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I am wondering whether push email is functioning through wifi on the prophet? I have wifi coverage over my city, and would prefer it then getting billed for GPRS...
Push Email client from Microsoft will not work over WiFi, it is meant to generate business for mobile providers
But Siemens and other mail server solutions companies offer push email over WiFi for WiFi Providers - but I think no one is offering it yet.
Note: Be carefull with push email over GRPS. Depending on individual settings this can generate a lot of traffic without downloading a single email. One engineer told me about 15 megs traffic just for polling the Exchange server, without downloading a single email. Of course you can work out conservative settings, but better get a GPRS or UMTS data flat...25 euros here in Germany (www.base.de)
Are you 100% sure of this?
Microsoft's implimentation of Push e-mail uses HTTP(S) so therefore should not be limited to the transport unless the implimentation is restricted on the device in some way?
All the information I have totally contradicts your statement, can you please justify it can as I fear it is absolutely incorrect.
Dear, I don´t have to "justify" anything. Do your own research, ask Microsoft MSDN like I did, and then write about it. Enjoy.
PS: The original question was - as I understood it: Can MS push email client for Mobile 5 work over WiFi.
Why you do not use POP3/SMTP or IMAP through WiFi ?
Thanks guys
Thanks Lucas, I think that pretty much answers my question.
Cheers.
You can setup a schedule like i did in activesync to poll email over wifi every 5 min and disable push.
If you want to use gprs, then just change schedule to sync as new items arrive and enable push in comm manager
What happens when out of wifi range?
Jamichy, what happens if you go out of wifi range with your settings? Do you get an error message or something you then need to respond to each time you are out of range?
Usually, activesync will try to sync, but does not generate any notifications. If I launch activesync, it shows me the time of last sync with exchange server on top line.
If i leave push settings on, and connect to wlan, Activesync Generates an "Attention Required:To syncronise you need to have a cellular network connection" message...
So when I'm at home or work, i disable push, and on the road i keep push enabled. BTW, Direct push can work using both GPRS web and wap settings
Outlook is officialy not supportet at mail2web live i think, but is there a way to use your desktop outlook with the free service?
currently i sync my Wizard with my Outlook and the Exchange Service, so i have all things synced between outlook and exchange indirectly, but a direct sync would be better.
Yeah, I've tried messing about with Outlook to get it to connect to the exchange server, but no luck so far. If anybody knows a way, then please post it here!
I think the only way to "hack" the service for desktop outlook would be a OMA Plugin for outlook, to sync with the Server ActiveSync.
lutzs said:
I think the only way to "hack" the service for desktop outlook would be a OMA Plugin for outlook, to sync with the Server ActiveSync.
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Could you post any more info about this?
Ye please! would be very interrested in a solution
If you think it have such a tool you misunderstood.
There are only 2 open doors to mail2web: OWA (Outlook Web Access) and OMA (Outlook Mobile Access). We can forget OWA. OMA is for syncing PocketPCs (ActiveSync Server). So we need a plugin or tool for the desktop outlook, that make it syncing over OMA!
Is there any development in this area. I was looking to sync my web2mail with my Desktop outlook.? Is it possible at all?
Cheers
I am presently using mail2web live very successfully.
I have my comcast email forwarded to the mail2web email address and leave the messages on my comcast server to download later to outlook.
I put the mail2web server source settings into Active Sync. It somehow syncs these server settings to the pda and with my unlimited monthly cingular data plan, I get ALL of my email OTA downloaded to my PDAphone immediately as it arrives to comcast.
Works great.
Yeah, that is possible. I am getting my gmail OTA, which I have forwarded to mail2web. My question was about syncing mail2web with desktop outlook, not mobile outlook. The idea is, then I dont have to sync with PC using USB cable at all. I sync with mail2web OTA, and when I log on to outlook on my PC it will sync with mail2web. So, I dont need a physical connection between PC and handheld. :lol:
This works if you pay $1.99 to mail2web.
However I too would like a free version.
Is it $1.99 per month..?
Yes
http://services.mail2web.com/Personal/EnhancedEmail/
or something I am in the process of trying
getting ADSL with a static IP address / web address and using the OWA MS 2003 server settings, setting my PC as a server, so I can use the MSFP to directly sync in with my home PC ( I think you need XP Pro to do this though, not XP Home).
This will also allow me to VPN in and take anything from home out and about.
I should also be able to do this to e.g. play my music files from my PC on my device. Will let you know how this works.
Unfortunately I am not a software developer, but if any of you need an idea; do what I just said in a one off program that runs on any PC and cradled device - syncs 'em together via GPRS / wi-fi that would be nice.
Just to let you guys know that mail2web now offer a FREE MS Exchange based e-mail account called 'mail2web Live'. As standard you can use it with ActiveSync (...and direct push if you're using WM5).
You also get access to the usual Outlook Web Access (OWA) and Outlook Mobile Access (OMA).
I've been playing around with it for the last few days and I'm well impressed - so much so that I've upgraded to their 'personal exchange' plan - to my mind a bargain for a meagre $1.99 a month. This gets rid of the banner and google ads that do take up the best part of 1/2 of the screen in the free version as well as giving you a gig of space and a few other goodies.
Cheers,
Rik
Here's the cheap way of getting picking up emails on outlook and using direct push
Sign up for 2 email accounts, one mail2web account and another email account that uses pop3(or use an existing one).
Set up email forwarding from the pop3 account to mail2web.
Set up your outlook account to leave email on the server.
This way you get the best of both worlds.
Then set activesync to sync to both outlook and mail2web and get the emails from mail2web so thats it uses direct push.
One other thing you could do is to use an advert blocker (like adblock in firefox) this gets rid of the adverts as well.
hope that helps save some cash
thanks
wayne
Here's the cheap way of getting picking up emails on outlook and using direct push
Sign up for 2 email accounts, one mail2web account and another email account that uses pop3(or use an existing one).
Set up email forwarding from the pop3 account to mail2web.
Set up your outlook account to leave email on the server.
This way you get the best of both worlds.
Then set activesync to sync to both outlook and mail2web and get the emails from mail2web so thats it uses direct push.
One other thing you could do is to use an advert blocker (like adblock in firefox) this gets rid of the adverts as well.
hope that helps save some cash
thanks
wayne
As hedgehog1982 suggestes this is a pretty good option, especially if you have an e-mail address on your own domain. This does have a couple of drawbacks though...
(i)
When you send (or reply to) an e-mail it will come from the mail2web account and not your POP account. You can get around this by setting up both accounts on your XDA (i.e. ActiveSync for your mail2web account and SMTP to send from your own e-mail address) - however, you'll have to remember to send from the SMTP when you send and don't hit reply.
(ii)
You'll effectively get two coppies of your e-mails (one to mail2web on your XDA and one to your POP inbox) - so if you want to delete an e-mail for example you'll have to do it on both. The beauty of the ActiveSync setup is that both server and XDA sync, so if you delete/move/organise your e-mails/calendar/contacts/tasks on either, the other also updates.
There are companies out there that will give you a single (or more) Exchange account(s) on your own domain but this will cost you more - most start from about a fiver a month.
Any way to sync mail2web with Desktop outlook yet?
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When you send (or reply to) an e-mail it will come from the mail2web account and not your POP account. You can get around this by setting up both accounts on your XDA (i.e. ActiveSync for your mail2web account and SMTP to send from your own e-mail address) - however, you'll have to remember to send from the SMTP when you send and don't hit reply.
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Guys how do you set in your PPC "both accounts to send from your own email-address" ? My target is to get mails pushed from my corporate exchange server and to be able to reply also using my corporates email address. But our company doesn't allow any remote access to exchange (except VPN with my notebook and OWA).
The only workaround I found is to have redirect emails from exchange server to f.e. gmail, in gmail you can set an alternative email address you can send from (it will fake my [email protected] and send it "on behalf of xx"). This way I can receive and send my emails from my PDA and it looks quite well. But - with gmail I only can pull and not push.
So using mail2web.com I could push and reading your instruction how to set that SMTP in my PDA, it should also work to reply with my corporates address, but there is no possibility to set this you described...how did you do that?
I think what he means is to setup your exchange account as POP3/IMAP, but never use it to receive, only use it to send.
Example:
1. You have ActiveSync setup with mail2web (push), and you setup gmail to forward to this account based on filtering or direct forward.
2. You setup another account with the same details as your exchange server. Have this account setup so that it never downloads. Depending on your setup, you would need to setup either POP3 or IMAP. I would suggest IMAP.
3. When you want to reply to a message, don't hit reply from your 'Outlook Messages' (that's your push email). You would compose a message and use your corporate email servers outgoing SMTP to send it.
However, since you mentioned that exchange is closed except via VPN, it makes me think that they have also closed all other ports.
It might be possible for you to install a VPN client on your device and sync that way?
I apologize for my ignorance regarding Pop3 email as all I use is corporate email. I setup an activesync partnership on a laptop that only has EarthLink email. I kind of expected to be able to configure the 8125 to send / receive EarthLink email from it's Outlook E-Mail but it seems that I need to create an separate Pop3 account for EarthLink on his PDA?? I'm sure I'm missing something extremely simple but my searches have been fruitless.
Feel free to blast me into oblivion ( after pointing me in the right direction of course!)
Fire when ready Gridley!
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Steven
Assuming you wish to get your pop3 email on your PDA whilst it is not connected to your laptop (GPRS or WiFi) you wll you need to create a new email profile on the PDA using your existing email settings. If you just want to syncronise your email between the laptop and PDA then just set up this relationship in Activestink. If you want to use your PDA as the medium over which your laptop will connect to your email account then you will need to configue your PDA as a modem.
Let me know if I am way off in uderstanding your problem...
So my understanding is that even though the client has one email account with EarthLink and he'd like to synchronize his contacts, calendar and email with his PC he has to create a new Pop3 account on his PDA that retrieves his email while he's on the golf course or wherever that is completely separate from his Outlook E-Mail? (and this guy wonders why I'm trying to push him into a corporate email account!)
Thanks for the help!
Steven
Yep. Thats how I do it. My POP3 account is duplicated on my PDA and laptop. I use the T-Mobile web push service to shove the emails to the PDA just like text messages. I can't see why a corperate email account would be any better or different. I also have my corperate email on my PDA and corperate laptop. Same process....
Thanks for your help regarding this but now I'm confused. With my corporate I have one and only one account on my PDA which synchronizes with my Exchange server. My question is ... can my client's EarthLink email be downloaded to his PDA's main Outlook E-mail which was configured when I created the AS partnership? Or does he have to have new emails delivered to his EarthLink profile and use his PDA's Outlook profile only to review old emails when his PDA is on the road? This makes absolutely no sense.
There is a major difference between this then and Exchange email.
Sorry to be so boneheaded but I really can't believe that this is supposed to work like this!
Steven
Goodness your starting to confuse me :? AFAIK the Outlook email profile on your PDA is purely there to act as a syncronised copy of the email client that you configure AS to work with. If you look in your PDA email options you do not get the opportunity to configure this profile. In effect this profile only gives the user the ability to store on his PDA those emails that already exist on the partner PC. In addition he will be able to edit these emails (Reply, delete, file and create new) whilst the PDA is disconnected from the PC. Upon the next AS syncronisation any ammendments or new emails created on the PDA will be sent using the PC communication path and any new emails receievd into the main PC (Exchange) account will be updated to the PDA. This functionality is desgined for all PDA's BUT remember most PDA's don't have the phone built in so this is exactly the functionality they need.
If you want your clients coperate email to be updated "live" to his PDA (Phone Edition) there are three ways to do it:
1 Configure a POP3 or IMAP4 account on his corperate network with suitable dial-up access - This will be dog slow as the PDA will have to use the GSM (NOT GPRS) network to access.
2 Configure his MS exchange server to handle the new "push" email service available with Exchange 2003 SP2. A relationship is set up between the PDA and the Exchange server and the connection is made over the internet which will allow his GPRS/EDGE connection to be utilised which will be miles quicker than GSM dial-up. This method allows emails to be "pushed" to the PDA in a similar way to text messages rather than the client having to make a connection every 30 mins or whatever. The PDA software will need to be WM5 AKU2.
3 Use a 3rd party relay system such as Goodlink from Good technologies. The PDA can be WM2K3 and does not require AKU2 functionality as a client app will be installed on the phone. This works by having a secure connection between his corperate network and the Good Technlogy service centre which will then link to the PDA in a very similar way to option 2.
Any other email accounts will have their own profile configured on the PDA.
I sure hope this is of some help to cause my fingers are sore typing this out on my Wizard :wink:
Thanks for the info but I'm quite aware of and have been utilizing the corporate methods of PDA email for a number of years. Unfortunately all my clients have Exchange servers so I haven't had to deal with Pop email in quite a number of years. This particular client is a friend that insists on living with his Earthlink email. I'm just so used to having my email synced without having to work so hard!
I appreciate your effort !
Steven Putnam
MCSE / CCNA
(not that letters mean anything)
chow
No probs Steven, the only thing I would add is POP3 accounts on a mobile device will normally fall foul of useable SMTP gateways. I'm not sure what earthlink use but if you run into difficulties trying to send emails you'll know where to look. An SMTP relay server that accomodates user validation is required when your "off the ISP network"
hello,
I have few connections on my S200, (few apn's opened), one
for internet, one for email and one for corporate access. So,
I want that my activesync use email connection. Well,
how to tell Activesync to use email connection, not Internet
or corporate?? It always uses Internet...
thx
Use the CM_Mapping method - read about it on MSDN
Everything was working fine on my Mogul with two e-mail accounts using Outlook. All of the sudden, my Outlook can not send any e-mails on either account when using WiFi. I can send using 1X phone line.
I tried setting up my Yahoo account again, to no avail. Any ideas? With my Moto Q, I had to set up Yahoo again as a POP3 account, instead of the automatic account setup, which used IMAP. Is the same thing happening here?
Frustrating!
BB
look for a program called NODATA or NOGPRS here on XDA. Use it to disable the GPRS function on your phone temporarily and then attempt to send it with only the wifi. If it works let me know and i'll talk you through a permanent fix.
Are you able to surf the net using the WiFi (when the evdo connection has been closed via comm manager)?
If you're online with WiFi, but can't send email (yet you can receive), I'm guessing that the WiFi's internet connection may be the culprit...
You see, many ISPs have outgoing mail filters in place so that viruses and the like can't send out spam from multiple computers.
For example, my provider is optimum online, and they only allow outgoing mail traffic on port 25 (the standard pop3 outgoing port) if it is going to mail.optonline.com.
All you have to do then, is change your outgoing mail server to optonline, and you're all set (note this doesn't change your email address... all outgoing mail servers are the same, you can use whichever you want and it won't have any effect on your name or anything). Every optonline user in my area knows about this by now.
Problem is, then you can't send email from EVDO because optonline isn't accessible from there.
I chose to only send and receive email from the EVDO connection (you can set this somewhere, although I don't remember where), so even when using Wifi, outlook is using the cellular connection.
Alternatively, you can use an exchange server which won't have this problem (since it doesn't send outgoing mail directly, but rather syncs with a server which then sends your mail).
Dishe said:
I chose to only send and receive email from the EVDO connection (you can set this somewhere, although I don't remember where), so even when using Wifi, outlook is using the cellular connection.
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This would be an option I would use. Anyone know if the setting is in E-Mail Acct. setup, and would you have to change it to POP3 because IMAP setup is automatic?
Thanks
BB
you need to setup the outgoing mail for port 25 is filtered of the isp that wifi is using: such as mail.optonline.net for optonline