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Is it just me, or this phone has the same button layout as the Dream?
Any chance we will see the Touch HD with android on it?
The dream, the Diamond and the Touch Pro all have the same 4 buttons.
And no, i don't believe for one single, solitary second that HTC will sell a device with Windows mobile and offer you a choice to install android on it.
If they did offer you the choice to change, i'd expect MS would get seriously pissed with HTC!!
They will not offer a choice for sure, but they can sell a different SKU with Andoid (based on the same hardware). MS would have nothing to say, and at the end of the day I don't really think that HTC cares a about how happy MS is.
But that is just speculation.
Well, at least these latest WM devices lost the dedicated Strat, PIE, Messaging and OK buttons, which were included probably in the reference WM phone design.
Now the phones look a lot more OS agnostic, and MS has to live with that, since their os is crap and manufacturers need to fight the iPhone.
oh thank god i'm not the only one that kept thinking that... I was starting to think that I was seeing android stuff everywhere! But this does leave me to believe that they (HTC) are leaving us open in the future with OS choice on our phones. And by that I do mean same hardware, but different systems on separate SKU's.
I´m sure in a short time, from this fantastic forum some devs will start to develope Android to be ported on several HTC models.
Lt´s see how good it is
personally I think the diamond and TPro should have ditched the dpad and gone with wide (tall) screens as well, would add another quarter inch or so to the screen, which would be more welcome than the dpad.
The 4 buttons are enough for most people (but 6 would be better, I miss my dedicated win and OK buttons).
I hate the current trend of removing buttons in favor of a full touch like device. Can dcall me old school, but the idea of completely removing the dpad is insane to me. However, I do like the touch HD and I look forward to seeing it run android. I think it's just a matter of time.
I'm concerned that I won't be able to play any of my games. Some dude is working on an app that converts the g-sensor moves into button presses and he has it working but still...
Wow!!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/
Touch Pro 2 - Possible upgrade to HD? 5mm thicker 30g heavier, slide outkeyboard+3.6" VGA+more
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html
Diamond 2:
3.2" VGA etc
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html
Sadly. . . no 3.5 mm jack. Its meant for business people.
Also this:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-ceo-windows-mobile-6-5-to-be-announced-this-afternoon/
HOLY CRAP. . .
This isn't the new HD though, so maybe the HD is still going to be strong for a year(meaning no major updates to it, just internal hardware, like a US 3G antenna).
I dont think we will see an upgrade for the HD till later this year (if at all) but this in most peoples eyes will easily do for a HD with built in keyboard.
I dont think we will see an upgrade for the HD till later this year (if at all) but this in most peoples eyes will easily do for a HD with built in keyboard.
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Like I said .
This isn't the new HD though, so maybe the HD is still going to be strong for a year(meaning no major updates to it, just internal hardware, like a US 3G antenna).
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That new TPro is still sexy though , but they could have done with out the bezel and all the brushed aluminum(not saying that I don't like).
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2
excellent birthday present....
I think my girlfriend will be pleased when i'll give her the diamond2 for her birthday (hoping it will be available by then)
And I will be able to fiddle with it as well
Woohoo!!
Grtz,
Degake
degake said:
And I will be able to fiddle with it as well
Woohoo!!
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What? The girlfriend? Sorry! couldn't resist.
ClownShoes said:
What? The girlfriend? Sorry! couldn't resist.
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I was expecting that someone would give this comment
And I truely/deeply hope I can fiddle with the phone and my girlfriend then (but best not both at the same time )
Grtz,
Degake
i just got the hd!!! they need to stop making phones so i stop wasting money!!!!!!!!!!
sunnymiu said:
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2
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Apparently they will get a free upgrade, just ready fo you guys to cook a rom ;-)
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/16/windows_mobile_launch/
KennyDies said:
Apparently they will get a free upgrade, just ready fo you guys to cook a rom ;-)
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/16/windows_mobile_launch/
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The Touch Pro 2 is just too heavy for me, the HD is bad enough...same old story, to keyboard or not to keyboard. The WhiteStone is supposed to be the replacement for the HD. Who knows when it will come. Personally I don't care to upgrade my HD because with these new devices come new roms, YES!
sunnymiu said:
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2
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i fully believe that the new TouchFLO will be available to the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS
and i can't wait, it seems to have some nice additions and tweaks
o and WinMo 6.5 will definitely be available for the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS (not an official upgrade, but fully awesome)
not impressed
I'm not impressed, i have had three HTC Phones and all have been underpowered due lack of chipset drivers, I will be probably looking towards the omnia HD next, unless HTC decide to shell out the cash for licences for drivers. it winds me up no end that. made I was fooled yet again by HTC into buying one of their half finished handsets.
Its good more XVGA's are coming out as it means more supported apps. Maybe a google version might help us crack the RGB666 issue.
Hardware Keyboard
I sincerely beleive that the HD (aka beast, aka black stone) is currently the ultimate device. Most people who long for a hardware keyboard must have never used the TouchPal. I have done continuous testing and TouchPal allows me and most other people to type considerable faster. I DO RECCOMEND IT for anyone who has not tried it.
I love what I'm seeing with the new ROMs out there and I'm not worried at all that the brilliant minds of this community will bring it to the world best device. Heck, after WM 6.1 was ported to the BlueAngel than everything is possible here!
I love my HD and these new devices can't even hold a candle to it. 3.8 WVGA display, FM Radio, 5MP camera with Autofocus, GPS, front full 2nd VGA camera, 7 hardware buttons, magnetic stylus, expandable memeory via Micro SD (now up to 32GB) all in a form factor the same size as the iPhone! (who can beat that?!)
Only thing the HD's missing is US 3G support, and Video Out, and a capacitve touchscreen.
Damn I love my HD!!!!!
The only way to make the HD better
The on
ahjdmarchi said:
i just got the hd!!! they need to stop making phones so i stop wasting money!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL yes many of us agree with you there!
I wonder if there's an exact launch date on this. I'm due for an upgrade soon.
Before getting the HD, I was a happy TyTN II user. Sure I wished for at least VGA and a larger screen but I was content (with the technology back then). But when the super sexy HD came out with WVGA and faster performance I was interested but the lack of keyboard held me back till I found out I could manipulate the screen to horizontal for any "serious typing" since the landscape keyboard was almost the same size in length as the physical keyboard. Now with FingerKeyboard (the black & red) I am completely satisfied. I gained light-weight and thin and able to type.
My next upgrade will be for windows 6.5 and the faster processor and video card!
I think my girlfriend will be pleased
I just pre-ordered the diamond2
expected delivery date: april 10th
I'm gonna be so lucky tonight
Grtz,
Degake
Being smaller and offering a resistive screen plus still being a good phone are there any advantages of the HD over the HD2?
Hokum said:
Being smaller and offering a resistive screen plus still being a good phone are there any advantages of the HD over the HD2?
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woooop another manc i only got my HD like 2 weeks ago, upgraded from my touch diamond, i cudnt afford a HD2, so i got the next best thing lol
I too have a diamond, the reason i'm interested is that i'm outdoors ALOT! So a cap screen is rubbish with gloves on.
I could go for a S200 or TG01 but XDA DEV have no support for these. So a nearly new HD is tempting, but the performance of the HD will be no better than my Diamond other then the extra memory...
There are a few of us Mancs about
i have maybe 50% free ram, when using my HD and thats running Sence 2.5, on the diamond tho it soon shot up to like 20-30% free ram only using TF3D 2.1, but on the other hand, even tho the HD has a higher resolution, things looked alot sharper on the diamond, maybe cuz of its smaller screen size, i like being able to use a sd card tho, im not limited to 4gb like on the diamond and the large screen is gr8 for watching movies, The HD dosent offer that much more than the diamond tho so yeah the HD 2 is the better choice if you can afford it lol I could of got a TGO1 for £200 pound, £35 pound less than i paid for my HD, They got em in the fone shop nr picadilly station in town if you want one lol
Near the train station or those near Picadilly Gardens (bus station)? A TG01 would be tempting.
Near the train station, its just at the top off the hill, they got hundreds of fones in the windows, theres another site floating about called wmdevelopers or sumat, its ment to be like xda but for other wm devices, you'll be able to upgrade a tgo1 there i assume
I'd say you wait for some time -- see what comes out and maybe there will be something even better than HD2!!
As for me (a Touch HD owner) I wont go for HD2, because:
1) it has snapdragon - I was waiting for Tegra
2) There are some rumors about Tegra2 (two times more powerful than Tegra)
3) Im saving some money for a Yamaha WR125X , so I cant afford to spend it on a new phone, of which I will get bored after a few weeks
4) I've also heard some rumors about Toshiba next models (those after TG01) -same snapdragon cpu, but some nice features like 3speakers (good for me as Im a melomaniac)
if i didnot own touch HD already i would be sure to buy HD2. now for me there is no significant advantage of upgrading
right...i have a HD and cannot wait to get my hands on the HD2...im using a custom rom by L26 which uses the Leo interface. using half the power of the HD2, the Leo interface is bearable, very usable actually, however i can just tell that some of the nags will not be an issue with the extra 500Mhtz of processing power and double ram the HD2 will have. i think using my HD as a backup phone will surfice!
=D
I use a stylus almost 100% of the time so will not be buying an HD2.
More likely to get the acer, even after a bad experience with an F900, it's smaller, has better battery life, look's to be a bit faster and is far cheaper.
Couldn't care less about TF3D or sense.
My HD is OK for the moment, I would have preferred them to just change out the crappy msm7201 for snapragon, make the screen "a lot" more sensitive like the S200 apparently is, leave the rest alone.
The HD2 is a windows mobile iphone because of it's input and has no appeal to me because of it,I can barely stand not having a d-pad, let alone no stylus.
imo a resistive screen with a stylus is better on a finger-unfriendly windows mobile, isn't it?
simplistian said:
imo a resistive screen with a stylus is better on a finger-unfriendly windows mobile, isn't it?
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Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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I'd like to think issues between Microsoft and HTC would be resolved with wm7...........but if I was a betting man I'd bet that it would just cause more issues!!
Unfortunately for me (in the US) I have to wait until a branded version comes out. My Touch HD 8585 gets me 3G for now.
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I'd like to think issues between Microsoft and HTC would be resolved with wm7...........but if I was a betting man I'd bet that it would just cause more issues!!
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most "issues" are solved by XDA, not them
Moandal said:
Absolutely. There are all sorts of threads on the Leo forums where people are having real problems with the capacitive screen, and having to practice hard for a couple of weeks before they get the hang of just typing with the standard keyboard.
Also some folk are finding that the capacitive screen is registering all sorts of crazy inputs when they're not even touching it. Someone's got a hack hat seems to improve things, but I would say wait till WM7 comes out, and HTC have sorted their screen technology/sensitivity.
If the HD2 was resistive I'd buy it without hesitation.
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take in mind when u first brought the blackstone u had to get used to it just as well as any other phone u will buy in the future
wingtytn said:
take in mind when u first brought the blackstone u had to get used to it just as well as any other phone u will buy in the future
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when we first bought the blackstone we are surprised by the huge screen which enabled some finger operations on the finger unfriendly windows mobile, but, whenever you need a stylus, you got an option at least. Not really need to go over a learning and compromising process to get used to it.
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most "issues" are solved by XDA, not them
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Touché, I would tend to agree with you on this
Yep. The 4.3" Screen is just too big - not pocket friendly at all. That and the capacitive screen...
I would personally love to trade my HD for an HD2. The HD2 has a larger screen, led flash and most importantly: a 1ghz cpu... too bad it is not going to happen
this is a stupid question
do you guys think it would be possible to order a clearpad 3000 from synaptics with the nexus one dimensions and then open up the nexus one and replace the ****ty 3 year old clearpad 2000 with the 3000? or is this not possible due to drivers and what no
No. Driver issues.
Then it's all about rewriting those drivers isn't it? Aint saying it's simple, but could it be done?
This could be an interesting project. since android runs on multiple phones therefore it supports multiple touchscreens, so if there ever comes out a phone with the 3000 could we not take those drivers? or maybe android already has built in support?
replacing the touch screen shouldnt be two hard..just a matter of opening it up and putting everything back together..Does anybody know what kind of touch screen the Droid has? or the Xperia x10? or the even the iphone because i know for a fact that the iphone supports atleast five fingers from the flute app i had on there..and what about samsung? they need to release android 2.1 because im curious to see how the samsung phones respond to multitouch
its a shame that htc chose an older screen because that just gives the big game developers another reason not to make games for android since the majority of android phones are HTC and apparently they all use the same screen.
so anyone going to try this
-Charlie
Frankly, I think we're better off waiting to see the next round of Android smartphones... I'm sure they'll come with the upgraded touchscreen.
HAHAH, sorry, had to laugh...
BUT I like the way you think... Right now the halfass multitouch screen is the one thing that pisses me off the most... I'll for sure be moving to a new phone as soon as something else makes it worth it...
The main issue I have is when I type fast I get errors due to the multitouch problem.. for instance if my left finger is up near the e and my right finger is down near the N I constantly get the Google Voice button being pressed... soooooo annoying beyond all the lame typos that happens.... ALL because of the halfass multitouch.
Thinking out loud,
Just pondering this idea....
Nexus one screen size=Droid screen size
Droid can run 2.1 just fine
Doesnt that theoretically make this possible?
Has HTC said anything about using the 3000 from now on, or some sort of step up?
I would hope the nexus 2 or whatever it will be, will have real multitouch
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HAHAH, sorry, had to laugh...
BUT I like the way you think... Right now the halfass multitouch screen is the one thing that pisses me off the most... I'll for sure be moving to a new phone as soon as something else makes it worth it...
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seriously! its sooooo annoying!! and it pisses me off that i payed almost 6 bills for this bad boy
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Just pondering this idea....
Nexus one screen size=Droid screen size
Droid can run 2.1 just fine
Doesnt that theoretically make this possible?
Has HTC said anything about using the 3000 from now on, or some sort of step up?
I would hope the nexus 2 or whatever it will be, will have real multitouch
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well the droid screen is 3.7 like ours but the nexus is wider and shorter than the droid..anybody know what kind of touch screen it uses?
i really really hope that the htc supersonic has a better touch screen because im hopping back to sprint as soon as that bad boy comes..its gonna be 4.3 inches of pure delight..or 4.3 inches of cross axes >_<
The Leo boots android and wp7,HD boots nothing,it is done right? I can not imagine to have a new device ,I spent all my money which I earn last 3 holidays by washing dishes in a hotel I dont know why but just fell sad
What do you mean, done?
Mine is alive and kicking...
I mean ,it is dying ,like an old manwith a weak heart.My HD cost 3700 yuan ,now,here in my town you can buy a htc desire hd with 3300 yuan,or a hd with 2650 yuan,it is crazy!
I agree, having recently just purchased the HTC Touch HD, I was really looking forward to playing around with the front cam with apps and stuff.
I am somewhat disappointed how the possibilities with this device was completely missed, who's fault is it, MS for just not supporting it enough, the developers of the larger applications (Skype, etc) from literally dropping the OS.
I am happy with my phone, but I can see a huge potential just lost.
Maybe its me, but it seems the dev's of the OS just want stronger and stronger hardware, instead of using whats currently around.
Fair enough the device is getting old, but still a massive wasted opportunity if you ask me.
The problem in fact are devs following this trend. Simply abandon old phones and move on to new ones.
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The problem in fact are devs following this trend. Simply abandon old phones and move on to new ones.
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Its a fact of life, new devices with better specs come out and people move on. The LEO is an exception to the rule due to its 1GB Snapdragon processor, plus it was the last real WM device released before WP7 came along. Most if not all new devices are still using 1GB processors, some even less, hence why its longevity
Speed doesn't matter that much. When it comes to portability and durability, my old HTC Orbit 2 is great! Holds battery for very long while mantaining usability(400mhz is a bit slow, but enough for 98% of apps.
HD2, well, is powerhorse, but last 1 day on average, very clumsy and fragile.
So newer doesn't always means better.
I've stopped using my Touch HD and started using my old Kaiser. It's older and less powerful than the Touch HD but it can run a very stable and fast Android. The Kaiser was lucky in having excellent xda'ers continually working on it.
I think you're right. The HD is getting a bit old, and the slow cpu @ 800x480 + not very sensitive resistive screen is kinda killing it. That's why most devs have left us I think... *wants an HD2
@Fallen Spartan
You might want to change that B into hz .
Dead? no its alive and kicking!
You can never call anything over £100 value dead!
mobiles4cash.com is the place to be!
£133 for the Touch HD
Looking for a replacement now and getting mine sent away asap!
I have a couple of newer devices [omnia II and acer S200] but still use my HD mostly, if I could only have one of those three, I would keep the HD...... despite the dreadful cpu and not very sensitive screen, I like the overall package best.
I buy WM [or used to] because I like WM, not because I want to run a less versatile and functional OS on the hardware.
The capacitive screen on the HD2 isn't a plus in my eyes, and is the sole reason why I never bought one, ever seen someone trying to use excel or remote desktop on one, it's like a circus act.......
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The capacitive screen on the HD2 isn't a plus in my eyes, and is the sole reason why I never bought one, ever seen someone trying to use excel or remote desktop on one, it's like a circus act.......
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That's exactly what i was thinking.
our hd is not dead
i had mine for 2 years
last 3 months running android
still i will not replace it for another phone
I find it odd, though, how the Touch Diamond 2 gets the official 6.5 ROM upgrade but not our Touch HD. I've gone through what I could find spec-wise of the two models; their processors seem to be the big difference (outside of the physical size, and battery), where the Blackstone seems to have the better of the two, but doesn't get the 6.5?
The Touch Diamond 2 was released not long before 6.5 was, HTC promised there would be an upgrade to 6.5 for people who bought it before it came preloaded, the HD is quite a bit older and there was no promise of any upgrade at the time of release.
There's little difference between the qualcomm 7200 and 7201a, the 7201a is a change to the 7200 in response to a legal dispute with broadcomm, the 7201a has neutered video recording as a result of something to do with this dispute, Qualcomm and Broadcomm came to some arrangement and thus the use of 7200 resumed in the TP2 and Touch diamond 2.
Personally I prefer 6.1 anyway, so the lack of an official update is lost on me.