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WM5.0 / Exchange SP2 / MSFP

We have now some wm5.0 devices and exchange sp2 is out - still waiting for the MSFP.
What new features of SP2 we can use without MSFP. I just found out that only task synchronisation with exchange is working now.
Anybody found out what else?

Hi mobileprofi
WM5+E2k3 SP2 adds task, photo on contacts and better sync compression. The rest of the goodies we will have to wait for, my money is on jan-feb but I would be happy to get it before christmas :wink:

chosl said:
Hi mobileprofi
WM5+E2k3 SP2 adds task, photo on contacts and better sync compression. The rest of the goodies we will have to wait for, my money is on jan-feb but I would be happy to get it before christmas :wink:
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Dont hold your breath there, or u will end up a funny shade of blue of purple
The Windows Mobile / MSFP website says that devices and upgrades for MSFP will be available from OEM's etc early next calendar year.
I have also asked i-mate the question of when they plan to release the update. They have responded early 2006 so i guess bthey are waiting for Microsoft to complete it. i-mate has also stated that it will be available as a complete ROM update for WM 5.0.
Regards,
Chris

I took a webinar on the new features in E2k3SP2 and asked specificaly of the presenter if this update would only be available from the OEM vendors.
His response (I am paraphrasing):
Microsoft does not want folks to not get a WM5 device because they are waiting for the new feature pack. Therfore they are going to offer it as a free download on the Microsoft website for folks who already have WM5 devices. In the first quarter of next year it will begin shipping on the ROM from the OEM providers.
The way he said it, it sounded like we may be able to get this before the end of the year (there is an existing beta program already underway).

Thank god for that. Have just found out that my provider did a quiet update to SP2, and am straining at the bit to get Push email! Bring it on...

I really hope microsft do post the update, the wording on the website did make me think otherwise though
If you click the link below, at the very bottom right you will see what i mean.
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsmobile/business/5/default.mspx
I'm upgrading my works Exchange Server to SP2 next week so it would be great to get my hands on the feature pack before next year
Later,
Chris

Sorry but you will find that Microsoft IS (100% guaranteed) leaving it up to the OEMs to ship (or not) the MSFP around Feb/Mar 2006.
The MSFP will be released as a ROM update by each of the respective OEMs (i.e. HP, XDA, i-Mate etc).

I do agree, MS is leaving it up to the OEM to include in the ROM.
On the flip side, the MS dude I talked to who was on the team making the code said that MS will offer it as a download for existing WM5 device owners so that they can have the same functionality as the new (updated ROM) devices.

MrHappy said:
I do agree, MS is leaving it up to the OEM to include in the ROM.
On the flip side, the MS dude I talked to who was on the team making the code said that MS will offer it as a download for existing WM5 device owners so that they can have the same functionality as the new (updated ROM) devices.
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Not really sure what the MS dude means. But the ROM is flashable and the MSFP will be incorporated into a new ROM (called upgrade because its a never version than the prior :wink: ) So existing WM5 device owners will have to flash their device when the update is available. Devices bought after jan/feb/march will already have this version preloaded but the will ofcourse have the ability to upgrade the ROM when a never version is available. Definition ROM (Read Only Memory) confuses it a bit?
No one would be happier than me if MSFP would be available as a separate component but since security is in the picture and its tightly coupled with the OS I can understand if do it this way.
Perhaps some truly talented person succeeds with breaking out the bits and pieces from the rom so it can be used in non official WM5 devices. But by then most of the existing WM2003 (upgraded to leaked WM5 builds) probably got tired of waiting and bought an official WM5 device.
MrHappy, sorry if it sounds as a rant. It's not intended as a rant.
Cheers

Anti theft apps available?

I'm looking for an anti-theft app. I don't know if it exists yet.
Is there an equivalent to the symbian phone apps "Anti-thief" or "EzProtect"? It has some nice features to let your pda "phone home" when someone is tinkering with it, or you can remotely disable your pda by sending a password though sms.
I've been searching over the net and found "Kill-pda" but that can only erase the device completely by sms. Thats a bit overkill :lol:
I hope someone knows, because i learned the hard way that you really need an app like this. My phone got stolen once and I got a Huge A$$$ bill for calling to egypt en italy
edit: I found this description for EzProtect:
The application sends an SMS to your specified number as soon as the SIM card has been changed. By this way, you receive SMS on your friend's (or whoever's number u defined) cell with the thief's cellnumber and SIM number (IMSI) so it becomes very easy to track the thief.
I definately want an app that can do this. And I can imagine a lot of people wanting it too.

There was a discussion about this on HoFo in Oct ober when people first started receiving their Wizards. I think BTT (BeyondtheTech) mentioned something about it. I'll see if I can track it down this evening.
It certainly would be cool.

Check this out! http://www.ppcsg.com/index.php?s=0c0cedfa906ae1b85f844fb7b497def6&showtopic=65021
Hope this works. I have not tried this myself.

Thanks a lot for your help, but that was the program i mentioned in the threadstart "PDAKill".
The only thing it can do is erase the device completely when you send a sms to your pda containing a predifined password.
But when the thief takes out the simcard and puts in his own, then this program would be useless.

Guys, if I've seemed distracted for the last few days, this is why:
I've been working on a program called VJAccioPhone.
It is used to detect if your phone has been stolen and to permit remote use of the stolen phone. Your phone doesn't have to be stolen, eg if for some reason your wife is likely to discover your "niece's" affectionate messages to you, you can send a password protected remote keyword to format your phone and hardreset it. I'm sure you can think of better examples!
It's an expansion of some code I wrote for my unreleased plugin, VJEphemeris, which you can read about here. The release version allows you to do pretty much anything you can do with the phone when it's in your hand, all remotely. Destructive and constructive control.
This is a pre-announcement. I don't like preannouncing, but unfortunately this week I've been on a very limited programming quota due to the ministrations of my better half. So although the code is finally finished, it's being beta tested while I'm away on holiday. If all is well when I get back next week, hopefully I'll try to get it released!
Don't tell anyone else, but you can read about VJAccioPhone and see screenshots here. Please note, and don't ask, there is no download available at the moment.
V

Aside from that a program like this would be very handy, and I'm quite curious and will keep an eye on it myself, I advise everyone to activate the pin code on their simcard, and always call their mobile operator as soon as the phone is stolen so they can block your number to avoid getting high bills as the topicstarter said... You should also be able to get your number back easily by requesting a new sim card and having your mobile number set to that simcard again.
This may seem obvious to some people, but I just wanted to post it anyway since a lot of people are still not aware of these simple ways to protect yourself.

Absolutely true; in England, the police aren't interested in persuing phone theft, but for you own benefit, you must always have your IMEI blocked and the phone reported stolen immediately to prevent you being charged for calls.
VJAccioPhone will be able to report back to you even if the IMEI has been changed or it's being used abroad etc. It's more for protecting your data on the stolen phone then getting the phone back. Frankly, any thief would do better to throw the phone away then persue cracking strong protections. Stolen phones are easy enough to come by! However, at least a nice passer by might be able to get in touch with you!
V

Sounds great! Would it be possible to enable the phone ID (Where you can enter your name and contact details) thought this might be good if it was ever found (or part of the hard reset).

Wauw, this is great stuff Vijay!
If you need a beta-tester on the wizard platform, i would highly recommend myself
This would be excactly what everyone needs 8)
Would it be possible to save the configuration settings? Because my idea would be to include the cab file in my extended_rom, and thus make it install itself even after a hard reset. This would mean that the configurations settings also have to be loaded after the hard reset.
Keep up the great work Vijay

frigit: if you mean enable password screen, yes, should be no problem. however i'm thinking of writing a better custom password screen using some strong encryption, with optional destruction on failure.
leploep: of course, it's designed for extended rom etc. right now protection works as a ta k, for the demo, but i'll be writing protection into an invisible app. Remote control is already complete and works transparently when triggered, so the thief won't even realise what you're doing ie there's no sign of the control smss being received to the thief.
eg you can background call the police from the stolen phone
more when i'm back from holiday next week!
v

This is starting to sound like a killer app - pun intended 8)

I'm in for sure when you get this finished, Vijay!

Already finished for the demo version!
kept me quite busy, developing three intersecting programs, like playing chess! but they all seem to work ok. a friend is testing it hopefully this week then i'll see what i can do for wider release when i get back...
v

Well vijay555 , you can put me on the list of very interested persons on buying this soft.
Cheers mate.

vijay will this work on all the wm5.0 devices??
i.e. I have the pda2k with wm5.0 and have been looking for a prog like this since i got my device, also is it possible to keep this program after hard reset ?? as you know if a hard reset is done the data is gone, but the user now has an expensive device to start playing with

it's not been tested on wm5 at this time, actually because the guy testing has a wm2003 motorola - gulp! but everything i write is normally wm5 & wm2003 now. there is no reason why it's not wm5 compatible but i'll ensure it is before release. i can certainly say, to my pain, the hardReset keyword is very wm5, i activated it by accident in testing.
retaining it after hard reset is only possible, as far as i am aware, by using a custom ext rom or rom.i've not tried it on my magician or universal, but hopefully your device in particular ext rom customisation is possible. at this time it uses registry & normal exe/dll files to run, so no reason it can't be ext rom'med. hopefully this will be confirmed in testing shortly.
if anyone can think of any particularly useful remote keywords to incorporate drop me a line. as it is, the full version will permit remote .exe launching so it can do pretty much anything
v

a lot of us have paid an arm and leg for our devices so having that extra peace of mind,knowing that if your device is nicked your going to make it as hard as poss for the theif to try and profit from your loss.
vijay all the best mate so far your app looks very promising iv got the exec running WM05 so if you need a beta tester let me know LOL
and guys if you report your phone as lost make sure your service provider is also going to blacklist the device!
I work for Vodafones in a call centre in the birmingham, UK,but the amount of customer services that is outsoursed to other non vodafone call centres based here in the UK its unbelievable! the amount of complaints I deal with and customers accounts that I come across where the outsourced twats
will admin bar your sim card but not blacklist the handset!
anyway I'll keep my eyes open for any more theftbashing apps and will post on here.

N2h said:
I work for Vodafones i
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But have an O2 phone.....

Whow V.
Looks very very promising.. !
Great Job man :!:
i'd be happy to check it on my devices :wink:
Cheerz

lol mcwarre
even with our staff accounts we can't get the pdas as they are only available for busniess customers to be honest with you don't know why vodafone is stupid enough not to sell to normal consumers its the biggest network in the uk,
the staff phones we do get we gets 12 months line rental free lol
annnnd from all the universals I think the exec with its black shell looks the most stunning-the white shell devices just look a tad bulkier! lol

Pocket Mechanic (AntonTomov) - Installation problems

Hi,
I purchased the latest version of AntonTomov's PocketMechanic via Handango and received the registration key immediately after finished purchase procedure.
Installation on my TyTN seemed to work out first (the program accepted the key with a message box and a sound).
But only moments later a message box popped up, telling me I use a pirated version and should turn to the manufacturer, which I did (also mailed Handango).
Meanwhile tried to install PM several times (always removing all traces from both PC and TyTn incl. Registry and rebooted) - to no avail.
Meanwhile received a new serial, but same story again: first accepted and immediately afterwards aborted with Piracy message.
A new complaint mail is on ist way.
Meanwhile I'm asking here if anybody had similar problems in getting the Pocket Mechanics to work on a TyTN.
Appreciating feedback and will let te community know how it worked out for me.

I would not use or buy Tomov's products out of principal.
Found a lot of threads about earlier version doing a hard reset without asking, when inputted a "pirated" serial. So be glad it only shows a box nowdays.
While software piracy is not a good thing, at least for people developing propietary software. Tomov has used a bit too drastic measures to fight
back.

jeezus said:
I would not use or buy Tomov's products out of principal.
Found a lot of threads about earlier version doing a hard reset without asking, when inputted a "pirated" serial. So be glad it only shows a box nowdays.
While software piracy is not a good thing, at least for people developing propietary software. Tomov has used a bit too drastic measures to fight
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This does not make me too comfortable :-(
I also read a few note about that on the net and a reply by Tomov, complaining that this is not true and only a campaign to cut him off his revenues.
Well, I do not know what to believe, however this uncertainty is also not too comfortable...
Well the Pocket Mechanic way of uses some hardware dependent functions and - if you dare to take use of such - you have to either be very careful and also prepared that they might not work on untested and after all very new (such as the TyTN) devices.
I was prepared for all of that but not that I receive a piracy mail (which somewhat alsmost accuses you of being a software pirate and telling you to mail to [email protected]) when I purchased the software (which I can also prove).
Maybe he uses some hardware related mechanism to check eligibility of the serial and as he hasn't tested yet the TyTN (which he admits) this software won't allow being registered at all. I do not know.
But isn't such a meachanism pure over-kill ?
Actually something like that must be going on as I receive this pop up also after a new install and having purged all remnants from the PC, the PDA and the registry.
If I'd be trying out serials just at random, would anyone think that I'll millions of times do that complete procedure just to find any working key at the end of my life maybe ???
(And if I'd be a professional hacker I'd disassemble the code and be able to work around even these barriers.)
So, applying over-kill measures like that only brings problems to decent users, risking to run into problems when using special configurations or ne devices.
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Apart from that I must say that Tomov's applications seem well coded and also graphically very nice (one wonders how graphically nice application you can program for PDAs; shame upon Microsoft for their pre-installed poor applications !!!).
Also I see no real alternatives for some functionality he provided within one software, that's why I purchased the PM.
Finally again my question:
Has anyone encountered the same problems with the PM on a HTC TyTN ?
(btw: Thanks "jeezus" for your feedback.)

Might I inquire which funktionality you need?
Maybe we can find an alternative solution.

When will the I-mate Jasjam come out in Australia???????

Hi all I am just wondering when the Jasjam will be out in Australia? Also would you recommend it? If not what would you recommend? Thanks heaps.

The jasjam is expected to come out in Australia sometime between when hell freezes over and when Telstra gets their act together. Telstra has an exclusive deal to sell the imate jasjam up until xmas or there abouts. Its expected to launch late sept/early october on Telstra.
Additionally Dopod in conjunction with 3 will launch the Dopod 838Pro later this month or early next month, this is a similar device to the jasjam just different rom/bundled software/casing and the dopod is expected to be alot cheaper then the imate, imate are charging more for their variant for some reason.
I would recommend any Hermes device, bar the CHT 9000 and any O2 Asia variants. I found the TyTN very useful, fast, efficient, light weight, and whilst I liked the 'spacier' button layout of the TyTN the M3100 (also same layout as Jasjam and dopod 838Pro) was still all of the above just a little less room for error with the buttons and when your in a hurry.

Thanks heaps for all the info it has really helped!!!!!

One question how would the warranty work if I got one from U.K or USA on E-bay?

Osir1s I take it that you have got a tytn? Ifso where did you get it? If you don't mind my asking how much did you pay for it? Thanks heaps.

Osir1s would it be OK if I added you to my MSN Messenger contacts?

Regardless of whether you purchase a jasjam, tytn, dopod, etc etc since none are currently sold in Australia all of them will carry an international warranty. HTC Warranty is very good as its international and transferrable, i-mate for example can be real pricks with their warranties from time to time, dopod im not sure about etc.
You may also be interested to know if you really want a jasjam expansys newzealand, not AU but the new zealand website can sell the jasjams to Australians however you will pay $1410 for it.
I purchased my TyTN through ebay, but look around there are plenty of stores selling TyTNs, its the dopods, jasjams, trions that are harder to come by. I have no experience with these people but alot of ppl on these boards in another thread recommend www.smart-mobile-gadgets.com or MadMonkeyBoys website whatever that is.
For a TyTN you shouldnt pay more then $1100AU put it that way. obviously as aforementioned jasjams etc will set you back more, but for the TyTN no more then $1100AU, maybe $1120 at absolutely max depending on the exchange rate at the time.
I hope this has been of some help.

Any news on the release date?

it will be released around christmas time. This device is currently tested and configured for telstra 3G wap portal.

That long?

DOPOD is officilally launched as business in Australia in Sydney last week.
both DOPOD 838 pro and DOPD 595 are coming to Australia and will be disrtibuted by 3 Networks and OPTUS. Also, thanks to Brightpoint, these models will be also available in retail chains.

yeah, they tried to implement it into their DB device but fails due to the firmware problem. [ Can not Stream the live video and video on demand ]. However, their appointed partner ( which I can not tell you - I am working for that company ) is working on it and this device is going to deploy sometime next week.

Australian avail..
Good to hear. I also heard a date next week for something related, and think there would be a very big hole if Jasjam isn't part of it.
but, does this mean it will launch feature-incomplete with a promise that "the rest will come real soon now"?

godtakeit said:
yeah, they tried to implement it into their DB device but fails due to the firmware problem. [ Can not Stream the live video and video on demand ]. However, their appointed partner ( which I can not tell you - I am working for that company ) is working on it and this device is going to deploy sometime next week.
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So you have been working on a software solution to stream real media??? or am I reading to much into this?
Because I have a JasJar, and still to date, have been unable to watch any video streams at all.
Would be really intersted to hear what you were working on.....

In the past, Telstra 3G live stream only supports 3GP and RM (Real Media ) since there is no PDA device in their so-called marketing list. However, they decide to bring PDA into the market and support wm9 format.
Problem is, Windows Media Player connects into the media server but fails to extract and pick up the correct video format ( for the optimal & performance purposes ). We found firmware isn't compatible with media stream server. Solution is to let Telstra deal with their supplier instead of putting this job to us.
Not only this device, they also bring new palm PDA devices ( which run WM5 AKU 2.x ) as well as new blackberry.
Sometimes during Christmas, you guys will see bounch of new devices release to market. I think it will be sold around 1100 AUD.

To gunigugu
You won't be able to stream at all because Jasjar is not in their 3G DB device list. Only those devices that are in that list will be able to load 3G WAP Portal and stream. There are 2 conditions to stream video content :
1. Your device is in DB device list
2. You are active subscriber ( either Telstra or 3 )
Same to anyone who has problem with 3 Provider. They restricted number of devices that can connect and view any video content from their WAP site.
If you want to view the 3 or Telstra WAP portal, you have to modify the User Profile, UA differences to any devices which are currently supported by 3 or Telstra. I can list some of them ( Sony Ericsson K600i, K610, Motorola V3x, Nokia N70, N80, Samsung Z150, Z400, Z510 and some other devices I can not remember their model No ) .

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To gunigugu
You won't be able to stream at all because Jasjar is not in their 3G DB device list. Only those devices that are in that list will be able to load 3G WAP Portal and stream. There are 2 conditions to stream video content :
1. Your device is in DB device list
2. You are active subscriber ( either Telstra or 3 )
Same to anyone who has problem with 3 Provider. They restricted number of devices that can connect and view any video content from their WAP site.
If you want to view the 3 or Telstra WAP portal, you have to modify the User Profile, UA differences to any devices which are currently supported by 3 or Telstra. I can list some of them ( Sony Ericsson K600i, K610, Motorola V3x, Nokia N70, N80, Samsung Z150, Z400, Z510 and some other devices I can not remember their model No ) .
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Thanks for the tip, we (the guys on the universal forum) have worked this out already...
But we've ran into 2 hurdles:
1: Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.
We are all able to access the web portal, and get anything we like, just when it comes to streaming, the software isn't working properly.
Any advice?
2: MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it.
Thanks for any help or information you can provide. We are all very greatful.

To gunigugu
Your problem :
1. Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.
It is because the User Profile that you used for HTC Universal or any PDA devices belongs to other device that has different method of handling video stream & method calls. Modified trick is only applied when you want to browse Provider's WAP site. Real Media for PPC has different way of handling method calls ( get content function, trigger media manager of device function, create secure & authenticate user & device & connection function) than Real Media for S60, Symbian.
Soon they put TyTn into their DB list, ( I think 3 will do the same with their PDA devices which are running WM5 ). you can use those's User profile to enjoy streaming content. But for now, I don't think you can.
2. MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it
I don't know much about MMS because it is handled by other groups.
From my understanding, there are 2 checks on MMS server
1. Check device to see whether it is capable of MMS or not
2. Same network's subscribers.
I have not seen any reason why we can not send MMS, no idea but I can find out more infos about this.
My group is responsible for Content delivery platform and Multimedia services.
Hope it helps

godtakeit said:
To gunigugu
Your problem :
1. Streaming video. It seems purely software, in that we can't find any software capable of playing real media streams compatiable with windows mobile 2005.
It is because the User Profile that you used for HTC Universal or any PDA devices belongs to other device that has different method of handling video stream & method calls. Modified trick is only applied when you want to browse Provider's WAP site. Real Media for PPC has different way of handling method calls ( get content function, trigger media manager of device function, create secure & authenticate user & device & connection function) than Real Media for S60, Symbian.
Soon they put TyTn into their DB list, ( I think 3 will do the same with their PDA devices which are running WM5 ). you can use those's User profile to enjoy streaming content. But for now, I don't think you can.
2. MMS For some reason, regardless of the settings used, we just can not get it to send/recieve. We are able to see the headers, but thats it
I don't know much about MMS because it is handled by other groups.
From my understanding, there are 2 checks on MMS server
1. Check device to see whether it is capable of MMS or not
2. Same network's subscribers.
I have not seen any reason why we can not send MMS, no idea but I can find out more infos about this.
My group is responsible for Content delivery platform and Multimedia services.
Hope it helps
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Man, your amazing!
Where the hell have you been, most of us, on the universal thread, have been pulling our hair out, trying to organise this!!!
So would I be right in assuming, that the TyTn will be the first WM2005 built into the database.
Does WM2005 go into more specifics such as model number, i.e. JasJar and TyTn. OR am I to assume, that after they are done putting TyTn into the db list, that my universal, will work perfectly with the portal.
BTW, can I ask, what software have you used, to play the real media streams? As this is an area we've had alot of trouble with in relation to wm2005.

In the past, Telstra had planned to bring Jasjar into AUST market but they were never done it. ( I don't know why - my assumption is because this device is too big and most of mobile user in Australia is only care about size and fashion phone than the phone that has lots of functionalities ).
It was a mistake and in order to correct their mistake and trying to gain PDA market share ( they lost PDA market to 3 for Motorola A1000, Motorola A925, Nokia E61 - All are running Symbian OS with Real Player installed), tyTn and other WM5 devices are tested and ready to be released.
Don't know about the price yet but they bought tytn through I-mate with HTC supported .
Like I said before, Telstra has no intention of bringing Jasjar into this market ( maybe they will change in the future but who knows, they used to bring Nokia 9500 device into Market ) . Because Jasjar and tytn share the same operating system as well as stream media player ( they will be built with AKU 2.x ) therefore, the User Profile's modification will work with Streaming media thing. Still you have to modify your header. ( put Tytn's User profile into Jasjar, it will do the trick )
Telstra will put WM9 into their media server. Nothing secrets, it is a plain Windows Media Player 10. RM can be played through customised RealMedia Player for ppc. That's what we have got in here

Thank you mods!

Awesome! A Shift section of its own. Now if we can just get our hands on some working models.
I'm hopeful someone can crack the stupid dumbed down version of WM that HTC is installing and figure out how to get WM6 on this beauty. The two dumbest things I've read so far are that a.) the PDA side can't access the SD card slot (that's even more idiotic than not being able to access the hard drive IMO), and the SnapVue program itself. I understand their desire to save licensing costs, but the whole decision to isolate the PDA side sounds like a deal they made with the telecoms - forcing the PDA side to only interact with the laptop side only through the telecom's system (where they can charge you with a data plan) is idiotic. Personally, I expect to use this device as a stand-alone laptop and not even use the 3G/HSPDA - I've already got that on my Trinity and paying for two full data plans makes zero sense. If anything, I'd like to do a BT modem lash-up through my phone.
If anyone's looking for some ideas to hack this thing, my personal wish list is:
1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
2.) Unlock the SD card for the PDA side
3.) Unlock the hard drive for the PDA side (this would be HUGE)
Just imagine - you're on a flight, you watch a full movie on the PDA side off an SD card, using low battery consumption, then in the airport you tap into the WiFi and log into your work network to get work done, then later at the hotel you plug in and do some real work on the laptop side. Add in checking your push email on the cab ride to your hotel (PDA side, full keyboard) if you choose the HSPDA activation. That's my dream machine! now if I only knew enough code to make it happen! <grin>
Mike

Having been in the postion of carrying around (for several years)
a good data PDA (this means a Psion)
and a phone
and a Windows Mobile PDA (often an XDA so that makes for 2 devices total)
I have been waiting for Mr Shift to arrive since its first showing in early 2007.
In November the PDF manuals were available from FCC ... what a total disappointment. Did somebody from Apple join HTC? Did they close the architecure at every possible moment ... We need at least:
a) Ability to run full WM6
b) Ability to install any WM6 application
c) Ability to use it as a (very large) telephone
d) Ability to let the PDA part of the Shift be able to access the local Vista and a remote Windows machine
Many people (like me) use their Windows mobile PDA to act as a bridge from their work outlook (probably server) and their home Outlook standalone.
Currently my XDA's or equivalent forms that important link from my Work calendar, tasks and contacts, and my home calendar, tasks and contacts.
Any PDA replacement needs to be able to at least do that!
e) If using a 3G SIM and appropriate data plan then access via this to the Interweb from both PDA and PC sides.
The Shift would seem to make a pretty decent UMPC and it includes a keyboard, but as-is it seems the PDA function and the phone function are an insult to ones intelligence.
Sorry about the grumpy post!

we all
Hi,
No need to appologise.
I think we all feel the same about is.
The choises HTC made make no sence at all and make the PDA side of the shift nothing more than some kind of side-show.
Like everyone else I´d like a FULL pda side. With all normal apps (including office). Doing without phone capabilities might not keep me form buying the shift but if it has not got full pda functionality then it is totaly uninteresting. I would buy a small notebook with longer battery life. (and with XP for that matter).
So it´s time for the guys at HTC to wake up!
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah

Pfeffa-rah said:
Hi,
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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How I agree!
Huib

I agree with everyone that the droned down version of this device sucks, but don't blame HTC. Blame vaporware maker Dualcor for their once great idea and not can't be found Dualcor PPC. It was suppose to run windows, and windows mobile and be a phone. After some time, they realized they couldn't do the phone thing and eventually the product, to my knowledge, was never fully released. HTC can't put the full version of windows mobile to due copyright infringment. Dualcor even stated it.
http://www.dualcor.com/
The link will take you to their website and if you read through, it was innovative and great and never really came about.
Can you truly blame HTC for doing the right thing and infringing? I would love for HTC to take Dualcor to court.
In an old saying that applies to dualcor, "either sh*t or get off the pot!"
Just my two cents. Flame away!

dont worry
hey we have a forum here (the best darn forum in the world) n boy we will get this device to perform as we want to. it may take time and help from the gurus out there but it WILL be done so lets just get our wallets / purses at the ready and hope htc release the shift this decade??

landshark said:
1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
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Uhm... SnapVue is just a name HTC came up with... what it *actually* is, is just a little DLL they wrote that overlays the WM6 taskbars so that you can't tap on them... I know because I've already gotten my hands on the relevant material and ported SnapVue to the Athena... what's more, I've also patched the DLL so that it doesn't disable the taskbars any more... assuming we can use Activesync to do our dirty business for us in terms of getting new certificates on the damn thing (failing that it'll be SPL hacking time) then it won't be a problem.
the proper Vista OS is interesting too... it's actually deployed in a bastardised sort of Symantec Ghost image type thing, but it weighs in at 8GB so there's not a bloody chance in hell you'll be seeing updates to this in their entirety.

Hey guys I'm new to this forum and everything that you guys do here(so if you could use a little patients with me i would appreciate it), but this forum has helped me to do some cool things with my htc titan, and for that i thank you. Now i ask you what kind of mods do you think will come out for the shift? There are some great developers here that can do some cool things, and from reading this topic do i correctly gather that it is possible to put wm6 on the shift, and it is impossible to put xp on the shift? sorry for the long post, but one last thing. What service provider and plan would be offered for the shift or what would be best for the shift?