call and I want to put the phone to sleep (turn the screen off) it would end the conversation.
Sleep
datzent83 said:
Is there a way to enable sleep during a call? Right now if I am on call and I want to put the phone to sleep (turn the screen off) it would end the conversation.
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Something is wrong? It should turn off when put it up to you cheek? sensor might not be working?
I am sorry if I didn't provide enough information. All that works properly. Its just that when I use the phone with my car's bluetooth I want to be able to turn off the screen to preserve battery life. But instead it ends the call.
well my handset if nothing passes in front of the sensor then after 10 seconds or so the screen turns off anyway. however if something passes in front and then away again, screen comes back on again for around 10 seconds or so.