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because we have TCPMP, WiMP, and can code anything we want to use easily..
want internet radio? shoutcast works fine.
want something exotic? build it, or pay someone to. anything can be done.
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TCPMP can stream music/video from any source YOU wish, not controlled by drm. For instance Ive been nicely watching episodes of the simpsons on the train to uni most days, free of charge (I have the DVDs already).
Unless your network provider has a flat rate data service you will pay SHEDLOADS for the streaming data from rapsody anyway?! Invest in a 2GB SD card and go nuts!
We have the freedom on here to develop ANY application we wish, with the expertise here we could easily have an app like that but unless there is a diare need for it i doubt we will see it.
lifterus said:
The Celestial Jukebox in my pocket. My dream. Why can't it be on my 3G WM5 device as well?
http://www.engadget.com/2007/03/27/nokia-and-real-add-rhapsody-to-the-n800/
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You do know that you can use The Orb to stream any music from your PC? Also does video and you can view any pictures you have. Best of all it's FREE
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AT&T (cingular) just signed a deal to start giving free access to "qualifying subscribers" of Napster's content. The bad - you have to buy a blackjack. The good - it's set to work for WM5 so maybe they'll make a version that works with the TyTN?
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1895,2108029,00.asp
Only solution left:
Buy an n800.
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No, that's very misleading of Cingular. There's still no way to play streaming tracks on your mobile. Cingular's stupid service just lets you purchase tracks from napster or yahoo using your phone. The most pointless thing ever. Its nothing more than a cross promotional scheme.
The subscription music model can and will work. It will eventually dominate download services. But it can only happen when you can access and play the library from portable devices. 3G is here and yet this isn't happening. Its ridiculous.
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Maybe it wont be streaming but 3G is pretty fast for DLin a song (should be downloaded much quicker then a minute) and they're GIVING you unlimited service free for at least a year. Clearly it's not as nice but it's still not too shabby either (especially if you can DL over wifi if available!)
well for now i guess all you can do is get a bittorrent client for your phone, download any file/album you want without any DRM.
i don't see any problems with that..
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How about this:
http://www.mercora.com/m/
My G1 is two days old so came from the shop (T-Mobile, UK) with Android RC-30 already on. I've been trying to use it as a modem for my laptop on public transport (without success).
So far I have Tetherbot installed and the Socks service started on 1080, Android SDK is installed on the lappy (Ubuntu 8.04 LTS) and 'adb forward tcp:1080 tcp:1080) creates a port to which I can telnet to (and terminate from by pressing return). FF is configured to use a manual proxy on localhost:1080..
Also set the about:config network.proxy.socks_remote_dns flag to true.
All good, except when I enter any URL into FF, the status bar immediately shows 'Done' yet there's no rendering being done at all - still looking at a blank screen.
I've yet to try FoxyProxy which I'll give a go tonight - but I was wondering if it is currently possible to configure a instance of RC-30 w/o root access at all? Reading around, some people say it is while others say it isn't..
Many thanks,
Duncan
Definitely works in ota RC30. Snippet from the Tetherbot thread:
Make sure that you set FoxyProxy to use SOCKS for DNS lookups(under Global Settings)...this stumped me too at first
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Thanks! Web-browsing now works with FoxyProxy although I have to keep re-entering the ./adb forward tcp:1080 tcp:1080 command every few minutes..
Setting up the port-bouncer for ssh on 22 was less successful though, as it usually causes the Tetherbot application to crash.
Any ideas why T-Mobile wouldn't want you to use the phone as a modem anyway? Having come from an O2/Xda package I'd just expected that all modern phones would work as modems. Shame about the root lock-down too, I was half hoping for a meaningful bash shell and porting/installing Gnu utils, etc.
I guess the G1 would have the same data problems even if it were paired with a tablet like the N-800?
Many thanks,
Duncan
dsmith1974 said:
Any ideas why T-Mobile wouldn't want you to use the phone as a modem anyway? Having come from an O2/Xda package I'd just expected that all modern phones would work as modems.
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My guess is it has to do with anticipated network usage. I don't know how tethering works with data plans in the UK, but generally in the US unlimited data is divided into handset-only and full unlimited (e.g. for pc cards). Not only is data usage generally lower for mobile applications, you're also highly limited by battery life.
Shame about the root lock-down too, I was half hoping for a meaningful bash shell and porting/installing Gnu utils, etc.
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A lot of people were hoping for that. The G1 isn't that device though. Full unencumbered shell access would just be a nightmare from a customer service POV. The G1 is first and foremost a consumer device. A lot of those people could end up easily and irreversibly bricking their phones from a root shell.
Yeah i hear that, thats why i really dont care if i have root access. I'm sure in time all that we are wishing for will come out for g1, dont wanna ruin my phone!!! All i really want is internet sharing on mine.
A lot of people were hoping for that. The G1 isn't that device though. Full unencumbered shell access would just be a nightmare from a customer service POV.
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It has nothing to do with customer service, but T-Mobile's desire to retain control over things. They probably don't want people to do internet sharing, because it will slow down their network. What they don't realize, is that soon there are going to be a lot of unlocked android phones available which wont be subject to their policies.
What I don't get is that with any other HTC device you can boot the phone into SPL mode and flash a new image. With the G1, that is not possible.
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It has nothing to do with customer service, but T-Mobile's desire to retain control over things. They probably don't want people to do internet sharing, because it will slow down their network. What they don't realize, is that soon there are going to be a lot of unlocked android phones available which wont be subject to their policies.
What I don't get is that with any other HTC device you can boot the phone into SPL mode and flash a new image. With the G1, that is not possible.
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Your speculations are incorrect. T-Mobile stated that they will not stop or block internet sharing, but they will not help you either. Basically they remain neutral and that is why you think T-Mobile is against you.
Google blocked the usb mode image flash. So far we just don't know how to flash a new image because we are not sure if it is supposed to be DREA100.IMG or what is even in the image itself.
Back on topic, I think you will see a real solution when Android 1.0 is released. Or at least have a way to get full root. Basically from what has been said root was locked down not because of anything we did but because the source is not open yet. They are working on things behind the scenes and they need to finish those before they want us to fool around. Give them time to finish their projects and then they will let us start our own.
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It has nothing to do with customer service, but T-Mobile's desire to retain control over things. They probably don't want people to do internet sharing, because it will slow down their network. What they don't realize, is that soon there are going to be a lot of unlocked android phones available which wont be subject to their policies.
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It's funny you should make that statement in a thread about tethering on OTA RC30. Almost like you didn't know what the heck you were talking about...
neoobs said:
Your speculations are incorrect. T-Mobile stated that they will not stop or block internet sharing, but they will not help you either. Basically they remain neutral and that is why you think T-Mobile is against you.
Google blocked the usb mode image flash. So far we just don't know how to flash a new image because we are not sure if it is supposed to be DREA100.IMG or what is even in the image itself.
Back on topic, I think you will see a real solution when Android 1.0 is released. Or at least have a way to get full root. Basically from what has been said root was locked down not because of anything we did but because the source is not open yet. They are working on things behind the scenes and they need to finish those before they want us to fool around. Give them time to finish their projects and then they will let us start our own.
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A few things...
1. The source code has already been published (minus a few hardware specific drivers) at source.android.com. You can build an image from source and boot it on the emulator that Google has packaged with the android sdk. There still is no way to load said image on a G1 unless you have root of course.
2. Google didn't lock down SPL on the dream, HTC did. And it was probably because T-Mobile didn't want people loading their own firmware on a device that is already running on open source software.
3. Ever since this root nonsense has come to light, I don't buy the whole neutrality thing. If everyone had root access, we would have a much easier way to tether.
@jashu: I know exactly what I'm talking about because I tried doing the same thing on my friends G1 with the official RC30 firmware on it.
Datruesurfer said:
A few things...
1. The source code has already been published (minus a few hardware specific drivers) at source.android.com. You can build an image from source and boot it on the emulator that Google has packaged with the android sdk. There still is no way to load said image on a G1 unless you have root of course.
2. Google didn't lock down SPL on the dream, HTC did. And it was probably because T-Mobile didn't want people loading their own firmware on a device that is already running on open source software.
3. Ever since this root nonsense has come to light, I don't buy the whole neutrality thing. If everyone had root access, we would have a much easier way to tether.
@jashu: I know exactly what I'm talking about because I tried doing the same thing on my friends G1 with the official RC30 firmware on it.
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1. Google hasn't released the entire source code, even they have said that officially on the android site.
2. Google asked HTC to do that.
3. Google is the one that locked down root not T-Mobile. Again this goes back to them not having 1.0 released.
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@jashu: I know exactly what I'm talking about because I tried doing the same thing on my friends G1 with the official RC30 firmware on it.
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Not only does this convince me you don't know what you're talking about, it also leads me to believe you don't know what you're doing either. Just because you can't figure out the simple instructions to perform socks-based tethering when everyone else already has doesn't mean it is broken.
neoobs said:
3. Google is the one that locked down root not T-Mobile. Again this goes back to them not having 1.0 released.
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Android was 1.0 at the launch of G1. See the official release notes.
Thread is going off topic.
jashsu said:
Android was 1.0 at the launch of G1. See the official release notes.
Thread is going off topic.
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it is 1.0 RC30... meaning it is still beta. Not released yet.
This thread should have been closed quite some time ago.
Just fine on OTA RC30, Vista. I had to use Proxifier as I prefer Chrome to Firefox, but it works just fine. ADB crashes on very high performance downloads, but otherwise its fine.
rc-30 ?? i think not
dsmith1974 said:
My G1 is two days old so came from the shop (T-Mobile, UK) with Android RC-30 already on. I've been trying to use it as a modem for my laptop on public transport (without success).
So far I have Tetherbot installed and the Socks service started on 1080, Android SDK is installed on the lappy (Ubuntu 8.04 LTS) and 'adb forward tcp:1080 tcp:1080) creates a port to which I can telnet to (and terminate from by pressing return). FF is configured to use a manual proxy on localhost:1080..
Also set the about:config network.proxy.socks_remote_dns flag to true.
All good, except when I enter any URL into FF, the status bar immediately shows 'Done' yet there's no rendering being done at all - still looking at a blank screen.
I'v
e yet to try FoxyProxy which I'll give a go tonight - but I was wondering if it is currently possible to configure a instance of RC-30 w/o root access at all? Reading around, some people say it is while others say it isn't..
Many thanks,
Duncan
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Duncan, I think you should have another look at what device you have, tmouk devices came out with rc-7 and an ota put them upto 8, so before you start askin questions get your facts right. Also it wasn't tmobile alone that blocked the device being used as a modem it was a joint effort between htc google and tm to promote the use of the open source to its full potential. It also doesn't breach any fair use using the hset as a modem which if it 'wasnt' allowed then you would be breaching the fair use. Ta
jashsu said:
Definitely works in ota RC30. Snippet from the Tetherbot thread:
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Thanks this helped me a lot.
I have wanted to use WM Torrent for my HD2, now i use to download torrents from home, i had recently received a letter from my local service provider that my IP address was found with suspicious activity. i only downloaded old movies, and tv shows, nothing big, not like i was selling them., any way, so i was wondering, is there safe and secure way when using the "WM Torrent" app for the HD2? just want to be sure.
primus123 said:
I have wanted to use WM Torrent for my HD2, now i use to download torrents from home, i had recently received a letter from my local service provider that my IP address was found with suspicious activity. i only downloaded old movies, and tv shows, nothing big, not like i was selling them., any way, so i was wondering, is there safe and secure way when using the "WM Torrent" app for the HD2? just want to be sure.
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I guarantee you will stick out like a sore thumb if you start torrenting over your cellphone!
im with you. I turn my up/l down all the way trio slow up their effort. but I know that's not a fix all.
its a great app, how can we get it to work better!
on a side note, downloading torrents is not illegal at all, it is when you download warez and pirated movies and stuff like that when it becomes illegal.
ya,kinda figured i just download tv shows i miss cause of work and school,hate waiting 3 or 4 days for them to show up on website. ill give it a try,maybe look for a torrent privacy progran compatable for smartphones.
UseNet
You may want to look into UseNet (SSL Usenet).
There's a UseNet application for Windows Mobile called NZB Mobile.
if youre set on doing this, why not just tether your laptop to the phone or get a usb wifi stick if its a desktop and torrent using a full fledged client on a pc?
You're likely going to hit your 5gb monthly limit pretty quick
As stated previously, either look into Usenet, or purchase a VPN Subscription (cheaper than usenet). I have been using StrongVPN for a while now, and PPTP is perfectly fine for your needs (OpenVPN 2048 bit encryption is an overkill).
Torrents is not the way to go.
Really your best bet is to not download tv shows, I have been around since the AOL days of downloading, talking about private room .............., irc, etc.
Several people have told me they have received letters from their ISP, I do not understand, first off, I rarely use torrents.
Your best bet is to legally wait the extra days and just watch the tv show on the Networks website. If you're looking into watching your shows on your HD2, you may want to get a DVR that is capable of being hacked, at least that way you can download the shows you record to your PC, or better yet, get a TV Tuner card for your computer and record the shows directly to your hard drive.
Stay away from torrents and UseNet unless you plan to download LEGAL files.
Suprised the Mods that be are even allowing us to discuss this topic.
Good Luck, need any help looking for a good TV Tuner Card, let me know.
cdguider said:
Really your best bet is to not download tv shows, I have been around since the AOL days of downloading, talking about private room .............., irc, etc.
Several people have told me they have received letters from their ISP, I do not understand, first off, I rarely use torrents.
Your best bet is to legally wait the extra days and just watch the tv show on the Networks website. If you're looking into watching your shows on your HD2, you may want to get a DVR that is capable of being hacked, at least that way you can download the shows you record to your PC, or better yet, get a TV Tuner card for your computer and record the shows directly to your hard drive.
Stay away from torrents and UseNet unless you plan to download LEGAL files.
Suprised the Mods that be are even allowing us to discuss this topic.
Good Luck, need any help looking for a good TV Tuner Card, let me know.
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I in no way endorse or condone piracy in any way. I posted to offer methods that will keep the OP anonymous while downloading/browsing the internet. What he/she chooses to do with that is totally up to them. Nothing illegal has been discussed here, VPN's are perfectly legal.
a bit OT but if youre strictly downloading tv shows that just seems like a gray area to me, its content that was previously provided for free, and theres nothing illegal about recording tv broadcasts, and the networks generally provide the content for free on their websites after a period of time. I would kind of hope anyone that got dragged into court strictly over tv shows would have the case thrown out or just get a warning/slap on the wrist
Downloading movies and music is a whole nother beast in my opinon. Even though i hate the MPAA/RIAA with a passion,you deserve whats coming at you if youre downloading that content
I know it's possible to get malware from installing certain apps but can you get it from going on certain websites like on a pc? I think I went on a website that could possibly have had a virus, but is there any way of knowing if I have one or not? I just downloaded webroot and lookout free versions but I'm not sure if they protect from bad websites.
You can't get a virus by visiting a website on either a pc or tablet unless you click yes or accept some java thingy
There is a free ativirus i think on market
spot_1337 said:
You can't get a virus by visiting a website on either a pc or tablet unless you click yes or accept some java thingy
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This is not necessarily true, there are from time to time very critical bugs and exploits one can use to automatically set up a virus by just visiting a site, afaik. Those viruses are often OS and Browserspecific though. So just make sure everything is uptodate, and you're good to go
I don't think you should have much concerns about malware on android, as long as you don't download and install every app you come across.
It is very simple question and will be valid for many apps that are not available in certain regions.
I know I can still use netflix vis web browser but it would be cool to use their app as well.
Problem is, it will not be available in my region for a long, long time - can anything be done?
What region is that? If Netflix is available in your region and you can use their website it should be available in the Windows Store for you as well.
If you would look on the left, under my nick you would know that the region in question is Poland.
And if Netflix would be available in Poland I would not ask how can I get the Moder UI app + I would not say that it is not (service itself) available here
galtom said:
If you would look on the left, under my nick you would know that the region in question is Poland.
And if Netflix would be available in Poland I would not ask how can I get the Moder UI app + I would not say that it is not (service itself) available here
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Right, didn't think to look at the left for region...
Since you said you could still use Netflix in the browser I assumed it was available in your region. The only way I can see to get the app if Netflix isnt available in your region would be to get a copy of the app from someone who has it installed and somehow make it work on your computer (I haven't tested but I doubt transferring even a free app in to the right folder would be enough for it to work) and that's not something I think anyone here will help you with due to illicit redistribution of their app and breaking of their license agreement and so on.
Tried the Netflix app with the ELO touch screen we have and must say the kids love it.
Leonick said:
The only way I can see to get the app if Netflix isnt available in your region would be to get a copy of the app from someone who has it installed and somehow make it work on your computer (I haven't tested but I doubt transferring even a free app in to the right folder would be enough for it to work) and that's not something I think anyone here will help you with due to illicit redistribution of their app and breaking of their license agreement and so on.
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I dont think it is that easy. Apps for Modern UI can be downloaded only from Windows Stoder - unless you guys plan to jailbrake the system.
And I am not sure if argument you use "not something I think anyone here will help you with due to illicit redistribution of their app and breaking of their license agreement and so on." considering everything that is done here for Android devices.
I am more interested if there will be a way to unlock Windows Store like now we can unlock Google Play via Market Enabler. I understand that with GSM modem it is much easier... but...
So far I can only use Hulu and Netflix (on Windows) via web browser. I got to say that getting stuff like Netflix app is much easier on iOS...
galtom said:
It is very simple question and will be valid for many apps that are not available in certain regions.
I know I can still use netflix vis web browser but it would be cool to use their app as well.
Problem is, it will not be available in my region for a long, long time - can anything be done?
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Windows 8 store regionalisation is based on the honour system. All you have to do is change your location to the USA and Bob's your uncle.
In the start screen, search for 'Change Location'
change the windows region to USA,
install netflix, and any other apps you want
change back to your local region
You will probably need to change your region to the USA again if you need to update the apps.
I have tried this with Netflix and it worked for me in NZ. I still needed a vpn to run netflix though.
The web browser works better though
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Windows 8 store regionalisation is based on the honour system. All you have to do is change your location to the USA and Bob's your uncle.
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Really?? That simple???
I know I will (still) have to use VPN as app and service are two different thing but still - AWESOME NEWS.
This means that will be able to get other apps (if already available) like BBC iPlayer, 4oD, Hulu, etc....
BTW: Do you know if they did it the same thing with Windows Phone 8? And if WP8 has (finally) VPN support?
Thanks for the info anyway!
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ame thing with Windows Phone 8? And if WP8 has (finally) VPN support?
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I have no idea about windows phone 8.
SeanX said:
I have no idea about windows phone 8.
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Do you know about Windows RT? Perhaps instead of tablet/hybrid with Windows 8 Pro I could get a cheaper device with Windows RT on it...
If there is VPN support (as far as I know there is) and change os store location is as easy as in full Windows it would do me just fine.
I could do all the things I do toady on my iPad (netflix, hulu, web, email, etc...) + some more - at last comfortable typing.... I do write a lot and iPad is terrible if you work with Windows and text...