Hello
I've flashe new ROM from SE (Vodafone UK image APP_SW_X1i_VFE_UK_CDF1215-0285_KOV_R2AA007).
I ran SKTools benchmark before and had results as below (without tweaks):
Integer;327.3780;Moves/25 usec
Floating point;7.399;MWIPS
RAM access;1471;Speed index
Draw bitmaps;788;Speed index
Main storage (write);10326.05;KB/sec
Main storage (read);16786.89;KB/sec
Storage Card (write); 652.30;KB/sec
Storage Card (read);2084.12;KB/sec
Now the test results after upgrading:
Integer;327.5500;Moves/25 usec
Floating point;7.499;MWIPS
RAM access;1516;Speed index
Draw bitmaps;776;Speed index
Main storage (write);2133.33;KB/sec
Main storage (read);7102.89;KB/sec
Storage Card (write); 983.04;KB/sec
Storage Card (read);6212.34;KB/sec
As You see, performance of mainstorage is poor.
Please write your experiences.
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me the same, look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=459328&page=32
but subjective the device seems faster
hmm interesting, however from what i've seen around the forums, I believe SKtools benchmarks don't really provide very accurate results . . .
Other strange thing is that it's almost impossible to improwe performance using those well known tweaks (filesystem cache, glyph buffering ...)
mobilemodman said:
hmm interesting, however from what i've seen around the forums, I believe SKtools benchmarks don't really provide very accurate results . . .
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Well I used to repeat SKTools benchmark few times and use statistic theorem
So that results are stable. In fact running benchmark for the first time usually gives wrong results (differing from average).
@ macko - yep that is true aswell, however running the benchmark is so time consuming, I dont think anyone would actually bother getting all those statistics
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@ macko - yep that is true aswell, however running the benchmark is so time consuming, I dont think anyone would actually bother getting all those statistics
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My loved wife says the same
have you tried spb benchmark?
First of all, despite of the memory benchmarks, the results are quite the same. So what basically changed is the speed of Flash-Rom access, where the internal memory got slower and the external (memory card) appearently faster.
Did you have installed the SD card tweak on the previous and/or new ROM. It was said to be the only tweak really significantly improve the speed at all.
I also think that the memory card speed subjectively is quite low with the old ROM. The question now is: What's more important, high internal memory speed or high memory card speed. I'd go for the first since most applications are stored in the internal memory but that depends.
Does it also occur with other types of the new ROM, I mean from other manufacturers or without branding. I read that they differ slightly, so that could have an influence too.
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have you tried spb benchmark?
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I would like to but there was no sense if I didn't previously tested with it. Can anybody post results obtained using spb benchmark? (before - after)
Dandie said:
First of all, despite of the memory benchmarks, the results are quite the same. So what basically changed is the speed of Flash-Rom access, where the internal memory got slower and the external (memory card) appearently faster.
Did you have installed the SD card tweak on the previous and/or new ROM. It was said to be the only tweak really significantly improve the speed at all.
I also think that the memory card speed subjectively is quite low with the old ROM. The question now is: What's more important, high internal memory speed or high memory card speed. I'd go for the first since most applications are stored in the internal memory but that depends.
Does it also occur with other types of the new ROM, I mean from other manufacturers or without branding. I read that they differ slightly, so that could have an influence too.
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Hi Dandie,
the tweak was installed on both roms branded old/unbranded new,
on the branded rom the sd read and write was very faster after installing the sdcardtool
but
with the new rom the benchmark results are slower and much more with the tweak
i'm assuming updating the rom wipes the phone clean back to factory settings? i'd hate to have to reinstall everything?!
@ stats101: Right!
rookie333 said:
Hi Dandie,
the tweak was installed on both roms branded old/unbranded new,
on the branded rom the sd read and write was very faster after installing the sdcardtool
but
with the new rom the benchmark results are slower and much more with the tweak
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Ahm. what??? What I would like to see are benchmarks without the tweak, from both, old and new ROM. Did anyone try that?
Anyone with R2A can use SPB Benchmark please?
It's more accurated for a real use.
Then I post my result of R1A hardresetted.
Thx.
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Ahm. what??? What I would like to see are benchmarks without the tweak, from both, old and new ROM. Did anyone try that?
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hi dandie,
the benchmark from old rom i remember, was a little bit lower than the new rom without tweak.
anyway, i don't thrust the benchmark and the tweaks, because the system feels a bit faster, with or without tweak, there's no different.
Benchmarks ? Here we go !
Darth Sith said:
Anyone with R2A can use SPB Benchmark please?
It's more accurated for a real use.
Then I post my result of R1A hardresetted.
Thx.
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Have a look here :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=3242912#post3242912
In my POV mine runs pretty faster and stable
Curiously enough, benchmarks point towards the other direction
I ain't going back: I prefer "real feel" over cold benchmarks
gtrab said:
In my POV mine runs pretty faster and stable
Curiously enough, benchmarks point towards the other direction
I ain't going back: I prefer "real feel" over cold benchmarks
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Me neither !
My feelings are the same as yours ... !
I upgraded to R2A a few days ago on my x1a, and I couldn't really notice any significant difference in speed between the two firmwares just from day to day use. However, when I loaded up the HTC youtube app, I found the new firmware to clearly have quite a lot of difficulty playing back clips at high quality with dropped frames, desynced audio, etc, whereas the same youtube clips would play flawlessly on my R1A Xperia. Also, I feel like video playback is more choppy in the Media panel, although Coreplayer playback is still the same as before. I have reflashed my x1a twice with the R2A firmware, and both times video playback performance suffered. Now I'm back to R1A and video is working fine. Does anyone else have this problem?
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Hello guys,
I would like to ask if there is an app that would benchmark the ROM performance as opposed to the device performance as in the most of bencmarking apps available (SkTools, SPB Benchmark...). These apps can be used to benchmark ROMs too - but they show more about actual drivers performance than real life experience.
I did a search on the Internet but found nothing.
Is there anyone able to code such an app for the xda-devs community?
I am looking for program that would measure following:
- Boot up speed
- Start menu open speed
- Speed of opening settings menu from the Start menu
- Speed of opening programs menu from the Start menu
- Speed of opening the Windows folder from the Explorer
- Speed of opening a standard built in app (for example emulating green phone button press to open the dialer)
- Speed of changing screen orientation form portrait to landscape and back
- Speed of wake up from stand-by
- catch-all master statistic (derived from all other stats) to make it easier to rank the results for various ROMs/Devices
Any other statistics you may consider important when it comes to the speed of your shiny new cooked ROM. Please advise on what can also measure actual ROM performance.
The app would ideally run these tests several times (10x) and then log the average values into a results file.
I think it would help the ROM cookers to troubleshoot their creations and new users to choose the right ROM for them. In short this new application would test the GUI reactions - no benchmark app currently available does it. It is an important characteristics though, because that is what users come in contact with most often.
Thank you for your contributions!Thanks to MaRaHoX for his advice
May we will take a look ...
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May we will take a look ...
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Thanks a lot. I think GUI performance benchmarks are useful even in device to device comparison.
(Rare post by me but...)
Perhaps a single benchmark score would be good to determine the relative difference between the ROM being tested and a controlled test....ie WM6 Vanilla??
so a ROM which scores out in total maybe 3 times better (overall) than the control ROM would score like this:
"XDA-Bench score: 3.00" .............. something like?
the best overall performing ROM would have the highest overall score relative to the control test (vanilla)............im not sure im explaining my concept very well?!?!
ofcourse all the test results could be viewed in detailed view in the same sort of format as the xls spreadsheet??
This way a ROM can undergo a test with a custom setup on anybodys device and get a score to really see how it fairs against other ROMs? I personally see this as a similar sort of thing as PCMark or 3DMark??
EDIT::: just thought it would be cool to see how an app installed affects the XDA-Bench score?? Ive noticed certain apps tend to slow down the device whilst other dont?!
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(Rare post by me but...)
Perhaps a single benchmark score would be good to determine the relative difference between the ROM being tested and a controlled test....ie WM6 Vanilla??
so a ROM which scores out in total maybe 3 times better (overall) than the control ROM would score like this:
"XDA-Bench score: 3.00" .............. something like?
the best overall performing ROM would have the highest overall score relative to the control test (vanilla)............im not sure im explaining my concept very well?!?!
ofcourse all the test results could be viewed in detailed view in the same sort of format as the xls spreadsheet??
This way a ROM can undergo a test with a custom setup on anybodys device and get a score to really see how it fairs against other ROMs? I personally see this as a similar sort of thing as PCMark or 3DMark??
EDIT::: just thought it would be cool to see how an app installed affects the XDA-Bench score?? Ive noticed certain apps tend to slow down the device whilst other dont?!
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Thanks for your ideas - Available benchmarks have something like synthetic master score (check my benchmark thread - link is in my sig). Slowdown measuring is also interesting idea. Hopefully somebody will make this xda-bench a reality
Testing methodics
Hi KarhU,
I was thinking about it and one more thing about it - it is also really important to define starting point for this ROM - or better is to say "comparable state"... f.e. - to switch off all today items etc. I understand that for user is better to know how the ROM is powerful in real state... maybe to consider this note as a basic for discussion about it (if it is not already mentioned there or somewhere else )
Glad to help little bit with this important and purposeful work!
M.
I think the official HTC rom would be the best to use as a control rom for comparisons. I would run this app every time I install a new piece of software, at the moment my orbit is running a bit slow, I've just overdone it a bit at the moment, so it would be great to see exactly how an installation affects my system. It would be useful to developers and cookers alike. I hope the idea really takes off.
This would be a great app if developed! I agree with a those above that the official HTC rom would be the best one to use as a control rom for comparisons.
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Hi KarhU,
I was thinking about it and one more thing about it - it is also really important to define starting point for this ROM - or better is to say "comparable state"... f.e. - to switch off all today items etc. I understand that for user is better to know how the ROM is powerful in real state... maybe to consider this note as a basic for discussion about it (if it is not already mentioned there or somewhere else )
Glad to help little bit with this important and purposeful work!
M.
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Interesting idea - currently my tests were done WYSIWYG method - I wanted to compare the ROMs with their basic settings to see actual performance in more "real life" conditions. You are right that if we want to compare the base there should be comparable testing starting point.
I suggest to add the following test for phone devices:
- time lag between 'caller heard first ring' and 'the device actually rings'
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I suggest to add the following test for phone devices:
- time lag between 'caller heard first ring' and 'the device actually rings'
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This is a good one and very often people are interested in this statistics, but it is hard to measure as you need two phones.
::bump that!::
Bump! Time to resurrect the thread
i like this idea
Hi to all, I would share with you my experience with this software:
http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=speedbooster
just installed on my Diamond, and now everything runs smoother and faster!!
I don't know exactly how it works but I must say that it's amazing!
I didn't notice any difference ... :/
Thanks Diego,
I will play around with it this to compare the before and after.
give us a screenshot with the settings that you made so we can try them, I didn't notice any difference either...
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Hi to all, I would share with you my experience with this software:
http://www.teksoftco.com/index.php?section=speedbooster
just installed on my Diamond, and now everything runs smoother and faster!!
I don't know exactly how it works but I must say that it's amazing!
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Yes, it makes a difference for my diamond too.
I'm using the settings shown on their forum:
Code:
increase gwes.exe for overall drawing speed
increase targetapp.exe to make it run smoother
change target app to the process you use most, like browser or game.
Does this app have any impact on Battery?
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Does this app have any impact on Battery?
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overclocking usually kills the battery but diamond microprocessor cant be overcloced... i dont understand very well what does this app do to the device....
i am gonna try it... the posted one is trial 5 days.
It does not overclock the diamond CPU as so far it is not possible, i have CPU benchmarked before and after to prove this and it is no different.
I also do not notice any performance difference from this software, but that may be due to running duttys rom which already includes many performance tweaks.
I installed the trial and maybe I was being paranoid but my battery levels were just dropping more than normal and I wasn't even using the phone . Didn't notice any improvement on the phone either while I had a quick play.
Speedbooster uninstalled.
Speedbooster - Does it work??
Well... I downloaded the 5 day trial but the trial is limited to only partially tweaking/enhancing aspects of the Diamond.
But in saying that I noticed some apps refreshing faster. At almost 15 Euro's I am not game enough to buy this program to see if it works. Our poor Australian dollar would make this program as expensive as 9 BigMacs (without fries!) or half a tank of petrol.
I have tried so many tweaking programs and my conclusion is that if you want your Diamond to run faster wait for future models with a faster processor than the now old & slow Qualcomm 528Mhz. I read that 600 Mhz to 1 Ghz processors are coming.
I would certainly give up my 9 BigMacs for a faster CPU. Only with that will we see a real speed boost in our HTC's!!!
Aussie
correct me if I am wrong but doesnt changing the Pagepool do the same?
anyway all we are talking about here is a milliseconds in time difference.
Are we that time poor that we cant wait 0.5 second for an app to load?
The diamond has its limitations & i would say after a year or so of tweaking the ROMs & all the apps that we have just about reached that limitation.
sounds like a scam to me
No much good reactions, thats sad, i hoped this program would be a nice add-on to our Diamond.
Yeah, just lets wait on new phones with a decent processor, 1 Ghz would be awesome, i'm sure they are will coming very soon
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Well... I downloaded the 5 day trial but the trial is limited to only partially tweaking/enhancing aspects of the Diamond.
But in saying that I noticed some apps refreshing faster. At almost 15 Euro's I am not game enough to buy this program to see if it works. Our poor Australian dollar would make this program as expensive as 9 BigMacs (without fries!) or half a tank of petrol.
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it tried a full cracked version and didnt like it. after a lot of benchmarks i didnt notice any difference...
Ι also used ful verison, to my custom rom, and turn to full gwes.exe and manila2.exe . The diference is very big. I didnt expected it. I dont know if the same will happen to original rom version . (I dont think there is manila2.exe to the original rom)
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Ι also used ful verison, to my custom rom, and turn to full gwes.exe and manila2.exe . The diference is very big. I didnt expected it. I dont know if the same will happen to original rom version . (I dont think there is manila2.exe to the original rom)
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Yeah its the same for me. Speedbooster makes some apps run much faster.
Strange thing is that the benchmark result is usually the same. This might be a good thing - meaning that the CPU speed remains the same, but it just gives more power to some specific app instead of another. Actually this is exactly what I want:
I don't care about the stupid OS doing stupid things, but I DO CARE about my GPS or webbrowser - and here this proggie seems to give a useful hand.
I agree about the price, is a bit expensive, but at least it works
About the price...
You can get it for free on the developer's website, it's some kind of promotion, you only need to install it, run a benchmark with the built in tool, and post your score:
http://teksoftco.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2011
hurry up, I don't know how much it will last!
How it works.
It modifies the process priority similarly to the task manager in windows.
It does other stuff too but that's basically what it does.
and what's the verdict ? does it speed up our Diamonds ? (i was testing it... and didn't notice any difference :/ )
It DOES have impact on performance.
Its very easy to test. Try to lower the system apps and services and you will se that the device run slower.
On TF3D its very clear the it makes it run faster/slower if you change the priority.
My opinion; It works...somehow.
To all people who flashed with Gold Card method, please make or if you just did it, report your spb benchmark in order to verify if it has something to do with a general low performance profile.
Thanx so much.
http://forum.revskills.de/viewforum.php?f=13. It seems that it would be possible to revert back to the situation before using Gold Card and that it has to do with ARM processor. I don't have the knowledge to face the kind of problems but it seems that my CPU low performance has something to do with Gold Card method used. So please help me to find out what has happend!
Thx so much!
I used the Goldcard quite some time ago.
The first effect was that my phone actually got a speed boost.
Maybe the specialists at the forum which you linked can be more helpful?
Hi,
Gold card has nothing to do with speed, it writes some code to the SD card to make your device think that it is a Service Center loader flashing a rom to your device.
this is why gold card ONLY works for OFFICIAL roms and not cooked.
your speed issue is something else. maybe your rom!!
also the HD2 has CPU scaling on it, there are many people here who have checked the speed of the HD2 CPU and found it not to be 1000MHz as advertised, but this is because the processor is in a low power state, and it scales up when it is needed to calculate something.
what rom are you using?
MG
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Well I have done some testing. I can 100 % say that on my ROM's flashing without Storage card does make a difference. The benchmarks are faster, but more importantly it is more smooth and stable. I will be instructing all my users to flash without storage card, not for the benchmarks but for better stability.
There is some strange things going on with the storage card ever since the Documents tab was introduced. This has also led to problems with Extendir.
I suspect that they could be related.
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Not really related but kind of. Also look <<HERE>> additional confirmation that taking out the SD Card = Performance Gain.
Weird, I know..
As for the gold card performance loss, actually that sounds just as weird...
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/new-hack-for-desire-and-nexus-one-data2ext/
Would this work on our phone? It greatly increases performance, and someone is porting it to the nexus one.
heres a link to the script : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859419
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http://www.xda-developers.com/android/new-hack-for-desire-and-nexus-one-data2ext/
Would this work on our phone? It greatly increases performance, and someone is porting it to the nexus one.
heres a link to the script : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=859419
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I only took a quick look but it seems as they are just using an ext partition on sd card in place of the data partition. That is what we did with Dual Rom. We used system and data partitions of the phone, one for each rom. Then both roms used and ext partition of sd for the data partitions. We did see benchmarks about 25% higher with that method. I hit as high as 617 quad score with a Froyshedyo. Average was around 590-600. But again these are benchmark scores so take them for what they are worth. I ran the rom for an extended period of time and also have gone back and forth and I can't say that I really see a 25% increase in performance that the benchmarks showed.
Then again maybe i read the links wrong and this is completely different lol.
I think this is just creating a buffer for the I/O using a SD partition. It was done a while ago I think on a galaxy phone I believe... I don't know. I mentioned it a long time ago but I think the consensus was that it wouldn't do much for us.
If anyway could give a straight answer on this it would be fantastic. (not being sarcastic towards the other replies. those are greatly appreciated as well)
I'm pretty curious about this though. Does anyone know if this would actually cause a significant increase in noticeable performance for us? And if so would this be possible?
From what I read about it last night it basically only improves the Quadrant scores, and doesn't do anything really noticeable for performance.
Don't take my word for it though, I could be wrong, thats just what I found from the small bit of research I did.
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From what I read about it last night it basically only improves the Quadrant scores, and doesn't do anything really noticeable for performance.
Don't take my word for it though, I could be wrong, thats just what I found from the small bit of research I did.
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Yeah that's pretty much all I can really find too. That it increases quadrant scores. Particularly the I/O score. But i don't have enough knowledge on this stuff to know what exactly that would do to the phone's performance overall.
I recall someone saying that all it really did was "give Quadrant what it wanted", so basically does nothing more then increase your scores.
Sounds pretty useless to me. >.>
I've had this on my Moment for awhile, Samdroid developed this for the Galaxy spica, which is the GSM version of the Moment. SDX ported it to the Moment, and while yes it does give better quadrant scores, it does increase performance. It did help out a lot even more when Samsung and Sprint just abandoned the phone completely. For phones with older and slower hardware, you'll notice a difference. But with phones with Snapdragon or faster, you won't notice it too much.
Hello,
two days ago i changed the size of my Vm-heap to 32mb. I was curious after i read in some posts that this could affect the performance of resource-intensiv apps. As i am using navigon-navigation a lot i had to give it a try...
After ive changed it and rebootet the device, navigon works MUCH better then before, track calculation is much faster and the app is much more responsive and running fluent. The difference is highly noticeable. For other apps like my browser i experiecend the same.
I read that the downside of it is that it is possible that apps could be moved out of memory because some other apps now use more ram and so the jumping between apps could be more time intensive. But i have noticed no slow down at all.
(Wildfire is not a fast phone, but i think 384 mb ram is really good for that kind of phone, some other phones like galaxy ace have only 287 RAM with better cpu)
My experience is that a lot of apps running much better know, and for me its a absolute performance enhancement, I would even go so far that i would say it was the best performance-enhacement after overclocking the device. So if you are running resource-intensive apps (like navigation browsing) you should definitely give it a try.
Whats your experience with that ? Ever changed the vm heap size? Noticed differences??
Cheers.
im rocking 32 since i s-off my phone with alpharevx beta,and yes its better for intensive apps (imo) but the one thing i cant understand is way my phone i lagging when i get a call??some times the ringtone is playing and the screen is black,any tips thx
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im rocking 32 since i s-off my phone with alpharevx beta,and yes its better for intensive apps (imo) but the one thing i cant understand is way my phone i lagging when i get a call??some times the ringtone is playing and the screen is black,any tips thx
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im running my phone with the ondemand governor with cpu-min:528 and cpu-max:691 and i have no lag when someone is calling.
Nhs666 said:
im running my phone with the ondemand governor with cpu-min:528 and cpu-max:691 and i have no lag when someone is calling.
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It is indeed said that such lag is due to the 'extreme' underclocking of the processor.
I'm on CM7 RC1, use SMARTASS with 245 as a minimum, and haven't noticed any lag yet..
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It is indeed said that such lag is due to the 'extreme' underclocking of the processor.
I'm on CM7 RC1, use SMARTASS with 245 as a minimum, and haven't noticed any lag yet..
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I didn't want to implicate that the ringing lag is about the low freq., but i noticed that with such low freq's the phone is not so responsive when pulling suddenly the notificationbar, get it out of standby and such things. Never noticed something like that??
I was testing about it too. i settled with 32mb heap size, which i've found to be the best practice. Anything lower would make apps like navigon or opera lag, anything higher, would give me force closes on apps for some reason.
I also tried to experiment with compcache, with the following settings "disabled, 18%, 26%" and i think 26% makes my wildfire a bit snappier, although it might be just a placebo effect, because there's no difference in quadrant/linpack benchmarks.
why placebo effect....the question is how good can a benchmark represent the practial application in daily usage. Anybody?
I tried vm heap bigger than 32mb too. But while running navigon it seems to me not much as a big improvement so i switched back.
The compcage thing will be the next thing im testing.
Nhs666 said:
why placebo effect....the question is how good can a benchmark represent the practial application in daily usage. Anybody?
I tried vm heap bigger than 32mb too. But while running navigon it seems to me not much as a big improvement so i switched back.
The compcage thing will be the next thing im testing.
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I have to agree with you Whatever makes my phone "feeling" snappier and faster is good enough in my eyes!
You should really check Juwes Ram optimization thread in the Android development section for some serious performance gain. I flashed it yesterday in CM 7.1 Nightly 144 and the responsiveness boost is quite noticeable.
i agree the synthetic benchmarks are not that important its the daily use performance that mater to me
I have disabled compcache and enabled swap and my phone is snappier than 18%compcache may be Coz of compressing and decompression techniques that slow the process in compcache and scores 3.9 to 4.1 on linpack score with 576 MHz speed...
Sent from my HTC Wildfire
vijaykirann said:
I have disabled compcache and enabled swap and my phone is snappier than 18%compcache may be Coz of compressing and decompression techniques that slow the process in compcache and scores 3.9 to 4.1 on linpack score with 576 MHz speed...
Sent from my HTC Wildfire
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Hmm i have a swap partition already made just in case and i might try it, but in theory a swap partition (even worse if it's a file) is much slower than the compressed cache due to the SD Speed limitations, unless we are discussing about class 10 cards.
anyone ?