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I'm nearly at the end of my contract for my T-mobile vario II. It looks like my next phone will either be the X1 or the touch HD. I read a lot of ebooks and web pages so the bigger screen is going to be great.
I like the fact that the X1 has a slide out keyboard and dpad. These should help when writing emails or playing games. However the simpler package of the Touch HD does look very nice.
One thing that sucked about the vario II was the sluggish interface - from the few videos I have watched the HD seems a bit slicker than the X1 - am I right?
If possible I would like to install android on my next device - is this more likely to be possible on the HD?
So what are your views - which is better?
Mercedes or BMW.
Two similar but quite different animals.
Need the keyboard... X1
Need no keyboard .. T' HD
It's simply a choice only. Some point or other.. a HardSPL and cooking of roms will be well underway.. along with a vast choice of rom shape and size, along with inbuilts. The only thing that will not change is the Hardware shape. (guts are the same)
The Touch HD is not even out properly, and the HD manilla is already available and installable on the X1. the Sony panels will no doubt hit the Touch HD.
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
Please don't tell my wife!.
Well the Touch HD is technically using HTC's "2nd" version of TouchFlo3D, after Diamond/TPro, so understandably they've put some effort into getting it to run more smoothly. SE's panels will debut on the X1 so it's probably buggy just like TouchFlo3D was when the Diamond first came out.
That said, XDA got even the stock Diamond interface running really well, so there's no reason they can't do it with the X1's panels. It's not a question of if but when.
I think if you're going to reading most of the time, the HD will be the better choice (bigger screen, and you dont "need" a hardware keyboard to read). But I must say if you do a fair amount of messaging, a real keyboard is second to none -- there's just no going back after you've used one (imo).
As for Android, only time will tell. My guess is yes for both, but it might not be fully functional for some time. There are just too many unknowns right now for there to be an easy answer.
harvsingh said:
Mercedes or BMW.
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
harvsingh said:
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
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If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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Even though i have capital... and enough to buy a handset i want when i want it on the network i choose to be with.. i am certainly no charity.. so i'm sorry.. if the second x1 goes anywhere its back to supplier... and get a HD instead.
I think getting a Touch HD pro is pointless.. HD is such because its not bulky. Its slim and basically a screen with a send and end key.
Adding a keyboard to it = not a Touch HD Pro but a X1.
Lack of G-sensor on X1 is the thing i think when it comes to using different roms and software. Hardware apart from this and keyb is the same. (except screen size...res is the same)
I think... i will keep one x1 and get a HD...
that way.. i'm covered.
Really wish the DX900 Glofiish had been released... 2 sim cards... one phone with VGA/GPS/WIFI/Bluetooth/3G/HSDPA .. but as yet.. its just due... due .. and due....
who could want more?
The time has come to relegate my trusty Hermes to the nearest bin. This means - upgrade time.
Now, unlike some of you, I do not have the luxury of trying out both of these to make up my mind. So, I'd like to hear some thoughts on those of you who has had to give up their Touch Pro keyboards for the more clumsy Touch HD on-screen text input.
Getting the Touch HD is a no brainer in every way, except one. I can't imagine giving up my sliding keyboard. Yes, I'm currently leaning towards getting the Touch Pro.
Thoughts? rants & raves? and shuttefu%^&up about iphones please.
As an owner of both I say get the HD. I loved my Raphael so dont get me wrong. I do a decent amount of typing and the HD keyboard seems very responsive. If you are doing a ton of typing there is really no substitute for a hard keyboard but the HD isnt far off. Out of the box the HD runs much better than the raphael did but there are plenty of custom ROMs out there that solve this for the raphael so not really an issue. One plus abotu the raphael is that there are tons of customizations but youc an expet that from the HD cookers out there in the coming weeks.
Again, i say get the HD. Its hard ot beat the screen on it and typing is actually pretty easy. I like the power button and volume buttons more on the HD as well. you dont accidently press them the way you will on the raphael. The other buttons on the HD are really nice as well because they do not actually press like the raphael does. It gives a little vibrate when you press them which is a suprisingly great feature. Oh yeah, don forget about the 5mp camera. It takes wonderful pics as long as you are in decent light.
Lastly, everyone that has seen my HD is blown away. When they saw my raphael they mostly said "thats nice, a little too think for me but nice"
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As an owner of both I say get the HD. I loved my Raphael so dont get me wrong. I do a decent amount of typing and the HD keyboard seems very responsive. If you are doing a ton of typing there is really no substitute for a hard keyboard but the HD isnt far off. Out of the box the HD runs much better than the raphael did but there are plenty of custom ROMs out there that solve this for the raphael so not really an issue. One plus abotu the raphael is that there are tons of customizations but youc an expet that from the HD cookers out there in the coming weeks.
Again, i say get the HD. Its hard ot beat the screen on it and typing is actually pretty easy. I like the power button and volume buttons more on the HD as well. you dont accidently press them the way you will on the raphael. The other buttons on the HD are really nice as well because they do not actually press like the raphael does. It gives a little vibrate when you press them which is a suprisingly great feature. Oh yeah, don forget about the 5mp camera. It takes wonderful pics as long as you are in decent light.
Lastly, everyone that has seen my HD is blown away. When they saw my raphael they mostly said "thats nice, a little too think for me but nice"
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WOW the most usefull review of all
thx again, and when my back account allow it , I might buy HD
I've still have my Touch Pro. I opted to buy the Touch HD for one big reason...Screen size bigger than the iPhone on a WM device! I'm tired of dealing with the limited space of a 2.8" screen. I've always been a fan of hardware keyboards, but the Touch HD has a nice virtual keyboard and with a program like gyrator 2 or gsen you can rotate your HD into landscape and stretch out the virtual keyboard for more room.
Also the GPS performance is better on the Touch HD.....the Touch Pro and Diamonds performance is crappy..its lags way too much and takes longer to get a fix. Now the AT&T Fuze may have this solved, but unless you have AT&T and live in the US its not really an option.
I think for any one who has been lusting over the idea of having an iPhone, but would never give up Windows Mobile can now rest at ease.
Just my two cents.
I have also used both, and I can say , on any given day , I would take HD.
HD screen is the best thing and the keyboard is also very good on it.Once , the custom roms comes from the likes of senior people like Dutty , Panosha and others, I am sure the HD will fly like a rocket.
Go for HD. I sold my rapheal already.
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I've still have my Touch Pro. I opted to buy the Touch HD for one big reason...Screen size bigger than the iPhone on a WM device! I'm tired of dealing with the limited space of a 2.8" screen. I've always been a fan of hardware keyboards, but the Touch HD has a nice virtual keyboard and with a program like gyrator 2 or gsen you can rotate your HD into landscape and stretch out the virtual keyboard for more room.
Also the GPS performance is better on the Touch HD.....the Touch Pro and Diamonds performance is crappy..its lags way too much and takes longer to get a fix. Now the AT&T Fuze may have this solved, but unless you have AT&T and live in the US its not really an option.
I think for any one who has been lusting over the idea of having an iPhone, but would never give up Windows Mobile can now rest at ease.
Just my two cents.
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Now that you have the HD could you compare the GPS performance with Touch Pro?
Give us numbers.... How many seconds to get a fix and the GPS "lag".
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Now that you have the HD could you compare the GPS performance with Touch Pro?
Give us numbers.... How many seconds to get a fix and the GPS "lag".
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I'll report after testing this afternoon.
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I'll report after testing this afternoon.
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Thank you, all of us will be awaiting for it.
Best regards.
In the last 3 months, I have owned a Diamond, Raphael and an HD. The Diamond came first and was lovely to use but the screen was too small to type effectively. So I bought a Raphael - which i used for work but it was just too thick - it ruins the cut of a suit!
Then along came the HD. The screen is just beautiful. Crucially, it is also large enough to type effectively. Don't get me wrong, it is not as effective as typing on a keyboard (such as on the Raphael) but unless you're doing a lot of typing, that doesn't matter. I still do a reasonable amount of email and the screen keyboard on the HD is large enough to cope.
The HD also runs more responsively than the Diamond or Raph. It doesn't suffer the Raph's GPS lag (I never had lag on the Diamond). And did I mention that screen???!!!
Disappointments with the HD? Not many yet. The camera is unquestionably way too slow and nowhere near as good as, eg, the N95 (which my wife has). The lack of D-Pad takes a bit of getting used to but all it really means is getting used to a different way of working as we're all so used to the DPad. I haven't yet found any software where it causes a major problem.
My final answer? Both my Raph and my Diamond are on ebay right now.
dito
yeah, my tilt and fuze have both sold on Ebay, I like my Touch HD. I am looking forward to using a different onscreen keyboard than the one provided in the stock ROM. I don't like that they wasted space by putting directional buttons on the right hand side. There is one available on a particular ROM downloaded from this site, but i suspect there will be more WVGA keyboards. I used to have a 6600 which had like a 3" screen or something, a wee bit larger than the tilt and that was a really nice phone actually, it just lacked the new juicier hardware. The Touch HD really brings out the sexy in HTC. No overweight short, fat, ugly phone, its tall and sleek and slim and sexy, lol! Just another thought: The Touch Pro can be had for about $500 without a contract and even FREE with a contract if you pull the right strings! However, the Touch HD is nearly $800 and there is no ifs ands or buts about it. You gotta pay for the best and its not really supported by AT&T or the retailers that sell it here in the US and is only barely supported by HTC in US. And, the insurance companies dont know much about it. All this makes for a riskier investment especially considering that some peoples HD vibrate breaks and they have to send it back . (moment of silence please). Yeah its a little scary for me right now. I think I might have it under control! If I were you and I had wee bit of money, I would go for the HD, its what the really cool people have, lol
Just a few thoughts,
Levi
I had a very cherished Tytn II (kaiser) before the recent HD.
I was really excited about the huge screen and higher resolution but the lack of a hard keyboard really put me off. Another huge aspect that put me off was the fract that straight out of the box you cant rotate to landscape mode. I've had my tytn ii in landscape mode permenantly for ever a year now and thats how I like it. The optical layout is very similar to wide screen TVs and monitors. Any how, I found a way to keep it in landscapde mode (look for my thread called landscape view +solved+.
I tried typing in full qwerty and compact qwerty mode in portrait screen but it just wasnt the same (or even close) to a large keyboard. So I resorted to trying to type in landscapde mode using full qwerty and it was just as good as the tytn ii keyboard. Snailslug's wonderful app called touch response made it even better. His app added little vibration feedback (haptic I believe is the term) to touching the screen. So using the virtual keyboard is much more predictable if you can imagine.
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The time has come to relegate my trusty Hermes to the nearest bin. This means - upgrade time.
Now, unlike some of you, I do not have the luxury of trying out both of these to make up my mind. So, I'd like to hear some thoughts on those of you who has had to give up their Touch Pro keyboards for the more clumsy Touch HD on-screen text input.
Getting the Touch HD is a no brainer in every way, except one. I can't imagine giving up my sliding keyboard. Yes, I'm currently leaning towards getting the Touch Pro.
Thoughts? rants & raves? and shuttefu%^&up about iphones please.
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I have tested both and I can say, being a Universal Super keyboard user, that HD is almost perfect but the lack of physical keyboard stop me to buy it, a Physical Kb will never be beaten for any fantastic on screen virtual Kb.
So if I had to decide for any of those being the only options I would choose Touch Pro because the Kb, even with that fantastic super screen of the HD.
Or dreaming a little bit I would wait for the upcoming HD touch Pro....
Iphone? Never in my life!!
I've had both on hand: Touch PRO and HD. And now i am really satisfied with HD compared to what I've been with Raphael. I've been considered so much before change from Raph to HD. I'd been with Raph for a month and swapped with many ROMs and radios (only Raphael radio) before making a decision to switch to HD... Beyond all of Raphael's pros is its crappy BATTERY LIFE
It only lasts for a day with full charge on my usage (compared to the same usage with HD). The GPS is so bad, could not fix as fast as my Polaris.
I have to say I'm really disappointed with Raph as I thought it could be another king replaced for the Kaiser...
Go to HD then you will have no regret and waste !
as a TyTN owner.. i thought of getting a raphael.. but looking at them.. they dont have many differences.. ok the vga screen.. the looks etc.. overall though its the exact same device pumped up..
besides.. im a more of a techie gadget guy.. the raphael doesnt come close to the HD from my point of view.. the raphael is a more bussiness man type of device rather the HD is the more
show off device.. get the HD you wont regret it!
cheers!
I too have upgraded from a Kaiser to the Touch HD.
Bit of a no-brainer for me as I found I hardly ever used the slide-out keyboard on the Kaiser. The basic WM keyboard has always been a fast method of entering text for me, particularly with the help of predicitve text and gesture recognition.
Spb Keyboard is meeting my needs for basic text entry on the HD. If I need to do a serious amount of text entry the stylus comes out and I use the standard WM keyboard again. With practise I think this is a pretty fast and accurate way of entering text.
Just in case it hasn't sunk in (!), the screen on the HD is FANTASTIC! Web browsing is excellent. The extra screen space and resolution is also fantastic in Pocket Informant agenda view. And mobile shell is great on the bigger screen.
As someone's said above, lack of D-pad is an issue to start with but only because you have to re-learn how to use your favourite programmes. After a while it's fine.
Setting up haptic feedback is a good thing.
I'm really looking forward to seeing what WinMo developers will do next year to tweak their software for the HD. It's good at the moment but could be more finger-friendly in places. Eg I know the next version of Pocket Informant will be more finger-friendly. Hopefully other developers will head in this direction too.
What about US 3G on ATT...
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...its not really supported by AT&T or the retailers that sell it here in the US and is only barely supported by HTC in US....
Just a few thoughts,
Levi
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According to the service manual (http://mikechannon.net/PDF%20Manuals/HTC_Blackstone_Service_Manual.pdf) the US ATT 850 and 1900 HSDPA/UMTS bands are supported.
The original specs showed no support for these bands -- but now????
Are you getting 3G speeds in the US???
Ok guys just trying to get opinions out there. Currently using the Touch HD. Came from a Nokia device so I love the speed of symbian compared to Windows. It seems like the time has come for me to figure out if I want to keep the Touch HD or not.
Pro:
I love the big screen.
It looks sleek.
Easy to flashfirmware and tweaking performance is fun.
Con:
Incoming calls is a little laggy. Sometimes calls come in as unknown.
Phone feels a slower than ones I've used before.
No TV-Out.
*Having a keyboard would be a plus. But without it is not a Con*
I'm actually debating getting rid of the Touch HD for either the Xperia X1i/X1a so I would gain a keyboard and overall use would stay the same.
Or I thought about getting the Nokia 5800 tube, so that I gain the TV-Out feature to display gps on my indash and have the feel of symbian again.
Or ultimate would be to get the new n97 which has a large screen and keyboard.
What do you guys think? I think the biggest thing bothering me is the phone feelings a bit laggy compared to my previous nokia phones.
try keyboard in landscape mode man it works very well.
incomoingcall work well to me too.
after using it i dont wanna come back with symbyan anymore
Sorry but you knew it had no keyboard when you got it so if it is a "con" and not a "pro", why did you get it in the first place?
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
I dunno, going to the X1 isn't going to do much for you other than the physical keyboard. It sounds like love Symbian so maybe just wait for the N97.
I have both Nokia n95 an htc HD, HD is much better! 1 thing above all: HD is fully customizable, and you can improve it with new official roms or with a lot of cooked roms.......
Hello
I have the HD and the Nokia Tube.
The Nokia Tube is crap.
Slow as hell, and the worst GUI i have ever seen.
Flash a few cooked roms first... see if that makes your HD the device you always wanted...
do you recomend any?
I also own a n95 and the hd, and the nokia is no match for the hd in any aspect. Once you get used to the hd big screen and lots of features, you wonder how you could waste your money in the nokia set.
The hd is fairly fast for me, the gps works much better than the n95's. It fully customizable, the battery lasts longer, the rds radio of the hd is much better that the visual radio of the n95 (in Spain the rds system is spread all around the country while the visual radio is scarcely used), there's a lot of sotware available for the hd... in summary, i would't change it.
But each user asks for different features so...that's just my opinion.
Cheeze[iT] said:
well then I guess I should list it as a neutral thing. I would like a full keyboard, but I'm satisfied with the compact querty at the moment. So good call tboy.
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Symbian UI sux the biggest time ever!!!!
There is no Symbian or Nokia I have ever tried that is nice or fast, the N96 is a piece of s..t! I stompted on the damn thing into pieces, seriously, kept freezing and the menu's are a nightmare, menu's within menus within more menus.... The "cons" you mentioned are nothing compared to any Symbian.
"TV Out" its a gimic function of Samsung and Nokia, the quality of TV Out function is way way below VHS quality making it a whole waste of time IMHO, anyway just my 2 cents in a useless topic.
Perhaps Symbian seems more suited to your needs
I went shopping for a new HTC device yesterday.
I looked at the Diamond, Touch Pro, Xperia X1, G1 and the Touch HD.
I found the Diamond's screen size to adequate, but the lack of storage card baffles me.
The Touch Pro was just to heavy but the keyboard was very useable + storage card.
The Xperia's keyboard felt better, but the weight killed it for me. The screen is also far too small to handle WVGA.
The G1's 16million colurs makes the same difference with the screen as an iPod. HTC really should move to 16M colours asap. The interface was great, but you can tell it is in its infancy. I will be watching Android keenly over the next year.
Then we have the HD :
The screen size makes a huge difference - 3.8" WVGA is the perfect size for this res (2.8" is borderline too small).
The device is the exact same size as the iPhone (I think the box matches Apple's packaging as well...) This fits nicely in the hand and feels very light.
The screen size also helps with finger inputs, even on the standard keyboard!
The device is fast. I found no lag running through the programs, even while leaving 10 open. The 512Mb RAM certainly helps there.
A hardware keyboard for me is a con. When I moved to one (XDA Mini S), I found it strange to get used, but percivered, when I moved back to an onscreen keyboard, I certainly did not miss the physical kb.
After playing with all 5 devices, I have payed up for the HD.
It'll be delivered on Tuesday.
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do you recomend any?
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davideuck, believe me!
Thanks for input guys,
I do like the ability to flash new roms as I am trying to keep up with Laurentius26 and the L26 roms. It seems the V7 seems to be pretty responsive. As far as the tube VS touch HD Speed comparison, thanks for the info.
On the TV-Out feature, I would only use it to display GPS on my indash so I can easily get around by getting a decent car mount I guess. I've been keeping up with that thead and haven't found one I liked yet.
Bringing up the point that symbian isn't as customizable friendly I guess it would advantage me to stay with the touch so that I can always flash different roms and see which I like better. And between the Xperia and the Touch HD, thats going to be a hard button keyboard VS big screen.
Now to go read up on some more interesting apps/games to install. Thanks again guys! Keep the input coming if you like! I appreciate it.
My first post here at xda, so forgive me while i get used to it ;-)
the touch hd is quite impressive as allrounder. i'm more than a little jealous of the screen compared to my own omnia.
but omnia is till my personal choise of today; huge internal memore (i currently use 16 gig + 16 gig sdhc) although it's 3.5mm jack is indirect, if does come as adapter in the sales box. it is a bit fatter than the hd though but not too much- 12.5mm. and it has the tv out u mentioned. anyway it is to my taste right now.
if u have the patience for future model i found some interresting ones here:
http://www.gsmarena.com/the_8_megapixel_samsung_i8910_records_hd_video_ready_to_roll-news-776.php
it seems the next generation of omnia. though rumor has it that it'll be running symbian instaid of wm... and by now i have gotten stuck on wm and its flexibillity. i'm not sure that i can go back. still if u look at its specks they doo make my mouth water- heh he.
http://www.gsmarena.com/toshiba_unleashes_the_tg01__the_ubersmartphone_to_rule_them_all-news-768.php
this one is a pure wm platform wich seems to leave even hd trailiang in the dust. but remember that with a screen as big as 4.1 inches u may need to resow your pockets in all shirts and pants. still size matters when using gui's and you hd is already a good example there.
none of them packs a built-in thumpboard though. for that u may need to to go n97, touch pro, xperia, HTC dream or G1. i've no experience with android yet. but as for wm's i hear experia is annoyingly slow, and if u already have trouble with the speed of the HD u may need to stay far away from this one. all of them packs better screenresolutions than omnia, but the benefits of higher resolution without bigger screen on these devices is argueable. on 3.2 inches i don't miss the extra pixels on windows mobile.
a good thing might be if others told about their experiences with various models. my dad for one would never trade in his HD for my omnia. but if i had to buy a new one today i'd still choose it over the others out there.
needs and tastes differ.
a little off toppic- sorry.
does anyone know if if it possible to mod s60-5th the same way as SPB and PointUI does it for wm? my only experience with it is n93 wich i kept as my primary for one and a half years. never thought of costumizing it though. and i've fallen in love with it on wm.
Cheeze,
I have the same problem.
X1 will have the same problem in terms of the lag.
keyboards are good, but you dont need them as much, you need to get use to the touch screen... give it more time...
If you want something just as good as the HD with no Lag, go iphone, but then you drop alot of good things with the HD.
i did at first contemplate selling off the HD and going in for the iphone, but i have used the iphone, and liked it for the whole 2 months i had it before i went to a smaller phone... and then to the HD...
the iphone was basic to what i needed it for, the hd works perfectly...
let me tell you, after 3 months, you will be fine with the hd, but the lag will increase... especially in calls... and if you are like me.. with an ever increaseing phone book addess list.. it doesnt help... due to work, my phone book is now at 500+, and that was after cutting it down due to the financial crises...
in all likelyhood i will go back to the iphone depending on what the next update is in July.. then in august will truely decide....
I to went from the HD to the iphone. I do miss the big screen and badass resolution but after a few weeks and jail breaking i dont even think about the hd or windows mobile for that matter.
Im currently looking to move from my Nokia E90 to The HD. I have never used a HD before so i cannot comment on it, but the Symbian email system is awful which is one of the reasons that im looking to move away from Symbian.
I have looked at the 5800 but it will be a "downgrade" from my E90. Also the N97 does look good but it only has 3 rows with the numbers intergrated into the top "qwerty" row.
That totally puts me off it
I have a huge dilema guys. I've been lusting over the X1 ever since it was released in December. However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
So what are your thoughts? Could the X1 keep you satisfied for over a year? (FYI, I feel the Touch Pro 2 is ugly and bulky and I'm not at all down with HTC's new pattern of devices w/o DPADs or camera keys or functional landscape)
The only phones I see pulling me away from the X1 are a GSM Palm Pre with North American 3G (not likely to be released any time soon), Sony X2 (no inidication as to when one will come out), or the "3rd Gen" iPhone w/Skype, A2DP, and 3D nav w/voice (hell will prob freeze over before it can do any of those).
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I have a huge dilema guys. I've been lusting over the X1 ever since it was released in December. However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
So what are your thoughts? Could the X1 keep you satisfied for over a year? (FYI, I feel the Touch Pro 2 is ugly and bulky and I'm not at all down with HTC's new pattern of devices w/o DPADs or camera keys or functional landscape)
The only phones I see pulling me away from the X1 are a GSM Palm Pre with North American 3G (not likely to be released any time soon), Sony X2, or the 4th Gen iPhone w/Skype, A2DP, and 3D nav w/voice (hell will prob freeze over before it can do any of those).
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4th gen iPhone? Wheres the 3rd gen iphone.
I havn't ever used an actual HTC device other than the TyTn II (which is horrible) but if you like HTC, then Xperia is a pretty nice one.
Palm Pre looks like it's gonna do sweet things, but again, never used a palm, so it's the same as when I thought my iPhone would do sweet things, which is subsequently didn't.
It depends what you want, as far as phones go, it's probably the most dissappointing one (other than the iPhone, that's rock bottom) that I'v owned, especially havnt owned almost every Nokia N series device.
That being said, it's the WinMo that's the make or break, and you can't expect it to behave like a Sony Ericsson, because it really isnt.
So, if you like WinMo and can live with it, the SE Xperia is a nice place to be, and the community here is great for it.
Maybe in time the pace will pick up and we'll start finding more made for this resolution and landscape additions, but that's assuming it doesn't get steamrolled first.
If you're comfortable viewing in smallll screen go for Xperia, else take Touch HD or the upcoming Diamond II. I gues when Diamond 2 is widely available, Touch HD could have a drop in prices.
Regards,
Carty..
The lack of camera key on the Touch Pro is not a big deal, the middle action key is touch sensitive, so to zoom in you just lightly touch the action key and press to take picture. Not as "fun" as pressing real shutter key, but it works nice, So I reckon future devices from HTC would be equipped with similar system, especially for Touch Pro 2.
For a year the Xperia will surely holds, and with strong support from the community, it would probably last longer... Especially if Winmo 7 is hacked into it. The screen is not so terribly small, it's in fact to me a perfect balance between screen size and phone size... The HD/G01/iPhone is just too big for me.
The previews for Palm Pre unveils its promising future, beautiful interface combined with WebOS seemingly easy to develop apps, and developed by a company with strong history of great devices... It's simply going to be great. But... how about teething issues of new device, and worst, new OS? Surely there will be some rough roads for early adopters.
The X1 as it is, is a great device, compact yet stylish enough to reflect serious intentions from its owner.
Do note however, you choose Xperia because it's Windows Mobile. Judging from your signature... It's not quite the cup of tea you prefer. So, iPhone or Pre is your best bet... And heavier on Pre because it has iPhone like interface, WinMo functionality and awesome keyboard. I even have a slight crush on the Pre, but my X1 + Outlook combo is still top notch until the Pre came out and all of those would be bugs ironed out.
I had a Cruise and now an X1.
There is a HUGE difference.
The screen is awesome, the software is better, as the performance.
Also GPS is better.
I'm very satisfied with X1.
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However, I have an HTC Touch Cruise... Its clearly not a very outdated device. Have any of you upgraded from a 400mhz Touch series phone or newer, and if so do you feel you got your money's worth?
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I did exactly that - I still have the Polaris (P3650), a trusted backup device
The X1 has - obviously - much higher screen resolution, more Storage/RAM and a faster CPU. All of these things count.
There are also a number of excellent cooked ROM's here to make it zing.
I see from your post you want N America 3G, so presumably you are looking at the X1a.
The drawback I've seen is that the battery overheats when on wifi or GPS for longer periods (>1 hour, say) while charging from either the wall outlet or a car charger
If you are unlikely to exceed these parameters, then the X1a will work well for you.
Nonetheless, keep the Polaris as a backup for a while
Thanks all! Its good to hear some real world experience from X1 owners as well as ex Touch Cruise guys. I didn't get a feel for how many of you felt the X1 was a device that could stand the test of time and let you continue upgrade free for a decent amount of time... But I guess that's just about the individual person's characteristics as it is about the X1.
Ohh, and I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm anti winmo. At this point in the game, I can't switch from it, as its the only mobile OS that does everything I need. Its just too bad that it lacks speed and touch friendliness (hence the sig).
And if anyone's listening, one more question:
How do you guys like the panel UI? I'm one to try and make things work. I like HTC Home and the Cube. TF3D...not so much b/c it requires concentration and precision while using and could never really be used in a car (IE making a phone call over handsfree or starting up a Navigation app).
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I had a Cruise and now an X1.
Also GPS is better.
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I did a test of GPS with both devices (Polaris and X1) with interesting results.
Both devices were exactly side-by-side on a ute tray in the field at the same time. Same GPS survey program running on both of them:
P3650 6 satellites HDOP 1.5m
X1 9 satellites HDOP 0.9m
Radio ROM in the P3650 (Polaris) is 1.64.08.21
Radio ROM in the X1 is 1.10.25.18
The 50% difference in satellites found and 35% difference in horizontal DOP is down to the improvement in GPS in the appropriate Qualcomm CPU's and maybe the radio ROM's for each device. The X1 is way better here.
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Thanks all! Its good to hear some real world experience from X1 owners as well as ex Touch Cruise guys. I didn't get a feel for how many of you felt the X1 was a device that could stand the test of time and let you continue upgrade free for a decent amount of time... But I guess that's just about the individual person's characteristics as it is about the X1.
Ohh, and I didn't mean to give the impression that I'm anti winmo. At this point in the game, I can't switch from it, as its the only mobile OS that does everything I need. Its just too bad that it lacks speed and touch friendliness (hence the sig).
And if anyone's listening, one more question:
How do you guys like the panel UI? I'm one to try and make things work. I like HTC Home and the Cube. TF3D...not so much b/c it requires concentration and precision while using and could never really be used in a car (IE making a phone call over handsfree or starting up a Navigation app).
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Ok, my perspective for you on that last question, as a person that has never used winmo and has become very big on finger touch interfaces.
The Panels help this a lot here because for me, some of the most important features of my phone are texting, music, wifi and bluetooth (file sharing, web browsing)
So, without touching the stylus I can pretty much achieve all of these.
So, I start on the Today Screen, nothing I need there really. But I like to have my IM program there.
I want some music I hit the panel key, press the MediaXperience panel with my thumb and then navigate that with the optical pad (which I have set to minimum sensitivity cause it really is sensitive!)
I'm done listening to music I want to browse the web or send/receive by bluetooth I hit the panel key, press on the SE panel (the one with the big clock) I can toggle wifi/bluetooth on/off there. I can see if I have any messages or calls. Excellent.
If I need to file browse I have Resco Explorer installed in Touch Optimised mode, and I slide out the keyboard or use Finger Keyboard 2 to choose commands from the menus.
HTC Enlarged start menu for easy finger pressing if i need to do anything there.
Microsoft Voice Command if I want to do some things like find out what my appointments are for today/tomorrow.
Phone calls are easy and don't require the stylus, I generally call teh same 4 or 5 people so I dont use the contacts much andi nstead just scroll thorug hthe recent calls with the optical pad.
If I need to call a specific contact I will slide out the keyboard or use the voice command. Even with my phone book full of "colourful" names it works fine.
Messages etc are simple, I normally don't send messages first, I'm only every replying to them, so I just hit reply, slide out the keyboard and type away.
I think that' about it, I can't think of anything else I normally do with it. Most of the time i spend now with the device (other than the important stuff) is customising it and trying to make it sync my email as well as my iphone doe over wifi while it's sleeping.
hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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My advice , Go with iPhone
if you are into games & playing with your phone all day long i recomend the iPhone , However i would wait until the iPhone 3GS comes out .
HTC TD2 is nice & more usefull in many ways but not for teenagers i find it a bit boring to be honest even though its a TF3D
Xperia , If i could go back in time i would've bought something else ! its a nice phone & all but its more like " oh-so-fancy oh-so-useless!
i have the Xperia & im facing lots of problems.
im not saying you wont face any problems with the HTC or the iPhone but it sure is going to be much less , especially the keyboard problem most of the Xperia users are facing
AFTER ALL thats what > I < think, & if you are willing to pay +700$ on a phone then wait for more comments.
Goodluck
I would buy this.
Just because my device is very useful and well working machine,
with top display and great hardware&form factor.
It's also small and handy, and has a great feel too.
It depends on whether you need the 3,5 Jack for your headphones. If yes, go for Xperia. If no, go for Touch Pro 2. Forget Touch Diamond and iPhone.
No. I'd rather an iPhone, for it's apps.
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hey guys,
I have a quandary between some phones that X1 is included (also TD2 and iphone 3g)
I want to ask you guys, X1 owners, if you were me, would you buy the X1 now? or get TD2 or go away with the iphone 3g?
what would you do in my situation?
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If you are an American no, it is 300-500 dollars more expensive brand new than the X1i.
Touch Pro2 International (600 dollars) vs Xperia X1 International (500 dollars) vs Xperia X1 American (900 dollars [you pay 50 dollars tax WTF])
I would say go for Touch Pro2 ... it is easier to type, and set up appointments and all of the business functionalities are more convenient than the X1. However the X1 is a better multimedia device, aside from the speakers being much less loud than the TP2. The X1 has a very simply and very good and gorgeous mp3 player and an MP3 jack and flash LED, and it is what is keeping me from selling it.
BTW... Touch Diamond 2 is a worst choice than the Xperia and I would even rather get an iPhone 3GS over a Touch Diamond.
But don't get Touch Diamond if for business and convenience functionality...iPhone OS does not support automated applications, scheduled applications, or background applications.
THIS IS THE EFFING REASON WHY IPHONE ONLY PLAYS GAMES.
I AM TIRED OF PEOPLE REFERRING THEIR GAMES TO "APPS",
WHEN IN REALITY THEY ARE CALLED MINI-GAMES.
SHAME. ARROGANT BASTARDS.
I have no idea what EXTRA business functionalities TP 2 gives
over X1? Actually TF3D interface is a business usage's contradiction.
And X1 is the only device in the above group having any real and good navigating solutions.
Sometimes it's a REAL pain to NOT to have any scrollwheel or Dpad.
Like in OperaMini in the txt filed, when text exceeds the screen size,
there's no way to navigate through it without keyboard out....
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I have no idea what EXTRA business functionalities TP 2 gives
over X1? Actually TF3D interface is a business usage's contradiction.
And X1 is the only device in the above group having any real and good navigating solutions.
Sometimes it's a REAL pain to NOT to have any scrollwheel or Dpad.
Like in OperaMini in the txt filed, when text exceeds the screen size,
there's no way to navigate through it without keyboard out....
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Sigh...
1) I never said TF3D in my post. I never said TF3D was a business interface. I use SPB Diary, and it is amazing if you reserve 90% of the X1 screen to that program.
2) Real good navigation buttons, are you kidding me? Optical Joystick is not very good for scrolling the text cursor for editing documents and the D-Pad is terrible. Besides, the purpose of having a keyboard D-pad instead of the screen is to utilize the full potential of the keyboard.
Think about it. Try writing a document on Microsoft Word on the X1 and the Touch Pro2.
You will learn that you start using the phone in landscape more than in portrait. Why? Because the Touch Pro2 keyboard is very functional: easier to press, FN and CTRL indicators, wider buttons, numbers are separated and not hidden, arrow keys that work better the optical joystick as a D-pad.
Try using the Touch Pro2 for awhile and see if you'd rather spend most of your time in landscape mode, and if you do then you will understand why TP2 has a better button and key design.
I realize that with the X1, 50% of my time I would use the stylus as a text cursor and the optical joystick as a text cursor, and I get frustrated. I'd rather have a real D-pad with a good keyboard for extremely fast typing.
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Sigh...
1) I never said TF3D in my post. I never said TF3D was a business interface. I use SPB Diary, and it is amazing if you reserve 90% of the X1 screen to that program.
2) Real good navigation buttons, are you kidding me? Optical Joystick is not very good for scrolling the text cursor for editing documents and the D-Pad is terrible. Besides, the purpose of having a keyboard D-pad instead of the screen is to utilize the full potential of the keyboard.
Think about it. Try writing a document on Microsoft Word on the X1 and the Touch Pro2.
You will learn that you start using the phone in landscape more than in portrait. Why? Because the Touch Pro2 keyboard is very functional: easier to press, FN and CTRL indicators, wider buttons, numbers are separated and not hidden, arrow keys that work better the optical joystick as a D-pad.
Try using the Touch Pro2 for awhile and see if you'd rather spend most of your time in landscape mode, and if you do then you will understand why TP2 has a better button and key design.
I realize that with the X1, 50% of my time I would use the stylus as a text cursor and the optical joystick as a text cursor, and I get frustrated. I'd rather have a real D-pad with a good keyboard for extremely fast typing.
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Well if you like the TP 2 keyboard better that's perfectly fine, it's a preference thing.
I'm grateful that SE didn't put the numbers in A LINE since writing numbers in this mode is pain. I love the current design.
As for Dpad you omitted the portrait mode which I also use very often,
so in this mode lack of navigation is A CRAP for me on premium device..
So I personally choose X1 hands down over HTC, also because of camera and media interface.
Regarding my mentioning TF3D - I just didn't get precisely what you wrote about input/business, you just wrote about input (not that HTC is more business than SE).
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Well if you like the TP 2 keyboard better that's perfectly fine, it's a preference thing.
I'm grateful that SE didn't put the numbers in A LINE since writing numbers in this mode is pain. I love the current design.
As for Dpad you omitted the portrait mode which I also use very often,
so in this mode lack of navigation is A CRAP for me on premium device..
So I personally choose X1 hands down over HTC, also because of camera and media interface.
Regarding my mentioning TF3D - I just didn't get precisely what you wrote about input/business, you just wrote about input (not that HTC is more business than SE).
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Well I wouldn't mind a D-Pad on the front, but I would only want if they include these on the front AND the back also:
Windows Key
Ok Key
The guy wrote TD2, not TP2.
So please keep this on topic.
hatlo0or said:
My advice , Go with iPhone
if you are into games & playing with your phone all day long i recomend the iPhone , However i would wait until the iPhone 3GS comes out .
HTC TD2 is nice & more usefull in many ways but not for teenagers i find it a bit boring to be honest even though its a TF3D
Xperia , If i could go back in time i would've bought something else ! its a nice phone & all but its more like " oh-so-fancy oh-so-useless!
i have the Xperia & im facing lots of problems.
im not saying you wont face any problems with the HTC or the iPhone but it sure is going to be much less , especially the keyboard problem most of the Xperia users are facing
AFTER ALL thats what > I < think, & if you are willing to pay +700$ on a phone then wait for more comments.
Goodluck
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Apple troll go whoring somewhere else.
OP
If you want the best device on the market - YES !!!!!!
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The guy wrote TD2, not TP2.
So please keep this on topic.
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I'm trying to convince him that TD2 isn't worth it. I'd say get the X1 or the alternative: TP2
wait for the Samsung B7610 OmniaPRO
I won't buy a TP2 because its like 150$ more than the phones (iphone ,xperia and TD2) and it has almost the same features of X1 and I prefer the X1.
I can see that you're not recommending me the TD2 ,unlike the reviews that really like it and the people that has it,also I heard less problems of it than xperia.
also I see that only some recommend the iphone ,maybe because its not WM and can't be comutize like it?
I need a stable phone ( I dont want to another year of nightmare [k850]) with the features that I have in my K850 and better web experience and better app like GPS,IM, VOIP and more..
so would you buy the X1? or take the TD2/ iphone 3g?
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I won't buy a TP2 because its like 150$ more than the phones (iphone ,xperia and TD2) and it has almost the same features of X1 and I prefer the X1.
I can see that you're not recommending me the TD2 ,unlike the reviews that really like it and the people that has it,also I heard less problems of it than xperia.
also I see that only some recommend the iphone ,maybe because its not WM and can't be comutize like it?
I need a stable phone ( I dont want to another year of nightmare [k850]) with the features that I have in my K850 and better web experience and better app like GPS,IM, VOIP and more..
so would you buy the X1? or take the TD2/ iphone 3g?
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Well you never explained your situation, you explained your dilemma only.
Well...anyways, which iPhone 3G are you getting? 3GS or 3G?
If you're getting 3GS then get the 3GS
If you're getting 3G then get the Diamond2 instead.
Xperia's keyboard isn't the best and Touch Diamond 2 isn't that much bigger than the X1 at all. Touch Diamond 2 is less buggy, but Xperia has had 2 firmware updates now and that fixed a lot of issues. I really don't see any pros of the Touch Diamond besides that it has a zoom bar, and accelerometer. Everything else can be installed on the Xperia and modded. So instead of Touch Diamond2 get the Xperia X1.
Anyways if I was me, here are my choices:
#1 Xperia X1 or Touch Pro2
#2 iPhone 3GS or Nokia N97 or Samsung Omnia HD [Samsung Omnia HD being the most preferred and the other being equals]
#3 Touch Diamond2
Answer your question
Yes, I would still buy an X1 now. Good business use phone with media functionality. As with all things, it comes down to your priorities.
For me, it was a higher screen resolution within a smaller form factor, a keyboard and 3.5mm headphone (to save on cables, adapters etc when travelling).
I considered the TP2 but didn't want the larger size and the lack of buttons on the front.
Panels / Touch Flo was much lower down in the ranks given you can just visit this site and get anything else you need / want. More than likely, depending on your type of use you'll end up mucking around, do a hard reset and then just add what you need.
If you want to play games first and foremost the X1 isn't the phone. It does them perfectly well, but other phones are more focussed on that.
Good luck, and at least you get a choice in the matter. Why not visit a shop where you can play with them all side by side. Even if you cannot get into the detail, you can at least find the form that you prefer, then search the net for the functionality.
In the end it is up to what you use your phone for. I mean, if you like watching soaps or other movies on your device watch out for a big screen and maybe 3.5mm jack. I don't like Xperia's screen but I love the keyboard. I can type very fast and neat on it.
For me it is also fast enough with it's processor. The camera is okay, well, it is actually more than okay. You got a LED light here as well.
Speaker is weak and so is vibration, but if you do not mind that all you can go for it.
I mean, if you have a good offer, why not?
Let us know what you decide for and if you are satisfied!
what about waiting for the X2 or Rachael?
Because they are not even annonced yet?
I guess the thread starter wants something NOW, otherwise he would not have opened a thread here. Acer builds good smartphones now as well.
There are so many other options: Acer Tempo M900 or like mentioned before Samsung B7610 (what is my favourite at the moment...but I have to stick to my Xperia anyway : ( )