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How many rings before your Universal really rings ?

Well, it's been a while and everyone's been tweaking their universal, so, have you tried calling yourself and see how many rings it takes before your universal really rings ?
After all the tweaking, it still takes about 2 rings before my Exec actually plays the ring tone. Has anyone been able to shorten this lag time further ?

When my Jasjar is still powered On it rings while I am still hearing the 1st call tone through the receiver of the telephone I have used to call up my Jasjar.
When the Jasjar has powered itself Off, then it is no later than the mid of the 2nd call tone and most of the time just before the 2nd call tone has started playing.
By the way I have done no tweaking in this regard.
Kind regards

Same here, before the 2nd call, acceptable for me.
I am using a device flashed to Jasjar ROM 1.13.53 WWE, Radio 1.04.02 and no extended Rom installed.
regards,
Ruud

You guys seem to get the ringing quite fast
I read somewhere that having many contacts can slow down the phone and therefore increase the number of rings before the exec actually plays the ring tone. I have about 230 contacts with average of 2 tel numbers per contact. Can I ask how many contacts you guys have ?
I'm just trying to figure how to make my exec ring sooner ...

I copied the choice of ringtone directly to my Device/Windows/Rings.
so far it has been ringing almost immeidately.

I have about 100 contacts with an average of 2 telephone numbers per contact.
Regards

Gave an answer on the nr. of rings above, I have about 1.300 contacts with average 2-3 numbers, mail, address.
Calendar is sync with ALL meetings, so also between 1000-2000 entries, I do not recall. I further sync notes and files, but have no tasks.
Hope this helps.

Thanks for sharing the info guys ...
Just found something odd after some testing ... if I use the "Ringer.wav" that comes default with the Exec, it rings just before the second ring starts ... but if I select the "Fantasy.wma" (also default on Exec), the ring only starts after the second ring ... If i use the "Windows Default.wav", the ring also starts at the end of the second ring ...
It appears the more complicated the ring tone, the longer it takes to start ringing ...

mine's varied...i've been using the same ringtone and it can take anywhere from 1 ring to 6 or 7... the varying in lag times has totally lost me. i'm on an old ROM however. could be the issue?

My Dopod 900 rings after 1st call tone when it is ON and on standby mode it rings after 2nd call tone.

My Dopod 900 exactly the same.
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My Dopod 900 rings after 1st call tone when it is ON and on standby mode it rings after 2nd call tone.
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my imate (no extended rom features whatsoever), spb pp, diary and weather, using msvc, about 20 meg ram standard boot up.
exactly on the second ring when opened up and screen active.
immediately when i called again the second time to type this email with the lid closed. i assume this is cause the phone and everything was still active cause all i did was close it which really only deactivates the screen.
on the second ring when i turned the device and closed the lid.
so in summary, and i generally dont have much of a problem in this area is at the beginning of the second ring.
I dont have memory card readers running and somebody indicated that this is also a cause of lags.

I frequently don't hear my phone ring or SMS notifications. What can I do?

I just find that the ringer is often not loud enough for me. Maybe it's my ripe old age of 32 that has brought me to this point of degraded ability but if I leave my phone downstairs or vice versa, I usually won't hear it ring. Worse is the one time sound notification, that's rather short in my opinion, for SMS's. Both of these are even worse if I forgot to remove my phone from the protective sleeve.
I searched and only found people having issue with the volume in relation to calls but no mention if I could increase ringer volume above what is currently selectable. Is there any way to increase this volume and/or extend the ring time for the text notifications?

http://www.wirelessinfo.com/content/T-Mobile-G1-Cell-Phone-Review/MakingReceiving-Calls.htm
According to that website, they tested the G1 ringer volume and found it to have the lowest dB of all the phones they tested.
Is it that speaker is underpowered? Is it possible that we may be able to re-encode the ring tones with a higher volume to help compensate?

I don't think it has a low volume... I think it has to do with what you are using because it is just as loud as my Wing when playing music.

What I'm using? As in which ring tone? I've tested several different ones and they all seemed the same to me. Do you have any suggestions?

I have the same problem frequently, it isnt that you dont hear the rings or notifications, they actually dont play at all. I have had this happen with my phone on in front of mewith a great signal, and I call it from another line. It "rings"(but never does), finally ending in a voicemail. When I hang up and check the G1 it shows a missed call and voicemail.
Unfortunately there is no fix, just a reminder that you bought a phone that shouldnt be expected to work until the system is given time to mature. Until then, you either return the phone, sell it, or live with its limitations. (or so I have been told)

No, I have that happen too, but I do frequently have it ring just not loud enough for me to hear it. I know because my girlfriend often has to tell me when it's ringing if I've left it in another part of the house.

I have also noticed that the ring volume isnt great with the standard wring tones. Using mp3 ringtones is better.
Notifications do sometimes seem buggy. I have had no notifactions with messages when i have had the message application open. Not even vibrate.
I have missed calls installed now for notifications and it seems to not happen anymore.
Theres also a program out in the market that allows you to create your own ringtones from full songs. You could just cut a song into a small section and use that for messaging.
Its called ringdroid

I have missed calls installed now for notifications and it seems to not happen anymore.
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The down-side to this feature of the program is, the notification light will stop. If you check your missed calls, texts, so on from the bar on top.
You have to actually open the "programs" manually to keep the notification light working.
Ex. if you get a missed call, instead of pulling down the notification bar to check. Press the call button once.
if you get a text, open the messeging inbox using the messeging button or SMSChomp button.
Try to limit how often you have to pull the notification bar down.
Pulling the notification bar DISABLES ALL notifications of all kind.

Incoming Call Delay

There is a delay between incoming call and actually the phone ringing. Did you notice that as well? I asked my callers already several times how many rings they have heared. Normally 2, and I only heared one. So?
As well there is a small delay between picking up and actually being able to speak... Did you notice this as well?

i'm facing the same problem

Thx for your feedback. So now the question is if there is any reg-hack to speed this up.

I noticed that too.
But if you pay attention, there is a low ring in the background. Make a test in a zero noise environment..

@uterrorista, low-ring? pretty usefull, ha?
@all, pushing up the topic.
pretty bad, if the "waking up" process takes that long so the caller already got something like 3-4 rings until I hear the first ring...
any idea?

Upgrading your Radio should mostly solve this problem. And always try to have your ringtones in main memory rather than storage cards because power to sd card cuts of in standby mode and may take some time to return after awaken by a call.
Regards,
Carty..

With the new radio occurs the same.

Incoming call delay
This may help....
Somethings to consider:
1- I would say the actual ring signal is not always synchronized with the ring back tone we heard. The may come from different system within a complex telecom network. Therefore, some delay is expected as normal functionality in all telephone systems (Fix and mobile ones). What you hear when calling is send by the phone systems you are connected too (i. e. fix phone line of your provider central office systems). What makes your phone ringing is a command (teleco-protocol) sent by the system you are registered-in) So, we do not expect a ring to ring back sync any way.
2- To the previous fact, we should add the wake-up time, ringing tone search and play back as well as picture and info shown on display, call execution inner in the process on your JADE. You may minimize a bit these things, but I would say only a bit if you have the device always awake (battery waste) and your ringing tones are in the main memory.
3- if your phone does not give you radio problem, please do not upgrade it. You may run in problems you did not have before and it will void your warranty.
4- We can go further and add our ear and brain response time.
5- The time that comes for the call to go to diver destination or voice mail, counts from the moment that your phone is seized by your host public system and not from the moment the caller hear the first ring back tone.
Conclusion:
I do not see a real problem as far as it does not go over two ring back tones.

A lot of ringtones are silent about 1 second before they actually start (just like some songs and stuff). That might be your problem?

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A lot of ringtones are silent about 1 second before they actually start (just like some songs and stuff). That might be your problem?
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No, it isnt. Mine is the dafault tone.
If the jade is near a pc monitor, the monitor starts to make interferences two or three seconds before the screen lights up and the tone starts ringing.

yesterday it rang 1x and my caller said he heared the ringtone on his side of the line 5x!!!! wtf!?!?
what can we do to fix this?

Hello my radio version is 0.27.30.09 (from stock)
I too had a 3 ring call delay, i installed jademan superrom (which did not update the radio version , it's still the old one) and somehow the call delay vanished...
Or u can try the reg tweak to set the ring script to "av1pr" using sktools... works well for me..
hope that helps

Raghav_K said:
Hello my radio version is 0.27.30.09 (from stock)
I too had a 3 ring call delay, i installed jademan superrom (which did not update the radio version , it's still the old one) and somehow the call delay vanished...
Or u can try the reg tweak to set the ring script to "av1pr" using sktools... works well for me..
hope that helps
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Can explain the sk-tweak please?

Sure :d
install the latest sktools, Choose tuneup < phone edition < ring script and typr av1pr... which gives u a very short vibrate and ring... (which fits me cos the ring volume isn't very high and i dont wanna miss calls in noisy areas.. U can see help to modify the script to ur needs)
or if u prefer editing registry, use a registry editor to go to HKCU/ControlPanel/Sounds/Ringtone0/script and change the REG_SZ value to av1pr

annoying incoming call delay
Hi,
i have changed the registry script as people say but no difference. And that's no surprise as if you read the script letter by letter "av1pr" means activate device/vibrate/play ringtone/repeat. The original script "apw3r" again means "activate the phone/play rington/wait 3 seconds/repeat". So the 3 seconds delay happens AFTER the phone plays the ringtone the first time.
However, the activation(with activation I mean to wake up the phone from standby) actually happens always on the beginning of the second ring. I have another phone and I have done few tests calling the jade so I am sure of what I am saying.
By the way, I dont know if you noticed but changing the ringtone changes the script back to the original one. But it doesnt really matter given that this tweak doesnt make any difference.
I have to say instead that disabling the skin dialer allowed me to gain 1 second, and now the phone activates just before the second ring. So I believe that the solution should be found somewhere else and not in the script that everyone keeps talking about.
I think I have read that the superrom doesnt have this problem(jade rom development in this section). What did it change in there? why it doesnt show that?
Any help appreciated
Franco

Actually av1pr means activate & vibrate 1 sec & Ring
apw3r means activate & wait 3 sec and play ringtone
I used to get the caller screen and no ring till 3 sec till i changed that.... i know it resets everytime after u change rt but no prob for me cos i don change RT often and sktools has an easy way of changing it
And i need it to vibrate for 1 sec coz ring volume is a bit low in htc phones..
PS: i'm using superrom too

Raghav_K said:
Actually av1pr means activate & vibrate 1 sec & Ring
apw3r means activate & wait 3 sec and play ringtone
I used to get the caller screen and no ring till 3 sec till i changed that.... i know it resets everytime after u change rt but no prob for me cos i don change RT often and sktools has an easy way of changing it
And i need it to vibrate for 1 sec coz ring volume is a bit low in htc phones..
PS: i'm using superrom too
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well, the phone follows the sequence of commands so if it is:
apw3r
the phone will a=activate, then p=play ringtone, w3=wait 3 seconds, r=repeat sequence.
So the 3 seconds delay is after the first time the rt is played.
But I have the same initial delay with both scripts it does p**s me off really!
have you tried to use another phone to call your jade with the superrom? how long does it take to play the tone?

well i have tried and my jade starts vibrating by the time the first ring ends( in the phone from which i'm calling)
can u try the decrease ring delay tweak in the mighty enhancements section of this link and see if it works
http://triton.homeip.net/RegistryChanger/

My own experience is that SuperROM made absolutely no difference at all, neither does hacking the ringtone script (as other have said, the "delay" is after the ringtone has started anyway).
What did make a difference in both the stock & superrom firmware was to disable the HTC dialer skin and revert to the WM6.1 caller id bubble. This reduced the average delay to about 1 second. The other variable is whether the phone is in full suspend mode or awake - my phone certainly takes longer to activate from full suspend mode (full suspend being suspend on battery).
Haven't tried the new HTC stock ROM yet, maybe this improves things? I think it will take some changes to the low-level drivers to improve on the 1 second wake-up with WM6.1 dialer (these may be in the new stock ROM, all of the cooked ROMs use low-level drivers from the original stock ROM so will all be the same in this respect).

Raghav_K said:
well i have tried and my jade starts vibrating by the time the first ring ends( in the phone from which i'm calling)
can u try the decrease ring delay tweak in the mighty enhancements section of this link and see if it works
http://triton.homeip.net/RegistryChanger/
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Absolutely no difference whatsover. Again, the only improvement I can get is when I disable the dialer skin and use the wm default one. Then it rings just before hearing the second tone on the calling line.
To be honest I am not surprised, the registry key that is changed is:
HKCU\ControlPanel\SoundCategories\RingPreview\InitVol
which clearly refers to a volume level and not to a time delay...??

Waking up on incoming calls takes too long....

I've just realized that I keep missing calls because it seems to me that the Touch HD takes entirely too long to wake up on an incoming call.
Example:
I called my phone, it rang TWO times before the phone started to wake up, by the time I was able to answer it, it was too late.
Anyway to speed up the waking of this phone on incoming calls. I can't have all these delays. Or is there a way to make it ring LONGER (as a workaround) before going to voicemail?
Does having the phone locked increase the time it takes to wake it up?
Question 2:
It seems like just picking up my phone from my desk answers it. That's no good, sometimes I want to pick it up to look the the caller id but it auto answers upon picking up the phone off my desk. Can this be disabled?

derrickonline said:
I've just realized that I keep missing calls because it seems to me that the Touch HD takes entirely too long to wake up on an incoming call.
Example:
I called my phone, it rang TWO times before the phone started to wake up, by the time I was able to answer it, it was too late.
Anyway to speed up the waking of this phone on incoming calls. I can't have all these delays. Or is there a way to make it ring LONGER (as a workaround) before going to voicemail?
Does having the phone locked increase the time it takes to wake it up?
Question 2:
It seems like just picking up my phone from my desk answers it. That's no good, sometimes I want to pick it up to look the the caller id but it auto answers upon picking up the phone off my desk. Can this be disabled?
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Try using 3rd party apps like 'Advanced Config', 'HD Tweak' and 'SKTools' to tweak to optimise your HD performance.
I know HD Tweak has the option to enable or disable ring delay for incoming calls

I have tweak HD now. So let me ask you, why would anyone want a ring delay in the first place?

I hate how long it takes to answer a call. Sometimes i answer on the first ring and the caller says "what took you so long?".
What's even worse is, if the phone is doing something and someone rings, i can press the answer button all i like but nothing happens...the phone seems to clogged up with other tasks. This may just be the ROM though, i'm about to flash the new Touch of HD rom so i'll see how it goes.

Gat, I'm pretty sure it's a power issue. Windows Mobile is slow and clunky especially on a 528Mhz processor. Can't wait for tegra or snapdragon. I don't think another rom will help you.

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I have tweak HD now. So let me ask you, why would anyone want a ring delay in the first place?
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Personally I don't why, but I can't answer for everyone!
I hate how long it takes to answer a call. Sometimes i answer on the first ring and the caller says "what took you so long?".
What's even worse is, if the phone is doing something and someone rings, i can press the answer button all i like but nothing happens...the phone seems to clogged up with other tasks. This may just be the ROM though, i'm about to flash the new Touch of HD rom so i'll see how it goes.
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Try using Dutty's Xtreme V1.8 ROM, link below. I haven't experienced any delays since I started using this ROM. May be a coincidence, but worth a try!

With Dutty's V1.8 rom it takes half-a-ring before the screen wakes up, and then a whole ring on silent before it makes any sound. So 1 1/2 rings before I know some-one is calling.

Guys, don't. This is a issue and fixed by HTC, there's a official patch for this problem: htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
fixed my equal problems at once!

The delay is caused by the HTC dialer and all the stuff it needs to load on an incomming call.
If it is a serious problem for you, use HD tweak to change the phone dialer back to WM6. This will give you instant ring on incomming call, but you will lose some features provided by the HTC dialer such as volume control during call, bluetooth notification on top bar,video calling and possibly mute on face down.
If you don't want to use HD Tweak the reg key is
HKLM\security\phone\skin_enabled
Option is 0 (disabled) 1 (enabled)
Soft reset to make the changes.

ardsar said:
The delay is caused by the HTC dialer and all the stuff it needs to load on an incomming call.
If it is a serious problem for you, use HD tweak to change the phone dialer back to WM6. This will give you instant ring on incomming call, but you will lose some features provided by the HTC dialer such as volume control during call, bluetooth notification on top bar,video calling and possibly mute on face down.
If you don't want to use HD Tweak the reg key is
HKLM\security\phone\skin_enabled
Option is 0 (disabled) 1 (enabled)
Soft reset to make the changes.
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Hi, I tried this from HDTweak but it did not seem to make a difference. The phone still takes about 1.5 rings before it starts to ring itself. I have lost the bluetooth icon.
Hmmm - I think I will just go back to the HTC dialer

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Sorry

This is a issue and fixed by HTC, there's a official patch for this problem: htc.com/www/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
fixed my equal problems at once!
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bazzxdahtc, I can't find the patch for this issue under your link

This one should work: http://www.htc.com/europe/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
Look for:
- Hot fix for improving the on-screen slider feature for answering calls
and
- Hot fix to enhance response time for HTC Touch HD
These two made my HD work a lot better then before! I used to miss calls often due to the lag in answering incoming calls.

bazzxdahtc said:
This one should work: http://www.htc.com/europe/supportdownloadlist.aspx?p_id=179&act=sd&cat=all
Look for:
- Hot fix for improving the on-screen slider feature for answering calls
and
- Hot fix to enhance response time for HTC Touch HD
These two made my HD work a lot better then before! I used to miss calls often due to the lag in answering incoming calls.
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These 2 fixes have nothing to do with the famous 2 ring delay. The response time improvement was to solve the latency when using the keyboard - ie sometimes it would appear to freeze. The second fix is for the slider only.
Suggest you guys do a bit of searching as there are a lot of threads relating to this famous 2 ring delay with wm6. The first incomming call always seems to take a bit longer after the phone has been switched off or soft reset - did you try and see what the delay is several times? Appologies that using the wm6 dialer did not work for you - it certainly does for me and many others.

Just trying to help...
I run stock ROM(1.14.404.3(V2227)NLD)+regular updates/patches and this works on my device, you doubt my experiences?
Have you actually tried these yourself? Or are you just reasoning from your cooked ROM...
Suggest you stay nice to everyone.

No i dont doubt your experience apart from the fact that htc fixes are not specific to the 2 ring delay. It also has nothing to do with the fact im using non stock rom .i applied these tweeks to the standard rom before flashing my device. if you do a search for 2 ring deLay, you will see that this is a common problem. Also other sites such as www.pocketshield.netserver01.com/readme.aspx make reference to this exact problem
I'm only tryin to help, and ive spent a lot of my time investigating this issue.

Just a quick thought.. do you have an MP3 assigned as ringtone? I recently added an MP3 ringtone and suddenly it took a lot longer before the phone started ringing..
Changed it back to one of the standard tones and it was much faster.

I agree about the MP3 issue.
I often see my Touch HD waking up to handle the call 1-2 seconds before I hear the ringtone. As soon as the dialler skin is up (or S2U2 application) then I am able to answer the call without the MP3 ring kicking in.

Before I use S2U2, Pocketshiel and Inesoft programs in the same time..it takes at least 4 seconds to starts ring. but now only S2U2 its only 1 sec.

Guys I'm using 1.19.831 stock ROM, applied ONLY Slider hotfix from HTC, ringing with mp3 file (around 900kb size) and do these tweaks in HDtweak and Advanced Config 3.3:
Incoming ring delay = no;
Battery icon in phone menu = no;
Filesystem cache: enabled
Filesystem cache size: 8 mb;
File system filter chace: 131072 sectors;
Glyph cahce: 64 kb;
The delay is around 1.5 ring BEFORE it start ringing. 1 ring before display answer slider. I'm not 100% sure if all of above settings have any connection with the problem, but with these one --> a whole 1 ring delay is gone away...

Ring delay

Hey guys,
For some reason my hero is causing a lot of problems in terms of answering phone calls. If I stand 10 feet away from the phone, I have full connectivity and if I call my phone from another phone, I get the trackball lighting up on my hero when I've heard the 3rd ring on the phone I'm calling from. If I carry on listening, by about the 6th ring I get my first ring on my hero. This is a very big problem as people give me a call and I used to answer immediately and so no one waits more than 2-3 rings. Is there a fix for this?
Many Thanks

try menu > settings> sounds and display. Turn off the "quiet ring on pickup"

try Cronos rom,your hero will ring immediately as a call's coming

Hey guys,
Thanks so much for your help. I've tried it on chronos and disabled the option for a day and have been asking everyone of my caller about which ring it was (1st, 2nd or 3rd) and the good news is I get the trackball half way through 2nd ring and the ringtone on the 3rd which is a very significant improvement. If it is possible to improve it slightly more then it would be perfect. I dont need it straight on one maybe missing the first ring on the max.
Thanks again!