A simple but important question:
Do You changed your original ROM to a self-made?
Yes?
What ROM did You use? (Link would be fine)
why You flashed your ROM?
do you experience more performance?
known problems?
would You recommend it?
No?
do you think about doing it?
bad experience with doing it?
Yes, I changed.
1. Touch of HD 2.2 Full Edition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=460640
2. Because I had to choose one and this seemed to be good choice. (And it was!
3. Yes, my hd seems to work faster.
4. So far I haven't noticed any problems. Sometimes the device won't show thumbnails of pictures in file explorer but it's not a big deal as you need just to change folder and all is fine.
5. Yes, it is worth testing. You should not be disappointed.
No:
1. I do think about changing rom but since I have customised and performance tweaked my HD already I wonder what a cooked rom will do. I know a cooked rom will likely perform better than official but what about a tweaked official with all your customisation and performance tweaks. What's the advantage?
2. Not tried yet.
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No:
1. I do think about changing rom but since I have customised and performance tweaked my HD already I wonder what a cooked rom will do. I know a cooked rom will likely perform better than official but what about a tweaked official with all your customisation and performance tweaks. What's the advantage?
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Exactly my opinion! This post could be mine
What's the advantage? Want to know it too, thats why i opened this thread!
Not YET, but I will later. I would like to be completely familiar with the stock ROM first in order to be able to have a good feel on whether there is improvement.
Honestly, I'm so satisfied with the stock ROM already. Don't seem to experience the problems that some describe, such as it beign slow, etc. I have no freeze after about 10 day of use so far, I find it very very fast.
I do want to flash a cooked ROM because I hope to see improvements in a few areas:
a) inability to make SIM contact hiding registry change stick. I understand that at least one of the cooked ROM has fixed this.
b) occassional stutters in music playing. Not sure if this problem is fixed in cooked ROM.
c) When selecting album, the storage card entry will show up only after I have selected ALL, wait for a while, then go back to reselect. Even then, the Storage Card entry does not always show up. Not sure if any cooked ROM has fixed this yet.
d) I don't like having the battary icon on the TF3D taskbar. I like it to show the date/time instead. Not sure if cooked ROM has fixed this.
e) The standard ROM has switched off the screen orientation UI switch. One needs to switch it on before we're able to assign Rotate Screen to a hardware key. I understand that at least one of the cooked ROM has rectify this.
f) I never like HTC task manager, and had always used Wktask in the past. If the cooked ROM uses Wktask and disable HTC task manger on today screen, I would consider it a plus.
g) I don't like the default calculator skin either but I never use this simplistic calculator anyway. Having a proper skin is nice though. After trying out Panomaric Calc, I think I'm going to stick with it.
h) I wish pressing hardware button twice does not result in dialing the last dialed number as it does now. I know we can lock the device to prevent this from happening while the device is in our pocket. However, once the phone is unlocked, it is easy to dial the last number without me realising it. I wonder if any of the ROM addresses this issue.
i) TF3D color. I wish we have an easy way to frequently change color for every tab, not just the home tab. I also love to see the 3D glassy taskbar and bottom bar back. If anyone know of any ROM that has that, please share here. I know I can flash all of them and find out for myself, but would be nice to know from those who have already tried.
j) I wish the TF3D music program is able to assign songs to a playlist more efficiently. ATM, I have to show the music on the screen, then click menu/add to playlist. This is too laborious. Or perhaps there is an easier way that I'm unaware of?
That's all I can think of ATM. I'm sure it's a matter of time before some of the cooked ROMs make these improvements.
So, I definitely will flash, but don't know when and which ROM yet.
1. Dutty's v1.1 HD Rom
2. Because I'm a flash-a-holic, and Dutty's been making incredibly fast and stable roms for a long time. Based on new 1.19 official rom, which has bug fixes and Dutty has tweaked performance.
3. Hard to say. Except for the annoying freeze problem, I've been fairly happy all along. Mainly, I trust Dutty -- the hodge-podge of settings I was using didn't seem as stable.
4. Only one - once in a blue moon, closing a lot of programs individually & sequentially from the home screens top right task manager button will freeze the device. Another user said this was reproducable, and Dutty is tracking it down...
5. Oh, heck yeah!
In conclusion i must say, that im not convinced yet...
Someone who knows the device good enough should just Hard reset the device and customize and tweak it for his own, with the applications he or she likes and the tweaks he knows (!). This way he or she will get a device completly known by the user.
BackUp this state so you can go to it back everytime you want. TADAAAA you have YOUR personal perfect device ROM
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Hi there
I've just got my shiny new Touch HD. Wow - what an upgrade to my Orbit 1 (don't laugh). I loved my Orbit but this is so much better. It's not revolutionary, but everything has evolved so well i.e. the big screen, no horrible frame around the screen, USB 2 connection, love the Drive mode thingi when you plug it to your computer ect.
Only problem is I can't get TomTom to work - I'll sort that out later...
Now to the question - how do you unlock the extended rom (I think that what they call it)? I want to prevent the applications from installing i.e. TouchFlo Home Plugin after a hard reset. I find the combination of SPB Pocket Plus 4 Tabs, Today Agenda (and a few other apps.) a much better combination for me.
Hope someone can help.
Anis
Did you try a soft reset when the waiting screen pops up after a hard reset?
Why dont you just uncheck TouchFlo in Settings-Today?
Thanks for the replies.
Ideally I wouldn't want unwanted apps to install. I know it's a fast device but I like to have a clean system.
I could reset the device when it's about the install everything (don't even know how to reset) however I want to keep certain things like the Black HTC theme and a few other things.
Anis
Tried and failed - what did I do?
RacerII said:
Did you try a soft reset when the waiting screen pops up after a hard reset?
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I just tried this last night and tried at multiple stages... and no matter what it insisted on installing all the bloatware. Any idea what I might be doing incorrectly?
When you say "wait screen" - do you mean the initial WinMo v6.1 green-splash screen, or the same display with "Please wait while we [something] for first time use"? I also tried at the Home screen before the customization begins, and while it was running... all still ended up with the software being installed. :/
I've read some great posts (here and Howard Forums) about using Total Commander and entering "\Extended Rom\" but that doesnt open anything on my device. Does that area need to be unlocked?
Thanks for any tips!
I think you need a custom Rom without all of the applications. I had one on my Omnia.
hmm...
typing "\Extended_Rom\" in total commander does not work.
those registry which hide/unhide and lock/unlock extended rom are not there too.
check the wiki, nothing about extended rom or customed rom which is meant for Service Provider specific.
Or is it because the HD I am having is tied to 1 provider, but it is already SIM unlocked which can use other providers SIM.
The original rom is lag, very lag, lots of rubbish in "\windows\" directory beside M$ original files.
How are the cooked roms around in the forum?
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I think you need a custom Rom without all of the applications. I had one on my Omnia.
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+1 for this plan. I'm running a lighter custom 6.5 rom (NRG) with none of the startup ui's. I've loaded Mobile shell#3 and it works very well. Quickest combo I've found so far for snappy-ness and speed. Battery life is fine with it. Try diff light roms without the startup bloatware and you may find something that you like.
Well I did 2 hard resets to see if Manilla2D was the problem and i'm using just that and the stock sprint 6.1 ROM and all of a sudden im having a couple annoying problems and wondering if there is any fixes to them.
- When I click on a Text Message from the main screen and it brings up the threaded texting, when im using XT9 and I start typing it will type as if im holding down the letters like if I press the "as" button "?" will come up, and for me to type normal i have to go to Start>Programs>Messaging, which is really annoying lol.
- Another one is im using the TouchFlo2D Dialer, if i switch to keypad from call status the whole phone freezes up and i have to soft reset
- everytime i restart my touch i get a startkey.exe error and i just hit dont send and start up touchflo.
- last problem/bug that i can remember is that my phone is really really slow and i have nothing on it except manilla2d.
these are the steps i did to install manilla 2D idk if it will help solve my problem:
copied the "EMPTY" biotouch.exe and 3 other files I got from XDA and put them in the "Windows" folder, then used resco registry editor and disabled the cube, then installed all the cabs for Manilla2D to my "Device" not storage card, (it asked me to soft reset after some of them, but i didnt since i was going to soft reset after i finished installing them all.) then soft reseted and manilla2d works just is really laggy =(
any help would be greatly appreciated! thank you in advance =D
I had the same problem with my phone running extremely slow whenever i tried installing manila 2d on my phone through the cab installs. I flashed to a custom rom with manila 2d built in it and the problems went away. It runs extremely smooth now.
ive never flashed my phone and only way i would do it if i had someone walk me through it as im doing it=\
How did you get the 6.1 ROM? You would flash it the same way as you did that one.
i just installed it from the htc site or whatever, but for custom roms dont you have to do all that unlocking and what not?
reeno said:
i just installed it from the htc site or whatever, but for custom roms dont you have to do all that unlocking and what not?
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It's not terribly hard - in fact, the unlocking process is very similar to how you flashed the official ROM update.
Just use COKE's unlocker (just an app like the flasher) and install any custom ROM you want
this slowness has happened to me with a custom rom, i think its manilla.
it was very wierd, overall the entire OS was mega slow and un-usable as the OP said
I found what works best for me is piecing everything. I took everything from Update 19 except M2D-Beta-x.xx(Update19).cab. I installed M2D-Beta-x.xx(Update 15).cab (anything after made my device slow). I installed the latest version of Opera.
(sorry for the dots I'm just looking at them on my phonenand it's not showing all of the titles on some.)
First I ran:
HTC.home.v2.1.1005.722.directory.and.......... .cab
So From 19:
Enchasement..outlook.and.picture...... .cab
Audio Manager_2.0_1819.2129.cab
FSP, DShow, WMP, Youtube, Video Fixes.cab
Album_2.0_1818.3829.4.cab
Task_Manager_2.1 34837.5.cab
GoogleMaps_compressed.cab
HTC_Opera9.5.2392_www.cab(This is not from 19 Found it in another thread)
YouTubeQVGA1_5_1819_1531.and.mhubVO.cab
From Update 15:
M2D-Beta-0.08(Update 15).cab
Good Extras:
digital clock
Ringtone_plugin_1.00.080416.2.cab
Volume_control.cab
UI Tweaker
If you need this packaged let me know.
Great manilla2d rom
Hey guys.
If your looking for a good, fast, stable rom with manilla29 PLEASE flash this rom..............
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432487
NFSFAN has spent lots of time on this and is by far THE BEST manilla2d rom there is out there. He is constantly update bugs and getting the fixes out as soon as possible. This is the closest thing you can get to the diamond/touch pro without buying one. Any questions please feel free to ask BUT READ ALL DIRECTIONS ON FLASHING IF YOU HAVE NOT YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!
thermus said:
Hey guys.
If your looking for a good, fast, stable rom with manilla29 PLEASE flash this rom..............
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=432487
NFSFAN has spent lots of time on this and is by far THE BEST manilla2d rom there is out there. He is constantly update bugs and getting the fixes out as soon as possible. This is the closest thing you can get to the diamond/touch pro without buying one. Any questions please feel free to ask BUT READ ALL DIRECTIONS ON FLASHING IF YOU HAVE NOT YET!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have to second that.
I used to have the stock Bell 3.09.666.10 ROM, with (my last incarnation) update 21. To get all the parts of M2D running (yuotube etc) you have to install alot of patches and tweaks.
My theory has always been, if you have to add too many parts to get something to work, maybe you should start over. Google "Beech 1900D" to see how this applies to aircraft!! A custom ROM with everyhting cooked in oem style runs much better than a Frankenstien special.
It is fun trying to get everything to work though.
When I first added M2D to my device it was extremely slow. After playing around for a while I found that the page pool played a huge roll in the speed of the rom. My page pool is set at 24 and I have no problems at all. I have had no problems with NFSFAN's roms. I believe the PP is already set to 24. Hope this helps.
I hope this is ok here, I have searched a lot and my question is not directly answered (or I can not find it)
I have just had a new HD turn up, had one when they first came out but liked iPhone so much, could not stop using it, so Touch HD went back.
Just been through lots of different phones again, as at last I am finding iPhone limiting in the things I want to do. Just rejected a TP2 as it has no 3.3mm socket, and is a bit heavy, quite happy with soft keyboard now from iPhone use, so I think Touch HD will suit me fine.
OK, I really liked the TP2 feel, and software, but I also liked using SPB Mobileshell 3 on it, so I plan to use this on my HD.
Now, finally my question
I have never understood why I might want to put a custom ROM on my device. I have read all the guides, and the dummies guide, but although that helps me understand HOW to do it, not sure why I would WANT to do it?
I can understand for those people that have a horrible Orange branded one or something, but mine is standard 1.56.405.1 from HTC, unbranded.
So, I see that Custom ROM can have programs already in them, and they add features like the new TF3D on the TP2, which I liked, but since I am gonna use SPB MS3 is there any point?
Sorry if I sound like a total noob, I really am not (just flashed an Orange Samsung i8910 from and to Orange 4 times so I can follow these things), but in the case of the i8910, I could see why I would flash new ROM, to get rid of Orange crap, but here, just really confused.
Thanks in advance for any insight, if I have posted in wrong place, please point me to correct place.
Kev
I also use MS3 and have been wondering if it's worth upgrading to a new ROM as most are TFL3D.
I guess after upgrading to a new ROM that the provider details will need to be reset - but that's not a bigee as the OS looks up the details right ?
<draws up a chair>
A small list of pro's & con's below:
Pros:
- New features - A lot of new features first arrive on cooked roms like new touch flow interface from the new rhodium and topaz htc phones. Obviously most stock roms now have this, but originally they didn't. Without flashing, this wouldnt have been available.
- New manila which makes customization easier
- You can install new OSs such as windows mobile 6.5
- Various types of roms available, i.e. "lite" ROMs which have very little features and as a result are faster or "heavier" ROMs which tend to be a bit slower though gap in speed has dramatically decreased with newer versions.
- Have many features/apps already "cooked" into the ROM to save you installing them yourself after a hard reset
- Some have new drivers which improve performance.
- Some have custom interfaces
- Process isnt that hard once youve got hardspl/uspl sorted (and that gets easy after a short while too). its all run through an app on your computer with your HTC connected via activesync to your computer which is about as easy as installing a program (just click next, i agree etc.)
Con's
- Can take a bit of time to get used to the process. But once you have it becomes vry quick
- Need to use backup software as all your apps and contacts (everything on the main memory is wiped clean. Information on SD is left untouched). Recommend Sashimi, PIM Backup & SPB Backup.
If you use your HTC for more than just its basic features and want to get the most out of it, definately flash a new ROM. The performance increase is noticeable going from a stock ROM to a well cooked ROM. You'll have to use HSPL or USPL on your phone first. My mate cRaCKwHoRe has provided this excellent guide
new manila which makes customization easier, offers landscape all over, better speed all over, even under heavy stress....my absolute favourite, Start is no longer that ugly WinMo '90s look-a-like square drop down menu, it's a program launcher i can open from any tab, program, whatever, so it's oh so easy to open anything from anywhere in two very fast and smooth clicks
can't even remember does the stock have whole Facebook profile linking to Contacts profile, saving pic and birthday (which i then sync to Outlook, which syncs it to Calendar)....oh, manila calendar, the WinMo thing is just awful, i'd rather use pen and paper
the whole experience is much much prettier, more user friendly and faster at that....with every update there's less WM and more manila, which is what everyone probably wants (from HTC or generally) :/
OK, so Manila and TF3D are exactly the same thing?
So assuming this is true, all the stuff I could do on the TP2 I had would be doable on this Touch HD if I put a cooked ROM with Manila 2.5 on?
Kev
Fallen Spartan said:
A small list of pro's & con's below:
- Can take a bit of time to get used to the process. But once you have it becomes vry quick
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Thanks so much for taking the time to do that. I think I am getting.
As I ask someone else, Manila and TF3D are the same thing right?
So, this HardSpl and softSpl, I have read the guide, but am still not clear why I would use one over the other?
At first glance, it would make sense to only use Hard? Why might someone not want to do that?
Kev
huh, i use USPL because it's a small program you run, it takes about 10sec to load and you're done, ready to flash....HSPL seemed like more hassle to begin with and USPL is really easy and simple :/ somehow even if i flashed 10 times a day, i wouldn't really see a problem with just running USPL :/
manila 2.5 is leaked, not officially out on any phone, 2.1 is out on TP2....and 2.5 is bugged, probably just a fun thing to try, not really use daily and seriously....2.0 and 2.1 are your every day options, and yes, probably everything on TP2 is in some of the ROMs cooked for Touch HD
Ah, OK so USPL would be good for me as I do not intend to flash new ROM very often?
It seems HardSPL would be for people that would be flashing all the time?
I read the bit where you say you would use USPL even if flashing lots, but surely if you were, HardSPL would be better?
Ok, so forget 2.5 Manila then, (just saw a Video and thought it was common), look for ROM with 2.1?
What version do we have on stock HD?
Thanks for answering.
Kev
kevwright said:
Thanks so much for taking the time to do that. I think I am getting.
As I ask someone else, Manila and TF3D are the same thing right?
So, this HardSpl and softSpl, I have read the guide, but am still not clear why I would use one over the other?
At first glance, it would make sense to only use Hard? Why might someone not want to do that?
Kev
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HSPL is an user-modified SPL that you have to flash to your phone. It overwrites the existing SPL on your device with a "hacked" one so to say. It allows you to bypass the HTC certificate check and flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone. You only have to flash it once and then you can flash roms anytime.
USPL is a temporary solution. It takes advantage of an exploit in the existing SPL and then loads a modified one to memory, effectively allowing the same thing as HSPL. However, since this is only memory-resident you have to do it each time you want to flash unsigned or CID-mismatching roms to your phone, because this exploited state is lost upon reboot. With USPL you must still have the right version of the HTC SPL that is compatible with the rom you want to use.
Basic difference is that HSPL is permanent and voids warranty and USPL is temporary and thus doesn't void warranty. However, once you use HSPL you can flash any radio & rom any time you want, but with USPL you need to reuse it before every flash to new radio or rom.
If you put HSPL on your device you can remove it by following procedure at bottom on first post in this thread.
There are 2 versions of HSPL, 1.14 & 1.56. Make sure you use the correct version for whatever rom you intend to flash to, i.e.
HSPL 1.56 is for roms based on 1.56+
HSPL 1.14 is for roms based on pre 1.56
kevwright said:
Ah, OK so USPL would be good for me as I do not intend to flash new ROM very often?
It seems HardSPL would be for people that would be flashing all the time?
I read the bit where you say you would use USPL even if flashing lots, but surely if you were, HardSPL would be better?
Ok, so forget 2.5 Manila then, (just saw a Video and thought it was common), look for ROM with 2.1?
What version do we have on stock HD?
Thanks for answering.
Kev
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Ok, go to settings tab in TF3D and scroll down to 'About'. It should state something like TouchFLO 3D 2.1.38147.5. I highlighted the version in bold i.e. In this case its manila version 2.1
Ok, I think I need to flash a ROM, as I am finding the Touch HD a little less exciting than the TP2 I just sent back.
I liked the TP2 but it was heavy and had no 3.5mm jack, but it seemed quite a bit faster than this HD. Screen seemed much brighter as well, is that possible?
Anyway, now I have decided, I really don't have a clue what ROM to use. I have been reading this site for the last 4 hours, and am no further forward.
Kev
I'm hoping to get some answers out of this thread as well Kev - without hijacking though
If I want to keep all my current program settings and the like, is there a foolproof method by which I can restore programs from a backup on my Stock rom, onto a newly flashed cooked ROM.
I am looking for the newer features of the latest manilla but I don't want to lose any of my current data and go through the process of reinstalling the programs again.
I have pimbackup so know that will be a synch!
lol, well, Dutty 3.9XT is a huge hit, i love it and think it should be made stock, so you can go with that one....i also tried Laurentis26 latest one and it was lightning fast and smooth and is based on TP2 ROM so that's another option
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=537948
manila 2.1 can have an sms bug, not everyone has it, but even TP2 suffers from it and there's still no official HTC fix....some people can't send 2 sms in a row to a same person, i am one of them and that's why i stick to manila 2.0 :/
Wiggz said:
I'm hoping to get some answers out of this thread as well Kev - without hijacking though
I have pimbackup so know that will be a synch!
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Hijack all you want mate, we will get better answers!
I want to flash before I get it all setup, and I need to hide my iPhone away, the screen is so much brighter than this HD :-(
I keep thinking though, all my old WM devices were based on standard software and SPB Pocket Plus, and I do like the standard today screen. With this in mind, how much will I benefit from a new ROM since they all seem to be based around really good inplementation of TF3D.
Kev
kevwright said:
Hijack all you want mate, we will get better answers!
I want to flash before I get it all setup, and I need to hide my iPhone away, the screen is so much brighter than this HD :-(
I keep thinking though, all my old WM devices were based on standard software and SPB Pocket Plus, and I do like the standard today screen. With this in mind, how much will I benefit from a new ROM since they all seem to be based around really good inplementation of TF3D.
Kev
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Although a lot of roms are based around good implementation of TF3D, they are also cutomized for speed, performance & stability of phone overall. So a cooked rom should out perform a stock rom in almost all categories
Fallen Spartan said:
Although a lot of roms are based around good implementation of TF3D, they are also cutomized for speed, performance & stability of phone overall. So a cooked rom should out perform a stock rom in almost all categories
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..and what about my particular question relating to restoration of stock rom backup (programs, not rom files obviously)
Just to add my own view to this as I have had the same dilemma in the past.
I stayed with stock....basically because I have quite a few apps installed on my device, and it seems that almost every other day updates are coming out to cooked ROMs to fix bugs, and it takes half a day to reinstall my apps and set them up. if ROM updates are coming out every few days I would spend half my life updating to the new one to fix a bug and then having to reinstall my apps.
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..and what about my particular question relating to restoration of stock rom backup (programs, not rom files obviously)
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am afraid there's no way to restore programs, they have to be reinstalled since flashing is just like hard reset/clear storage, deletes everything on the device (not the storage card) :/
also, with flashing you're upgrading manila and most other programs to latest released built, so you don't wanna restore old files as they might not work with newer versions :/
i use Outlook to re-sync my contacts and calendar and Microsoft MyPhone to restore sms messages....also have opera6.adr file on my storage card which i just copy into /Windows/Opera folder to restore my bookmarks....RSS Hub i set to use Storage Card for data, then it says i already have some settings there and asks do i want to overwrite, select no and i have my old channels set
rest i do by hand, but post-flash set up takes 30min once you get used to it :/ many programs/icons/stuff require a restart after installation, one just remembers which and does them one after the other and then, after you installed taskbar, clock, icons, s2u2, such, you do one restart and it's all done in minutes
@twisted-pixel: yes, it can happen that you flash weekly to correct bugs....however i'm on the same ROM now for month and a half, did flash last week, 3 times in a day, but i was bored and wanted to try out stuff went back to the same ROM again at the end of the day
I have NRGZ28's ENERGY ROM, its worth flashing it, if for nothing else, the SPEED. My HD had all the 'Orange' crap on it and it was so slow compared to how it is now....go ahead....FLASH!! (your rom, that is)
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am afraid there's no way to restore programs, they have to be reinstalled since flashing is just like hard reset/clear storage, deletes everything on the device (not the storage card) :/
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Just to update you all on this.
Throy's latest roms have included an auto-install for apps when flashing. I've tried this and it works a charm. See quote below.
Autoinstall thanks to my Good friend Tom: [ FAST and Fantastic.]Create folder in Root of Storage Card called [ Autoinstall ]
Copy all your cabs in that folder
After Flash , and during customisations all your cab will be installed.
Also set your cabs to read only
So get Your Storage Card prepared with all your Cabs to install.
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Only drawback on this is that all apps are installed onto main menu, so if you want any apps installed on your SD Card you will have to install them manually or alternatively use Sashimi backup which also auto-installs apps etc
Hi all,
Newbie here
EX iPhone 3g user now HD user
I would like to ask, is it possible to change the People Tab on the HD to one like on the Touch Pro2 as an example.
I would prefer to have squares of faces than the flip faces that there are now.
all the best...
Any help is appreciated.
chill.
If I understand you correctly, you are referring to the difference in Contact tabs between Manila 2.1 (also known as HTC's TouchFlo 3D), and Manila 2.5 (known as HTC Sense), which will come out on the new HTC devices such as the Leo (also known as the Touch HD2).
As far as I know, the only way to use the new interface is to flash a ROM that has Manila 2.5.
I currently use Dutty's Leo R6 with WM6.5 and Manila 2.5. I really like it.
You can find it here. You'll have to register to be able to download it.
BTW - Welcome to the forum!!!!!!
Thanks Chris Cross,
This is what I am looking for.
Hope I have explained it right.
Not sure what Manilla 2.1 or 2.5 are, but thanks.
If I was to install the Dutty rom, would I loose any features ? Could I return to Original rom if I needed ?
Sorry for too many questions..
chill....
Yes, that is a picture of Manila 2.5.
Okay, I'll explain what Manila is.
Windows Mobile phones have a generic windows interface. HTC came up with their own layout and called it Manila. The more common name was TouchFlo. First was TouchFlo 2D, then came TouchFlo 3D, and now the new one is called HTC Sense (I guess they wanted to change the name now. ). In terms of your phone, you will see that the name Manila is still used (for example in registry settings etc.).
So, when you start your phone, it automatically goes into the Manila layout from HTC. In other words, the whole concept of having the slider at the bottom which takes you to the different tabs (and each of their sub-menus) etc.. is the Manila interface. Other Windows Mobile phones that are not from HTC don't have that (unless they have tried to copy the concept).
So, Manila version 2.1 (=TouchFlo 3D) had a Contacts tab with the little slider on the right, to switch between contacts (or you could flip through them too). Now, Manila 2.5 (which ships with the new HTC phones) changed that layout to look like what you are referring to - i.e. the big square pictures. You see 9 right away, and if you flip up, then 6 more appear for a total of 15. That is just one of the layout changes that are new in Manila 2.5. You will also see a new change in the Home tab, where below the clock, you now have Quick Links. They also look like squares and you can link them to a contact or a program for quick access directly from the home tab. Like I said, there are several new changes like that in Manila 2.5
I'll leave it at that for now. I need to stop for a second, but I'll come back to this same post and give you some info on flashing a new rom.
EDIT: see post below for info on flashing roms
chill today said:
.... If I was to install the Dutty rom, would I loose any features ? Could I return to Original rom if I needed ?....
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Flashing a new rom means that you will completely erase the entire drive on the phone and you will install a brand new system. So... yes, you will lose everything that is in the internal storage (but not in the SD card).
You can go back to the rom your phone came with (referred to as a "stock" rom). To do that, you would have to flash (= install) the stock rom, and once again, you would lose everything you have at that point and you would end up with your phone as it came out of the box.
There is also backup software you can buy to backup all your programs, files etc.. in case you ever flash the stock rom again and you want things the way they are today. As far as I know, you cannot (or at least - should not) use that backup file on a rom other than the one that was installed when the backup file was created.
I have had my HD for 11 months. I flashed a new rom for the first time about 2 weeks after buying my HD. I think it is totally worth it. There are a lot of rom cooks out there that do a great job at making solid, stable roms. Dutty is definitely among the most well known and respected for the quality of work he does. He tries to keep his roms as close to stock as possible, but he makes changes that improve the speed and overall user-friendliness of the rom.
You do have to keep in mind, that if you flash a new rom with Manila 2.5 and Windows Mobile 6.5, some things might not work 100% right away because those are new releases. Dutty is constantly updating his rom to fix any known issues. Whenever an update is made, you flash that updated rom - and once again it means you lose your settings. But, the benefits of having a nicer rom outweigh the cons of having to set up your phone as you like it again. Eventually, the rom becomes really stable and you can go months without needing to flash anything.
If you are interested in flashing Dutty's new rom, let me know and I can give you links that explain how to do that.
All sounds very interesting. I'll chew on this a little.
Its not like I am unhappy with the HD, but just the People tab is a little frustrating to use.
I'll have a good look over at the roms section, and if I do give it a shot, I'll be knocking
I have flashed a HTC Touch before. A bit scary doing it, but went OK in the end.
The phone was freezing up, and was out of warrenty, so nowt to lose.
If its a similar process, then not to scary after all.
thanks
chill......
Yeah, it's the same thing. It's not too scary, but you just have to make sure you read about how to do it the first time, so that you don't make big mistakes. Technically, you could turn your phone into a brick (i.e. permanently dead), but that's really only if you somehow cut power to the phone during the process (e.g. if you unplug the cord or start with a low battery). If you just follow the steps - you'll be fine, and it will take about 10 minutes of actual flashing time. Once you have done it, you realize it is no big deal.
Check out the ROM threads - especially this tutorial!!! Depending on what type of ROM you have right now, you might need to do extra steps before flashing a newer version ROM. It is all explained in that tutorial. And Dutty's latest Leo R6 ROM can be found here. You can follow any developments or bug reports and fixes etc. regarding Dutty's Leo ROM in this thread.
Also, you might want to look and see if your stock ROM is available for download (in case you later want to go back to it - but I doubt you will). You can also go back to other stock ROMs if you want.
Just ask if you have questions.
Thanks a lot.
I've only been here 5 minutes and all this help. Nice place here.
There are Lots of Roms, so would need to chose carefully. I have been trying SPB Mobile Shell, which is quite nice. Not a full replacement rom, but a nice touch.
Thanks again, I will read on.
chill.......
Seems my question has been asked before.Contacts
Any freeware versions of a program similar.
chill......
chill today said:
Seems my question has been asked before.Contacts
Any freeware versions of a program similar.
chill......
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Since I've never used one, I am not too familiar with freeware for it. But, I did find this website. Their program "Avatar" might be what you are looking for. The author also has a thread for Avatar on XDA Forums. It definitely seems worth the try.
Thanks again Chris Cross,
I will try them today, cheers for the link.
chill......
Is there anyone willing to do this?
ive had my phone since the day they started selling in the US (actually even before that , i had a UK version first and just used edge) and although ive made a million interesting modifications, there are still some pain points that i cannot rid the phone of.
1) i'm using the latest stock rom (2.13 i believe)
2) i turn off sense and use spb mobile shell
3) im using thgrafs newest text message/mms build
my issues:
1) email and text message client always freezes for at least ten seconds whenever i try to X out of it. it always closes but it is very far from immediate.
2) i keep reading about how fast and snappy others HD2's are. my phone is neither of these. it isnt terrible and the functionality is very impressive but it is in no way fast or snappy. i hate iphones but i must admit they are instantly fast and snappy. makes for a very professional feel.
3) when in the call history screen, if i tap a previous call in the hopes of instantly dialing that number, it freezes for ten seconds before dialing.
4) my visual voice mail totally doesnt work, i get weird text messages which should be vvm but the vvm never works. this happened after installing thgrafs text message client.
would a custom rom change any of this?
do i need to run sense if im on a custom rom?
can i run spb mobile shell if i flash a custom rom?
im not lal that interested in android until i can flash it to my device and completely replace winmo but id like to know if microsoft exchange is supported on any of the android builds?
thanks in advance for any feedback on this. it can be a bit frustrating,
jason
Hard Reset and then work through THIS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
then add CHT, Duncs Weatherpanel, MooNahs GPS-Tracker, netdrg 3D driver, LEOCPUSpeed and You are fine with a blazing fast HD2 ...........
in all due respect, i've done exactly that, more than once and although my phone has moments of brilliance...it just isn't living up to the hype and my hopes.
i was hoping for a cleaner step by step, not to mention something a bit more up to date.
thanks though,
jason
i believe your last questions are the most important. to be honest, i like you, have used stock roms. truth is it annoys me that often to get a better performance you need a custom rom. i like custom roms; but they should be a style change not a performance change. anyways..
would a custom rom change any of this?
--> possibly/ likely. i would think that this is a reasonable choice though to try.
do i need to run sense if im on a custom rom?
--> no. most chefs have roms that are only "titanium" builds (which is pure WM (sense is HTC's interface.) this is often best if you want to run spb.
can i run spb mobile shell if i flash a custom rom?
--> yes. see above.
im not lal that interested in android until i can flash it to my device and completely replace winmo but id like to know if microsoft exchange is supported on any of the android builds?
--> would have to check out that...but i think android in general is now supporting it, correct? if so, then android on hd2 will also. but don't know for sure.
troed said:
Hard Reset and then work through THIS:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
then add CHT, Duncs Weatherpanel, MooNahs GPS-Tracker, netdrg 3D driver, LEOCPUSpeed and You are fine with a blazing fast HD2 ...........
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Can you tell me where to find this 'netdrg 3D driver'..Searching only leads me to his ROM..Did you mean chainfire's 3D driver?
Many thanks
jason370 said:
Is there anyone willing to do this?
ive had my phone since the day they started selling in the US (actually even before that , i had a UK version first and just used edge) and although ive made a million interesting modifications, there are still some pain points that i cannot rid the phone of.
1) i'm using the latest stock rom (2.13 i believe)
2) i turn off sense and use spb mobile shell
3) im using thgrafs newest text message/mms build
my issues:
1) email and text message client always freezes for at least ten seconds whenever i try to X out of it. it always closes but it is very far from immediate.
2) i keep reading about how fast and snappy others HD2's are. my phone is neither of these. it isnt terrible and the functionality is very impressive but it is in no way fast or snappy. i hate iphones but i must admit they are instantly fast and snappy. makes for a very professional feel.
3) when in the call history screen, if i tap a previous call in the hopes of instantly dialing that number, it freezes for ten seconds before dialing.
4) my visual voice mail totally doesnt work, i get weird text messages which should be vvm but the vvm never works. this happened after installing thgrafs text message client.
would a custom rom change any of this?
do i need to run sense if im on a custom rom?
can i run spb mobile shell if i flash a custom rom?
im not lal that interested in android until i can flash it to my device and completely replace winmo but id like to know if microsoft exchange is supported on any of the android builds?
thanks in advance for any feedback on this. it can be a bit frustrating,
jason
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1. Why are you using a 3rd party messaging client? I would try uninstalling it and using the default winmo one.
2. My son's hd2 is stock with spb mobile shell and it is snappy. No problems with messaging or lag. Make sure to not keep hundreds of text messages. If you have 100's of contacts, not sure anyone can help you.
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Can a custom ROM increase performance??? Of course it will, why else would we build/flash them?
If you are happy with mobile shell (I was on my touch pro2 because I felt sense was too much of a memory hog, which it is), then sure, I would try a titanium only custom ROM.
I have used energy's titanium only and can recommend it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784
of course you will have to hspl unlock first, use hspl3, it will work for any device.
The biggest problem with the stock ROMs are that they aren't very well optimized. Sense is a memory hog. Uncompressed Sense is thousands of files and about 30-40mb in size. I think mobile shell is about 10mb.
If you are not satisfied with your hd2, might as well try a custom ROM. Might make you like your phone again. I don't run Android at all and I'm loving my phone right now.
nrfitchett4 said:
1. Why are you using a 3rd party messaging client? I would try uninstalling it and using the default winmo one.
2. My son's hd2 is stock with spb mobile shell and it is snappy. No problems with messaging or lag. Make sure to not keep hundreds of text messages. If you have 100's of contacts, not sure anyone can help you.
3. See 2
4. See 1
Can a custom ROM increase performance??? Of course it will, why else would we build/flash them?
If you are happy with mobile shell (I was on my touch pro2 because I felt sense was too much of a memory hog, which it is), then sure, I would try a titanium only custom ROM.
I have used energy's titanium only and can recommend it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784
of course you will have to hspl unlock first, use hspl3, it will work for any device.
The biggest problem with the stock ROMs are that they aren't very well optimized. Sense is a memory hog. Uncompressed Sense is thousands of files and about 30-40mb in size. I think mobile shell is about 10mb.
If you are not satisfied with your hd2, might as well try a custom ROM. Might make you like your phone again. I don't run Android at all and I'm loving my phone right now.
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1. Why are you using a 3rd party messaging client? because the default one sucks. also, thgrafs build IS the stock one, but optimized and made better. it is a clear step up from what i first used the day i bought this phone.
2. My son's hd2 is stock with spb mobile shell and it is snappy. No problems with messaging or lag. Make sure to not keep hundreds of text messages. If you have 100's of contacts, not sure anyone can help you. happy for your boy, im not so fortunate.
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fyi, i flashed a custom rom (http://www.xperia-unoff.com/htc-hd2-rom-development/), and it is night and day difference. lightning fast, zero lags. now for android...