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Am I the only one who finds the Browser in Android painful to use?
Slow, clunky, jerky no matter whether your on 3G or Wifi?
Henchman said:
Am I the only one who finds the Browser in Android painful to use?
Slow, clunky, jerky no matter whether your on 3G or Wifi?
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Are there any better full html browsers for other mobile platforms that are significantly better? I don't recall iPhone's browser being significantly faster (natch, as they both use webkit for a core). iPhone scrolls more smoothly but the Android browser doesn't do the annoying checkering if you scroll out of the rendered region.
jashsu said:
Are there any better full html browsers for other mobile platforms that are significantly better? I don't recall iPhone's browser being significantly faster (natch, as they both use webkit for a core). iPhone scrolls more smoothly but the Android browser doesn't do the annoying checkering if you scroll out of the rendered region.
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I'm not talking about the iPhone.
I'm talking about the crap performance of the G1 browser.
And yes, the Android browser should be better. Not the same or worse than any other available web browsers.
Isn't that the POINT of Android?
Henchman said:
I'm not talking about the iPhone.
I'm talking about the crap performance of the G1 browser.
And yes, the Android browser should be better. Not the same or worse than any other available web browsers.
Isn't that the POINT of Android?
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Well, I think for a full html browser the Android browser is doing a pretty decent job? You should keep in mind that some of the lag associated with loading a page over 3G is due to the lag associated with a wireless air interface. So that fifth of a second will never go away no matter how fast the cpu or how efficient the browser code.
I wasn't trying to say you were talking about the iPhone. Rather, I was trying to establish a context for overall mobile browser performance.
I havent been to happy with it lately...I let it slide for a while thinking it was because I only have EDGE in my area, but i went to Wash-DC a few weeks ago and it still sucked on 3G.
If you have root on your phone, consider Cyanogen's stable build (3.2 at the time of writing). I switched to that from JF's 1.51 and I've noticed a drastic increase in performance in everything (not just the browser). I also have noticed no appreciable degradation in battery performance. I highly recommend it.
You may take my advice with a grain of salt though since your complaint is with the browser performance. I have no data plan so all my net access is done over wifi.
I just got my G1 about a week ago. If it had not been for cyanogen's build, I would have taken the phone back and lived with an iPhone (I don't like software keyboards or Apple).
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If you have root on your phone, consider Cyanogen's stable build (3.2 at the time of writing). I switched to that from JF's 1.51 and I've noticed a drastic increase in performance in everything (not just the browser). I also have noticed no appreciable degradation in battery performance. I highly recommend it.
You may take my advice with a grain of salt though since your complaint is with the browser performance. I have no data plan so all my net access is done over wifi.
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Cyanogen's ROM's rock.
This latest one is awesome, and smooth.
Just wonder why it wasn't like this out of the box.
I'm hoping to see a Cyanogen version of Hero soon.
I, too, dread using the browser. I use opera mini 9 times out of 10. I find that it takes a minimum of 20-30 seconds to OPEN the stock browser, let alone do anything. Why must it always refresh the page that it was last on when you reopen it? I am always reaching for Menu -> stop.
Recently I set the homepage to about:blank
This helps a little for what it's worth.
Swapper used to work well to help with the browser suck, but it's not yet compatible with cupcake and it definitely had it's quirks
Try Steel. Much faster and better designed in my opinion. The sliders rule. Check out developer's website for beta cupcake version, it rocks.
The only thing that really annoys me is that whole refreshing thing. I look at a text message and then I have to refresh a page it took a minute to load in the first place? Aggrivating, As for overall performance, yes for a full HTML browser on a handheld its pretty damned good. Content heavy pages will always load slower on it and honestly I havent uses a better mobile browser than it (with the exception of Opera Mobile [not mini]).
performance issue !!
To be honest i love the performance of the browser untill i find myself in an area that only just has GPRS but not 3g or edge coverage.
GPRS is just not fast ata all and thats all iv found to affect performance, try comparing it to say internet explorer mobile or opera on any windows mobile device !!
also try browsing while connected to wifi network, it flys !!
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As I mentioned earlier, consider trying Swapper to help with the browser. It has been updated to work with android 1.5 now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=483110&page=4
My experience with the browser is pretty good. The only thing I don't like about it is that when we press stop, it usually stops at a blank page. Or when we press back, we can't tell if it's going back yet, so we (I atleast), press it twice and it goes back twice. Or when we press back, it doesn't stop loading right away, it waits a few seconds or sometimes even full loads the page that it's currently loading.
Other than lack of multitouch I don't see too much of a difference between the iphone in rendering or speed. IMO the G1 and Iphone browsers behave like chrome and safari respectively, and are pretty much the same.
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I'm not very happy with the broswing on the HTC Dream (Rogers user here in Canada) It renders pages fantastically, I've gotten used to the panning around and such when the fit-to screen doesn't really do a great job.
The major issue I have is the fact that when I switch to another application, no matter what app, when I come back to the broswer the page seems to reload. Also, if I start to load a page and switch to another app, when I come back to the browser it seems as though it was waiting for me to come back before finishing the page load I tasked it to do while I was off in another app.
Is there an option I'm missing that can stop this from happening? It's annoying. I'm used to my Sidekick LX loading a webpage while I'm doing something else! This device is much more powerful, why can't it multi-task as well? ARRGH!
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I'm not very happy with the broswing on the HTC Dream (Rogers user here in Canada) It renders pages fantastically, I've gotten used to the panning around and such when the fit-to screen doesn't really do a great job.
The major issue I have is the fact that when I switch to another application, no matter what app, when I come back to the broswer the page seems to reload. Also, if I start to load a page and switch to another app, when I come back to the browser it seems as though it was waiting for me to come back before finishing the page load I tasked it to do while I was off in another app.
Is there an option I'm missing that can stop this from happening? It's annoying. I'm used to my Sidekick LX loading a webpage while I'm doing something else! This device is much more powerful, why can't it multi-task as well? ARRGH!
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It's a caching issue. There simply isn't enough available to have the browser/webpage sitting in cache while you perform other tasks.
In comparison to a Sidekick, I'd rather have a G1 that renders pages correctly in lieu of loading in the background.
don't get me wrong, I love how the G1/Dream renders webpages. I suppose it's just something I have to get used to.
I loved the SK because it was such a work horse. I didn't need to view any flashy pages, and the server side magic they did with webpage rendering to fit on the SK screen is something I wish my G1 could do. The SK could also switch back and forth between apps without lag, the short cuts responded quickly, and there was no "Oh... what? Oh... I see what you want to do!" feeling that Dream gives me every once in a while.
In all honesty, if Fido (i'm in Canada) had not decomissioned my hiptop data plan, thus killing my SK, I'd still be using it.
Having said all that though, as my sig says, I miss my SK (it did have it's issues with non-loading certain pages) but I'm starting to love this little device I've got my hands on now. I love it for its potential, I just hope that it lives up to it! The market is fantastic and when we get root (again, we are in Canada using Rogers branded htc devices) I'm sure I will be even happier.
i<3andr0id said:
don't get me wrong, I love how the G1/Dream renders webpages. I suppose it's just something I have to get used to.
I loved the SK because it was such a work horse. I didn't need to view any flashy pages, and the server side magic they did with webpage rendering to fit on the SK screen is something I wish my G1 could do. The SK could also switch back and forth between apps without lag, the short cuts responded quickly, and there was no "Oh... what? Oh... I see what you want to do!" feeling that Dream gives me every once in a while.
In all honesty, if Fido (i'm in Canada) had not decomissioned my hiptop data plan, thus killing my SK, I'd still be using it.
Having said all that though, as my sig says, I miss my SK (it did have it's issues with non-loading certain pages) but I'm starting to love this little device I've got my hands on now. I love it for its potential, I just hope that it lives up to it! The market is fantastic and when we get root (again, we are in Canada using Rogers branded htc devices) I'm sure I will be even happier.
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Right, I get what you mean. I came from various Windows Mobile devices and it took me a while to get used to Android. After I did though, I'd find myself using somebody elses non-Android phone and going "wait, it can't do that?? they still make phones like this??"
Awesome.
don't even get me started on winmo... I had a winmo phone for the interm between my sk decomission and the htc dream release in canada. It took me forever to get it setup in a way that I could live with it.
I love the ui of the dream/g1. Eveything is so intuitive. After only a few days of using my dream, I used a friends winmo device and I actually touched the screen because I had become so accustomed to doing so with my dream. I was all, "oh! that's right, i have to click with this button. how quaint!"
I'm new to android phones. In fact, other than reading about them, my only experience with them is playing with the evo 4g for about 10 minutes. I was surprised at the significant stuttering while trying to scroll through lists. It made navigating the sprint tv application very very frustrating. Scrolling through the browser settings was also very annoying because of the stutter. Is this normal for android phones? Is it normal for the evo? Is there some way to fix it?
Right now I have an iphone 3g. I'm not happy with having to jailbreak my iphone just to get some basic functionality that I need. I'm afraid that with the iphone 4 won't even be able to turn on a jail broken phone without plugging it into a computer, so I really am looking for an android device, but this scrolling stutter might be a deal breaker, if it is normal.
Demo models are always torn up and not typical.
I really don't have any lag but I'm also rooted, removed the bloat and have a great task manager installed.
the nexus never stuttered. not a single step. the evo tends to. i think it has something to do with the bloatware that htc and sprint have filled it up with.
could be the 30 fps bug. the device is locked at displaying 30 frames per second so things could be choppy. that's the second thing i noticed about the phone. first was how fuzzy everything looked - i upgraded from a droid so that could be the reason.
I don't think its the 30fps bug. 30 fps would be perfectly acceptable. This is a stutter, not just slow frame rate.
If you're coming from an iPhone I can see how the scrolling would bother you. The iPhone is consistently 60fps in the UI at almost all times, does not suffer the choppiness of the Android UI when scrolling lists or applications. Restoring the 60fps target + Froyo should get the Android UI experience up to acceptable levels in my opinion.
It's the live wallpapers that make my app list stutter. I turned it off and it's smooth now.
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could be the 30 fps bug. the device is locked at displaying 30 frames per second so things could be choppy. that's the second thing i noticed about the phone. first was how fuzzy everything looked - i upgraded from a droid so that could be the reason.
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OMGG stop blaming a 30fps cap for the phone being laggy AT ALL. Its like every single forum if someone brings something up about the phone freezing, lagging, glitching, or not working. Some random person says "its probably because the 30fps cap". Thats not going to stop things from scrolling all in one motion.
But like others have said here, its most likely just because its a demo phone and there might of been a lot of things running. Since most people dont know how to operate android devices they dont close the program and just open everything and anything. Also htc/sprint put a lot on to the phone and bog it down. The phone will be more then operational without rooting, but if you do root, you can give the phone a big increase in speed.
The 'performance improving' ROMs seem to have a great placebo effect.
The phone stutters regardless of what rom you use. The EVO 4G is a laggy phone. It is very unimpressive.
Having sprint bloatware taking up space in your phone's flash memory does not affect performance. It is not taking up ram unless it's running, and even if it is, it will get reclaimed automatically by the operating system as needed.
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The phone stutters regardless of what rom you use. The EVO 4G is a laggy phone. It is very unimpressive.
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I seem to disagree with u there. My EVO hasnt choked once. Yeah, its a little jittery with LWP running, but without the LWP, my EVO is as smooth as can be. Not one complaint.
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I seem to disagree with u there. My EVO hasnt choked once. Yeah, its a little jittery with LWP running, but without the LWP, my EVO is as smooth as can be. Not one complaint.
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I'm coming from an iphone 3g which had no UI lag. Opening and closing apps took longer though. Scrolling, switching homescreens, and especially scrolling the apps list seems extremely laggy on the Evo..
Try launcher pro if you refuse to root and use the custom roms.
I have virtually zero lag and free memory is always over 200 mb
I'll agree, I just came from an iPhone 3gs and one of the first things I noticed was that the Evo wasn't as smooth. I really like the OS but the scrolling needs to be fixed.
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Hell... I came from an iphone 2G and it scrolls smoother than my evo.
I really think it's the refresh rate.
I had a Nexus One and never noticed the stutter, though some of my iPhone-toting friends did. But the second I updated to Froyo and everything was much faster and more responsive, I could notice how much slower scrolling and switching screens on 2.1 devices was. It's just a matter of what you're used to.
I get some stuttering when scrolling. My Hero (which I still have) doesn't do this. Strange thing is that sometimes I do not see this stuttering and it's smooth as butter. My thought is that something in the background is running and eating up CPU time.
Live wallpapers seem to make a huge difference in how smooth and regular the touch screen refreshes (like scrolling). I don't have big problems with preinstalled live wallpapers by Android and HTC, but when using most downloaded live wallpapers, the difference is noticable - for example, Galactic Core and RedEye Scanner live wallpapers make scrolling noticeably choppier.
This doesn't seem to happen as much with Nexus One I have access to. I think it might the combination of the 30fps cap and the Sense UI.
Well my plan now is to wait until the iPhone 4 is jailbroken. If the evo's stutter is fixed to the point that it is like other android phones, I'll buy the evo. Of not, I'll get the iPhone unless there's a new option on sprint or AT&T.
I should say that I don't buy that the stutter is due to the 30fps cap. I know what 30fps looks like. The scroll stutter/lag hurts useability. A smooth 30fps wouldn't.
It doesn't stutter unless your running certain live wallpapers. If you use a regular wallpaper there is no stuttering. This is not a problem with EVO as I had same problem on my Nexus but after the update to froyo everything was silky smooth even with live wallpapers. So my suggestion is if it bothers you just use a regular wallpaper until froyo drops on the EVO.
I just came from an IP4 if that matters,
1.first thing, the speaker quality is not all that when Im watching a youtube vid or just a video I can barely hear it, music sounds good though...weird.
2.Phone call quality is very under par for me, sometimes I can barely hear the person on the other line, its very low, not sure if its just me.
3.I could have swore my first N1 was faster then this one I have know and I though 2.2 was supposed to be really quick? It just seems choppy, everything from the home screens to web browsing to the app store, just seems choppy...
Thats about it, I can live with it but I dont remember the N1 being like this...
Maybe you should Root and install a good ROM and install Launcher Pro or ADW launcher!
some people have that choppy scrolling, not sure why. try installing launcher pro, its free, its smooooth as can be. but that's for your homescreens. the browser is typically very smooth for me, but certain web pages, like web 2.0 html, are a little choppy for some reason (such as the new skin on this forum. switch back to old and look at the difference!!).
when you are watching a video, cup your hand so the sound bounces off your hand and toward you rather than just blaring out the back side of the phone... obviously you will have trouble hearing it then...
Laucher pro fixes almost EVERYTHING
solidkevin said:
I just came from an IP4 if that matters,
1.first thing, the speaker quality is not all that when Im watching a youtube vid or just a video I can barely hear it, music sounds good though...weird.
2.Phone call quality is very under par for me, sometimes I can barely hear the person on the other line, its very low, not sure if its just me.
3.I could have swore my first N1 was faster then this one I have know and I though 2.2 was supposed to be really quick? It just seems choppy, everything from the home screens to web browsing to the app store, just seems choppy...
Thats about it, I can live with it but I dont remember the N1 being like this...
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Get Cyan 6.0, remove ADW launcher, install Launcher Pro and enjoooooooy....
also try to wipe your cache in recovery... once my n1 gets a lil choppy or sluggish i go into my recovery and wipe my cache and it speeds and smooths out again.. i use it tremendously so i kinda have to do it often
johnnie93 said:
Maybe you should Root and install a good ROM and install Launcher Pro or ADW launcher!
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You don't need root to install those.
DarkDvr said:
Get Cyan 6.0, remove ADW launcher, install Launcher Pro and enjoooooooy....
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How do you remove ADW launcher?
solidkevin said:
I just came from an IP4 if that matters,
1.first thing, the speaker quality is not all that when Im watching a youtube vid or just a video I can barely hear it, music sounds good though...weird.
2.Phone call quality is very under par for me, sometimes I can barely hear the person on the other line, its very low, not sure if its just me.
3.I could have swore my first N1 was faster then this one I have know and I though 2.2 was supposed to be really quick? It just seems choppy, everything from the home screens to web browsing to the app store, just seems choppy...
Thats about it, I can live with it but I dont remember the N1 being like this...
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1. Embedded sound in a video has its own volume, which might be low. Also, try watching high quality videos - the speaker is better at high frequencies, and in low quality they're the ones that get cut.
2. Something with your phone, maybe? Try installing a ROM with kernel that includes audio hack. I can't keep my call volume on 100%, it bursts my ears even in very noisy environment.
3. Wipe everything, install Launcher Pro, and try again.
If you still don't like it after that - then sell it.
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also try to wipe your cache in recovery... once my n1 gets a lil choppy or sluggish i go into my recovery and wipe my cache and it speeds and smooths out again.. i use it tremendously so i kinda have to do it often
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Right but his phone is brand new. I've experienced his issue first hand. I first flashed froyo, and the scrolling home screens was choppy as hell, not smooth at all. Launcher pro fixed it. But Google did something with froyo cause it doesn't always seen as smooth as it used to be.
However right now my phone is running superb, smooth scrolling every where, 55 fps easily
I've spent a good amount of time with the iPhone 4. I definitely prefer my Nexus, but here's the painful truth: The iPhone is smoother when it comes to scrolling. Sorry guys, it's just how it is.
You can make the Nexus smoother by using launcher pro or ADW launcher (ADW is smoother IMO), and load a fast rom like Cyanogen 6. It still will be a little choppier than the iPhone, though.
Android and iOS have a very different look & feel. Android does many things better, and is more capable, but iOS still has the advantage in terms of performance consistency & polish.
As a iPhone to Android switcher, it's just something you have to accept. In time, you'll get used to Android's look & feel, and then in all liklihood, you'll start to prefer it like I have.
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I've spent a good amount of time with the iPhone 4. I definitely prefer my Nexus, but here's the painful truth: The iPhone is smoother when it comes to scrolling. Sorry guys, it's just how it is.
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Yup. I remember even seeing an Android OS developer say it is because iOS uses the GPU to handle those effects but Android uses software to rendering scrolling and other animations. When people got pissed off about that (we have GPUs, so why aren't they being used) he said it would be really hard to do on Android because they need to support a wide variety of devices.
I'm not sure why they couldn't just have an optimized code path for devices with the proper hardware. Hopefully it does actually get fixed at some point, but the fact that it hasn't been fixed yet makes me a bit doubtful.
I use LauncherPro like most other people here, but that's still not as flawlessly smooth as iOS dashboard scrolling, and it also doesn't fix scrolling in other areas such as ListViews.
solidkevin said:
I just came from an IP4 if that matters,
1.first thing, the speaker quality is not all that when Im watching a youtube vid or just a video I can barely hear it, music sounds good though...weird.
2.Phone call quality is very under par for me, sometimes I can barely hear the person on the other line, its very low, not sure if its just me.
3.I could have swore my first N1 was faster then this one I have know and I though 2.2 was supposed to be really quick? It just seems choppy, everything from the home screens to web browsing to the app store, just seems choppy...
Thats about it, I can live with it but I dont remember the N1 being like this...
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my phone quality is fantastic. That is what I noticed first was the clear strong phone. True the speaker could be better but it's funny sometimes different videos or songs will be very loud as to how it was downloaded to begin with. I listen to music thru my ear phones and find it top quality sound. To Me the Nexus one is still the best android device made.
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Yup. I remember even seeing an Android OS developer say it is because iOS uses the GPU to handle those effects but Android uses software to rendering scrolling and other animations. When people got pissed off about that (we have GPUs, so why aren't they being used) he said it would be really hard to do on Android because they need to support a wide variety of devices.
I'm not sure why they couldn't just have an optimized code path for devices with the proper hardware. Hopefully it does actually get fixed at some point, but the fact that it hasn't been fixed yet makes me a bit doubtful.
I use LauncherPro like most other people here, but that's still not as flawlessly smooth as iOS dashboard scrolling, and it also doesn't fix scrolling in other areas such as ListViews.
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I agree there are certain parts of the UI that are not as smooth. But when I really sit down to compare its not as different as one might think.
So launcher pro easily seems to be smooth when using regular wallpaper, no live wallpaper, its gotta be hitting 50 fps.
Some lists have a choppy feel, but most actually do not. The settings list for example is smooth. But a list like the market is not, even after you allow the items to cache the data as it downloads. My point is I guess that really in the parts of the UI that ARE smooth, I feel its just as smooth as my ipod touch. It easily hits 50 fps in those parts of the UI and the home screens via launcher pro.
Google's official statement on their developer site is the android OS target is 60 fps. And they give examples showing that they are hitting 45 fps in first gen devices like the g1, and 55 fps in second gen devices like the nexus.
The web browser is another one. Most pages I visit scroll very smooth, easily hitting 45 fps. But certain pages with web 2.0 skins, like this forum's new theme, are choppy.
If you have a working build environment you should be able to see the fps in different UI parts of the OS. The adreno gpu isn't the best, but it definitely should be able to handle basic UI elements like what we see throughout android, and certain parts ARE optimized for smooth scrolling. The parts that aren't I guess could be a limitation of the gpu. But when I see certain web pages and lists that ARE smooth, I have to wonder if and why the choppy parts are just not optimized.
But the end of the day, when I see launcher pro sooth as butter hitting 50 fps, it makes me happy with this phone knowing it can do smooth scrolling, and maybe the not as smooth parts just weren't given as much attention in coding.
I put my third gen ipod touch next to my nexus, and most of the time they really do match each other. So I'm happy
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?
I don't know what you did but the G2 is incrediblly snappy for me. No lags at all. I'm even playing some heavy duty games, like Asphalt (racing game) and I do not notice any lags at all.
thats what i was expecting too, i dint do anything to my g2 is out of the back from the store
flash comes pre-installed.
Have you tried rebooting?
What are your linpack scores?
I too find G2 a bit choppy (after playing with my friend's iPhone4) but I think that's just the way Android is. It can do so much more but we have to sacrifice some smoothness in return. Seems to lag a bit more on home screens. Browser, maps, other apps are just fine.
Also, with Android 2.2, you have to use a phone for a while for it to achieve it's full potential. Something about JIT getting better over the time.
I had the same thing happen to me after i put my work email through microsoft exchange active sync. i ended up putting the check email frequency to never cause i always check it every morning and night to reply and that seemed to clear up that issue. it might be a bug with microsoft exchange active sync or the email app itself. hope that helps.
Honestly after the G1 I didn't believe android could run without lag, but my G2 never lags at all. Well maybe twice I've noticed a tiny second of lag coming back to the home screen but that's it. That being said, one of my friends got a g2 too and his is a little laggy here and there... gotta be particular apps/widgets causing issues in my opinion... with him in particular I think its the anyRSS widget, but I could be wrong of course. I love this phone
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obelisk282 said:
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
one more thing, is it possible to add touch focus to the camera and video recording?
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Laggy? No, not at all. Not even a little bit. Nope. Whoosh, eat my dust iPhone. Uh, you don't have to install flash, it is preloaded...you could turn it off. Must be something wrong with your trying to run on ATT.
Sent from my T-Mobile G2
My g1 and my g2 BOTH lag blatantly when connected to cheap third party power cords fyi. They work fine on decent power cords, but glitch on the made-in-china, 3 chargers for 99 cents adapter cords.
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The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.
Set flash to "on demand."
Overall I have no lag. when i first got mine (oct 6) there was a delay when i tried to scroll the app drawer. The issues has a since disappear. This thing is snappy and blazing fast.
I think he might be referring to the "smoothness". Unfortunately all android phones have a tendency to stutter when scrolling.
There is no 2D graphics acceleration in the UI, as google did not want to have issues with the older 528mhz phones. Hopefully this will be resolved in 3.0.
The newer faster phones (Like the G2) can hide this with their raw CPU performance, but occasionally if its multitasking or doing something else it will stutter/lag. For now, Windows Phone 7, and iPhone's will always be "smoother". Until we get some decent UI acceleration .
ransu said:
The g2 certainly lags in the browser. On more complex webpages the scrolling is not very smooth at all. Load up a flash heavy site and its really bad. I find It really hard to control flash players and stuff. You have to zoom way in to get any buttons to register like on myspace music.
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do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"
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do you have adobe flash 10.1 installed? Keep it on your phone internal memory not sdcard. If you are running stock browser or Xscope or skyfire (or even fennec) just clear the caches regularly. Otherwise there is no reason why the phone should be lagging. Also in settings, set flash player to "on demand" not "always"
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I'm actually talking with flash off though and comparing the g2 side by side a captivate. So android's ui is not hardware accelerated but the galaxy s phones are able to totally mask that. Its not a big difference but a shame that the g2 processor doesn't keep up with the hummingbird. Now someone could explain to me that its because we are running 2.2 but I thought it was actually supposed to be faster than 2.1.
my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.
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my phone is fast. there is a difference between lag and choppiness. lag is when there is a delay between when you tell the phone to do something and when it does it. choppiness is a lack of smoothness in scrolling. some apps are more choppy than than others. like the stock music app is way too choppy when scrolling lists. the browser is choppy. the contacts list is pretty smooth. but in terms of lag, I don't have any lag.
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Yeah that makes sense. My captivate is not choppy in the browser at all and my g2 is slightly choppy. It seriously makes me sad.
obelisk282 said:
i just got my tmobile g2 and after putting my email in and unlocking it for my att sim, i feel like is a little bit choppy. the scrolling in the web browser (i dint even install flash) and the responsiveness of the buttons, it doesn't feel as snappy as the the iphone 4. i remember when i was using the n1 with 2.2 a while back is a bit smoother. is it because i been using the iphone for too long? or is it because its preloaded with too much app? i don't think thats the case since the android rom it self is stock. will the smoothness of the ui improves when you put in a different rom when permit root is possible in the future?
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I think most of the Web browser choppiness is due to the fact your use At&t network for browsing on the G2 which will only get you slow speeds since it can't use At&t's 3G. This would be expected. Try wifi and see if you still have the choppiness. I don't know about your button issue though.
The more I use this.. the More i realize that Archos needs some majoy fixes coming soon.. The performance on Android 2.2 is actually pretty bad. I think 2.1 ran better.. I can't do more than 2 tabs at a time in the browser. if I do 3 I get mad lag and freezing and often leads to complete freeze if one has flash on it.. Last night it rebooted twice on me after freezing on simple flash sites like Engadget.. My G1 ran better to be honest. Yea it didn't have flash. but my G1 ran better.
At first I was liking 2.2 and it seemed pretty good. but constantly killing tasks trying to keep performance good is getting old. yea yea 256mb ram. People keep saying this, but the Original Droid runs great compared to this. They have pretty similar hardware.. I sure hope root, and a custom rom comes out soon, that or Archos updates 2.2 and actually ENABLES the JIT Compiler and other things this time. cuz performance is slower on 2.2 than on 2.1
I wanna keep this, but I don't at the same time. lol
From what some people with insider information are saying, there will be an update soon. I think they released froyo because they said they would and not because they thought it was perfect. Still have hope something good is coming. Actually I find that the device runs quite ok even though I have to use the task killer very often.
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LauncherPro completely eliminated the response lag for me, and I haven't needed to run a kill since I installed it.
There are only two important settings to optimize performance in the Menu->Preferences. In the General Setting, check "Keep in memory". In the Advanced Settings->Memory Usage Settings, set the 'Memory usage preset' to 'High'.
The device is now faster than it was in 2.1. Archos should be shipping this launcher instead of the default (or properly tune the default launcher).
macemoneta said:
LauncherPro completely eliminated the response lag for me, and I haven't needed to run a kill since I installed it.
There are only two important settings to optimize performance in the Menu->Preferences. In the General Setting, check "Keep in memory". In the Advanced Settings->Memory Usage Settings, set the 'Memory usage preset' to 'High'.
The device is now faster than it was in 2.1. Archos should be shipping this launcher instead of the default (or properly tune the default launcher).
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Agreed I am using ADW Launcher and it is now buttery smooth. - Edit: It completed froze up on me several times since then and I have since removed ADW, it was great for responsiveness and scrolling but it was eating memory like crazy.
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From what some people with insider information are saying, there will be an update soon. I think they released froyo because they said they would and not because they thought it was perfect. Still have hope something good is coming. Actually I find that the device runs quite ok even though I have to use the task killer very often.
i noticed major issues with my archos 28 and 43.the problem was because i installed the Google market from archos fans.its cool and all but i erased it and restored them.they ran near perfect.with market installed i had battery issues and touchscreen issues.if you have market installed and your device is acting up,get rid of market and maybe try again.
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What market installer you use?
Zeam Launcher and Performance so far
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Agreed I am using ADW Launcher and it is now buttery smooth. - Edit: It completed froze up on me several times since then and I have since removed ADW, it was great for responsiveness and scrolling but it was eating memory like crazy.
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I have since swiched to Zeam Launcher and I love the drawer, and have not had to kill any processes yet. I may have found a winner!
Try doing a full wipe and reinstall. I was having charging issues and did the full wipe and it not only fixed my charging issue, but it sped the whole thing up (even w/out z4root) ad its been far more stable too.
It does that for me too. Much faster and smoother after a full wipe. Runs perfect now with very rare issues of freezing... I was having much more issues beforehand, even z4root not rooting (Which might have been because of app2sd).
All my apps are on the tiny 300MB space now...
Yup me too. Ut is really snappy without even being rooted.
Did a quadrant without root - got 860.
Rooted - 1019.
No lag and no issues on my 70.
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Agreed I am using ADW Launcher and it is now buttery smooth. - Edit: It completed froze up on me several times since then and I have since removed ADW, it was great for responsiveness and scrolling but it was eating memory like crazy.
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I have since swiched to Zeam Launcher and I love the drawer, and have not had to kill any processes yet. I may have found a winner!
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Two days in and still really happy with Zeam. I even removed z4 and set CPU completely from my 101.
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Yup me too. Ut is really snappy without even being rooted.
Did a quadrant without root - got 860.
Rooted - 1019.
No lag and no issues on my 70.
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with the new beta firmware the quadrant result is up for 25 %
Ive got the 101 with 2.2 but Im getting ready to sell it off. Im just not happy with it and even IF custom ROMs and perm rooting happens, the limitation of the app storage and 256 RAM is a killer for me. I thought it would perform ok and for some I guess it does but it isnt living up to me standards.
Maybe the G-Tab or Adam will be better
Yea im not sure what i think anymore. I was loving it for a day or 2.
Ive been running LP n it made scrolling better, but thats all. I feel like overall stock is better.
ive been having even more major problems after writing that post. Now archos tv out, music, and video widgets all crash on startup and FC if i try to open them. It has froze completely 4 times tonight. Restarted 3 on its own. Browser cant handle more than 2 tabs.. i just wiped my device back to stock once again. For now things seem pretty good. Ill give it a few days stock n see. But been smooth the last hour or so
Im seriously considering selling it and getting a like new Galaxy Tab. The G was decent, and the N Ink is unproven n not even shown its hardware in a while.. but i have high hopes. Well see. I do agree froyo was not ready n needs some serious work. Archos needs a update asap
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with the new beta firmware the quadrant result is up for 25 %
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Beta Firmware?
Yes, there are a few people that do beta testing.
And i can confirm that without root and setcpu we are now arount 1400-1500.
fzelle said:
Yes, there are a few people that do beta testing.
And i can confirm that without root and setcpu we are now arount 1400-1500.
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Great news! Hopefully it is working at least as good as the 1.0.84 (no SMB and WPA2 wifi issues)
Issues keeping me from loving it (I think these are all pretty common):
No access to the files on my WHS except via UPnP (SMB Folder Empty issue)
Graphical lock no longer shows green lines (it does unlock though)
WIFI occasionally quits until I stop/restart it
Flash is slower than dirt and causes Dolphin HD to FC a lot (I ended up uninstalling flash)
General lagginess unless I constantly kill tasks
WHS seems to have an authorisation problem, as with every linux box smb seems to work flawlessly ( as with my buffalo Mini ).
As there is no official Flash you can only have one that was designed for another device, so that explains a little.
I personaly have only seen the remark from archos that they have a hw accelerated version in a certification process by adobe.
And the rest might be already fixed, if i would know anything or could talk about it.
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WHS seems to have an authorisation problem, as with every linux box smb seems to work flawlessly ( as with my buffalo Mini ).
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Yeah, the issue is that Archos doesn't give you a way to specify the username/password combination to use to connect to the SMB server. I bet if I turned on guest access to my WHS it would work, but I'd prefer not to do that...