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Would someone please tell me how to get rid of this new autocomplete, it's really slowing me down...I already tried turning off Word Completion in Settings -> Input.
I haven't seen that type of auto-complete before, but it looks rather good. What SIP are you using? Is it a new function in the latest ROM's or have you added a third party SIP?
Came with my Sprint Touch. It shows up whenever I use the built in block recognizer. Normally I wouldn't mind since it can be helpful for those really long words, but this one really really slows down my Touch and causes my strokes to be recognized incorrectly
Seemed to have figured it out, I just had to disable the Wordcompletion keys under HKLM\Software\Tegic
grahamkdt said:
I haven't seen that type of auto-complete before, but it looks rather good. What SIP are you using? Is it a new function in the latest ROM's or have you added a third party SIP?
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It also looks like this is provided by the new fullscreen keyboard SIP added to the Sprint Touch
comes in the new rom.. i cant find anyway to off it too..
I installed the new Touch Keyboard and Touch Keypad found in these pages (somewhere ?? sorry not sure...) and this now appears on the default keyboard.
Totally agree: it sucks big time. I couldn't find a way to turn it off also, so I eventually flash a rom without it
hi EliteXen,
could you be more specific which reg key under
HKLM\Software\Tegic
you changed to disable the autocomplete? thanks.
To turn off the XT9 autocomplete for non-Touch keyboards:
Go to HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\ and change the key "XT9SupportMSSip" from value "1" to "0"
However, to turn it off within a Touch keyboard I think you need to go to "Options" for the keyboard --> XT9 Settings --> uncheck everything...
Can't use "Word Completion" on the Touch?? (Only XT9??)
Turned off XT9 as above but apparently the normal Windows Mobile "Word Completion" doesn't work??
Is it possible to use the normal "Word Completion" or is that functionality not included since they included XT9?
(I actually think XT9 does better prediction that "Word Completion" but XT9 prevents various 3rd-party keyboards/SIPs from working ...)
Here's some info: installed the dictionary editor from http://www.freewarepocketpc.net/ppc-download-word-completion-dictionary-editor-v1-3-2342-39581.html and it showed no entries in the system. Added a couple entries and saved them to the main dictionary so there are entries now, but they still aren't popping up as suggestions
What would be really great is if XT9 can be enabled and NOT interfere with 3rd-party SIPs. (For me, it prevents the "macros" function in MessagEase from working...) Otherwise, would love to be able to re-enable the Windows Mobile "Word Completion" if anyone knows how...
One of my problems (mostly) fixed
Apparently I'll just be sitting around posting repeatedly to this thread all day
Okay, here's something that can help if you are having trouble with XT9 interfering with a 3rd party SIP but you want to KEEP XT9's autocompletion rather than have no autocompletion at all...
The below fix made it possible for MessagEase macros to work along with XT9 being activated, although it looks a bit funky when MessagEase macros are being expanded (as the macro is being typed by MessagEase, XT9 is trapping every character and making new guesses, and then it remembers the macro as a new "autocomplete" phrase).
So here's how to make MessagEase and XT9 work together:
1) DON'T do the registry change described earlier (HKLM\SOFTWARE\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip) --> if that entry was already changed to 0, change it back to 1 because we want it active again...and if you make a registry change then you'll have to turn the device off/back on and reboot as usual)
2) from the keyboard selector (the up arrow on lower right of screen), select "Options"-->then select "Touch Keyboard" and tap "Options" button
3) click "XT9 Settings" button --> uncheck everything EXCEPT "Word Completion"
4) click "Ok" a bunch of times
Now MessagEase macros work although XT9 is try to trap every character MessagEase is writing...
[[One note: I *love* MessagEase but haven't used the macros in a long time as there was a bug that started happening due to the "macros" function (I called it Mad WM5 Syndrome: everything started going crazy and you had to reboot). So Exideas made a MessagEase "Lite" version without macro functionality that is very stable...They tried to fix the non-"Lite" version but the last one I tried (long ago) still caused the problem on a PPC-6700...So now I'm trying the non-"Lite" version again, hoping the macro function will work without causing "Mad WM5 Syndrome"...I will post back if the mad syndrome returns!]]
Aaron
Well unfortunately I don't have much to add, but since you're the only one posting on this thread I thought I'd echo your desires for the standard windows word completion. I like to use the keypad at times and xt9 works just fine for that, but when I'm using my hardware keyboard I'm unable to get word completion back. I miss it!
GOod job with the work-around mentioned in your last post. I think I'd prefer the normal word completion to xt9's though, so hopefully someone can figure out a way to to limit xt9's "influence" to only those times that you're using the touch keypads.
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So now I'm trying the non-"Lite" version again, hoping the macro function will work without causing "Mad WM5 Syndrome"...I will post back if the mad syndrome returns!]]
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Unfortunately, "Mad WM5 Syndrome" has become "Mad WM6 Syndrome" with the non-LITE version of MessagEase on my HTC Touch. So I'm back to using the LITE version of MessagEase without macros However, it's great using MessagEase on the Touch because you can slide right off the keyboard as there's no "ledge" between the screen and the rest of the device
I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?
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I've become the proud owner of a Touch HD just yesterday. The thing I find oddest about it so far is that I don't get any word completion pop-ups as I enter text. I'm not talking about just the HTC-specific input methods either; it doesn't happen even when I use the Letter Recognizer or the standard Windows Mobile keyboard.
I've turned on all options I could find that looked remotely related to this, and I have yet to see a single word completion pop-up since I got this device. Am I missing something or are those pop-ups not available on this device for some reason?
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i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps
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i can't speak for all methods, but i always use HTC's FULL QWERTY, you just need to "flick the switch" from "ABC" to "T9", this switch is somewhere to the left of the space bar. hope that helps
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Thanks. Just tried it, but that's not what I'm talking about. If you haven't used another Windows Mobile device before (and Palms using graffitti used to have this too, I think), you might not have seen this, but when writing on the keyboard or letter recognizer (or block recognizer), WM pops up a menu of completion options after you type in one or a few letters (depending on your settings). For example, if you type "ob" you might get a list that contains "obese, obstruct, obvious"; and when you add a "v" to make it "obv", the list would refresh to show "obviate, obvious", etc.
What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point. It only makes sense when there is more than one letter per key, so that, when you type, say, a sequence of three keys, there is ambiguity in which combination of the multiple letters on each of those three keys you might have meant, and the device shows you options of these combinations to pick from.
Incidentally (and this may sound pedantic, but), for that same reason, I don't see any point in using the T9 setting with the full QWERTY keyboard as you suggest, since there is no such ambiguity and the option that you'll see suggested is precisely what you've typed anyway.
If you've seen the other kind of completion options (i.e., "complete words for partial typing") let me know...
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What you've described to me is just the T9 guessing mechanism, which always suggests options with the same number of letters as the number of keys you've typed to that point.
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I'm sorry. I noticed that what I typed above wasn't correct.
I wasn't seeing full word completion suggestions in response to partially typed in words in T9 mode because I had the "word completion in T9 mode" option under "T9 Settings" disabled. Enabling it does provide full word completion suggestions after typing only a couple of keys. I stand corrected.
On the other hand, that's still not what I'm looking for, because that only provides a couple of options displayed horizontally on one line. You can't fit many word options onto that line. (At least not the longer ones.) I'd like to see the standard Windows Mobile behavior of popping up a menu of vertically stacked completion options where you may be presented with up to four selections of any length (sometimes including even multi-word completion options). The HTC-specific input methods with their own peculiar completion behavior are fine by me, but I don't understand why I don't still have the default Windows Mobile completion behavior when I switch to one of the standard Windows Mobile input methods!
Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...
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Actually, even the HTC-specific input behavior is a little screwy. There's also a "word completion in ABC mode" option under T9 Settings, but even when I enable that, I get no word completion options after switching to ABC mode in the compact QWERTY or full QWERTY input methods...
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Scratch that... I've seen this work now too. I suppose it was a little stubborn, or needed a close-and-reopen of the keyboard first...
In any case, my original issue still stands: I'm looking for the "plain old" Windows Mobile word completion suggestion pop-up when using letter recognizer or the standard keyboard, with the vertical list, which fits more options of longer words.
If anyone knows of its whereabouts, please chime in!
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A few things definitely seem wrong with word completion behavior on the Touch HD. I just hope someone here might have enough insight into the matter to know of a fix or workaround...
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I was about to start a post just like yours..I've enabled word completion but I don't see anything. Also, when I open the tool Dictionary Editor I don't see any suggested words at all. And when I add one or two of my own, it still don't work. There must be someone who knows more about this issue ???
bump...this would be helpful
also, does anyone know how to make it so T9 starts suggesting words after typing only 1 letter?
Copied from the Diamond Forum ...
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IMPORTANT: previously be sure that HKLM\Software\Tegic\eT9\XT9SupportMSSip has a value of 0.
Simply change these two registry keys under:
HKLM\system\currentcontrolset\control\layouts\e 0010409
Ime File : \windows\xt9ime.dll change to Ime File :\windows\compime.dll
and
Layout Text : XT9 IME change to Layout Text : COMP IME
And soft reset.
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... this should fix the problem. Kudos to beemerTPPC.
Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!
The above solution enables me to have the Word Completion popup witth the following keyboards: 'keyboard' and 'block recognizer' and 'letter recognizer'.
It is not supported with the 'Full QWERTY' (my main keyboard).It removed the T9 completion that was there (and was not adequet). Now I cannnot use both ABC and T9 modes.
Is there a way to have both the T9 and the word complete popup, or at least the latter (the ppopup word complete) when in ABC mode on the 'Full QWERTY' keybord?
Please advice
Thanks
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Gave to above a go, but found those settings were already there!
But strangely, after a couple of soft off/ons the letter recogniser, block recogniser, standard keyboard and SPB keyboard all have word completion.
The HTC offerings are weirdly different;
The full qwerty only offers word completion when you type the first three letters of a word then hit backspace to delete the last character typed. The same happens with the compact qwerty and phone keypad, but rather madly they will not let me type letters at all... only numbers... very odd!
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I am in the same boat as you
How are you going with this Monkey of a problem?
Ive tried everything.
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Run HD Tweak
20. Keyboard (SIP)
20.2 T9 Mode
set it to Disabled
Soft reset
HTH
I have a question for those of you (if any) who are using the letter recognizer, the block recognizer, or the original Windows Mobile keyboard as your input method on the Touch HD: Do you get word completion pop-ups?
I'm a long-time WM user (the Touch HD is my fifth WM device) and the letter recognizer is my preferred method of input and one of the reasons I like it is the convenience of not having to type entire long words most of the time, with the ability to simply pick from the completion suggestions pop-up instead. However, I get no completion pop-up on the Touch HD when I use the letter recognizer. The same is true for the block recognizer and the WM keyboard as well. Am I alone in experiencing this? Am I alone in being annoyed by this? What gives?...
I use the Letter Recognizer and find it faster than any of the keyboard. Make sure you enable T9 in the default keyboard and word completion will be available. I thought I lost it too when I accidentally disabled T9.
Thanks for your response. This tells me that something might be wrong on my device, because I get no word completion pop-ups even when I do that.
Here are all of my current settings related to this:
On the Full QWERTY keyboard, the "ABC <-> T9" slider is set to T9.
On the Compact QWERTY keyboard, the "ABC <-> T9" slider is set to T9.
Under "Touch Input Settings", "Word Completion in T9 mode" is selected, "Word Completion in ABC mode" is selected, "Auto-Substitution" is deselected, "Spell Correction" is deselected.
Under the input "Options" (the original WM input options), on the "Word Completion" tab, "Suggest words when entering text" is selected. (The "Suggest after entering" setting is "2 letters", the "Suggest" setting is "4 words", and "Add a space after word" is deselected.) And "Enable Auto Correct" is deselected.
Still no word completion suggestion pop-ups...
I have no idea what could be wrong!
If there's anyone out there with additional insight into this, your feedback would be appreciated. You might be my only hope.
It's odd, I set mine to the "phone keypad" and now it wont go back to any of the others, I've tried them all, selected them, go back in and *poof* it's gone back to a standard phone layout. Turning it on and off failed to fix this so I'm presuming I'm going to have to reset
I have the same problem here too.
What keyboards do you have installed? I have the SPB Keyboard, reckon that might affect things??
All my settings are the same as above...and HD Tweak says T9 and word completion are on. T9 and word completion wwork fine on the keyboards but not the letter/block recogniser.
I don't have any third party keyboard installed (if I don't count the HTC stuff that came with the phone). I do have a bunch of other software installed, on the other hand. But, I don't think any of those have anything to do with input methods (although, it's hard to discount "unintended consequences"...).
I must add that suggestions don't work for me on the Windows Mobile default keyboard either. (I'm not sure if you implied that it works on yours.)
So, my exact situation is as follows:
HTC Full QWERTY keyboard:
Suggestions displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
HTC Compact QWERTY keyboard:
Suggestions displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
HTC Phone keypad:
Suggestions (surprisingly) displayed horizontally listed (i.e., HTC-proprietary)
Windows default keyboard:
No suggestions
Letter recognizer:
No suggestions
Block recognizer:
No suggestions
Suggestions aren't applicable to the Transcriber, naturally.
Perhaps I should have tried this much sooner, but it just occurred to me to try a wider Google search on this topic, and I came across another thread on this site that seems like it might contain the solution(s):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441656&highlight=word+completion
I'm at work right now, so I can't try it right away, but I'll surely do it as soon as I get home. If anyone else with this problem is willing to try that before me, please let us know about the result.
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I have the same problem here too.
What keyboards do you have installed? I have the SPB Keyboard, reckon that might affect things??
All my settings are the same as above...and HD Tweak says T9 and word completion are on. T9 and word completion wwork fine on the keyboards but not the letter/block recogniser.
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I use the phone keypad on mine and it was fine up until yesterday.
The only thing it gives now is numbers! every other method of text input appears to be ok
Strange, I have had no issues with word complete as long as T9 is selected in the default HTC Full QWERTY keyboard or any of the HTC keyboard. Had this issue with my Omnia in the past where if T9 is activated, the Word Complete pop-up won't work and I had to do a registry tweak to enable word complete, after which T9 is disabled in the other keyboards.
One questoin from a newbie -
i have a problem that I can not menege to use Letter Recognizer.
In settings for inpust I select Letter Recognizer. And confirm.
But always I get keybord. If I open settings again the Full Querty is chosen.
thanx
sorry - I've read the f... manual
I was to lazy
xmaspast said:
I use the phone keypad on mine and it was fine up until yesterday.
The only thing it gives now is numbers! every other method of text input appears to be ok
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I had a similar problem on my rom (German) after setting T9 to enabled in HD Tweak. Setting T9 in the keyboard settings is fine but you might wanna try to deactivate it in HD Tweak if you enabled it there before.
should it only work when T9 is on ? Or should it also be on when you use ABC?
Cause I would like to have it on when I enabled ABC
I use the letter recogniser about 50% of the time.. I find it slightly quicker than the keyboard on WM.. However as a long time user of UIQ... SE P800/900/990/1 I wish there was something similar to the letter recogniser available on those?? Any one know? It was so logical.. Use the lower half of the screen for letters, top for numbers, and straddle the middle for capitals.. Not like WM where you are restricted to a small box at the bottom.
anyone know if you can get this for WM6.1?
Well, I'm happy to report that the solution explained in the post at the following URL has done what I was trying to achieve (post #8 on that thread):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2630663&postcount=8
This brings back the word completion pop-up lists on the standard Windows Mobile input methods. It does eliminate the HTC word completion on the HTC input methods, though (including T9, which makes the Compact QWERTY useless for typing words). But, if you're not interested in those input methods and all you want is to be able to use the Letter Recognizer, Block Recognizer, or WM keyboard with word completion, this may be your solution. (Naturally, try it at your own risk...)
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sorry - I've read the f... manual
I was to lazy
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How exactly did you get the Letter Recogniser to work? I used to have it in the OEM ROM but my Enable_recognisers.cab doesn't seem to work on Dutty's 2.1 xtreme ROM.... or is it me??
Monday, 21 June 2010
Dear Forum Members, could anybody advise me wether or not the ABC Word Prediction setting is indeed completes and/or suggests words?
The way I understood till now that it supposed to do it. However, on my HD2 although the settings seem to be OK, it refuses to do anything at all. In the TX9 setting prediction works, but it is all wrong. TX9 suggests words that their spelling differs from the actual word that I started. Completely useless.
There is no ABC word prediction. ABC is just free typing, without prediction. It sounds like there might be something wrong with your XT9 prediction, because mine works perfectly.
There is a sort of predictive abc text in the HD2
My HD2 does have a sort of abc predictive text and it is a pain as there seems no way to turn it off. I have turned off spell correction and abc word completion in settings but the HD2 still puts words up as I type. It also insists on giving me a choice of words and has a habit of capitalising the first letter of a word if I leave-off typing a word to go back and correct something in text that I have already typed!
If anyone knows a registry entry to turn word completion off completely and keep it off I would be ecstatic.
I'm not sure if I understood your problem. Anyway ABC word complete should work fine...
Do you have the problem described here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=6284737&postcount=8501 ?
Completion options not working
I thought that I had ABC word completion at one point, but I don't now. In addition, the keyboard options appear not to be working at all.
Start with the on-screen keyboard in "ABC" mode. No word completion.
Switch to "XT9" mode - word completion is active.
Open "Text Input Settings" dialog. Spell correction, XT9 completion and ABC completion are all "on".
Turn XT9 completion off, and close dialog.
Word completion is still off for "ABC" and still on for "XT9" -- the option settings have not had any affect on behavior.
I've tried the above steps with soft-resets between changes, too -- it's impossible to turn off completion for XT9 just as much as it's impossible to turn it on for ABC entry.
Very frustrating.
ABC word completion works fine for me. I turn off XT9.
To make sure I use 3 reg edits.
Go to HKLM/Softwares/Tegic/eT9/IsSupportMSSIPContact
Change the Dword from 1 to 0.
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts\e001 0409\Ime File
Change it to read as compime.dll
HKLM\System\CurrentControlSet\Control\Layouts\e001 0409\Layout Text
Change to COMP IME
I'm really enjoying the updated android keyboard and don't think I'm going to install swype on this phone.
What I do not understand is how I can quickly add new words to the dictionary.
I know I can go into the "language and input" settings to add words, but yesterday I manually typed a word that was not in the dictionary and it asked me if I wanted to add it. What did I do different to get it to ask me to add a word to the dictionary? This will be a real time saver in the first weeks of using this device.
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I'm really enjoying the updated android keyboard and don't think I'm going to install swype on this phone.
What I do not understand is how I can quickly add new words to the dictionary.
I know I can go into the "language and input" settings to add words, but yesterday I manually typed a word that was not in the dictionary and it asked me if I wanted to add it. What did I do different to get it to ask me to add a word to the dictionary? This will be a real time saver in the first weeks of using this device.
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Type the word, it will appear in the middle of the suggestion bar (correctly recognized words will appear either side), tap on the word in the suggestion bar.
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Type the word, it will appear in the middle of the suggestion bar (correctly recognized words will appear either side), tap on the word in the suggestion bar.
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That's how I suspect it should work, though it only occasionally gives me the "tap word again to add to dictionary" option.
Though I'm noticing a pattern to words it will not add, such as expletives or words with less than 4 letters