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i guess i did a warranty job and the phone got sent to my old adress and thing is i dont live there anymore and i told them so they refunded me momney so i wouldnt have to pay them back and they sent me another phone for free. anyways i go back to my old house just to say hi to friends and stuff and i see that my phone that they sent was there its a 8525 so now i have an extra 8525 can they track it down if i use it ?
They could if they really wanted to. But do you think they'll go through all that trouble just for you ? lol Doubt it...
i work for att... so Mike we know now....
lol i was just saying shogun im not actually saying it happened more like a wat if
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lol i was just saying shogun im not actually saying it happened more like a wat if
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but if you will be more than happy to ship it to me i will pretend it never happened
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i guess i did a warranty job and the phone got sent to my old adress and thing is i dont live there anymore and i told them so they refunded me momney so i wouldnt have to pay them back and they sent me another phone for free. anyways i go back to my old house just to say hi to friends and stuff and i see that my phone that they sent was there its a 8525 so now i have an extra 8525 can they track it down if i use it ?
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So you ordered a phone, and initially thought it never came. Then you called and said, "Hey, where's that phone?" They said, "Sorry. We'll send another one."
Now you are basically saying, "Thanks AT&T for being so helpful and sending me a replacement phone. Now that you were so helpful, I will keep both phones and really give you the shaft for being honest."
Having two phones, you now wonder if you can get in trouble. Well, let me put it this way: if AT&T was to find out you have both phones, they might think you lied to them in an attempt to steal a phone from them. Most people and most businesses wouldn't respond too well to this.
The ethical thing to do is exactly what your question asks when reading between the lines: Should I keep what doesn't belong to me?
If you have to ask, you probably already know the answer.
Whatever...I worked for at&t for a year...nothing ethical about that company. I say keep it and be happy.
Answer is yes they could find out whos SIM is in the phone with that IMEI... Unless you use that program floating around and change the IMEI haha.
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lol i was just saying shogun im not actually saying it happened more like a wat if
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"More like a wat if"?
Strange, because you've offered to sell this phone to another member here already. You might want to get your story straight before Mark comes knocking on your door looking for his "kickback".
Isn't that like stealing more than half a thousand dollars?
I mean, Don't get me wrong, but you could let them know you moved, so they can send the phone to the right place.
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You might want to get your story straight before Mark comes knocking on your door looking for his "kickback".
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Im on it
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Whatever...I worked for at&t for a year...nothing ethical about that company. I say keep it and be happy.
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You're probably right. But at the same time, is it worth the trouble and worry? Even if AT&T isn't ethical, does that mean you shouldn't? It's all about how you want to live your life.
if your thinking of buying a droid x and rooting it then think again http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010/07/14/droid-x-actually-self-destructs-if-you-try-to-mod-it/ . if you dont care to root it then disregard this. if you try to even root it you will brick it!?!?!? why would they do that????
If you'd rather not support your product if someone else meddles with it, that's totally fine. Void their warranties; don't kill your own product to spite them.
You are not inventors. You are profiteers afraid of people, at home, doing what you do better than you.
And maybe you should be.
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- Mark Wilson [email protected]
They're using open source software and afraid of the open source community doing what they do better than they do it.
Shame on Moto, good thing I love Htc anyways.
I r n00b.
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Just saw that on reddit. That's nasty..q
Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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Well if HTC starts doing that, then you can bet Android be screwed over because no one is going to buy them anymore. So the companies that decide to do crap like this are just screwing themselves over.
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Wonder when HTC will try doing this. :-/
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The same week I buy an iPhone.
illogic6 said:
The same week I buy an iPhone.
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That's like trading one jail cell for another.
dam that rly sucks, but im sure they will figure out ways around it
subcypher said:
That's like trading one jail cell for another.
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It is fairly easy to jailbreak an iphone these days... my dad jailbroke his 3gs a few days after he got it and he is the guy who's VCR always flashed 12:00...
It's all fear mongering. It's the same protection as Milestone devices and the Droid. All of them have the OMAP3 eFuse.
Look up Steven Bird's blog (I can't post links yet) he explains it. Said that it's more than likely not to brick the phone. He's got donations up and going now to try and get one to test it himself.
Yup, this FUD has been debunked. Enough with the eFuse DROID X Talk Already
The response from Motorola was that it wouldn't "brick" the phone, but if the efuse was triggered it would render the phone unusable until it was repaired with motorola software. Which pretty much means the folks here at XDA will likely find a way around the efuse without too much trouble
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The response from Motorola was that it wouldn't "brick" the phone, but if the efuse was triggered it would render the phone unusable until it was repaired with motorola software. Which pretty much means the folks here at XDA will likely find a way around the efuse without too much trouble
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I bet someone will leak the "motorola software" just like the RUU's have been leaked from HTC.
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I bet someone will leak the "motorola software" just like the RUU's have been leaked from HTC.
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Or they could, I dunno, download it from Motorola's site. Really, all they're doing is a checksum and giving you the opportunity to flash an RUU if they don't match. No Moto repair required.
Wow Motorola, way to go... u just scared off about 3/4 of u'r customers right there. Talk about BS limiting a user on what he/she is able to load on to HIS/HER own phone. Ridiculous!
It's not FUD. It may not "brick" the phone, but it's another attempt to stop the end user, the person that legally purchased the phone, from tinkering with it. Just as the quote I posted above says, they're not inventors. They are profiteers afraid of people, at home, doing what they do better than them.
My friend and I had this conversation the other day. He stated that Sprint has a right to protect their network and any phone they sell you with a discount for buying a plan. He is correct, to a point. Sprint doesn't want us using our phones for more than they give us (despite claims of "unlimited" data) because they have to protect their profit margins. They also don't want us tinkering with our phones because we, tinkerers, could break them. Insurance doesn't cover "tinkering". Sprint is taking a huge up-front hit by selling us the phone as cheap as they do but they recoup that cost by locking us into 2-year contracts. They need to keep us in those contracts to turn a profit. So, I feel they have a right to protect that until the contract is up.
Or, on the other hand, those that purchase their phones outright, without contracts and without subsidies, should have the right to tinker all they like... including the consequences.
E-fuse, what?
I still don't believe it was FUD because of the reasons I mentioned above, but it was successfully bypassed.
EDIT: The e-fuse wasn't bypassed. They got root, which isn't watched by the e-fuse. Putting a new ROM on the phone would, though. Getting root is a start, though, and should allow them to figure out how the e-fuse works. Then I'm sure they can bypass it. It'll just take some more time.
Droid X Rooted
Like there was any doubt! Devs > Motorola
IRT this article:
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-sour...r-android-becoming-a-political-liability/7588
Just wondering about T-Mobile's stance in essentially going against this by openly preventing customization of the OS, if this is enforceable and if they are in fact in violation of anything at this point. Thoughts?
Is this something that could lead to a class-action lawsuit..? Just curious. Looked and didn't see if there were any other threads related to this issue.. if there is, sorry for the redundancy.
Hate to be an the apologist here, but I just don't see how this is T-Mobile's fault.
That claim could have passed a month-two ago, but now we have the Desire HD and Desire Z which have similar/same protections yet are unbranded, simfree HTC devices. It definitely seems like this was more of an HTC idea that T-Mobile embraced.
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Hate to be an the apologist here, but I just don't see how this is T-Mobile's fault.
That claim could have passed a month-two ago, but now we have the Desire HD and Desire Z which have similar/same protections yet are unbranded, simfree HTC devices. It definitely seems like this was more of an HTC idea that T-Mobile embraced.
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Agreed.
Overall this isn't T-Mo's fault and we shouldn't be pointing the finger at them. HTC is the culprit. It will be interesting to see if anything comes of this.
My original understanding of this "agreement" was that Apple/Microsoft/Google couldn't sue the people that jailbroke/rooted/hacked the phones. Meaning, the jailbreakers of the iPhone could literally parade in front of Job's face that "Hey, I am the one who created the jailbreak software" and Apple couldn't sue them. I didn't think the "agreement" had anything to do with companies preventing such customizations. Maybe I just missed it.
I would much rather see these eFuse type chips and what not go away. I understand that root shouldn't be a push button option but a few hours of work by a smart dev should be enough of a deterrent from your avg joe to prevent random bricks.
I agree with what is above - this is in no way T-Mobile's fault. Also, this is a repost as well.
have you guys ever heard "you are the company you keep" or "aiding and abetting" or "accessory to...." bottom line t-mobile has their name branded on the phone and in the phone. they knew about this sh*t so they are just as responsible. trust me i've had my run in's with the law a couple of time to know how technical stuff like this gets.
t-mobile knew what was in the phone when they received it and even before so why shouldn't they be held just as responsible. If my name and signature is on a product I sell and endorse then why shouldn't I be held responsible? Its common sense
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t-mobile has responsibilities for any t-mobile branded phone
I have faith the G2 will be fully rooted, in spite of HTC and/or T-Mobile.....HTC really pulled a Motorola on this one (trying to lock the phone up)....I have no doubt that if t-mobile pushed HTC an easy root solution could easily be forthcoming, but T-mobile is just playing the 'not my fault' bs game....
I have to be content knowing the G2 is the best Android phone currently on the market, and that the dev community will defeat root (once radio/hboot is fully dealt with....)....at least VISIONARY temp root allows easy wireless tether and Titanium in the meantime....
Its wrong. As soon as you buy something and becomes yours nobody should tell you how to use it or what to use it for. If I buy a phone to wipe my ass that shouldn't be tmobiles bussines. All they should be worried about is to sell phones and give services, but forbidding ppl to do what they want with what's theirs its very very wrong....and idiotic
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have you guys ever heard "you are the company you keep" or "aiding and abetting" or "accessory to...." bottom line t-mobile has their name branded on the phone and in the phone. they knew about this sh*t so they are just as responsible. trust me i've had my run in's with the law a couple of time to know how technical stuff like this gets.
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All they did was slap their name on something HTC created. You can't tell me you actually hold T-Mo responsible for something they didn't engineer? If they knew about it and didn't like it what do you think HTC would have done? Gone to ATT or switched it to a CDMA radio... oh wait they already basically have a copy cat coming out for Verizon. HTC can deal without selling through T-Mo. They'll survive.
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t-mobile knew what was in the phone when they received it and even before so why shouldn't they be held just as responsible. If my name and signature is on a product I sell and endorse then why shouldn't I be held responsible? Its common sense
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You're common sense misleads you.
If you think T-Mo really has ANY influence over HTC you are mistaken. HTC sells through all 4 of the major carriers. They would just take their "G2" somewhere else. Blame the person that engineered the phone not the carrier to prints their name on it and throws a SIM card in it.
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Its wrong. As soon as you buy something and becomes yours nobody should tell you how to use it or what to use it for. If I buy a phone to wipe my ass that shouldn't be tmobiles bussines. All they should be worried about is to sell phones and give services, but forbidding ppl to do what they want with what's theirs its very very wrong....and idiotic
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One problem...
There is a pesky thing called a warranty. If T-Mo/HTC provide a warranty, which they do, then they are obligated to fix/exchange a phone which cannot perform for its intended use. So if you bought a phone, rooted it, and royally F'ed it up because you are stupid and don't know what you are going you could then take it back to T-Mo and say it doesn't do what I bought it for and they would be obligated to fix it/provide a working one.
Consequently, to ensure as few people as possible root it they locked it down with this read-only NAND. They are protecting their arse.
Do I agree with it? No but I understand why they do what they do.
Warranty exchanges costs HTC money... so they want to ensure that as few warranty claims as possible are related to idiots doing something they shouldn't be or don't comprehend what they are doing.
It's a money game... nothing more nothing less.
@superfly u must work for tmobile and they must pay you good. Tmobile just cares about their damn money and sales. This ain't volunteer work for hurricane HTC. They are paid to sell the damn phones. Nobody put a gun to their head and told them to sell it. They are in it all the way even if all they did was slap their name on it. It officially states "hey I'm endorsing this product and all it comes with" endorsement comes with being held equally responsible. Just like in elections whatever one person in the party does that messes things up could ruin the whole party therefore everyone is held responsible even if they were on vacation when it happened. Here in the military that I'm in, its called accountability. There's no way of arguing your way out of something you are in ties with because it obviously has your imprints all over it. Simple as that
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My dear brown nose friend Superfly:
IF tmobile cant handle that then they should close the company. Im sorry. I do as i please with what i paid for.Warranty only covers some things "which most of the time covers nothing" If i decide to wipe my ass with it then warranty wont cover it, if i decide to root it and brick it warranty wont cover it as simple as that...but then again i should do as i please with what is mine. We all know they could care less about you effin up your phone, all they want is being able to control what kind of os you got and bla bla bla only for sales porpuses.
When T-mo put thier name on it, they take all responsibility that comes with it.
First off, the article is trying to put blame on google... I just want to know how they cam e around to that. It feels like such a biased article. And how come there's no mention of Apple's practices? Or mentions of RIM? On top of that, it's already been said that this "rootkit" is bunked. Security measures are for the safety of the phone, usually. Why do they need to lock out the phone? You can cause a lot of havoc on the network with root access. (in fact, I kinda remember reading about an app that did just that when installed on rooted phones) It's in the interest of the customers to actually provide these security features. Just because we, as the technically inclined, get it, doesn't mean the average user should be punished.
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@superfly u must work for tmobile and they must pay you good.
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I work for a public accounting firm and I'm a CPA... want to try again?
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Tmobile just cares about their damn money and sales. This ain't volunteer work for hurricane HTC. They are paid to sell the damn phones.
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They make their money providing service for the phones they sell...
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Nobody put a gun to their head and told them to sell it. They are in it all the way even if all they did was slap their name on it.
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This is just silly. T-Mo might exchange handsets but all the costs end up back on HTC depending on their agreement.
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It officially states "hey I'm endorsing this product and all it comes with" endorsement comes with being held equally responsible.
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Again, do you think they had any part in the dev of the phone?
nighthawk626 said:
Just like in elections whatever one person in the party does that messes things up could ruin the whole party therefore everyone is held responsible even if they were on vacation when it happened. Here in the military that I'm in, its called accountability. There's no way of arguing your way out of something you are in ties with because it obviously has your imprints all over it. Simple as that
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Really? it's that simple?
So does Verizon, T-Mo, AT&T and Sprint take the fall for the Galaxy S debacle? They all have the same issue and all the customers are pissed off for the same reason so it is the carrier's fault? No, it is Samsung's fault. The fault lies with the person who made the phone and the software on the phone. Samsung should be held accountable for their failure of a phone... just like HTC should be held accountable if they are indeed in violation of this accord.
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My dear brown nose friend Superfly:
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I have 0 loyalties to T-Mo. This is actually the first T-Mo phone I've owned. In the past 3 years I've moved from VZW to ATT to Sprint to VZW to T-Mo. I don't give a crap about any carrier specifically. Moving on.
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IF tmobile cant handle that then they should close the company.
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Handle what exactly?
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Im sorry. I do as i please with what i paid for. Warranty only covers some things "which most of the time covers nothing" If i decide to wipe my ass with it then warranty wont cover it, if i decide to root it and brick it warranty wont cover it as simple as that...but then again i should do as i please with what is mine.
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And what happens when someone roots their phone and takes it back and whines and biotches until they get a replacement? People abuse the warranty system which is why things are so tight these days. I don't disagree with your position, I wish I could basically "one click root" on day 0. It would be sweet but that's not the way the world is.
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We all know they could care less about you effin up your phone, all they want is being able to control what kind of os you got and bla bla bla only for sales porpuses.
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Only for sales purposes? There are 100 other reasons for control over the content besides "sales". What does "sales" even include?
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When T-mo put thier name on it, they take all responsibility that comes with it.
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Bull... I completely disagree with this. If their customizations caused problems then yes it is their fault but just because their put their name on it doesn't make it their fault. HTC designed, manufactured and marketed the phone... T-Mo printed their name on the glass and provided you with service. That's it.
LOL...another "class-action?" thread. Why not take the initiative and start the class action process if you are so curious about it? Speak to a lawyer, read up on the requirements for a class-action suit. I don't think anyone in a forum is gonna actually do that.
For all you people *****in about the locked nand Stop *****in about it yesh. Don't like it get another phone. There are plenty of other phones you can root and such.
Nobody is saying that tmobile made the phone but don't sit there and tell me that when they were picking this phone as part of their lineup, they didn't play with it or even look at it at all. Bottom line is they knew what was in the phone, I'm sure they were hoping the hinge issue wouldn't blow up like it did and also they knew about rooting and tethering some that's why I'm sure they continued to put it in their line up. It wasn't just tossed on their lap. They have phone testers and possibly hired rooters and devs to test how rootable this phone is. Either way they are accountable
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Bull crap. Ill buy the phone i want and root the phone i want because i want. Point blank
Nobody has forbidden anyone to root this phone. They made it hard to do and they put up a very clever stumbling block, but they didn't forbid it.
You can crack the phone open and look at every part of it, nobody will stop you, but they don't have to put a button on the side that makes it fall apart so that you can do it easily.
Similarly, if the community figures out the mechanism used to protect the ROM, then you can root it and install the software you want, but that doesn't mean the manufacturer or carrier are required to make it easy for you to do so.
The zdnet article cites the recent DMCA exclusion as meaning that we have the right to put whatever software we want on the phone. That exclusion provided no such right. It says that the federal courts will not prosecute us for defeating electronic protections in the phone - it doesn't make it illegal for the manufacturers to put those protections in the phone in the first place.
It's like a law limiting the penalties for jumping a fence - such a law wouldn't make fences themselves illegal. In fact, such a law would likely lead to fences that are harder to jump since the property owners could no longer rely on threat of prosecution to keep people from trying. Similarly, the DMCA exclusion is leading to electronic protections that are harder to crack because they are now the only line of defense.
Also, if they sold you a general computing device, but restricted the software you could put on it, then we would have a right to complain because a device isn't a very general computing device if it only runs canned software. Unfortunately, T-Mobile sold us a phone and the phone has to make calls primarily, and a smartphone further should provide some data access for the phone and, nowadays, the ability to install apps through a designed mechanism. There is nothing about the class of device that we were sold that implies the ability to run an arbitrary firmware or system software. They may not be able to stop us from doing that, but they don't have to allow it.
Consider that even in a general computing device, like a PC, there are parts that run software that you cannot modify. The firmware on DVD or Blu-Ray drives tends to be fairly locked down. Nobody cries fowl about that because the DVD/BR drive was sold for the purpose of reading (and sometimes writing) approved discs, not as a general computing device that will run whatever software you choose to load on it...
Gaalaagaa,
So with that logic, you can buy, let's say any car and then just decide that because "you want" or "you can" you'll remove the stock engine and drop in anything you want and then expect the manufacturer to cover it no matter what.
I'm all for root and using my G2 how I please, but that statement is moronic.
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So... my girlfriend decided to spill water on my Droid 2 and thank god It did not have a battery in. I let it dry for a couple days and everything works perfectly fine but it seems that some liquid seeped into the glass screen and when it dried it left blotches that are covering the screen and annoying.
What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?
Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.
You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.
1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.
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You're a real idiot to post this on a public forum. Especially one as well regarded as XDA developers.
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Your might be right damn. Guess I should change my name from komputer freek so it does not match my bill when I call them...Wait. They won't know it's me.
timur525 said:
1.) Slap dat hoe you call your girlfriend.
2.) Think about what you're trying to do(does it seem unfair, retarded, or just downright illegal?).
3.) Get the **** off of XDA.
Frauding cheapo.
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Phone still works perfectly fine. Just a blotched screen. Touch screen is 100 percent effective and nothing else is wrong. A cosmetic issue. Your right, hmm paying full retail for a phone does make me cheap.
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What you are talking about IS considered fraud (as stated above), and XDA does not condone fraud. Please seek advice elsewhere. Thank you.
Besides, they can still tell there was water damage. There is a little dot near the sdcard that should be white with red x's. When it comes in contact with water, it turns completely red. If it does, your warrenty is completely void, even if the phone is bricked.
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Installing rom's voids your wArranty too huh? But anyway, never got to the dot that shows water damage.
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Uh, you're thought process is very wrong. And technically that is fraud.
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So when people brick there phones and send it back like the countless topics have told them on this forum, where is this outlash calling fraud?
did you not have insurance on it?
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did you not have insurance on it?
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In 10 years of owning a cell phone I have never lost, broken or spilled anything on it. So in my case, insurance for the most part would have been a waste. Also, insurance, unless it covers loss, is a fraud within itself.
My friends have never purchased insurance and have just strolled into the stores (VZW) and exchanged for a refurbished make.
But, yes, I should have gotten insurance.
Also, to the people who are claiming fraud, don't throw stones if you live in a glass house.
This is for all other purpose a phone modding/hacking forum. For god sakes there are stickies saying how to activate wireless tether for free.
Now to the butthurt people above me, I sure hope you are not using any of those patches or tether apps because "THAT IS FRAUD".
Examples :
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Try using the wireless tether for root users on the market
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Illegal. You should pay VZW to provide you with the 3G hotspot tether app or wifi tethering. But yet you are telling people to use the free one, huh?
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According to some things that I have read, your Droid 1 needs to be running Cyanogenmod 6 in order for it to pick up Ad Hoc networks, which is what your Droid 2 puts out. If it is running that then everything I have read points to yes, you can tether the Droid 1 to the Droid 2.
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Hmmm, so when you posted that in another topic, to the original poster, there was no problem to you, with him getting free wifi from his phone without paying?
I don't see why you're trying to defend yourself, what you're doing is commiting fraud, regardless of what you do you will be caught because of the cosmetic issue, now stop coming through the forum acting all high and mighty when you're doing something illegal, we don't want your kind here.
Oh, and voiding your warranty is not the same as commiting fraud, ones illegal, one isnt, now gtfo
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Have you tried a hammer?
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Try getting a replacement. See how u get charged. Then u too can see the light flashing bright yellow to use caution when leaving ur phone in anyplace where liquid may come in contact with it.
Be glad it still works...
Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks
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Look buddy, you can try to justify yourself however you want. The fact is, what your doing is fraud, and you shouldn't be asking people how to brick your device to get a new one. Plan and simple.
About the wireless tethering. I'm almost positive Verizon knows about these forums. They would be stupid if they didn't. Therefor I'm sure they know about the wireless tethering apps out there, THAT ARE ON THE MARKET NO LESS, and yet they don't try to get it shut down so they obviously aren't that worried about it. And don't you think if the wireless tether app was so illegal google would have taken it off the market? The way I look at it, I'm paying for UNLIMITED DATA, why should it matter if I share some with a computer.
Now go ahead and dispute this however you want (I know your going to), but you might as well go somewhere else cause you won't get much help here. Thanks
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OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".
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OH I forgot that law that if someone knows you are doing something and they don't stop you it's OK. That's a new one, is that like the 15th amendment or something?
"Officer it's ok, I told my brother that I was going to rob this bank today at 12:30, he didn't stop me so you have no jurisdiction here".
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Yes well that's interesting logic. Anyways, I'm not going to waste my time here. Good luck with your fraud.
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Stop talking about the people who root their phones and void their warranty that is bad yes, but completely software related. Has nothing to do with the appearence or the general ability of the phone to do all its tasks. As someone said above be glad it is not broken and live with it. Its your own fault it got "ruined".
Also, the market is run by google not verizon so anything posted their is out of Verizons hands. Still illegal and not saying its right but it is much more out of verizons hands.
And to answer your question there is no way to brick your phone to the point of it not working without Verizon noticing. Deal with it.
This thread is out of hand. Stop flaming. This topic probably doesn't break the forum rules, so if you think it's of questionable ethic, don't post, or report it and let the forum mod make the call.
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Speaking of" unlimited data", didn't that turn out to be a lie?
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I'm running stock jf6. Nothing illegal about that. Get on 4chan.
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Voiding Warranty and Fraud
There's nothing illegal or fraudulent about rooting your phone in and of itself, all it does is void the warranty. However, if someone was going to root their phone, then unroot it and send it back to the manufacturer under the warranty, THAT would technically be fraud, but that's completely irrelevant in this case.
Why do you even need to brick it anyway? The spots on your screen seem like enough of a reason to try and get a replacement.
What you tell them of how it actually happened is all on you though.
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What I want to know and do is how to permanently brick my droid 2 and if my thought process is right.
Brick the phone, call VZW, get a next day air replacement, send the brick phone back. Everything ok?
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What this forum needs is a wall of shame thread for posts like these.
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Please sign this petition to put a stop to htc and their locked bootloaders. Takes 5secs. Even if your not getting this phone you should still sign it, so this wont happen to fututure phones.
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
http://www.groubal.com/htc-bootloaders-and-nand/
Already signed and added to sig, thanks.
Signed allredy. Hope in the future we have free Android.
thanks for this. signed up. they just lost a Sensation customer because of this.
Come on people. Hit this up
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this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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That didn't even make sense. Dumbest thing I heard all day. Thanks for the laugh. Anyways back on topic, hit this up.
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this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
I signed the groubal anyway
Signed...................
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In a way, it may be. If you think of it, MOST HTC phones come with locked bootloaders. If you have not seen already, please read:
http://androidforums.com/evo-3d-all...otloader-but-its-big-problem.html#post2725969
I signed the groubal anyway
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Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.
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Yes, its an interresting post. But this concerns mostly (if not only) us the customisers. But the avarage Joe (which is like 99,9% of the sold phones) is happy with the phone as it comes and he doesnt need open or unlocked bootloader or phone. The point is, the avarage Joe is save from bricking his phone and thats a good thing from Joes point of view and also from the phone manufacturers (they want to sell phones, not swap the damaged ones). Ofcourse i would like to get open bootloader or phone straight out of the box, but i fully understand why the companies do not want it.
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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.
do you really need 2 threads going? 1 in gneral and 1 in android?
presonally it doesnt bother me if they lock it or not, they are doing it for business reasons and as stated above money, i was going to reply to this yesterday but after typing out what i was going to put, most people would get pissy and *****y
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Bricking... that's one thing but you didn't mention the big picture.
Money
I love it, you love it, and HTC sure as hell does too. Nothing personal it's just business, business as usual... simple as that.
If it weren't for this fabulous forum I would of probably upgraded my phone twice by now if not at least once since owning the HD2, provided I had enough funds... All these "unauthorized" OS updates I'm getting has definitely been a factor for NOT upgrading my phone. That's profit loss for both HTC and the carriers that sell them. Then there's all these "unenlightened" ones who come to this forum and brick their phones because they've failed to properly follow directions. Then turn around and claim fraudulent warranty damage. I don't know how much net loss this actually costs but I'm pretty sure it's enough that it makes a difference. Either way, at the end of the day it's all about maximizing profits. This isn't a charity folks..... HTC has expensive mouths to feed.
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yeah i mentioned it (they want sell and not swap the damaged ones), but not as clearly as you did
"There has been overwhelmingly customer feedback that people want access to open bootloaders on HTC phones. I want you to know that we've listened. Today, I'm confirming we will no longer be locking the bootloaders on our devices. Thanks for your passion, support and patience," Peter Chou, CEO of HTC
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https://www.facebook.com/HTC/posts/10150307320018084
was just gonna post the same thing
greg17477 said:
this is just wasting of time.... you need to grow up people.
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Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so
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Ha. You got anything else to say? Didnt think so
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Haha awesome. its amazing when the people speak and those in charge actually listen.
signed it!