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HELP - Connection broken during a firmware update (Cingular 8525)

Hi everybody! I´m new here and I really need your help! I have a Cingular 8525 mobile and I was updating its firmware to the new WM6 when the power supply of all my city was broken suddenly (the update was in 18%). Firstly the only screen that I could see was the tri-color screen (bootloader screen)... then I followed the procedures that I´ve found here (using the mtty), and now I also can turn on the mobile, then the initial screen appears (written At&t) as before, however after it I get a black screen.
I already tried to flash the ROM with the lastest version and the version that I was using before, but when it is in 1% my mobile reset automatically and on my PC the error message "Invalid Vender ID error" appears, I also download the oldest ROM version I´ve found here and the RUU even doesnt recognize my device... I tried the steps described at http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_UpgradeProblems to solve the Invalid Vender Id Error but it didnt work, I tried to flash my mobile from the SD card and it didnt work as well (i got the error message "dont allow" on my device). Could one of you help me ?? Thanks a lot!
Carlos Parejo

What new WM6?
You need to do a little more research and provide more information on what you were flashing. You're extremely lucky you've not totally screwed it by trying to flash earlier ROMs that don't match your device. With this answer, you will get your device working and learn a lot more about it - follow it carefully.
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Start here - Read up on CID in answers 17, 19, 2 and 20 that will explain your first error and prepare you for unbricking your device. It's also why I don't think the "latest" WM6 you're trying was either not for your device or your device had been tinkered with before. Certainly doesn't sound like HardSPL either.
Then you have 3 choices :
1) If it was genuinely your network providers own update, supplied by them and you are not confident AND unprepared to read the wiki then - call your network for support - it broke using their update.
2) If it was not a genuine update and something from here, elsewhere, cooked etc and you are unprepared to research in the wiki and forums about upgrades before attempting one ignoring the posted warnings then your carrier will be able to arrange a fix under warranty. Tell them it "just died".
3) If you are prepared to learn a bit first -
* DO NOT attempt to flash any more ROMs until you know where you went wrong or you will totally brick your phone.
* Understand what you've done wrong
* Find out your SPL & IPL from the bootloader screen
* have a look here then have a look here before doing anything else.
* If your SPL is 1.06, 1.09, 1.11 or 2.02 then flash any shipped ROM matching your CID, if such rom is not available wait until your carrier releases it or send it to repair or warranty..
* If your SPL is 1.04 then flash any shipped ROM with bootloader 1.04 on it twice.
* If you plan to tinker again in the future, read about HardSPL.
* Have a search in the forums for similar questions which have full posted answers (millions of them)
* When you have an idea of whats happened or more information and have done some reading - if you can't fix it by then and need help then post again.
People will help if you are not confident but you need to supply as much info as possible and do the above first!
Knowledge is thy key to thy kingdom and thy brick will grow wings and fly free once again
Mikeapollo -
(doing a philosophical and Pof type post due to being tired) (where is he thesedays?)

New (used) HD2 - Where do I stand?

I'm searching and reading various threads to try to get a grasp of where I stand but I haven't had a WMO phone in so long that it's taking me a little bit to get reacquainted with the process. That said, I traded my iPhone for an HD2 and my guess is that the guy had modded this a bit but I don't know what "stock" is for the HD2 and all that jazz. So here's what I have sitting in front of me:
SPL 2.08.HSPL
ROM version: Kumar's TMob P1.4 WWE
Radio version: 2.08.50.08_2
Flash size: 1024
Now, the phone's a little buggy from time to time in that the wrong time will display and the phone will lock up and need to be hard booted to get it going again and I'm wondering if it's because of the set up that's installed on it or what not? I'm going to keep researching and re-teaching myself on how to install custom ROMs and find one that I think will suit me best (it should come back to me in a bit ... the basics anyway) but if you guys could help me out and let me know where I stand and some suggestions on where I should go from here, that would be cool. I know this is a n00b question but I also know some of you enjoy helping people learn. I'm not asking for anyone to teach me how to do all of this ... I can learn that from the various threads.

i assume this is a TMOUS HD2?
one piece of advice i'll give you is not to flash your radio to any of the .51 variants as it will brick your phone.
eg. your radio is 2.08.50.08_2 -> do not get one with .51
radio's control your communications, 3g, wifi, sms, chatting etc and has effects on battery life
spl 2.08 HSPL means your phone is unlocked and you can run any ROM you like (CHECK FOR COMPATIBILITY WITH US TMOB) -> download HSPL2 and you can change this to w/e version you like.
kumar is one of the ROMS available.
if your phone is buggy i recommend looking at the task 29 stickies, these format your phone so you can install a new rom on a fresh device

Oh, yes, sorry ... TMOUS.
That's exactly the kind of feedback and guidance I'm looking for. Thank you very much. I'll make sure to refer to this as I go. At least I can be a little pleased that he did some of the work for me by unlocking it ... less steps for me.
Other feedback is welcome and appreciated.

a few pointers.
the 1024 flash size means it is a t mobile us (tmous) version.
most things will work just fine, there are two things you really need to know.
roms - your phone will only take roms based on version 2.1. find your roms in the tmous dedicated rom development section, not this rom development section. if you flash thee wrong rom the phone will hang at the boot screen, but is not permanent.just boot to bootloader and re flash.
radio - this is IMPORTANT. any radio with a 51 in the version WILL KILL YOUR PHONE STONE DEAD.
so example a radio called 2.09.51.x will destroy your phone, no known way to fix at the moment.
radios with a 50 in the version are fine. example 2.08.50.x will work.

in response to the other poster, you should only use spl 2.08.hspl, since thee only roms that work are 2.1 it would be pointless and possibly risky to use any lower version of spl/hspl

Okay, awesome. Thank you. You guys rock. I appreciate the help.

.cab files are the windows mobile setup files, they can be ran straight from your phone.
when you download a ROM, you will be given a .nbh file and an installer .exe, the installer and the ROM must be placed in the same folder.
to enter the phone's bootloader, hold down the VolumeDown key while turning on your phone, here you can also install ROM's without having to start the phone, especially useful because if you flash a ROM while the phone is on, battery checks etc will prevent you from flashing, very annoying if you have 49% battery, flashing from the bootloader prevents this.
hard resetting your phone (recommended after ROM flash): press the power button to turn on the phone WHILST holding down both VolumeUp and VolumeDown buttons, press VolumeUp when prompted, this is a hard reset, it simply wipes data from the phone and makes it setup like when you first got it.
currently on your Today screen on the phone, I presume there are 3 icons, and when you scroll down there is a 3x3 grid in which you can add icons to, do a search for Cookie's Home Tab, it adds more links, more functionality, and generally looks much better

You guys are awesome. I know it's frustrating to explain the basics over and over but I appreciate the time you've taken to respond.

Okay, I successfully ran task 29 and then installed a stock ROM (with radio 50) and everything seems to be working well. I think I'm going to leave it like this for a bit and see what I like and don't like about the stock ROM and then I can make a better choice about which ROM to go with if I decide to customize. I sincerely appreciate your help, guys.

sounds like a good idea
I'm glad we were of help

spl makes me confused and insecure.

Hi I'm new here and I'm new at rooting my phone and such.
I've been reading a lot about rooting and creating goldcards and installing roms and I've Finally managed to actually root and install a rom on my phone.
now I started out from a situation were I had what I think was called a perfect spl I had the 1.33.0010 on my phone. now I have a 1.76.0008. personally I'm annoyed tried the android 2.2 and couldn't make it work then tried another one android 2.1 with UISense and it worked now I don't mind having UISense but I'd rather have 2.2 I read somewhere that changing the spl could make some roms work but haven't been able to change the spl at all. and I don't really like one of the ways I read cause it involved some thing were you erased the through fastboot.
However a friend of mine have the 1.33.0009 and we can't change that at all We have tried to may things to say by now and we have been able to put another rom on his phone.
Now my question is what advantages does it give to actually change the spl I understood it was something about which roms can be used or am I totally wrong here ?
And the second question How do I proceed if the reasons for changing the spl is overwhelming.
And preferable explained in a way that makes me comfortable with trying it. I don't like doing dangerous things if I have Any questions about how or were with it.
and please do ask if there is information I didn't give that is needed to answer my questions.
I've used some time today because I was annoyed I couldn't change my spl.
keep in mind I allready have a custom 2.1 rom with UISense in my phone.
and my information of my current spl is:
SAPPHIRE PVT 32A SHIP S-ON H
HBOOT-1.76.0008(SAPP10000)
CPLD-12
radio-6.35.08.29
and my current recovery is :
recovery-RA-hero-v1.6.2.img
so what I did was this:
Download update-hboot-1.76.2007-signed.zip, rename it to update.zip and copy to my sdcard.
Turn Off the phone.
- Restart the phone with press HOME+POWER go to recovery page.
- Choose Flash zip from sdcard option, choose “update.zip“, use trackball to select , press HOME to confirm
what am I doing wrong. =?
last I would like to apologizes if my question is a often asked question but as far as I've read now the answers often change or there are several answers on same issues and that makes me uncomfortable.

I am not sure if flashing an update.zip from recovery works for the SPL. I think the instructions are to flash from fastboot.
Have you tried flashing it in fastboot as per Cursor's post?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=605239
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=594504

From what I can read there I must say I have not tried it Since I've been warned so many places that changing the spl through fastboot have a higher risk of giving me a brick phone.
And all the places I've been through so far claims that it is posible to do through the recovery mode and much safer. however for me it so far doesn't seem to work either because I'm doing something wrong.
another thing is I don't want to do risky things when I don't completely understand what is happening.
I know that the fastboot(also called bootloader) is the most risky thing to change.
I also understand why it's so risky. I've read through a lot of post. here and other places because I wanted to be sure before I started and it did went well with one exception I have now a 2.1 android on my phone with root access. but I'd like to change the spl in to a engineering spl since I've heard it enables me to try a wider variety of roms.
have I really misunderstood those post and blogs so much that it can't be done to change the spl without useing fastboot ?
my Great place of comfort was the wiki of this site but it have been down for some time. whenever I needed to know things I mostly went there to learn them.

The only possible way to change a SPL of a phone from stock to engineering is to flash it from a recovery in form of an update.zip . The name of the actual .zip does not matter.
Fastboot flashing is the most secure, if you heard otherwise your sources were wrong.
Also fastboot, bootloader, hboot and SPL are the same thing. (fastboot and bootloader being the interface visible on the phone)
Another false thing that you heard was that an engineering SPL will allow you to use a wider variety of ROMs. That is only true for the G1 and its Danger SPL. With your current SPL you can flash and use ANY new radio ROM.
P.S where you are standing now you cannot flash anything from fastboot - your S-ON SPL disables that option.

problem is if you flash an SPL via recovery, it will often try to boot back into recovery, which can be a problem since the new spl may be incompatible with your old recovery image, for instance some SPL images will flash a new radio, etc.
if you can manage a goldcard the best way to get out of a perfected SPL is detailed here
from there you will have an engineerings spl with which you can use fastboot and flash any other spl your heart desires.

Are you kidding me? An SPL will flash another radio?
You are right about one thing - it does involve risk to flash SPL from the recovery.

I see well thanks for clearing that up for me
so from what I understand I can use any rom with my current spl ?
which would mean I don't need to flash any other spl on to it correct ?
then I don't understand why the CM6 - FroyoRedux Mod v1.2 rom doesn't work on mine.
the S-ON thing means security on but what does that exactly mean.
Does it mean that I can't do anything in fastboot ?
Because I thought that it just made it impossible to downgrade the spl ?

okay I've been reading up on the wiki site now and I think I've answered my own questions.
just to be clear ! that I havn't missunderstood anything I'm gonna make a few statemens here please correct me if I'm wrong in any of them.
1. Spl is not needed to be changed to install any android system rom's once I've got a recovery ROM like for instance Amon_RA's recovery roms.
2 As I understand the recovery rom in my phone have to be capable of running on my specific spl
I tried magic specific recovery roms and ended up with a hero specific recovery rom because it was the only one that worked.
3. Now if I want any android system roms they have to be combatible with that recovery rom or am I still missunderstanding something here ?

Exactly which recovery image did you flash? The ROM's are specific to the SPL stuff (bootloader, radio, mainboard, etc.) not the recovery.

Radios
Ok, I understand also. But it still does not clear up if the MT3G 1.2 can use any other SPL/Radio combonation. Can this be done yet with this device?

Looking at your fastboot info, you don't have the MT3G 1.2, that's the one with the 3.5mm jack. You need to find a ROM specific to your radio. If you look through the ROM bible in the Devlopment Section, there's plenty of ROM's in there that are for the 32A board and 6.35 radio.

DonJuan692006 said:
Exactly which recovery image did you flash? The ROM's are specific to the SPL stuff (bootloader, radio, mainboard, etc.) not the recovery.
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well at the moment I'm using recovery-RA-hero-v1.6.2.img because it's the only one that seems stable with my current spl.
and it seems I have some troubles with flashing a eng spl but it seems that what I understand I should just find a rom that works on my phone instead of thinking it's the spl that is a problem. I have found 2 roms that works but one is slow and the other is unstable so I'm still searching.
But I want to say thanks to everyone who have helped making me understand this just a bit more.

[Q] A few questions

Hello there guys.
I have a few questions which I think have never been asked (at least not as I'm about to ask) before. I reckon they may seem silly and even idiotic at first, but I'm almost sure they're kinda relevant in a way or another.
First: What are the possible methods to really brick your phone?
Explanation: should I take real care with radio/SPL and SPL/bootloader versions? If I flash an incompatible ROM/SPL and/or bootloader, will I be able to boot into fastboot and debrick it, or it's bricked for good?
If I flash an incompatible ROM/Radio will it brick? Also, what kind of impact am I supposed to expect from radio versions? I was using 3.xx and all comms were terrible, now I went back to 6.35 and everything is great, only wifi is kinda weak.
Second: What kind of precautions should I take for testing kernels and mixing them with radio versions?
Explanation: I'm really looking for a Froyo with good battery life (good is like three days with not much data usage - My HTC Touch HD (T8282) was able to do that) and I'm planning to test a few kernels to see which is better in terms of stability, speed and battery life.
Third: How do I extract certain things from a given ROM and port it to another? What kind of importance the kernel has on it?
Explanation: I'm looking for HTC's default softwares (dialer, contacts, album, weather, "Clock" w/ alarms and timer, calendar), and I want to put it in a Froyo. I don't mind if I can't get Sense since I'm using Launcher Pro, the only thing Sense has of interest are a few widgets - which can be mimicked by other ADW.Launcher widgets. But how difficult is it to port that stuff to my Feeyo ROM? How would one do that?
Thank you all for your time, and I think it's all for now.

Not a single answer?

shinobih2o said:
Hello there guys.
I have a few questions which I think have never been asked (at least not as I'm about to ask) before. I reckon they may seem silly and even idiotic at first, but I'm almost sure they're kinda relevant in a way or another.
First: What are the possible methods to really brick your phone?
Explanation: should I take real care with radio/SPL and SPL/bootloader versions? If I flash an incompatible ROM/SPL and/or bootloader, will I be able to boot into fastboot and debrick it, or it's bricked for good?
If I flash an incompatible ROM/Radio will it brick? Also, what kind of impact am I supposed to expect from radio versions? I was using 3.xx and all comms were terrible, now I went back to 6.35 and everything is great, only wifi is kinda weak.
Second: What kind of precautions should I take for testing kernels and mixing them with radio versions?
Explanation: I'm really looking for a Froyo with good battery life (good is like three days with not much data usage - My HTC Touch HD (T8282) was able to do that) and I'm planning to test a few kernels to see which is better in terms of stability, speed and battery life.
Third: How do I extract certain things from a given ROM and port it to another? What kind of importance the kernel has on it?
Explanation: I'm looking for HTC's default softwares (dialer, contacts, album, weather, "Clock" w/ alarms and timer, calendar), and I want to put it in a Froyo. I don't mind if I can't get Sense since I'm using Launcher Pro, the only thing Sense has of interest are a few widgets - which can be mimicked by other ADW.Launcher widgets. But how difficult is it to port that stuff to my Feeyo ROM? How would one do that?
Thank you all for your time, and I think it's all for now.
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It's easy to brick your phone if you flash the wrong spl with the wrong radio. Basically if you try to flash a HTC spl (one that comes with SenseUI) on a Google phone (non-SenseUI). You're almost always going to brick. Wrong SPL+right radio for your device = brick. Right SPL+wrong radio = possible brick. Wrong SPL+Wrong radio = definite brick.
Test out a bunch of kernels... just make sure you do a nandroid backup first!
It's very rare that you will manage to brick your phone by testing kernels. A nandroid backup backs up the kernel in the boot.img file so if the kernel that you are testing doesn't work then you can always just do a restore. Most of the time anyway...
Most HTC system apps are completely incompatible with Google roms. It's not just kernel but also framework. It's not impossible, just not practical. It's so much easier to design a similiar app to match HTC's than to modify/crack and use the original.

Binary100100 said:
It's easy to brick your phone if you flash the wrong spl with the wrong radio. Basically if you try to flash a HTC spl (one that comes with SenseUI) on a Google phone (non-SenseUI). You're almost always going to brick. Wrong SPL+right radio for your device = brick. Right SPL+wrong radio = possible brick. Wrong SPL+Wrong radio = definite brick.
Test out a bunch of kernels... just make sure you do a nandroid backup first!
It's very rare that you will manage to brick your phone by testing kernels. A nandroid backup backs up the kernel in the boot.img file so if the kernel that you are testing doesn't work then you can always just do a restore. Most of the time anyway...
Most HTC system apps are completely incompatible with Google roms. It's not just kernel but also framework. It's not impossible, just not practical. It's so much easier to design a similiar app to match HTC's than to modify/crack and use the original.
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Thanks Binary!
If you flash a 32B radio/spl/recovery into a 32A phone it'll obviously brick it, but "how bricked" will it be?
And if I only flash the ROM?
I'm trying to figure out a way to make a FAQ or troubleshooting guide or something you can follow to unbrick your device, and I'm also considering making myself a ROM.
Oh, just out of curiosity: why are the Hero ROMs so popular among Sapphires?
Thanks again Bin!

shinobih2o said:
Thanks Binary!
If you flash a 32B radio/spl/recovery into a 32A phone it'll obviously brick it, but "how bricked" will it be?
And if I only flash the ROM?
I'm trying to figure out a way to make a FAQ or troubleshooting guide or something you can follow to unbrick your device, and I'm also considering making myself a ROM.
Oh, just out of curiosity: why are the Hero ROMs so popular among Sapphires?
Thanks again Bin!
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How bricked will it be? Allow me to elaborate. The spl calls for a certain radio type to boot the phone. Say you have the 0013 spl that requires the 2.22.23.02 radio. And you flash a radio that is not compatible. The SPL (or bootloader) will continue attempting to activate the radio that is literally not present. It will endlessly loop until it finds that radio which cannot be flashed. Now... sometimes (depending on the situation) you can still get back into the bootloader and simply flash the right radio... but that depends on the situation. Many times you can fix the problem by using the goldcard method but if the spl flash doesn't complete (either because of a hardware malfunction, battery dies (or pulled) while flashing, incompatible spl, etc you will not be able to access the bootloader to flash either a radio or a goldcard. Brick. Also keep in mind that 32A devices (with the exception of the 1.2 devices better known as LE or Fender) require certain SPL and radios and normally come equipped with the HTC Sense UI interface. Because the ROM requires more RAM and ROM to operate the kernels require a different memory map to take the full advantage of it. The kernels usually only operate with certain radios which is one of the reason why there are different ROMs out there (32A/32B). Along with the fact that the 32A ROMs require more space it's pretty much a no brainer.
As for why Sense UI is so appealing... I think it's because of the eye candy and integration. But it's not for everybody. I personally like it but find it too complicated for people that simply want a phone to make calls, sends texts, check e-mail and browse the web. Just my opinion anyway.

single answer^

Binary100100 said:
How bricked will it be? Allow me to elaborate. The spl calls for a certain radio type to boot the phone. Say you have the 0013 spl that requires the 2.22.23.02 radio. And you flash a radio that is not compatible. The SPL (or bootloader) will continue attempting to activate the radio that is literally not present. It will endlessly loop until it finds that radio which cannot be flashed. Now... sometimes (depending on the situation) you can still get back into the bootloader and simply flash the right radio... but that depends on the situation. Many times you can fix the problem by using the goldcard method but if the spl flash doesn't complete (either because of a hardware malfunction, battery dies (or pulled) while flashing, incompatible spl, etc you will not be able to access the bootloader to flash either a radio or a goldcard. Brick. Also keep in mind that 32A devices (with the exception of the 1.2 devices better known as LE or Fender) require certain SPL and radios and normally come equipped with the HTC Sense UI interface. Because the ROM requires more RAM and ROM to operate the kernels require a different memory map to take the full advantage of it. The kernels usually only operate with certain radios which is one of the reason why there are different ROMs out there (32A/32B). Along with the fact that the 32A ROMs require more space it's pretty much a no brainer.
As for why Sense UI is so appealing... I think it's because of the eye candy and integration. But it's not for everybody. I personally like it but find it too complicated for people that simply want a phone to make calls, sends texts, check e-mail and browse the web. Just my opinion anyway.
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Thanks again Bin, that's pretty clarifying.
Except for hardware problems while flashing stuff (battery removal, cable removal, pc crashing etc) it's probable that ou can still recover and unbrick it, right?
I still wonder why the Hero ports are so common for the Magic... Technical specs are so similar that there's minimum driver adaptation?
I didn't like the Sense launcher, but the HTC softwares are cool - clock, dialer, weather etc.
Do you think it's possible to make a Wiki or FAQ for people who have bricked their phones and troubleshoot it following step by step procedures for specific cases...?

shinobih2o said:
Thanks again Bin, that's pretty clarifying.
Except for hardware problems while flashing stuff (battery removal, cable removal, pc crashing etc) it's probable that ou can still recover and unbrick it, right?
I still wonder why the Hero ports are so common for the Magic... Technical specs are so similar that there's minimum driver adaptation?
I didn't like the Sense launcher, but the HTC softwares are cool - clock, dialer, weather etc.
Do you think it's possible to make a Wiki or FAQ for people who have bricked their phones and troubleshoot it following step by step procedures for specific cases...?
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I don't think it's necessary b/c there is plenty of information here in the forums.
Plus there are dozens of different MyTouch devices... with different spl versions all requiring their own type of radio. I think that's the reason why it's so confusing. It would be nice if I was smart enough to make a GUI Windows application so simply boot your phone into bootloader mode where you select what you see on the screen and press a selectable option of what you want to do such as flash spl, flash radio, make goldcard, flash goldcard, etc. If you don't see the option then it probably isn't possible yet. That way so many people would mess things up by mistaking their devices for something different. Regarding the wiki... I'm pretty sure there already out there. But I don't know all of the details to make it myself and have it be accurate. I make it a point to be as close as accurate as possible since I'm a mod.

[Q] Please help

I just got this phone yesterday from a friend. I was given this website and said that I need to download something to turn my phone from a Windows phone to an Android phone but I have no idea what I am doing. Any help would be great.
Thanks,
Amanda

So you're starting form scratch? Do you want to run Android off SD card or in the NAND memory? Wiping WinMo (easy to revert back to).
First all you'll need:
HSPL 2.08 (Bootloader)
MAGLDR 1.13
Then ClockworkMod (Not needed, but recommend as it's easier... and you can make back-ups!)
Read this and it'll tell you everything you need to know. Just one thing, make sure you flash the radio mentioned in that thread.
Just one thing... IF YOU HAVE A T-MOBILE US HD2 DO NOT FLASH A .51 RADIO. Your phone won't work anymore if you do.
If that guides to hard to understand, you can always look on YouTube. There are plenty of guides.