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I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?
guney said:
I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?
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i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps
buggybug0 said:
i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps
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Thanks. Just tried it, but that's not what I'm talking about. If you haven't used another Windows Mobile device before (and Palms using graffitti used to have this too, I think), you might not have seen this, but when writing on the keyboard or letter recognizer (or block recognizer), WM pops up a menu of completion options after you type in one or a few letters (depending on your settings). For example, if you type "ob" you might get a list that contains "obese, obstruct, obvious"; and when you add a "v" to make it "obv", the list would refresh to show "obviate, obvious", etc.
What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point. It only makes sense when there is more than one letter per key, so that, when you type, say, a sequence of three keys, there is ambiguity in which combination of the multiple letters on each of those three keys you might have meant, and the device shows you options of these combinations to pick from.
Incidentally (and this may sound pedantic, but), for that same reason, I don't see any point in using the T9 setting with the full QWERTY keyboard as you suggest, since there is no such ambiguity and the option that you'll see suggested is precisely what you've typed anyway.
If you've seen the other kind of completion options (i.e., "complete words for partial typing") let me know...
guney said:
What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point.
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I'm sorry. I noticed that what I typed above wasn't correct.
I wasn't seeing full word completion suggestions in response to partially typed in words in T9 mode because I had the "word completion in T9 mode" option under "T9 Settings" disabled. Enabling it does provide full word completion suggestions after typing only a couple of keys. I stand corrected.
On the other hand, that's still not what I'm looking for, because that only provides a couple of options displayed horizontally on one line. You can't fit many word options onto that line. (At least not the longer ones.) I'd like to see the standard Windows Mobile behavior of popping up a menu of vertically stacked completion options where you may be presented with up to four selections of any length (sometimes including even multi-word completion options). The HTC-specific input methods with their own peculiar completion behavior are fine by me, but I don't understand why I don't still have the default Windows Mobile completion behavior when I switch to one of the standard Windows Mobile input methods!
Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...
guney said:
Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
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Scratch that... I've seen this work now too. I suppose it was a little stubborn, or needed a close-and-reopen of the keyboard first...
In any case, my original issue still stands: I'm looking for the "plain old" Windows Mobile word completion suggestion pop-up when using letter recognizer or the standard keyboard, with the vertical list, which fits more options of longer words.
If anyone knows of its whereabouts, please chime in!
guney said:
A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...
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I was about to start a post just like yours..I've enabled word completion but I don't see anything. Also, when I open the tool Dictionary Editor I don't see any suggested words at all. And when I add one or two of my own, it still don't work. There must be someone who knows more about this issue ???
bump...this would be helpful
also, does anyone know how to make it so T9 starts suggesting words after typing only 1 letter?
Copied from the Diamond Forum ...
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IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
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... this should fix the problem. Kudos to beemerTPPC.
Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!
The above solution enables me to have the Word Completion popup witth the following keyboards: 'keyboard' and 'block recognizer' and 'letter recognizer'.
It is not supported with the 'Full QWERTY' (my main keyboard).It removed the T9 completion that was there (and was not adequet). Now I cannnot use both ABC and T9 modes.
Is there a way to have both the T9 and the word complete popup, or at least the latter (the ppopup word complete) when in ABC mode on the 'Full QWERTY' keybord?
Please advice
Thanks
gadgetuk437 said:
Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!
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I am in the same boat as you
How are you going with this Monkey of a problem?
Ive tried everything.
Please reply
Run HD Tweak
20. Keyboard (SIP)
20.2 T9 Mode
set it to Disabled
Soft reset
HTH
I have a question for those of you (if any) who are using the letter recognizer, the block recognizer, or the original Windows Mobile keyboard as your input method on the Touch HD: Do you get word completion pop-ups?
I'm a long-time WM user (the Touch HD is my fifth WM device) and the letter recognizer is my preferred method of input and one of the reasons I like it is the convenience of not having to type entire long words most of the time, with the ability to simply pick from the completion suggestions pop-up instead. However, I get no completion pop-up on the Touch HD when I use the letter recognizer. The same is true for the block recognizer and the WM keyboard as well. Am I alone in experiencing this? Am I alone in being annoyed by this? What gives?...
I use the Letter Recognizer and find it faster than any of the keyboard. Make sure you enable T9 in the default keyboard and word completion will be available. I thought I lost it too when I accidentally disabled T9.
Thanks for your response. This tells me that something might be wrong on my device, because I get no word completion pop-ups even when I do that.
Here are all of my current settings related to this:
On the Full QWERTY keyboard, the "ABC <-> T9" slider is set to T9.
On the Compact QWERTY keyboard, the "ABC <-> T9" slider is set to T9.
Under "Touch Input Settings", "Word Completion in T9 mode" is selected, "Word Completion in ABC mode" is selected, "Auto-Substitution" is deselected, "Spell Correction" is deselected.
Under the input "Options" (the original WM input options), on the "Word Completion" tab, "Suggest words when entering text" is selected. (The "Suggest after entering" setting is "2 letters", the "Suggest" setting is "4 words", and "Add a space after word" is deselected.) And "Enable Auto Correct" is deselected.
Still no word completion suggestion pop-ups...
I have no idea what could be wrong!
If there's anyone out there with additional insight into this, your feedback would be appreciated. You might be my only hope.
It's odd, I set mine to the "phone keypad" and now it wont go back to any of the others, I've tried them all, selected them, go back in and *poof* it's gone back to a standard phone layout. Turning it on and off failed to fix this so I'm presuming I'm going to have to reset
I have the same problem here too.
What keyboards do you have installed? I have the SPB Keyboard, reckon that might affect things??
All my settings are the same as above...and HD Tweak says T9 and word completion are on. T9 and word completion wwork fine on the keyboards but not the letter/block recogniser.
I don't have any third party keyboard installed (if I don't count the HTC stuff that came with the phone). I do have a bunch of other software installed, on the other hand. But, I don't think any of those have anything to do with input methods (although, it's hard to discount "unintended consequences"...).
I must add that suggestions don't work for me on the Windows Mobile default keyboard either. (I'm not sure if you implied that it works on yours.)
So, my exact situation is as follows:
HTC Full QWERTY keyboard:
Suggestions displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
HTC Compact QWERTY keyboard:
Suggestions displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
HTC Phone keypad:
Suggestions (surprisingly) displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
Windows default keyboard:
No suggestions
Letter recognizer:
No suggestions
Block recognizer:
No suggestions
Suggestions aren't applicable to the Transcriber, naturally.
Perhaps I should have tried this much sooner, but it just occurred to me to try a wider Google search on this topic, and I came across another thread on this site that seems like it might contain the solution(s):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441656&highlight=word+completion
I'm at work right now, so I can't try it right away, but I'll surely do it as soon as I get home. If anyone else with this problem is willing to try that before me, please let us know about the result.
gadgetuk437 said:
I have the same problem here too.
What keyboards do you have installed? I have the SPB Keyboard, reckon that might affect things??
All my settings are the same as above...and HD Tweak says T9 and word completion are on. T9 and word completion wwork fine on the keyboards but not the letter/block recogniser.
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I use the phone keypad on mine and it was fine up until yesterday.
The only thing it gives now is numbers! every other method of text input appears to be ok
Strange, I have had no issues with word complete as long as T9 is selected in the default HTC Full QWERTY keyboard or any of the HTC keyboard. Had this issue with my Omnia in the past where if T9 is activated, the Word Complete pop-up won't work and I had to do a registry tweak to enable word complete, after which T9 is disabled in the other keyboards.
One questoin from a newbie -
i have a problem that I can not menege to use Letter Recognizer.
In settings for inpust I select Letter Recognizer. And confirm.
But always I get keybord. If I open settings again the Full Querty is chosen.
thanx
sorry - I've read the f... manual
I was to lazy
xmaspast said:
I use the phone keypad on mine and it was fine up until yesterday.
The only thing it gives now is numbers! every other method of text input appears to be ok
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I had a similar problem on my rom (German) after setting T9 to enabled in HD Tweak. Setting T9 in the keyboard settings is fine but you might wanna try to deactivate it in HD Tweak if you enabled it there before.
should it only work when T9 is on ? Or should it also be on when you use ABC?
Cause I would like to have it on when I enabled ABC
I use the letter recogniser about 50% of the time.. I find it slightly quicker than the keyboard on WM.. However as a long time user of UIQ... SE P800/900/990/1 I wish there was something similar to the letter recogniser available on those?? Any one know? It was so logical.. Use the lower half of the screen for letters, top for numbers, and straddle the middle for capitals.. Not like WM where you are restricted to a small box at the bottom.
anyone know if you can get this for WM6.1?
Well, I'm happy to report that the solution explained in the post at the following URL has done what I was trying to achieve (post #8 on that thread):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2630663&postcount=8
This brings back the word completion pop-up lists on the standard Windows Mobile input methods. It does eliminate the HTC word completion on the HTC input methods, though (including T9, which makes the Compact QWERTY useless for typing words). But, if you're not interested in those input methods and all you want is to be able to use the Letter Recognizer, Block Recognizer, or WM keyboard with word completion, this may be your solution. (Naturally, try it at your own risk...)
memko123 said:
sorry - I've read the f... manual
I was to lazy
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How exactly did you get the Letter Recogniser to work? I used to have it in the OEM ROM but my Enable_recognisers.cab doesn't seem to work on Dutty's 2.1 xtreme ROM.... or is it me??
When I was still using xt9 on my Touch Dual (which was using Touch Input 1.0), there was an option to use a feature called "Next word prediction".
I just noticed recently that this feature was taken out in the Touch HD ROM's (which uses HTC Touch Input 2.0).
Does anyone know why this was taken out, and if there is a way to turn it back on (without having to install a 3rd party keyboard app)?
bumping up this message -- anyone with an answer?
Hi Vince_b
I have a touch HD and this is working on mine.
To check if you have it on yours or to switch it on, open a new text message, open the input method by touching the up arrow and then select the Touch input settings tab. In there make sure "Word completion in T9 Mode" is selected.
When you then type it should show the word completion bar above the keyboard type you are using. I use Finger keyboard2 (do a search on this site) with mine and the word completion switched on...works a treat.
Hope that helps you out
tims31 said:
Hi Vince_b
I have a touch HD and this is working on mine.
To check if you have it on yours or to switch it on, open a new text message, open the input method by touching the up arrow and then select the Touch input settings tab. In there make sure "Word completion in T9 Mode" is selected.
When you then type it should show the word completion bar above the keyboard type you are using. I use Finger keyboard2 (do a search on this site) with mine and the word completion switched on...works a treat.
Hope that helps you out
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Thanks tims31 for the response. Although, I am referring specifically to the "next word prediction" feature rather than the "word completion" one.
Word completion (suggesting the current word based on what letters are currently typing) works on me, but next word prediction (suggesting the next word after you are done typing your current one) does not...
Sorry about that, mis-understood what you wanted.
Have never seen next word prediction on the HD. Will watch this thread with interest just in case you do find out.
HI,
I know the HD2 has predictive text, but does it have auto-corrective text, ie if you're typing and hit the wrong key, does the HD2 recognise what you were meant to type and automatically correct it?
Cheers
Hi,I don't think so , predictive text show only different words that all . If you type a wrong letter,the word will be different .
It's an option:
>Settings >Locale & Text > Text input > Spell correction
Stephen
Yes, it does have predictive text to a certain extent. If you hit incorrect keys next to correct keys it's still able to determine the word you intended to type.
While we're here, has anyone managed to call up the 'compact qwerty' keyboard as shown on page 116 of the .pdf manual?
spell correction is selected on my HD2 but it you type a wrong letter , the word you want first doesn't appear in the list .
I'm really enjoying the updated android keyboard and don't think I'm going to install swype on this phone.
What I do not understand is how I can quickly add new words to the dictionary.
I know I can go into the "language and input" settings to add words, but yesterday I manually typed a word that was not in the dictionary and it asked me if I wanted to add it. What did I do different to get it to ask me to add a word to the dictionary? This will be a real time saver in the first weeks of using this device.
rumpleforeskin said:
I'm really enjoying the updated android keyboard and don't think I'm going to install swype on this phone.
What I do not understand is how I can quickly add new words to the dictionary.
I know I can go into the "language and input" settings to add words, but yesterday I manually typed a word that was not in the dictionary and it asked me if I wanted to add it. What did I do different to get it to ask me to add a word to the dictionary? This will be a real time saver in the first weeks of using this device.
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Type the word, it will appear in the middle of the suggestion bar (correctly recognized words will appear either side), tap on the word in the suggestion bar.
jakejm79 said:
Type the word, it will appear in the middle of the suggestion bar (correctly recognized words will appear either side), tap on the word in the suggestion bar.
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That's how I suspect it should work, though it only occasionally gives me the "tap word again to add to dictionary" option.
Though I'm noticing a pattern to words it will not add, such as expletives or words with less than 4 letters