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WIFI with out gprs?

I was on the phone with cingular today because I want to upgrade to the cingular 8125. From everything I have read on these forums and some others, it is possible to use the wifi without using gprs in any way. The lady on the phone told me that even if I am using wifi through a free access point, I will still be charged for data usage, or would need a data plan. One of the key reasons I want this phone is for the wifi (my college campus is entirely wireless).
I just wanted to make sure that I will be able to connect to wifi without any charges or a data plan, just as say a laptop with wifi would be able to do.
Thanks in advance

WiFi has nothing to do with your cellular plan. They are either talking rubbish, or you misunderstood?!
(Take your sim out. You will still be able to use wifi - how are they gonna charge you?)

That is what I thought. She either was confused, or just really wanted to sell me a data plan as well.
Thanks

I do not have GPRS and I do not get charged for data using WiFi. You do need to watch out for auto log on by the phone when you have WiFi off. I would suggest you have cingular block all wireless internet access for your phone. I had them do this for all of the phones on my plan, including my 8125. I told them I had kids and did not want a huge bill. They did it with no problem. I know that this has prevented data charges since all of us have indavertently had our phones look for for the internet when we did not want it to. I use my 8125 via WiFi on vaious networks all the time.
Hope this helps.
David

i hate people who sell cell phones, they lie so much

Thanks for your help guys. I just ordered it from cingular. I can't wait until it comes.

Billabond1 said:
I just wanted to make sure that I will be able to connect to wifi without any charges or a data plan, just as say a laptop with wifi would be able to do.
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Correct, you do not have to have a data plan and you will not be charged for WiFi usage... BUT... you have to be careful as the 8125 will switch to GPRS if it loses the WiFi signal by default. Here's a cab that allows you to turn off all data access of various flavors so you can leave WiFi on, but the others off, then you don't have to worry about it switching on you.

. . . or you can just remove the APN from your connection settings. Without an APN your unit cannot establish PDP on the GPRS network, and hence no connection . . .
Start > Settings > Connections > Connections
Edit your connection
Tap Next to the Access Point Screen.
Remove your APN (and note it for future reference) and replace it with XXX (or whatever).
Tap Next and then Finish.
Repeat for any further connections.
Not a viable solution if you need to use GPRS, but if you are never going to use it then it's not a problem.
To recap:
An incorrect Access Point Name will result in no connection, and hence, no charges.

Thanks again. I talked to my dad today, and it turns out that he has medianet disabled through cingular, so it is all good. But thanks a lot for the help.

how to limit connection to only wifi

last year my daughter's fiance wanted a wizard so i gave her one to give to him.
she broke up before she gave it to the guy.
now my daughter has a new almost fiance and this guy got the wizard.
he is complaining that sometimes the wizard connects to cingular data and not to wifi.
of course he doesn't want to pay the cingular data charges so how do i disable that and limit his connectibility to wifi.
do i just make sure the data connection is turned off in connection manager or is there a better way.
thanks

irv6744 said:
he is complaining that sometimes the wizard connects to cingular data and not to wifi.
of course he doesn't want to pay the cingular data charges so how do i disable that and limit his connectibility to wifi.
do i just make sure the data connection is turned off in connection manager or is there a better way.
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Look for a cab called Modaco NoData. It allows you to turn off data access to whichever methods you don't want. I can post the cab later today. Its also found built into my xda mobile 6 rom.

thanks for the response.
i tried to download it from modaco but got an error message even though i was logged in.
finally found it on a european site and grabbed it.
thanks again.

i tried to install the cab on my g4 8125 with wm6.
NoData does not run properly.
i get a NullReferenceException
with a couple of more lines that start with System.Windows.Forms.Form etc.
any ideas how to fix this program in wm6 or turn off the edge a different way.
thanks

an old solution to this use to be to go to settings --> connections --> connections --> advanced. then from there click on select rules and change it so that both settings are set as "My Work Network". setting it to my network only connected via wifi or when wired...since i think the my isp setting might have the wireless service information.
not a 100% guarantee, since i don't use the internet either, but i've always set it this way and haven't had any connections to the internet. even when i open up ie, it doesn't try to connect to anything.

WTF!!! Crazy data connection!

I have disabled the connection before, but now i can change the password, delete anything and whatnot and the fone will still FORCE connect itself to the data connection, which is gonna cost me big $$. This only happens once I open up opera/pie/google maps though.
right now my connection is basically:
Name:blahhhh
number:#97f399gg
username:sefse
password:hhhhh
domain*:xxxxxdaaa
i have tried everything, even completly deleting all the accounts.
what seems to happen is that the password goes for 5 digits to 16 somehow.
idk if that is back to what it is supposed to be with the #777 connection.
Using 3.0.1 custom DCD Rom, with opera, n some other bs programs
Anyhelp on how to stop this is appreciated

sumlazykd said:
I have disabled the connection before, but now i can change the password, delete anything and whatnot and the fone will still FORCE connect itself to the data connection, which is gonna cost me big $$. This only happens once I open up opera/pie/google maps though.
right now my connection is basically:
Name:blahhhh
number:#97f399gg
username:sefse
password:hhhhh
domain*:xxxxxdaaa
i have tried everything, even completly deleting all the accounts.
what seems to happen is that the password goes for 5 digits to 16 somehow.
idk if that is back to what it is supposed to be with the #777 connection.
Using 3.0.1 custom DCD Rom, with opera, n some other bs programs
Anyhelp on how to stop this is appreciated
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Google Maps and other apps that require data will automatically start a data connection if you initiate them.
If you turn on WiFi this should stop it because you are using another way of connecting.
Do you use your data plan from your carrier? If not you can always go to the EPST settings and disable EVDO and just use 1X. This will kill all data and just let you use the CDMA settings.

Okkkkk
I was able to attempt to activate them before and would just get an error, expectially with PIE, but now idk.
No i do not have the data plan, and im about 2-3MB into data which sucks. Im supposed to have a data block but i guess not.
To kill the EVDO settings, what would that be under?
( making the data parameters section blank did not work)
Also if i do this will i still be able to connect to Rev-A and whatnot?
[obv not do EVDO or able to send mms, but those two i can live without]

sumlazykd said:
I was able to attempt to activate them before and would just get an error, expectially with PIE, but now idk.
No i do not have the data plan, and im about 2-3MB into data which sucks. Im supposed to have a data block but i guess not.
To kill the EVDO settings, would that be under the data parameteres section?
Also if i do this will i still be able to connect to Rev-A and whatnot?
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You dont neccessaraly kill EVDO all you are doing is only letting your phone see a CDMA signal. Like for making calls and such. This will iliminate EVDO / REV A , but it is simple to go back. Plus i learned that it gave me way better coverage signal, but with no ability to use data.

Completely disable 3g data connections forever, save wifi
This is my first contribution to xda-forums! I'm glad I can help at all when I've benefitted so much... Thanks to all!
NOTE: After the following steps, Modaco's Nodata doesn't even register that a data connection exists! For this reason, if you occasionally use 3g, you probably will want to use Nodata, and NOT the following solution. You just might have to open Nodata and disable the data connection every time you soft-reset.
I was finally able to completely 100% block the 3g data connection on my Verizon XV6800 (aka Mogul aka Titan) was the following three steps:
1. The key culprit is HTC_CM_Guardian.exe in the windows directory. I couldn't edit it or delete it via Total Commander file explorer, but I was able to rename it! This makes the OS unable to find the program when it tries to re-set the Data connection settings.
2. Under Settings > Connections > Connections > Advanced > "Select which networks are automatically used," hit "Select Networks."
3. Under "Programs that automatically connect to the Internet should connect using:" hit "New...".
4. Enter any name you want (mine's "nodata!") and leave all the other settings blank.
5. To be safe, you may have to delete the Verizon Or "Internet" Connection on the Tasks Tab of Settings > Connections > Connections. Save and exit.
Voila! Wifi, yes; 3g, no! No more nasty billing surprises.
Modaco's Nodata program is awesome, but the problem was that HTC_CM_Guardian.exe re-enabled the data connection every time I reset the phone. Plus, HTC_CM_Guardian.exe would also thwart any effort to block data via the "Connection Settings." By renaming HTC_CM_Guardian.exe and creating a "nodata!" connection that programs auto-connecting to the internet would try to use (and fail), we get three results:
1. Modaco's Nodata doesn't even register that a data connection exists! For this reason, if you occasionally use 3g, you probably won't to use this solution.
2. When you reboot, the OS is unable to mess-up your "Connection Settings", so
3. Unless you have an active wifi connection, programs will try to connect to the Internet using the "nodata!" settings, which, being empty, will fail, exactly as planned.
Hope it helps.

Hi,
Can you tell me where to find the guardian.exe file. I cant locate it any where is it hidden perhaps. I need to disable wifi for this phone. The property that I have does not have wifi currently. So the Wifi feature drains the battery. Thank you very very much if you can provide the information.

lwinkler69 said:
Hi,
I need to disable wifi for this phone. The property that I have does not have wifi currently. So the Wifi feature drains the battery. Thank you very very much if you can provide the information.
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I just use the slider switch on the side of the phone to enable/disable wifi. I use RyanMogul's ROM and it works like a charm.

I like nueWiFiSwitch - Hardware Switch (it's in Ryan's ROM I'm using) Disable the wifi switch and whenever I want to use it, I turn it on with Communication Manager.
(the hardware switch would turn on random times when putting in or out of my pocket, etc. Works great!

Disable data connection #777

I do not have nor do I want a data plan. Sprint knows that and has disabled NAI functionality. Sprint has also blocked Pay-As-You-Go Data Access. I use WiFi to access the web and want to use GPA as a stand-a-lone. With the new Sprint ROM for Mogul installed eveytime I use GPS it tries to connect to #777. I have gone into data connections and tried changing the number, adding a user name etc. but it keeps going back to the orignial. I went into Windows and tried to delete HTC Guardian but it will not allow that. Any ideas? Thanks,
Alan

Force E-mail to use WiFi

I gave my wife my old 8125 to use when her phone went out, now she's hooked on it & wants to be able to check e-mail. she dosen't have or want a data plan on it, and is home most of the time, but can't get to the computer b/c of other responsibilities.
I have set it up to access wifi, and it will use it for PIE, But when I set up the e-mail account it wants to dial out to check. I have tried setting the account to work, and internet but it just won't work, If I let it use medianet it's fine.
Any ideas?

I have not found a way to keep WIFI active at all times and doing so would kill the battery in just a few hours anyway. (seems to be more problematic on secure wifi networks)
This is the solution I use because I don't have an unlimited data plan and I don't want anything using the mobile phone network and thus being charged for data usage.
I stop GPRS on the phone using a freeware program called "NODATA". It toggles off the data connection to the phone company. The phone itself and text messaging still work without GPRS. I can then connect to a hotspot and everything else uses wifi instead. SMTP mail, internet browsing, google, search, etc. all flow through the wifi and I don't get billed for it.
See - hXXp://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
Works great for me. Simply toggle GPRS back on only when you need it...
I've heard of others setting up "fake" GPRS connections settings and switching to those. Since the "fake" connection fails, it rolls over to WIFI. But this is much simpler.

db90483 said:
I have not found a way to keep WIFI active at all times and doing so would kill the battery in just a few hours anyway. (seems to be more problematic on secure wifi networks)
This is the solution I use because I don't have an unlimited data plan and I don't want anything using the mobile phone network and thus being charged for data usage.
I stop GPRS on the phone using a freeware program called "NODATA". It toggles off the data connection to the phone company. The phone itself and text messaging still work without GPRS. I can then connect to a hotspot and everything else uses wifi instead. SMTP mail, internet browsing, google, search, etc. all flow through the wifi and I don't get billed for it.
See - hXXp://www.modaco.com/content/pocket-pc-software/246171/new-free-utility-nodata/
Works great for me. Simply toggle GPRS back on only when you need it...
I've heard of others setting up "fake" GPRS connections settings and switching to those. Since the "fake" connection fails, it rolls over to WIFI. But this is much simpler.
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try wifimonster