So here's my story:
I recently bought Samsung Omnia on which I did extensive tests on video playback
with CorePlayer 1.2.5 and TCPMP and with various video formats such as:
H264 Baseline 3 480x272 (originally encoded for playback in iPod Touch)
Various XviD encoded videos with resolutions varying from 640x360 to 720x400
Using DirectDraw as video output in both CorePlayer and TCPMP
the result was awful, dropped frames, awful motion and distorted colors.
However since the Omnia has the fastest CPU I know in WM Device so far,
the Marvell PXA312, 624MHz with IntelXScale acceleration,
the CorePlayer and TCPMP gives this as an option for video output the IntelXScale acceleration.
So when using this setting the video playback of any type of encoding was absolutely beautiful.
Colors were correct, performance was amazing (even in double playback speed) it was in general as smooth as it gets.
For a powerfull (hardware-wise) device such as omnia, I was very disappointed
in the resolution of the screen (240x400 - wqvga) and its size 2.8".
For this kind of device which has literally everything one would expect it
to have same screen size and resolution as the touch hd.
I rushed to buy this device I must admit and so I sold it to a friend after experimenting with it for one week.
The reason that I gave away so fast the Omnia was simply the Blackstone.
Since I am kind of perfectionist as far as it concerns screen resolutions, the touch hd is no match with any other phone/ppc device out there.
So here comes the real concern, how is the performance on video playback on the blackstone?
For a multimedia device like this one would expect that the performance
would be excellent (much like the omnia or even better if it can).
But what concerns me is the Qualcomm cpu at 528Mhz which as far as I can tell
doesn't have IntelXScale acceleration (plz correct me if i'm wrong on this)
So if it uses only DirectDraw and the results are crappy, then this would be such a turn off.
Can this CPU give a smooth video playback performance on a 640x360 XviD avi video
with "Smooth zoom: ON" and "Zoom: Fill Screen" settings on either CorePlayer or TCPMP?
And keep in mind that we are talking about realtime upsizing of the video to 800x480
which IMHO requires quite a lot of cpu power for such device.
Because really I am not willing to spend 700 euro on a multimedia phone
that can't actually perform well on multimedia.
I'd love to hear someone that has it and tested it on that matter.
Thanks for reading!
We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
mohdtmn said:
We really want to know the answer for your question, And I think that we have to wait until we see the phone on the market and get some benchmarks.
Also I think that SE in their xperia phone did what you are asking for ..! In the same beautiful screen resolution 800x480
Thank you,
Mohammed
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More like SE said to HTC "We want an awesome phone, but we don't want you to tell us what's in it, and we'll just make Magnus make up stuff as we go, also we suck at marketing."
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
buggybug0 said:
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
buggybug0 said:
touch HD has a slower cpu, without xscale acceleration. but it has a dedicated graphics chip, which matters more in video play back. at the resolution you have mentioned, i have full confidence it will do just as well if not better than omnia.
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but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
fallenczar said:
but htc is also notorious for not not allowing 3rd party software to use the graphic chip, that is when they do provide drivers for the chip
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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so are you saying if i were to install a 3rd party video player, when i try to play video, i will see a blank screen? because this player is 3rd party and can't access the graphic chip?? :S
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
Thats sux
I hope Touch HD has better driver ... because the hardware is the same.
Quite a downer ...
mkMoSs said:
I sure hope so, because I would say I'm not so satisfied with the Touch Diamond performance. Let me explain:
Since this matter is really killing me, I need to be sure it can perform well on video (not extreme stuff, the standard-like video formats we all use).
So I decided to make a test, since i don't own a Touch Diamond (which has the same hardware), I went to a local retail store that had the device on display for ppl to see and experiment with, I installed coreplayer and sent a 40" 608x400 xvid video with ~900kbps bitrate to test it.
CorePlayer was set automatically with video mode QTv and with TytnII Driver mode enabled (which i suppose is the accelerator driver)
I made sure nothing else was running in the background and the results was not so ok. I was playing just ok, I noticed some frame skips and some "lag" in fast motion.
I just hope the Touch HD has revised hardware (if that's possible) and better drivers maybe?
I really would like to hear an answer from someone that has already his hands on the touch hd
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No, i'm saying that coreplayer/TCPMP will only be able to use the default qualcomm chip, its exactly like having a graphic card in your pc with no drivers and no in built support
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If that is the case, then I dont understand it. I mean why HTC would go through all this trouble to have an extra graphics chip in their devices when no other than their own app could ever use? So they put a graphic chip with 3d capabilities and video acceleration for just their own apps like touchflo 3d ?
Isn't it just stupid?
Yes, that would be stupid. Fortunately though, there is quite some talk about the HD having an optimized chipset compared to the Diamond, even though this does not include the processor. It is already evident by the many movies that the device performs faster than the diamond even with the same processor, so I doubt you'd have exactly the same performance issues as with the diamond. Though there is only one way to be sure: wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
nin2thevoid said:
.......... wait 2 more weeks and everybody will own one.
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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Hell...i cant agree with you more..almost everyone i know is either 'buying one' or 'Wants to buy one'....whatever happened to the times when there were a few geeks like me who went out and bought a winmo phone....whatever happened to the iphone??...lol
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iPhone died, blackstone killed it
Blackstone is a killer... Woohoo.. We have to send it to prison!!.. I think I might have a good prison here at my home so my blackstone, come for punishment *roarr* lol
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
wuzy said:
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Hi, if I buy the current coreplayer-version from them, do I get a free update when the 1.3.0 will arrive? Or should I wait until it comes out? This would be the most important application for me on the Touch HD.. Greez, cad^^
wuzy said:
Coreplayer 1.3.0 is said to have major improvement with QTv rendering on MSM7201A/7200A. This was promised by them on their forum about a month ago.
Head over there and hurry them up! Those guys are reeaaaalllly slow, probably too busy working on Coreplayer for stupid iPhone.
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Fingers crossed!
They should just forget the iPhone, ppl will be finding out about blackstone and they will be throwing their iPhone from the window xD
I guess no problem with playing video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fv9lLAVidgA&fmt=18
Thanks to johnkorver who own the device, create the video review, and upload it to youtube.
looks promising even though we don't have any other info on the video file except the codec used (xvid).. anyway upscaling works nice and that says much..
one more video playback demo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7I6K8U7L4
With this dutch review http://www.winmo.nl/?p=966 of the HD there are 3 youtube video's posted that show of great performance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7I6K8U7L4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeNd1qLepTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oV9LFPEl_k
The review also confirms that the HD uses dedicated hardware (Qualcomm QTv videochip) to accelerate the video performance.
Lord.Bachus said:
With this dutch review http://www.winmo.nl/?p=966 of the HD there are 3 youtube video's posted that show of great performance...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wo7I6K8U7L4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeNd1qLepTI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oV9LFPEl_k
The review also confirms that the HD uses dedicated hardware (Qualcomm QTv videochip) to accelerate the video performance.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2854778&postcount=145
if you go by this post, the benchmarks very low (though the OP claims that the video was fluid.)
the problem with htc is that even though a dedicated graphic accelerator is/ would be present ,HTC has till date not allowed 3rd party (read coreplayer and co.) to utilize it
I was watching the HD video with a great interest and then tried to follow the same on my Diamond and there is no noticeable speed/responsiveness difference.
fallenczar said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2854778&postcount=145
if you go by this post, the benchmarks very low (though the OP claims that the video was fluid.)
the problem with htc is that even though a dedicated graphic accelerator is/ would be present ,HTC has till date not allowed 3rd party (read coreplayer and co.) to utilize it
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Don't forget that the benchmarks probably are not using the full potential of the hardware or are using it badly.
And as we all know, benchmark is a benchmark... only the true experience can tell us if it's good or not...
onesolo said:
Don't forget that the benchmarks probably are not using the full potential of the hardware or are using it badly.
And as we all know, benchmark is a benchmark... only the true experience can tell us if it's good or not...
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that would be because of HTC not releasing the details of the graphic accelerator to 3rd party developers.
although i do agree that it is the real experience that counts, benchmark help people like me who without the device make a comparison with there existing devices.
on a side note, "the real experience" varies with different people some people are happy with 200 kbps qvga encodes others want 2500 kbps vga encodes.
My personal experience is that anything under 124% stutters.
P.S does anyone know if it has a dedicated h.264 decoder (which would enhance battery life )
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In case the rapidshare link point to cracked version ... i need to say that Warez is strictly prohibited by XDA-Developers
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YES it is WAREZ!!!!!!
thomasVPA said:
YES it is WAREZ!!!!!!
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Ohhh noooo!!!!!! What are we going to do now!!! Run for your lives!! LOL
Hi, does anyone know which ROM is currently best for video playback?. I am currently using davi-duck v5 rom with TCMP onboard which also has the ac3 playback plugin but as this is an early version of COREPLAYER the playback is fairly poor for all my dvd rips. COREPLAYER playback is better but doesnt support the AC3 codec, I wonder if someone can port the AC3 plugin for TCMP to COREPLAYER as it doesnt look like they are going to.
I also wonder what playback will be like when we get android working on the HD, coreplayer are due to release a working model for android soon, or will the G1 have the same driver issues as the HD (being the same HTC hardware)
[email protected] i purchased Coreplayer and it is great for re-encoded video, however is i plan to do that i may as well reencode for winmo player as it has hardware acc?
WMP, MP4, hardware acceleration= near perfection!
Your thread is unclear and probably not appropriate for ROM Development section.
mp4
Like most people i do not want to re-encode all my vidoes to mp4 if we can get decent performance another way.
I understand your frustration
Yeah right!
Yeah i bought my Coreplayer on the Mininova website
Very bad
geronimocommie said:
Yeah i bought my Coreplayer on the Mininova website
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If people like you don't like to purchase a relatively cheap piece of software and insist on warez then how on earth will they ever want to or have the resource to develop it properly and include make all the correct optimisations.
This is the wrong forum for comments like that - if a MOD sees it your lucky if you dont get banned.
Go buy a licence it is dirt cheap the people at CoreCodec deserve it!