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its been posted before, but i wanted to clarify, so dont yell at me... (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=325973)
I dont suscribe to data, but want to use wi fi. so if i use that no data thing, is it possible?
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aurash
at times i would just airplane mode at times and just use wifi, even for calls. So yeah you can do that...
so wifi on the verizon mogul is free and nothing will be charged to me for using it. (I dont have the data plan)
encephalon9986 said:
so wifi on the verizon mogul is free and nothing will be charged to me for using it. (I dont have the data plan)
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If you don't have a data block, you run the risk of of connecting to EvDo and getting charged 'pay as you go'.
But then there was a change to the data plan about a month ago and I hear it is now nearly impossible to NOT have a real data plan.
Originally Posted by worwig
If you don't have a data block, you run the risk of of connecting to EvDo and getting charged 'pay as you go'.
But then there was a change to the data plan about a month ago and I hear it is now nearly impossible to NOT have a real data plan.
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yeah thats what ive heard. It seems like if you want a ppc or smartphone that your have to get the data package to even get the phone. thanks for the quick response.
This is something I banged out for a couple of Sprint users, but it covers the basics of what you have to do for other carriers as well:
http://www.sprintusers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=180141
I just switched from Qwest to Verizon and got upgraded to the 6800 from the 6700. To get around the data plan you can use the pay as you go just change the dial up number to anything but #777 and you never connect to the network and don't get charged.
I dont have a data plan either. I use the wifi all the time. the main reason I got this phone was for the wifi capability. I am curious how to use it uner flight mode because it never lets me..
Completely disable 3g data connections forever, and still use wifi
This is my first contribution to xda-forums! I'm glad I can help at all when I've benefitted so much... Thanks to all!
NOTE: After the following steps, Modaco's Nodata doesn't even register that a data connection exists! For this reason, if you occasionally use 3g, you probably will want to use Nodata, and NOT the following solution. You just might have to open Nodata and disable the data connection every time you soft-reset.
I was finally able to completely 100% block the 3g data connection on my Verizon XV6800 (aka Mogul aka Titan) was the following three steps:
1. The key culprit is HTC_CM_Guardian.exe in the windows directory. I couldn't edit it or delete it via Total Commander file explorer, but I was able to rename it! This makes the OS unable to find the program when it tries to re-set the Data connection settings.
2. Under Settings > Connections > Connections > Advanced > "Select which networks are automatically used," hit "Select Networks."
3. Under "Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using:" hit "New...".
4. Enter any name you want (mine's "nodata!") and leave all the other settings blank.
5. To be safe, you may have to delete the Verizon Or "Internet" Connection on the Tasks Tab of Settings > Connections > Connections. Save and exit.
Voila! Wifi, yes; 3g, no! No more nasty billing surprises.
Modaco's Nodata program is awesome, but the problem was that HTC_CM_Guardian.exe re-enabled the data connection every time I reset the phone. Plus, HTC_CM_Guardian.exe would also thwart any effort to block data via the "Connection Settings." By renaming HTC_CM_Guardian.exe and creating a "nodata!" connection that programs auto-connecting to the internet would try to use (and fail), we get three results:
1. Modaco's Nodata doesn't even register that a data connection exists! For this reason, if you occasionally use 3g, you probably won't to use this solution.
2. When you reboot, the OS is unable to mess-up your "Connection Settings", so
3. Unless you have an active wifi connection, programs will try to connect to the Internet using the "nodata!" settings, which, being empty, will fail, exactly as planned.
Hope it helps.
simple solution
It's a lot easier to check the "use dialing rules" box. I had a HTC Touch that I used this on and when I lost that, went to a Mogul. I love the wifi on it! I worked as a ATS rep for Sprint for 5 years and half the time when a windows phone would not connect to vision, it was the checked dialing rules box or a wrong number like the customer's own number instead of the dialing string. I tried just deleting the dialing string but even a soft reset caused the phone to recreate the #777 as well as the phone as modem #777. I hated the phone connecting on it's own, bumping the wrong button in my pocket, and I know this will work every time. EVDO data transfer charges without a plan will cap at $75 now but still why take the chance? If you absolutely have to get on the web and there's no wifi around, break down, call *2 and add a $15 vision plan, do what you need to like find a location with Live search then cancel it the next day. The plan will be prorated from when you added it to when it was cancelled. The only hitch is you have to allow your device to IOTA successfully while in a Sprint service area once to get the data settings in the phone which entails the data transfer again. Ahhh, I'm liking the wifi more and more......
HTC 6800 wm 6.1
HTC 6900 wm 6.1
Philips VELO win ce 1.0
My D2 will automatically disconnect the wifi connection when it goes in standby. My old cruise would always keep the connection alive, so that it would be available immediately after turning it on. Is there a fix for this?
A google search reveals!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/archive/index.php/t-368241.html
Edit: although that worked on my XDA Orbit 2 (Touch cruise / polaris) it dont seem to work on my Diamond 2
I found this key in the registry:
HKLM\Comm\TNETW12511\Parms\HTCKeepWifiOnWhenUnattended
and changed it from 0 to 1, but that didn't work. After a restart the value was automatically changed back to 0.
Looking around on the HD forum it seems that HD has the same behaviour. People changed that using a program called HD Tweak. I guess we need D2 Tweak...
i would also like to see a solution for this
I have experienced this problem also. If you have push internet scheduled and the phone is on standby, it retrieves the data via data connection/3G as opposed to your WiFi.
Additionally, if you take your phone out of standby, it takes a few seconds for the phone to re-establish the WiFi connection. If you are too quick to access the internet or update weather - again it will start to do this through the data connection.
Does anyone know how to resolve this?
did you try Advanced Configuration Tool? You can enable/disable data connections, set them to always on and enable WiFi on standby.
tomkarb said:
did you try Advanced Configuration Tool? You can enable/disable data connections, set them to always on and enable WiFi on standby.
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Does it exist for D2 too already?
Yeah got it and it works on D2, the enable WiFi option is there
You could also go to Settings -> More -> Connections -> Wi-Fi -> Wireless networks -> Menu -> Advanced, there you can change how long the Wi-Fi radio should be on if not connected to a wireless network.
Unfortunately, www.touchxperience.com is down, so I can't download it now.
helinus said:
You could also go to Settings -> More -> Connections -> Wi-Fi -> Wireless networks -> Menu -> Advanced, there you can change how long the Wi-Fi radio should be on if not connected to a wireless network.
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Thanks for the tip. This doesn't solve my problem, but it's good to know.
I found a 3.3 cab elsewhere. What option exactly did you change to keep wifi on on standby? The only logical one I found is Network >Turn off wi-fi if no activity. I changed that from yes to no, but that didn't help...
I know how to do it but it requires some code to accomplish - I actually tested this yesterday on my TD2 (the advanced config trick does not work with TD2). Unfortunately I do not have the TD2 with me right now ... Perhaps I'll muck with it a bit later anyways, else you'll have to wait 'til I have the TD2 in hand again Monday or Tuesday.
It takes a ****load of power to do this though, and I'm not sure if it works in true suspend... it works for unattended mode though.
Well, I found the option in advanced config 3.3, hidden under "More options". But indeed it doesn't work. Wifi still disconnects on standby and starts reconnecting after standby. If you have a solution Chainfire, I'd be happy!
Tomkarb, can you confirm that the Advanced Config trick really works for you?
Isn't there anyone that has a solution? The Schapps advanced config thing just doesn't work
The solution is in here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=524490
Thanks! That works indeed!
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\TNETW12511\Parms]
"HTCKeepWifiOnWhenUnattended"=dword:00000001
I never found that out, because I always soft reset immediately afterwards, thinking that was necessairy for the change to become effective. The soft reset wiped the change away though.
I've made a cab that changes the registry value to 1. It also copies the cab to the installationdir and adds a shortcut to it in the start menu. So you just have to run it from the start menu after each soft reset/restart (if you need wifi on standby). It only works when you execute it when wifi is off. Turn it on after installation.
There's a great freeware that i use called WkTask, which is a launcher, among other things, and it has the option of turning off the screen, but not putting the phone into standby. Disable the automatic power off and turn off the screen, this should solve your problem. However, i'm pretty sure your battery will drain a whole lot faster with the device never entering standby and the wifi on.
For added functionality, create a shortcut in the windows directory called 'long_power.lnk', and point it at the same file that WkTask uses (you'll see the path when you add it to the launcher, its a 'command call' btw). Then you can press and hold the power button to turn the screen off instead of powering off the phone (which is something i never do, does anyone?)
Hope that helps.
Thanks for the tip. I don't use wifi very often, only sometimes to remote control my pc. So most of the times I want it to go in standby and save as much power as possible with wifi off.
BTW, another solution for some of you may be to use a different ROM. I'm using Topaz Essentials 1.6 ROM (TESS1.6) from chef Aman now, and this ROM doesn't have the wifi turning off problem.
deechte said:
Thanks! That works indeed!
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\TNETW12511\Parms]
"HTCKeepWifiOnWhenUnattended"=dword:00000001
I never found that out, because I always soft reset immediately afterwards, thinking that was necessairy for the change to become effective. The soft reset wiped the change away though.
I've made a cab that changes the registry value to 1. It also copies the cab to the installationdir and adds a shortcut to it in the start menu. So you just have to run it from the start menu after each soft reset/restart (if you need wifi on standby). It only works when you execute it when wifi is off. Turn it on after installation.
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Does not work on my HD2
I'd like my phone to use the data connection to download weather info etc., but I'd also like it to turn it off when idle to save power. Is there an app to do this?
thanks
Click on the 3G icon on the top bar, then when the notification screen opens click on the 3G icon again, that opens the Comm Mgr screen, turn off the data connection.
OR, are you wanting an app that will do it automatically after XX min?
It should automatically disconnect after usage. I find my data connection active for like 23 hours and such. Big battery hog when it isn't even being used.
On my Fuze, there was a registry edit which would set your END key to disconnect a data connection while on the homescreen in the default position. Worked really well except it doesn't work on my new AT&T Pure for some reason.
A single tap would work exactly like the END key currently does. Pretty nice.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\Phone]
"Flags2"=dword:0000000A
Flags2: "Enables a disconnect button for GPRS connections to appear in the connectivity list. Also enables End key to disconnect GPRS."
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Actually it may still work. I just found that further down in my app.reg of my Custom folder, I had it set again, to 16.
[EDIT2]
Yup. Changing the value to A (A=10) works like a champ. It doesn't affect any normal End key functions either.
Alternatively, if you have TD2 Tools (which you should, great program), then under the Power tab, there is an option to 'Auto D/C Data Connection'. At least there is in 2a, v 2.0.3552.42948.
Yes, I want an app to disconnect the data connection after a few mins/secs. It should save power.
I will try the TD2 tools, I already had it but never thought about looking if it had this option built in.
Thanks to you all!
EDIT: It worked, it disconnects after a few minutes now. Does anybody know how to disable wake device when receiving SMS? The option is turned off, but still the device wakes itself.
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Alternatively, if you have TD2 Tools (which you should, great program), then under the Power tab, there is an option to 'Auto D/C Data Connection'. At least there is in 2a, v 2.0.3552.42948.
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It should automatically disconnect after usage. I find my data connection active for like 23 hours and such. Big battery hog when it isn't even being used.
On my Fuze, there was a registry edit which would set your END key to disconnect a data connection while on the homescreen in the default position. Worked really well except it doesn't work on my new AT&T Pure for some reason.
A single tap would work exactly like the END key currently does. Pretty nice.
Code:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\ControlPanel\Phone]
"Flags2"=dword:0000000A
Flags2: "Enables a disconnect button for GPRS connections to appear in the connectivity list. Also enables End key to disconnect GPRS."
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Actually it may still work. I just found that further down in my app.reg of my Custom folder, I had it set again, to 16.
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Yup. Changing the value to A (A=10) works like a champ. It doesn't affect any normal End key functions either.
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Are both working on a TD2? I mean either the registry tweak or the TD2 Tool?
I personally prefer the reg tweak, however I don't understand the content of your EDIT note: "changing WHAT to 16"?? and your EDIT2 note : "changing the value to A" is in hex or dec? And do you mean that pressing the END hardware key will disconnect data connection now?
Hi
The data connection being on does not drain the battery. You have a network connection to the cell all the time otherwise you wouldn't receive phone calls, the data connection symbol just means your phone also has an IP address, that doesn't take any power.
If anything the connection remaining on saves power as each time you need a connection one doesn't have be created. Creating a connection uses more CPU cycles and radio power talking to the cell to open a network connection and then more to drop it.
The network operators also want the connection to remain on as it is less load on their networks than having them continually created then dropped.
More info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
you just need to modify these two entries (was written here many times)
Hkey_local_machine\Comm\ConnMgr\Planner\Settings
1. Change in CacheTime DWORD Data to 15 (Base is Dec value)
2. Change in SuspendResume the value to GPRS_bye_if_device_off
Make a soft reset.
The data connection should turn off after 15 sec if idle. It should also turn
off after you press the red key, or turn off the screen.
Try it.
Both solutions (reg mod and TD2 Tools) work most of the time, they are in fact the same. However I noticed 2 curious behaviours in which the timeout is not respected.
1) When I update weather via DataConnection, it does not autodisconnect after the preset time...it will when device goes in standby mode.
2) Data Connection stays on until Opera is open (even if not used).Once closed, timeout starts, and it's not that bad after all.
Can anyone confirm?
I used the TD2 tools, and i'm not experiencing these issues.
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Hi
The data connection being on does not drain the battery. You have a network connection to the cell all the time otherwise you wouldn't receive phone calls, the data connection symbol just means your phone also has an IP address, that doesn't take any power.
If anything the connection remaining on saves power as each time you need a connection one doesn't have be created. Creating a connection uses more CPU cycles and radio power talking to the cell to open a network connection and then more to drop it.
The network operators also want the connection to remain on as it is less load on their networks than having them continually created then dropped.
More info here: http://blogs.msdn.com/windowsmobile/archive/2006/07/14/666203.aspx
Regards
Phil
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This is good advice. Has anyone every experienced more battery drain if the the data connection is "left open"?
In any case, even if you "disconnect" data every time, if an app wants to access the internet, doesn't wm reconnect automatically again? (unless you use modaco "nodata" app or similar to inhibit it)
Didn't notice more battery drain with a data connection left open and you're right: if an app needs connection then it will automatically be opened. In my case I want auto disconnect because, even though I have 400 monthly prepaid connection hours, which is enormous for a phone, it annoys me to waste them while topaz is in my pocket.
Wow, thaks for the great tip Phil!
I have a prepaid 150MB limit, so it shouldn't bother me leaving it on. The 400 monthly hours sualc mentioned is indeed more of a problem.
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Are both working on a TD2? I mean either the registry tweak or the TD2 Tool?
I personally prefer the reg tweak, however I don't understand the content of your EDIT note: "changing WHAT to 16"?? and your EDIT2 note : "changing the value to A" is in hex or dec? And do you mean that pressing the END hardware key will disconnect data connection now?
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The problem mentioned above, about auto-disconnecting when programs are being used... this is why I program my reg edit to manual disconnect.
@BumAround: Set the value to "0000000A" (which is hex). "16" was my default value, which was also Hex.
This will do 2 things. It creates a "Disconnect" button from the PopUp Connection window and also allows the END key to disconnect only while at the Today screen in it's default position.
For example, if you are browsing Opera and press the END key... it will only take you back to the Today screen and won't touch your data connection. If your at the default position (the Clock tab on both Manila and Titanium), pressing END again will stop the data transmission.
It is a very good solution to the OP's problem by allowing you to disconnect the data connection easily, at will, and without the need for extra programs.
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The problem mentioned above, about auto-disconnecting when programs are being used... this is why I program my reg edit to manual disconnect.
@BumAround: Set the value to "0000000A" (which is hex). "16" was my default value, which was also Hex.
This will do 2 things. It creates a "Disconnect" button from the PopUp Connection window and also allows the END key to disconnect only while at the Today screen in it's default position.
For example, if you are browsing Opera and press the END key... it will only take you back to the Today screen and won't touch your data connection. If your at the default position (the Clock tab on both Manila and Titanium), pressing END again will stop the data transmission.
It is a very good solution to the OP's problem by allowing you to disconnect the data connection easily, at will, and without the need for extra programs.
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Wow! Cool! You mean pressing END (hardware) key twice, once to bring the phone to the Today main screen, and one more time to disconnect data connection at will? Sweet!
Hi Sualc, the same "problem" for me updating weather (using option for data connection inTD2 Tools)
Not sure
PhilipL said:
Hi
The data connection being on does not drain the battery. You have a network connection to the cell all the time otherwise you wouldn't receive phone calls, the data connection symbol just means your phone also has an IP address, that doesn't take any power.
If anything the connection remaining on saves power as each time you need a connection one doesn't have be created. Creating a connection uses more CPU cycles and radio power talking to the cell to open a network connection and then more to drop it.
The network operators also want the connection to remain on as it is less load on their networks than having them continually created then dropped.
Regards
Phil
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Not sure about this... and forgive me if I shouldn't be commenting because I'm referencing a cdma HTC touch pro 2, but I think this aspect is common.
My understanding is that the arrows up in the status bar should show white when a data connection is active and transferring data, but should turn gray when the connection is connected but not actively transmitting data. On my TP2, the data connection always shows the connection active and transmitting (the arrows stay white and never turn gray). I'm thinking if this is happening, one must surely be eating battery that isn't necessary.
On a cdma phone, the GPRS registry setting that is mentioned in this thread won't work because, although it will make the data connection automatically disconnect after an active data session, and you can change how long that time is with the CacheTime registry setting, unfortunately, on my HTC touch pro 2 Sprint cdma phone, you can't answer incoming calls when a data connection is active using these settings. I have to change the GPRS setting to #777 instead to be able to answer incoming calls when a data connection is active.... and with the #777 registry setting, I then loose the automatic time out and turning off of the data connection, so it stays on and showing active unless I turn it off manually and even then it comes on by it's self so often it's not even worth turning it off manually.
If any of you tech wizards can find a way for me to both be able to answer incoming calls when the is an active data connection, and also have the data connection time out and turn off automatically when not being used, I'd love to see it, because it sure seems to me I use more battery when I'm not turning off my data connection a lot manually, but it gets old always having to turn it off too!
I went to the C.Manager. I can't get it to work right.
This is what it's set to:
Wireless Connection(Disables all wireless connection): ON
In-Flight Internet(Enable Wi-Fi and Direct push): OFF
Phone(Change phone settings): ON
Bluetooth(Turn on Bluetooth): ON
Wi-Fi (Connect to Wi-Fi Network): ON
MS Direct Push(Retrieve Outlook mail as it arrives): OFF
Data Connection(setup data connection): ON
With it like this, if I do a reset on the HD2, when it reboots, I see a Wi-Fi icon at the top. I click the icon, it says "Multiple Connections Detected", I click on the the wi-fi icon, New window opens titled Wi-Fi. Listed says wifi(Turn on wifi):OFF. Next line says Wi-Fi Networks, which has nothing listed.
I never changed of of the wi-fi stuff till today. I did do ONE regedit, for the Wireless N feature, but I changed it back when I got all these problems. And no, I don't know if I had this issues b4 that one edit change. And yes, I did a soft reset after every reg change.
1) I tried clicking the wi-fi on this screen.button pushes down but nothing happens. I press "X" and close the window
2) I launch Comm Manager. I try clicking the Wireless Connections Icon. It' still says ON. BUT Inflight Internet changes to:ON, and Phone changes to:OFF, Bluetooth changes to:OFF, Data-Connection is greyed out.
I press it again. Busy sign comes up, nothing changes.
3) I press Phone. It switches to:ON. And InFlight Internet changes:OFF
4) I press bluetooth, and it turns: ON
5) I press Wi-Fi and still nothing changes(Still:ON)
6) I press Data connection. It switched to: ON
7) I click In-Flight:OFF, changes to ON, and turns off PHONE.
8) I press InFlight again, nothing happens.
9) I press Phone, and it turns on the phone. and turns OFF the In-flight.
So... Wireless Connections:ON and the Wi-Fi:ON. Neither one does anything when I click it. Both is always GREEN ON.
ALSO
Under Settings-menu-all setting.
I click Connections and selected Wi-Fi.
"Turn on Wi-Fi" says: ON
I can click on it, and it says OFF
If I check Comm Manager, Wi-Fi is still ON and so is Wireless Connections.
I do a reset of the HD2
ANd I still get the wi-fi telling me theres a signal.Nothing changed. And when I go into "Turn wifi on", its checked again.
That little attenna I get after soft reset, only started after the regedit. I never had the wi-fi on b4 now. But I checked and that is reset to show 1.
"39. Speed Up Web Page Loading Considerably
The following registry tweak will enable almost instantaneous web page loading in the web browser. It apparently enables wireless N mode but seems to work with cellular data too. Go to:
HKLM/Comm/BCMSDDHD1/Parms
11nModeDisable = Change from 1 to 0"
Can't turn off wifi either
I have exactly the same problem, will be forced to hard reset, I think. Does anyone have any ideas?
To whoever is facing the Bluetooth not working issue no matter if you try to turn it off or on here's a fix i managed to do
Here's what you do
1 Put your phone into mass storage mode and load the system registry hive
Or use an in phone Registry editor
2 Go to HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Servic es\bthserv
3 Change the Start Value from 3 or whatever it is to 2
4 Restart your phone and that should be all.
It does not give me the option to activate,