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Farewell windows mobile

As all of you, I've been with pocket pc since my hp 1945. Back then ppc was the most advance mobile os out there. I dreamed of a time they would converge this device with a phone to make the worlds greatest all in one. Then it came , the device that started my addiction with windows mobile phone, the imate jAm. From then on it was an exciting journey as I bought new phones when they cAme out. Each one better than the last and more stable. This journey climaxed when I bought my best pocket pc phone ever.. The htc advAntage. I loved that thing. Huge screen graphic processor, fast CPU , 8 gb HD . But alas my advantage was dropped one too mAny times so it was sold. Not wNting to get the same phone twice I purchased the AT&T tilt, then the xperia. Now for the point of my post. Since the begining to about when the first iPhone 3g came out I'd sAy ppc was very much better than the rest. Now after playing with the 3gs iPhone I can see with this device ppc is now in the dust. It does most things our ppc can do , but most of all more and more developers r writing awesome apps for this device. And because it's made by one company and also very popular there are tons of accessories for it. I mean there were times like with my advantage that I couldn't even get a proper case for it. As for os iPhone is wAaY more stAble, windowS is taking too long. They started this race but R finishing up last with their shotty work and programming. I meaN the only reSon I buy htc products is becUse of this awesome site. That's pretty sad when ur only selling point is a site that has no affilation with u but make ur buggy product useable. So with this post I sAy farewell ppc thank you all the chiefs that made All those custome Roms I've used over the past ten years. I've jumped ship and have bought a 3gs.
Ps xperia was the straw that broke the camels back. Worst ppc phone ever. From case problem to shotty os

Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.

ratchetnclank said:
Bye.
Thanks for the thread
Seriously why do people make these thread all they offer to the rest of us is reading your "painful" sob story.
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hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.

You could summarise the OP into one sentence.
"The iPhone has a swish GUI and is better supported for apps than the Xperia, so I'm getting one."
My response would be,
"I prefer my device to have a keyboard, and while the Xperia isn't perfect, it has a spreadsheet app out of the box... for free."

It is not our fault that you cannot configure your device properly. Feel free to buy a featurephone like the iPhail. It is simple, not functional and has crappy hardware and software.
WinMo is for tech savvy people who understand modern tech. iCrap is for the ones who want everything configured and controlled for them. The latter will fall behind modern society, because of lack of understanding how things work.
Read this and pay special attention to the links haha:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=529998

Let's not be Haters
If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.

Have fun with your iPhone 3GS - seriously No bad feelings here (why shouldn't there be any lol ).
However, I think you made 2 mistakes here. The first one, was getting an Xperia in the first place. If you now can live without the full qwerty keyboard, you should have gotten a Touch HD. Thats more of a competitor to the iPhone than the Xperia.
The second mistake: You switched when the WM platform finally has come to a point, where almost all new devices feature a WVGA screen, which means, that developers will have less problems to build apps AND WM 6.5 with its marketplace is standing right on the doorstep. The other thing here is, that Microsoft won't be that fussy when it comes to authorising apps to the marketplace.

I personally am not going to jump ship to the iPhone. I'm satisfied with the Xperia, but am really pissed with the problems of the WM ecosystem. No one stop shopping for apps. No music or app downloads straight to the phone (that Handango InHand app was crap!). And, come on guys, customizing a phone and voiding the warranty IS NOT A FEATURE!
I am not even interested in the X2. Hardware alone isn't going to convince me to buy a new phone. It has to have a great ecosystem and UI...period. I'm guessing X3 with WM7 would be my next phone, but if it's crap, then I'm jumping ship to something better (even iPhone 4). My next phone is going to have a really well-designed and clever OS on top of superior hardware. Features should not be half-assed but properly integrated into the whole phone. Good example is Copy and Paste. Many complaints the iPhone didn't have it, but now it's got it and it is very well implemented. Apple didn't just throw some bull**** into their phone to make the feature list longer. My next mobile OS will have to be designed with that same mentality and attention to user-experience.
I'll stick with my X1 for another generation, but next generation, the company with the best designed OS and ecosystem will get my business.

Besides the question if the iPhone is the better phone (Everyone has to decide for themselves, for me, the iPhone is definetely lacking some things) i really have to say that somehow i get the impression, that WinMO got stuck.
A few years back, it was the ultimate OS for powerful PPC and later PPCPhones, but that was because it was the only real one. Microsoft just sat back and sold and sold without improving. I mean even the devices 5 years back already had 400 MhZ and were as fast as todays devices and if you take a look at Windows Mobile 2003 SE and Windows Mobile 6.1 you can't see significant changes at first glance. I've had many WinMo Phones throughout the years and i will stick with it for now, because I love Windwos Mobile and all the functionality that comes along with it and appart from a keyboard i am still missing some other things with other phones like the iPhone, but i guess, if Microsoft does not realize that the Phone OS Market is now an open and very competitive one and does not improve their OS within the next year (Speed is a great factor, other OS are way faster) more and more people will come to the point where WinMo is no longer the OS of choice. As for myself, more and more things that "disgusted" me with the first iphone, get lost more and more, as apple improves the whole package. Alright, an iPhone with Keyboard is way off for now, but who knows
Just my two cents =)

If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.

The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise

I think the X1 is really good, it's the best WinMo device i've ever had. There is no real comparable device out there regarding the Hardware.
But right now it looks like this is the climax of Windows Mobile and if this stays like that till the next time i have to get a new device i will be looking seriously into other Phones, because my love to WinMo is not unconditionally, they really need to do something

etegration said:
hahaha yeah. to iphone so go. bye, you wont be missed.
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Word! **** the iPhone.

WinMo and X1 is good enough that I'll wait for WM7 to give it a chance (and I'll put the OFFICIAL WM6.5 on my X1). But after that, I'll have to jump ship to a/the keyboard iPhone or something else if Microsoft and SE doesn't get it's s**t together by next generation of phones (The X3).

I have to agree. I updated my X1 using the SE update service to R3A and now get regular crashes. I'm trying to find away to roll back but not having any luck. As mentioned before, cooking your ROM is all well and good to improve your phone, but it voids your warranty and shouldn't be needed. Lazysoft should start investing some of their vast mountain of money into programmers who can produce a stable, fast and easily customizable OS. As Apple slowly realise their mistakes with the iPhone and introduce firmware upgrades to compensate WM is going nowhere and offering nothing new or improved. As soon as iPhone is capable of everything other phones are, it's game over for WM.

I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.

WhyBe said:
If they released an iPhone with a keyboard, it would be game over for the rest of the smartphone industry. Not that I'm an Apple or iPhone fan, but more likely than not, they would completely dominate the smartphone market with a keyboard device and a touch-only device.
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Keyboard will not be a substitute for all the features it lacks.
dadeadman said:
The X1 is good, but apps pale in comparison aesthetics wise
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Agreed, but not 100%. Function beats aesthetics any day. WinMo has cool looking apps as well.
THJahar said:
I'm sorry but this is getting out of hand...we are being astroturfed here.
So many 'I'm switching to iphone 3gs' posts... it's professional done I grant you that (some are one or to post users some are 50+ well rounded accounts) but astroturf nonetheless.
I'm wondering if the rest of the XDA forums is being hit? If I'd get off my butt I'd check.
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I thought the same thing. Maybe a Mod can drop by and tell us if we are right?

Hannigan174 said:
If someone wants to leave WinMo let them go. Maybe when they try iPhone OS they'll realize what they are missing. Perhaps, though, they would be happier with it.
Just because WinMo might be best for us doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
I do have to say, though, that I am confused by the now several threads in the Xperia forum saying that they are leaving for the iPhone. I never saw any in the Kaiser or in the Dev or Q&A forums. I am beginning to think that many of these are simply viral marketing.
EDIT: Perhaps not viral marketing, just users that don't understand customizing/flashing very well. Reviewed some old posts by the originators of these threads.
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I had an iFail for a month (back in the 2G when you could jailbreak without contract)
I am happy I don't have it any more
Crappy keyboard, with only qwerty, no 3rd party keyboard support, apps were alright, nothing incredible, no real bluetooth (A2DP, tethering etc) and no hardware keyboard, hardware was mediocre at best and the camera sucked
Took them 2 years to sort out some of those issues, hardware/camera still suck and the apps.....lets just say I wouldn't take a lot of them if you paid me, not to mention being forced to use iTuneDeaf, I'll stick to my media players that support OGG thanks.

I am quite impressed with the iPhone 3GS, I do not understand how they can make the MP3 player so remarkably fast compared to any windows mobile mp3 program + phone. I know capacitive screen takes away the need to apply pressure but the iPhone OS looks as if it takes alot of processing power and yet 600 Megahertz is almost the same as 528 and yet iphone is blazing fast.
The same also applies to the Ipod Touch which has a 400 mhz processor.
I am just so discontented that the iPhone os is not good for automated apps and modification apps. If it had those features + a true file system than I would consider.
This is the reason why all iphones and ipod touch have mostly games and games and games, because it can only support certain types of foreground apps (since the Mac OS isn't designed for background apps)

I pity all the iDiots......
http://www.engadget.com/2009/07/01/video-iphone-copy-and-paste-is-a-pretty-incredible-thing-sur/

letter to SE CEO has been published today..

check this out:
http://www.mobile-review.com/articles/2009/bert-letter-en.shtml
its real ,and he hits the week points of SE

"Real innovations have been substituted by dreams. As a consumer I'm offered rapidly aging and overpriced phones that have no future on the market under the guise of 'state-of-the-art solutions'. Another manifestation of the company's dishonesty was when Sony Ericsson tried to persuade me via weak PR and advertising that these were marvelous products."
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Well, this guy is nailing it! Spot on! Dishonesty is the right word. Persuasion and promises without any real world backing.
"oh looky looky the X1 with the AMAZING panels that are going to change your everyday live" - oh yeah, it's one year after that and there are a handful of them. I haven't used any of them in months.
"oh looky looky the X2 is simply amazing cutting edge device with the fantastic tile panel" - oh yeah, very amazing with the pathetic old hardware and the annoying panel that is nothing more than a gimmick and is impossible to use on a daily basis.
Haha...

Damn!! This guy's got it spot on!
@nevermind: What was that u said, SE won't be phased if they loose me as a customer? Reality check, u guys are loosing it.
Imagine a current X1 user upgrading to a X2 and realising a couple of hours down the line that he just bought a re-glorified plastic encased X1 with an 8mp camera. lol
I really digged SE but as of late I've, and apparently more SE fanbois really felt as if though we've been cheated with the X1.
So, whatcha gonna do?

With have been cheated with the X2 not X1. Also, nevermind =/= SE.

the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).

Ganondolf said:
the thing is how much we are annoyed with the x2, there is not any good phones coming for wm in the foreseeable future and the more i look the more i thing the x2 is the best looking most functional (with its keyboard) and although it lacks the cpu of some devices like the htc leo, the htc devices are so ugly i would never buy it.
it seems that if i get a x2 as a free replacement for my x1 i will be happy but if i dont i am happy to keep my x1 for now as the rest of the wm phones are not as good overall.
i dont really see the need for wm6.5 on the x1 as i have used both and dont think 6.5 is that much better but a r4 firmware update with the new drivers would be nice (although mine x1 is now tuned to be super fast and smooth apart from some games and videos).
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Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).

Hannigan174 said:
Keep your X1, I wouldn't bother with X2. I find it a little insulting (at least if the reports of its pricing are true).
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lol. i did say i would only get a x2 if they give it to me as a free replacement so it really does not matter how much sony decides to sell it for.

Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1

lol where you get that???
xperia 1.5....
why not 1.8 for the 8 mpx camera.
haha sounds funny
look here
http://www.sonyericsson.com/cws/corporate/products/phoneportfolio

hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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lets try not to be childish

hyellow said:
Major anouncement: Sony Ericsson renamed x2, to x1.5!!1
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Please provide proof and links!!

Jasand said:
Please provide proof and links!!
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it obviously was a sneer to SE. Not real! but seriously, if they really called it x1.5 , i would consider buying it, because it'll probably be the only phone to have such a model name/number. And perhaps, x2 is not worth the x2 name, because of the minor improvements over x1. But..... x1.5 was just a joke, c'mon...

I spent a few years with SE's UIQ phones, and a similar thing happened there. Since Sony Ericsson WAS in practice UIQ (apart from one Motorola I think), not only did they terminally underspec the UIQ terminals, they actually killed the UIQ interface, which was a real shame, since it was a very stable and efficient phone OS.
Déjà vu...
If you look at the UIQ forum on my-symbian.com, you will see similar complaints, letters published to CEOs etc. There must be some serious disconnects in SE for this to happen with their flagship range(s).

It's called greed. Also, providing as little as possible and pricing it like a NASA prototype...
...and the poster with the 1.5 was OBVIOUSLY joking...

I hope sony respond positivley to this letter and turn their act around

When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?

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When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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Well its their loss - we only want to help >.<

Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.

Stalix said:
Do you guys really believe they will ever exchange a broken x1 for an x2? I highly doubt it. I would love to get a x2 that way but i think it will never happen.
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Well maybe they will, if the x1's keep falling appart or have other weird issue's like mines that turns blue'ish when sliding open.. the screen cable gets a bit loosy when i slide it open. ( its already been in repairs once for that issue but back then it went off instead of turning blue.. )

orelsi said:
When has an Internet campaign lead to anything? All these letters, petitions and campaigns are utterly pointless.
The only exception is the bringing back of Jericho, but is just the exception that proves the general rule. Plus, they annoyed the TV execs with the real world sending of nuts and other stuff. Maybe we should send something to SE. Hm... something smelly perhaps?
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...aGREED!!

Sense UI on Windows Phone 7 after all...

Drew Bamford, HTC's head of User interface development explained that, although Microsoft bans modifications of UI, there will be a version of UI that "wont change, but supplement WP7" in some way.
There wont be radical changes like so far, but we can expect enough to cover the home screen that is found to be ugly by many folks here.

Saw that the other day. I am pleased by the news. While I do not really dislike the WM7 home screen, I like Sense much more. I could care less about social networking so all of that integration into the WM7 home stuff is a waste IMO.

10332007 said:
Saw that the other day. I am pleased by the news. While I do not really dislike the WM7 home screen, I like Sense much more. I could care less about social networking so all of that integration into the WM7 home stuff is a waste IMO.
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Quite right too. It's about time for a backlash against the lazy assumption by those building mobiles and their OSs that we are all fifteen years old with an innate inability to talk to other people in person or wannabee authors and self publicists who feel that the rest of the world is in some way interested in sharing the very few vaguely sentient thoughts they have during the course of their tedious little days.
I just scratched my arse - LOLZ.

Gustopher said:
Quite right too. It's about time for a backlash against the lazy assumption by those building mobiles and their OSs that we are all fifteen years old with an innate inability to talk to other people in person or wannabee authors and self publicists who feel that the rest of the world is in some way interested in sharing the very few vaguely sentient thoughts they have during the course of their tedious little days.
I just scratched my arse - LOLZ.
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LOL or LMAO or LMFAO!

I cant see it being anywhere near as customisable as sense as we know it........
Im hopeful but ready to be disappointed............
Sorry for being such a downer lol

Don't expect it to be anything like the Sense we know and love in 6.5 it will most likely be a hub or tile (what ever they call those stupid squares) with a clock and weather in it. They can not impliment their own UI on Win7.
Forbes said:
Microsoft's February announcement that it would exert more control over the phones that use its upcoming mobile software, Windows Phone 7, would seem to be a challenge for HTC. After all, the Taiwan-based smartphone maker has made a name out of layering inventive software on top of other companies' mobile platforms.
But HTC says its custom software, which it calls "Sense", will live on, even on Windows phones. Drew Bamford, who heads HTC's user experience design team, tells Forbes the manufacturer is applying Sense to its first Windows Phone 7 devices, which are expected to launch in October.
"Microsoft has taken firmer control of the core experience [in Windows Phone 7], but we can still innovate," says Bamford. The future version of Sense, he adds, won't look the way it does on current Windows Mobile (6.5) phones, where it basically replaces all the core applications and is fully integrated into the phone.
Nevertheless, HTC is optimistic about the Windows Phone 7 launch, according to Bamford. "We won't be able to replace as much of the core Windows Phone experience, but we will augment it," he says. Feel free to read the rest
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So don't expect it to be pretty you will still get to look at those stupid squares on your homescreen.

Gustopher said:
Quite right too. It's about time for a backlash against the lazy assumption by those building mobiles and their OSs that we are all fifteen years old with an innate inability to talk to other people in person or wannabee authors and self publicists who feel that the rest of the world is in some way interested in sharing the very few vaguely sentient thoughts they have during the course of their tedious little days.
I just scratched my arse - LOLZ.
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Oh you just summed it up right there, I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks this social networking **** has gone way too far. You made me giggle.

Anyone else sad that RIM bought TAT?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/02/rim-buys-tat-blackberry-ui-in-danger-of-becoming-awesome/
So, is anyone else sad that RIM bought TAT? Those of you that don't know, TAT helped with and polished the original Android interface for the G1 and helped us get to what we all know and love today in Android. Not to mention they have 3 awesome live wallpapers on the market, plus they have that awesome TAT Home homescreen replacement that never got to see the light of day... yes, it was supposed to be an OEM homescreen replacement, but it would have been nice to see it released sometime. *sigh* I'm actually surprised Google didn't purchase them first, given what they've put into Android in the past and what they can obviously do with it now.

I am very surprised that a buttoned up, un innovative company like RIM snatched them up. They must be terrified of iOS and Android (rightly so) to step so far out of their comfort zone.

Mactagonist said:
I am very surprised that a buttoned up, un innovative company like RIM snatched them up. They must be terrified of iOS and Android (rightly so) to step so far out of their comfort zone.
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I think after their current os overhaul sort of fell flat they are desperate for something to keep people interested. Something more than color and icon changes.

I'm not really sad, I really want RIM to get back in the game, since it's a Canadian company and I'm proud of having technology companies in here...I wouldn't like if it RIM died out just like Nortel did, would suck badly to get overhauled by American companies only...
Although, RIM really has to work its ass off to make better stuff...I mean, the torch has a suckier cpu and same camera as the Nexus which came out almost a year ago...they really need to get some exclusive things...now, they even lost what was pretty much the only "exclusive" feature, being the BlackBerry Messenger...they are now in court with Kik just for that matter

It'd pretty easy to make some sparkly beautiful UI . Its another to make it work properly with available hardware.
G1 won my heart but the ui is the reason sense and others came about.
Unless there's something I'm missing ...big whoop. BB needs a big overhaul lets see what they can do with that OS.

xManMythLegend said:
It'd pretty easy to make some sparkly beautiful UI . Its another to make it work properly with available hardware.
G1 won my heart but the ui is the reason sense and others came about.
Unless there's something I'm missing ...big whoop. BB needs a big overhaul lets see what they can do with that OS.
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Check out tat home, the 2d-3d list and map Apps as well as their XML based interfaces. Tat is good at what they do when they are given free reign. IMO they could have done great things for android, I think Google restricts to keep things simple rather than flashy as android is supposed to be able to operate on devices of different power.

You know to tell you the truth: competition is always good for us the customer. Apple vs. Android isn't enough and even Google can get lazy. Hopefully RIM will FINALLY help push the industry forward.
Also, I'm looking at getting a Playbook to connect to my Nexus One via free wifi hotspot. Maybe this will make the Playbook a better product in the future, which again, helps all of us at the end of the day.
Apple and Google don't need TAT...RIM certainly does. They finally have shown some life with this acquisition.

as a former RIM developer I'm couldn't sign the statement "RIM is innovative".
The hardware is very powerfull, but the OS is way behind, OS6 is nothing but a polished GUI on top of OS5. BES the core strength of RIM is losing ground, just as RIM did within 1 year dropping stocks approx. 50%.
If a little theme with a few SVG lines can bend down a 1ghz device, there's nothing to feel sad, but for the customer wasting a lot of money. Not intended to get into a flame, but since the question popped up, here's my 2 cents.

RunTimeWorld said:
as a former RIM developer I'm couldn't sign the statement "RIM is innovative".
The hardware is very powerfull, but the OS is way behind, OS6 is nothing but a polished GUI on top of OS5. BES the core strength of RIM is losing ground, just as RIM did within 1 year dropping stocks approx. 50%.
If a little theme with a few SVG lines can bend down a 1ghz device, there's nothing to feel sad, but for the customer wasting a lot of money. Not intended to get into a flame, but since the question popped up, here's my 2 cents.
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The hardware itself is indeed very "solid' and extremely reliable, thus the incredible business use of BlackBerry. The specs, though, fall short in today's standards!
Hopefully, they will come up with something nice soon, before they get forgotten in oblivion

lostinbeta said:
Check out tat home, the 2d-3d list and map Apps as well as their XML based interfaces. Tat is good at what they do when they are given free reign. IMO they could have done great things for android, I think Google restricts to keep things simple rather than flashy as android is supposed to be able to operate on devices of different power.
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I have. Theyre beautiful. But so was Xperias Android UI.
Concept designs for Android have been gorgeous and "futuristic" but they all flop if they even bother seeing light of day.
If you want to say its Google restricting I wont argue. Im sure they refuse to add anything that hampers there backbone. But seeing how cooliris got free reign and we ended up with a slow , low res Gallery app im more prone to thinking HW simply is not up to the point to handle these interfaces.
At the end of the day its another case of a looming update with no sign of UI overhaul. I dont have "major" issues with current UI. But its clear that these big leaps being shown just arent happening. I cant fathom why Google would simply say no. There has to be another reason. Maybe the Sidekick/Palm guy wasnt to keen on them ?
WebOS UI > Android/Ios/BB anyways.

Haha, good point about the gallery. Cooliris really did fail on that one. I hope it either gets better or gets replaced in future versions of android.

All of their products are so surperfulous and gaudy.
At least rim products won't be called boring anymore.

Its sad that all that android code is going to waste without it being released.
Since they did not give anything to the community, and decided to abandon android, I wish them all the best with RIM...good riddance.

An interesting observation - SE using cat-string theory as its main business practice

i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
think of it..
they build great hype for a product months before the launch by strong advertising (probably spending more on ads than R&D itself) , promising a revolutionary interface with ground breaking custom interfaces....X panels for X1 (remember?) and timescape/mediascape (biggest garbage) for X10 ..both over-ambitious
just so they can differentiate from other companies..
ya they have great product design.. which initially attracts impulse buyers...they build anticipation...so we cant wait to get our hands on their phone!
and then they finally launch the product which will NEVER have the latest updates because their entire focus was on marketing the product i.e bringing it to market before competition and capturing market share.
they never really focussed on industry shaking R&D like Apple..c'mon without Apple, touchscreen was a dead market.
and without Android...Apple had a monopoly.
This is revolution....not timescape or mediascape..which are my least favourite apps...battery sucking with extremely slow response rates.
then they ll keep launching small small updates over couple of months...more like over a year...adding little features..so we dont change brand loyalty....giving the wounded customers a faint vision of hope...
finally they release a small update and the entire community goes 'wow' with excitement...like a virgin getting his first blowjob.
by that time..the phone has suffered scratches, has started showing signs of wear..which means very low re-sale value.
and meanwhile announcement for newer model is made...slimmer, sexier with more bugs which will be fixed via update over the next upcoming year.
good strategy for a short-term profit making....but they are losing brand loyalty.
i am not gonna buy SE Xperia Arc...ya its the sexiest phone on the market.
but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
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its like they keep us jumping over small small updates like a cat does to a string which the master will never let it catch.

but its like a hot model u bang and can never have a healthy relationship with...coz she is dumb and full of flaws on the inside...such as daddy issues etc.
epic comment
well it's true and from your perspective which one is better?
i know getting a big income is the main focus of any company but hey customers loyalty also counts. it's something i hate from sony in general, they keep pushing new tech every year and let the customer to feel outdated

Epic thread.
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Couldn't have said it better myself, spot on mate!
Swyped from my ZDZ Froyo X10i

bang on, while i am happy with my x10 as it was my first droid comming from a long **** list of wm devices, i am also not going to be sticking with se, already contemplating the droid 2 global, yes se makes sexy phones but, im looking for something a little more with my next device.
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Funny thread
so what do you think about HTC's strategy with Desire ( Desire/HD/Z )
Just because they released a better handset after a year of the previous handset's release it doesn't mean that they do not care about brand loyalty...
so what? you want them to stick with the X10 for two years while other competitors advance with technology????
believe it or not, many will buy the ARC, even more that who bought the X10...
Next time, go buy an HTC or Motorola
and by the way, Samsung is locking their bootloader so do not buy a Samsung android so you won't end up whining like many here about unlocking it, unless you like samsung
but despite all that, I would like to thank you for the effort made by you to explain what many of us are not aware of.. it's a good practice for your uni
good luck mate with your studies

Nocturnal310 said:
i am a business management student...so i thought of sharing my perspective over how Sony Ericsson is playing the smartphone game...
by exagerrating a lot before the product launch ...and after the launch..giving small doses of updates so customers dont change phone in the hope of getting new features.
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Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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iead1 said:
Well, I wish you luck with the business management, since your management of the English language makes me want to punch babies in the stomach.
Also, replace "Sony Ericsson" with every technology company ever and you have a point.
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Grammar and syntax of the English language is not the point of XDA in MHO...
Very well written, kudos to you Nocturnal310...

@Nocturnal310:
Of course you're right. But as someone said before, you could say this about any company producing technical stuff and you would be right as well. (I expect some very negative comments on what I'm about to say...). I understand your point, but I just don't think that SE is somehow different in their approach from any other company producing consumer goods (is that right? stuff which are bought in great numbers just to be replaced by newer models...you know, we have to watch out for our English, right iead1? ). Thats quite important because we just can't expect infinite support for our product, because sooner or later (the former is more probable) it will get replaced with brand new model with brand new stuff inside making it lot more attractive. The only thing we can complain about is, that the support may have last longer... thats true. But despite all of that, I'm still not changing the brand loyalty as I just dont know what else should I buy next time. I dont like Apple and their iStuff, also don't like HTCs because of how they look. Samsung is an option, but if I should choose between Samsung and SE just by looking at the phones, SE would definitely win (and with Samsung locking their bootloaders as well, I wouldn't help myself much by buying it). You may call me a hardcore fan of SE who doesn't think about what he's buying, but thats not me. I just think that X10 was an unfortunate mistake (which I personally still love!) of SE and I really hope they will learn from it for the reasons mentioned above.
Thats my opinion and I do not force anyone to share it, but I wanted to say it, because I just don't uderstand all that poeople saying how betrayed they feel by SE.

i think SE`s problem is that they don`t really know what they do,at least so far.
they use UIQ for a while then they leave it.
they use win mo,but after x1 and x2 they desided to go for android.
but now Android is very good platform and they should find their way.i hope so.
their main mistake is that they don`t care about customers and the weak points of their products.

I must add my mustard ...
There was a time long ago, Sony Ericsson created really nice phones with a solid build quality. My x10 is 3 weeks old and is making crazy noises when twisted a bit. The whole frame is not stiff enough.
If I saw it right on arc video presentations at youtube, the crappy timescape is now a widget and it is still choppy. This uggly blue is still there. Why blue? SE colors are Green and Orange. What a bunch of stupid designers ... I think w'll have a lot of alternatives out there with lesser crappy UI-Mods.

Well, I agree with most of your points, but let's remember: they're not ceasing support, they're launching a new model and planningto lock x10 customers in outdated Android. Motorola intended to do that too, but customers did such a big buzz that they changed their minds. The bull**** about low performance on Android 2.2 is already discarded, we can see that on all the unofficially built ROMs available at xda-forums. I risk to say that even Google has his part on this entire drama. Obviously, Sony Ericsson and their UXP loaded with much more processing hunger than x10 can support is the one we should blame, because we chose to buy SE, not Google devices (which are HTC, actually ). The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
I truly hope no one takes my comments personally, since I'm just expressing my opinion as a SE consumer. I still like them, but not how they use my money.
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Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!

robbyf66 said:
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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They say a lot. Saying and doing are not the same.

moacyrfilho said:
The removal of MediaScape from Arc tells us that they know where the problem is. Let's hope they fix this "problem" on x10 too.
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I think they removed the mediascape app because it was so hard to new people to find the music player and photo gallery.
just think about it:
you have a new phone, and you would like to play some music, you first go to the music player but you can't find it because there is no music icon on the menu
Grab a samsung phone and try to play some music, the player is called "Music", the video player is "Videos" and the gallery is "Gallery"

robbyf66 said:
Apple Iphone 3G is still getting latest updates - same day as the latest iPhone 4, not ALL the features because it's got old hardware but there aware of that.
SE should be aware of it to, yes x10 can run 2.1 2.2, 2.3 ect so they should. There opinion is why there not updating. (why not the majority, the users decide)
Why can't we get hardware based updates? HTC magic/hero got tons of updates..
Yes new models will come out, but it's the same OS to update, not that much off a difference, our devs do there work in spare time and takes 2-3 weeks to come up with ASOP OS, (which is what i prefer anyway). Imagine an entire DEV team full time? yes it takes more time for testing ect but still.....
At least SE have reconized they F'd up. that's the first step!
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You are comparing with 2 companies with different calibers.
Apple - every designer/ad agency/design house/design school in this world purchase their 'godly' machines for work purposes. And these macs don't come cheap, mind you. With that amount of revenue, they can afford to create an iPhone, using their 'lagless' (yeah, right) macintosh reputations to breed a colony of iZombies to support their cause.
With the iZombies having the need to own a iAmagodlyproduct, with such supporters pumping money into their pockets, they can afford to offset any losses by being nice to
Update old iPhones even if new models are out, cos they know iZombies are already impressed with them playing the nice card and that they are confident that with their good reputation and a better new phone out, A majority of iZombies who have too much money to spare will still buy it. They are just giving an aww-I understand-you-can't-afford-a-new-phone-yet-so-I-will-update-you-periodically-so-that-you-will-come-back-to-me-when-you-have-money message to the poorer parties.
Now for Sony Ericsson (or just insert any other brand names). Let me ask you. Though they are an established brand, but let me ask you, how many people will own 1 of those expensive TVs or VAIOS? Comparing with Apple, no competition.
They don't have that much extra revenue to play nice. They can only strategize and try to earn as such as possible before their products become obsolete.
It's just like people like Donald Trump, who has so much money to play with, he can just give away to some random person on the street if he wants to. But if you try doing up a business yourself, would you give away your money to charity organizations, knowing that you cannot afford to spend the money that way? Most probably not. Unless you don't mind closing down your business due to losses.

All these threads are getting sooooooo repetitive!!! There should be one big sticky for anyone who wants to ***** and complain in any way shape and form about SE. That way this form isn't flooded with every thread turning into a SE bashing thread. It really is getting tiring logging on to see what's new and the first 50 threads are people *****in about SE.
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Lonelee - agree with much of what you say.. but it is also true that there are many many many people who go back time and time again to buy the next apple product BECAUSE they know that Apple will not leave the OS lagging behind on the old device when a new one comes out.. it's spectacularly good brand loyalty. SE (and many other) are taking a very short term view, and a missing a great opportunity to get us all on the hook for the next product..
In the UK for example, many phones bought on contract are free with a 2 yr contract tie in.. so if I know that they will look after me for 2 years, then I'll go back for more.. my contract's not due until Feb 2012.. so I'm eagerly awaiting to see their behaviour over the next 12 months!

well I m back on XDA after exiting from blackberry platform...blackberry provided me a stable messaging device for a while but as needs changed, it was very poor for browsing and getting work with attachments done.
i was at a party few weeks ago and my friend took out his Xperia Z claiming this is the best camera phone.
to his disappointment, it was the darkest blurriest pic i have seen whereas my lumia 920 took a pic with DSLR-like clarity and image characteristics.
i am not sure how much sony has improved but seems like they are still a market follower and using marketing dollars to brag about their phones that do not perform as advertised.
after having wasted my student savings on 2 of their phones, I regret and wish I had bought a better phone for my first android experience.

product lifecycle
Hi,
I am not sure if I should blame any company for moving to newer (and maybe better) products. In the android phone market we have the nearly unique situation to be able to get our hands and minds at the software which is driving the product, at least partly.
This is quite different from cars or coffeemakers.
What I would like to from Sony is that when they decide to abandon a product (eg X10), they open up the sources of drivers etc, so that interested people can maintain their products for themselves.
I can understand that they wont open up the sources for current products.
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