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I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Get tcpmp downloaded.......if that doesnt improve the playback it might be the same reason why the hermes was crap at video playback.....the OS sucks!
the hermes now plays videos quite nicely on WM6.....are you still on WM5?
no I am on wm6
I read another thread and am trying some different settings so hopefully it will mprove
still for such a pricey device it should work out of the box
it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]
irus said:
it is most likely the conversion software you r using or the format that its in. i use spb mobile dvd 1.2 and i convert it into wmv so i can use wmp10 and not TCPMP. if you want to try a "TRIAL " copy i can send it to you, just drop me a line.
[email protected]
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email has been sent
err its ok i seem to have found the TRIAL copy
nice video here i use tcmp and select the video driver ATI
run a few tests and its better but cant touch PSP AVC movies for quality
spacecat said:
I am enjoying my new toy, but compared to my PSP the movies look really crap!
this device has a 600 hz chip and yet struggles with a 640x480 25 fps movie
I downloaded the F4 silver surfer which everyone said was great but compared to a Psp movie it looked like VHS.
does anyone know why this is and will it improve?
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Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
I'm still on WM5 and tge movie quality is absolutely sensational. On the other hand, it is crap on both of my two PSPs! I don't bother using my PSPs. I think it is potentially possible to have quality video if I get the settings right in PSP, just like you can have quality video on thus device if your setting is right.
Be careful with the ATI fix cab. I just installed it on the Athena and now my device can not boot pass the second splashscreen
mackaby007 said:
Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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you said you did two test in 640x368 what software did you use. thanks
mackaby007 said:
Hi spacecat.
They are not crap at all. As another member pointed out to you...it's all about the encoding.
DVD rips (like Axxo's torrent rips) look like HQ DVD's on my Athena, but only in a widescreen format. Meaning any bigger resolution and the Athena seems to strugle with lipsync and general performance/playback speed and skipped frames, right?
I did a small test converting 2 High definition movies into 640x368...not quite 480, but the end result was truly fab!!
It still looked high def...virtually filled the entire screen...or fills it depending what player you use...TCPMP is best or Coreplayer v1.1.1 looks a tad better, but no performance issues to complain about and absolutely minimul frames dropped.
But because I don't have the time for all that now, I simply settle for torrent downloads and play them directly via TCPMP or Coreplayer. And they look the nuts. Razor sharp.
Hope it works out for you.
P.S. The only benefit IMHO in using WMP10 and WMV (MP4-ASP) video files, is that it will be accelerated by the Imageon hardware decoder, but Coreplayer and TCPMP can use the Imageon software driver to accelerate all movie formats except WMV.
So in conclusion use WMP10 for WMV and the freeware TCPMP v0.71rc with all plug-ins available for everything else.
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im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out
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im gonna look into it as im sure this can be improved but why does it struggle so much at 25 fps
on my psp i cn get 29.97 fps and razor sharp definition using AVC or PMPMOD with no dropped frames at all. Everyone i have ever shown my psp movies to are blown away by the picture quality. the Athena movies look grainy and pixellated in comparison
Im sure the Athena can do more but its a pain finding out
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The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!
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The PSP was designed for multimedia exclusively. every last detail in this respect has been thought through. The Ameo serves a multitude of purposes and utilizes thirdparty software for a great deal of applications. With a few tweaks it works a treat, but its not the same thing. The PSP is an out of the box video and gaming solution and isnt really comparable. Try browsing effectively, typing a word document or sending a text or making a call on your PSP - that would impress your mates!
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I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear
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I am not denying what you are saying but I would have thought that a brand new top of the range device costing 700 pounds woud be able to out perform a 2 year old device that you can now pick up for 100 pounds.
I am very happy with most aspects of my Athena its a great device for many things but for movies its quite poor.
I did a conversion in spb dvd at 640x336 as recommended but it was
still poor. The only one that has looked comparable was a 640x480
conversion at 25fps. it looked good but kept skipping frames.
also if you stopped it the player stopped working .TCPMP and CORE
if anyone has a definitive programme and settings for making near dvd quality movies without skipping I would be very interested to hear
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I agree with you to a degree, although the Ameo is tied to the fact that it uses a generic OS (which automatically leaves it open to performance issue). The PSP on the other hand has an OS specifically designed for it.
I find that since i installed the HTC 001 rom i dont have any playback problems at all. I always select ATI Imageon rather than ATI imageon decoder, and also choose microdrive mode. it works for me
I just tried your settings , I was playing from the memory card
used the microdrive and the ati imageon MUCH MUCH better
no skipping . this was with a 640x336 clip .
I will see what a full 640x480 at 25fps can do tonite
cheers
here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm
Midget_1990 said:
here is what i use:
Player: TCPMP 0.81 with all plugins
Driver: ATi Imageon
Storage: Microdrive
Bitrate: 600kbps (benchmarked at 625, so 600 is safe )
Framerate: 25fps
Encoder: Divx 6.1
Quality: Insane
Audio: AC3, lowest bitrate etc
works a charm
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what prog do u use to encode the movies?
spacecat said:
what prog do u use to encode the movies?
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WinAVI, email me for a 'trial'
from Sony Ericsson Developer World
https://developer.sonyericsson.com/device/loadDevice.do?id=c0cd39f0-42ff-4662-be20-1a57657faa4e
It's great for a PPC phone: H.264 30fps 2Mbps @ VGA!
Who can verify this with a mp4 file encoding with H.264 on X1's Windows Media Player (not TCPMP/CorePlayer)?
AVI files can't be supported by Windows Media Player. You can test them with TCPMP/CorePlayer.
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http://rapidshare.com/files/156736115/GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.1.2Mbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.1.2Mbps_L.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.2Mbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.2Mbps_L.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.800kbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.800kbps_L.mp4
http://rapidshare.com/files/156739548/GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.1.2Mbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.1.2Mbps_L.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.2Mbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.2Mbps_L.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.800kbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.800kbps_L.mp4
http://rapidshare.com/files/156737923/GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.avi.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.avi.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.24fps.1.2Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.24fps.1Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.24fps.600Kbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.24fps.800Kbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.30fps.1.2Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.30fps.1Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.30fps.600Kbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.30fps.800Kbps.avi
http://rapidshare.com/files/156805403/GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.24fps.1.2Mbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.24fps.1.2Mbps_L.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.24fps.800kbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.24fps.800kbps_L.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.30fps.1.2Mbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.30fps.1.2Mbps_L.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.30fps.800kbps_H.mp4
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.30fps.800kbps_L.mp4
http://rapidshare.com/files/156740918/GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.avi.zip
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.avi.zip
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.24fps.1.2Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.24fps.1Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.24fps.600Kbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.24fps.800Kbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.30fps.1.2Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.30fps.1Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.30fps.600Kbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.30fps.800Kbps.avi
Note:
mp4 files are encoded with winmenc-0.70.
param for H (H.264 main profile with B frame):Xvc=level_idc=3:bframes=3:frameref=2:nopsnr:nossim
param for L (H.264 baseline):Xvc=level_idc=13:bframes=0:frameref=2:nopsnr:nossim:nocabac
avi files are encoded with WisMencoder_2.1.1.0
I'm very interested in this too. Anybody care to test?
find me a video and im happy to try!
Hmzzzz. Hancock what comes on the sd card??
Naffets said:
find me a video and im happy to try!
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Dear Naffets, I've uploaded some testing video files. Hope for your result.
at work at the moment, will try afterwards
Ok, testin right now. First zip tested, results:
Test 1. GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.mp4.zip
Only GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.800kbps_L.mp4 was working at 100% speed with build in Windows Media Player. Versions of movies with H on the end working only with sound (no video). TCPMP not working on X1, only modifided version by eoc for GoForce chip is starting normal but won't play h264 files.
Test 2. GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.800kbps_L.mp4 file was working almost ok, only sometimes stops for a second. Rest files was lagging a lot, all tested with WMP. TCPMP not match h264 so not tested.
Test 3. GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.avi.zip
Files not working with WMP and TCPMP.
Test 4. GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.avi.zip
Files not working with WMP and TCPMP.
TCPMP and WM won't get you desireable results on the X1, mainly since WMP doesnt support xvid and other codecs and WMP is a weak video player. Your gonna want to use Coreplayer to really see a difference most likely as its much more enhanced then TCPMP (former project name) and WMP. At least I'm pretty sure that'll be the case with more recent devices. Then again TCPMP was obtimized back then for the ATI chip so who knows.
@ell82: Have you tried using SE internal video player instead? Thats what most users used to play the bond trailer shown online.
I tried watching the 800x448 trailer on my touch pro and it opened just fine, ofcourse the lower bit rates played a bit better around 75-80% but the the higher rates made my device cry lol.
Results with SE player which is on Panels are exactly the same.
Many thanks for your testing!
ell82 said:
Ok, testin right now. First zip tested, results:
Test 1. GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.mp4.zip
Only GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.24fps.800kbps_L.mp4 was working at 100% speed with build in Windows Media Player. Versions of movies with H on the end working only with sound (no video). TCPMP not working on X1, only modifided version by eoc for GoForce chip is starting normal but won't play h264 files.
Test 2. GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.mp4.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.H264.30fps.800kbps_L.mp4 file was working almost ok, only sometimes stops for a second. Rest files was lagging a lot, all tested with WMP. TCPMP not match h264 so not tested.
Test 3. GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.avi.zip
Files not working with WMP and TCPMP.
Test 4. GTA4_Trailer_800-448.Xvid.avi.zip
Files not working with WMP and TCPMP.
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I uploaded a new zip "GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.mp4.zip".
http://rapidshare.com/files/156805403/GTA4_Trailer_800-448.H264.mp4.zip
800*448 is the best 16:9 resolution for X1's WVGA screen.
Could you test it, especial the four mp4 files of 800kbps?
Stuttering at 800kbps/30fps?
2mbit/s @ 30fps fluidly?, ......rigggggght.
GOOD JOB S.E. !
And btw, afaik Coreplayer does not care one bit about the Imageon sitting there in the corner of the chipset. So 2mbit is just plain crazytalk if you'd ask me.
SomeoneSimple said:
Stuttering at 800kbps/30fps?
2mbit/s @ 30fps fluidly?, ......rigggggght.
GOOD JOB S.E. !
And btw, afaik Coreplayer does not care one bit about the Imageon sitting there in the corner of the chipset. So 2mbit is just plain crazytalk if you'd ask me.
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But Coreplayer allows users to choose how to play videos using which video mode on the system, for instance you can choose DirectDraw, Imageon Driver, Framebuffer, and etc. Each with plays with its own capabilities so it does in fact make a difference. the Tytn was a perfect example that had horrible playback on wmp until coreplayer came in and utilized the Imageon chip allowing a huge difference in video playback. Sooooo i'm pretty sure it does care. You just have to choose that mode under preferences.
Anyone willing to test these videos with the different options in coreplayer?
pleaaaase, someone have to test this!!! I need this information very, very much, its the main point for me buying an Experia..!! I don't want to convert movies anymore, so please tell me!
Greez, cad^^
cadenza said:
pleaaaase, someone have to test this!!! I need this information very, very much, its the main point for me buying an Experia..!! I don't want to convert movies anymore, so please tell me!
Greez, cad^^
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2nd you! .. I would really like to know as well since I want a device where I dont have to convert.
cadenza said:
pleaaaase, someone have to test this!!! I need this information very, very much, its the main point for me buying an Experia..!! I don't want to convert movies anymore, so please tell me!
Greez, cad^^
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Most video's from the internet (P2P XviD's) have bitrates around 800kb/s @ 720x416 @ 24fps. Even without the "enhanced [email protected] hardware acceleration" the MSM720*A chipset will do just fine within Coreplayer.
No worries there.
[edit] Oh, and my bad for the misunderstanding of the advanced options of Coreplayer. Though, 2Mbit still seems pretty far-fetched in my opinion.
Yes, but I have many videos in very good quality with rates about 1.3-1.5 Mbps. Of course I don't need 2Mbps, but at least I want 1.5Mbps fluid. I hooooope...... Greez^^
SomeoneSimple said:
Most video's from the internet (P2P XviD's) have bitrates around 800kb/s @ 720x416 @ 24fps. Even without the "enhanced [email protected] hardware acceleration" the MSM720*A chipset will do just fine within Coreplayer.
No worries there.
[edit] Oh, and my bad for the misunderstanding of the advanced options of Coreplayer. Though, 2Mbit still seems pretty far-fetched in my opinion.
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I kinda agree with you, 2mbit seems kinda high to handle right off the bat. Im assuming at most around 1.2 in reality. Hopefully mine comes in asap but im hating this wait game for it >_<
ahyi said:
from Sony Ericsson Developer World
http://rapidshare.com/files/156737923/GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.avi.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.avi.zip
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.24fps.1.2Mbps.avi
GTA4_Trailer_640-480.Xvid.24fps.1Mbps.avi
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Anyone managed to test this yet in CorePlayer? ))))))
FunkyMike said:
Anyone managed to test this yet in CorePlayer? ))))))
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Tomorrow my phone turns up, assuming the Core team don't take weeks and allow me to get a new serial for my new phone, I have an 8gb micro SD card full of 350mb TV shows that I want to test. Will report back as soon as I can get CorePlayer on the phone.
Hi all,
what others thing about Xperia's performance? I have it with original En ROM and it seems like not good performance, because when im playing some videos from youtube i can see missong frames, or some another videos with for ex. played in CorePlayer then it is slow like on an old PC, in CorePlayer it has to be set on medium quality to get videos playable 25fps
Help me please...
vikino said:
Hi all,
what others thing about Xperia's performance? I have it with original En ROM and it seems like not good performance, because when im playing some videos from youtube i can see missong frames, or some another videos with for ex. played in CorePlayer then it is slow like on an old PC, in CorePlayer it has to be set on medium quality to get videos playable 25fps
Help me please...
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I see dropped frames on YouTube on my 3GHz PC too, so this is not hardware limitataion, could be streaming error.
Coreplayer is being developed, a new version is said to have the hardware acceleration for Qualcomm chipset, we just have to wait
But those movies on youtube are ok, on PC no error, streaming ok
to the coreplayer, on my old FSC N560 the same movie gets about 3mbps in bench. in high quality, on Xperia it gets about 2mbps on medium quality
Now i tryied on N560 some MKV video with 5mbit datarate, it is quite slow, but watchable on medium quality, on xperia not at all...
norti said:
I see dropped frames on YouTube on my 3GHz PC too, so this is not hardware limitataion, could be streaming error.
Coreplayer is being developed, a new version is said to have the hardware acceleration for Qualcomm chipset, we just have to wait
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change settings to h.264 medium quality for youtube movies. the playback is great. I just experience the problem at the end of the movie when it trys to reload and that crashes my phone. I have to take the battery out. Try it, it might work for you.
OK, and what to set in Zenyee's YouTube? Because there i have the same problem
Jabe said:
change settings to h.264 medium quality for youtube movies. the playback is great. I just experience the problem at the end of the movie when it trys to reload and that crashes my phone. I have to take the battery out. Try it, it might work for you.
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I don't know because I could never get it to work properly (to be honest I do not even know what to install and what not - i am having problems with landscape mode). You really should try the coreplayer settings. apparently what i am experiencing is not a common bug, perhaps i have something installed or sth, will have to do a hard reset when i have more time and try again.
Settings in CorePlayer offcourse hepled, thanx a lot for that...Now it will be nice if some CorePanel is lol...
Jabe said:
I don't know because I could never get it to work properly (to be honest I do not even know what to install and what not - i am having problems with landscape mode). You really should try the coreplayer settings. apparently what i am experiencing is not a common bug, perhaps i have something installed or sth, will have to do a hard reset when i have more time and try again.
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vikino said:
But those movies on youtube are ok, on PC no error, streaming ok
to the coreplayer, on my old FSC N560 the same movie gets about 3mbps in bench. in high quality, on Xperia it gets about 2mbps on medium quality
Now i tryied on N560 some MKV video with 5mbit datarate, it is quite slow, but watchable on medium quality, on xperia not at all...
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My old Mio558 plays HDTV videos watchable too, the X1 is the one that's missing hardware accelerating support in Coreplayer (and other players)
We'll see what comes with new CorePlayer...
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My old Mio558 plays HDTV videos watchable too, the X1 is the one that's missing hardware accelerating support in Coreplayer (and other players)
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I have an older HTC HD and it cannot play 800 x 480 video files smoothly so I usually have to reencode it to a resolution of 480 x 272 to have smooth playback with coreplayer with about 105% average speed on the benchmark results.
My question is, if I buy the HTC HD2 with its more powerful Snapdragon 1GHz processor, would coreplayer be able to play .avi or .mkv files with 800 x 420 resolution smoothly with over 100% average speed on the benchmark results?
Player smooth video with good bitrate and high resolution is very important to me because I do a lot of movie watching with my older HTC HD.
Hey, yes it can!
I have done some Benchmarking. You can see it here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=616058
Always
Try a version of Coreplayer optimized for Snapdragon from Toshiba TG1 ...
Works flawlessly for me in GDI render .
It's impossible to answer this - it depends so strongly on which video you're talking about. If you've got an mp4 file with a bit-rate of 2000kb/s encoded using CABAC then CorePlayer will have significant problems with it. Lower bit-rates (and avoiding CABAC) may well be fine.
This is slightly odd question, in a way: where are you getting your 800x420 videos from? I've never seen a downloadable video at that resolution (except for some samples on these fora). If the answer is that you are making them yourself by transcoding an existing file to change the resolution, then this begs the question: why on Earth would you want to transcode it into a format that you need CorePlayer to play? If you're transcoding then it would make more sense to transcode it into a format that can be played easily using Pocket Media Player or the HTCAlbum player - both of which do a much better job than CorePlayer on the (admittedly narrow) range of formats and codecs that they support.
Coreplayer does a very good job on the sort of lower-resolution AVI encoded with xvid that people normally use to distribute SD TV or DVD rips. So, between them, you pretty much cover the bases: stuff with a resolution of >800x480 that is transcoded should be converted into something you can play in HTCAlbum, while anything with lower resolution will probably play quite nicely in CorePlayer.
Yes, 800x480 avis should play fine on Coreplayer, tested with a few HD trailers down-res to 800x480 and they play fine. But of course, don't expect to play 800x480 mp4s with high bitrates in Coreplayer, it doesn't bode well. MKVs wise it might not work from the limited testing i've done in that area.
@Shasarak, some videos for some strange reason prefer to be transcoded into some formats. For example, on my setup, mkvs with vorbis/dts audio, when transcoded into mp4, they tend to go OOS. However when transcoded into divx/xvid, they work fine...Not sure exactly why, but that might be a reason.
Also, HTC Video player doesn't allow any form of playlist or folder based playback. Some people might prefer this to watching a movie, exit, click another video, rinse and repeat.
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I also primarily upgraded to the HD2 for movie watching. Love it.
Plays 700meg avi's in any format via coreplayer. Usually around 180% so heaps of head room.
Screen is also a massive improvement and battery life is better. Eg the hd would only play 2 movies before flat however the hd2 is only at 50% battery after two full length movies.
At this stage after 2 months I have no reason to look for a new phone.
Where, where?
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Try a version of Coreplayer optimized for Snapdragon from Toshiba TG1 ...
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Where can I get it?
DinoZ1 said:
Where can I get it?
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It's not all that imo.
Tested it with some re-encodes I made, and whilst it does play them smoothly (especially compared to the retail 1.36 version), the quality needs to be dropped slightly to do so, whereas HTC Album plays it smooth and at max quality.
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Try a version of Coreplayer optimized for Snapdragon from Toshiba TG1 ...
Works flawlessly for me in GDI render .
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DinoZ1 said:
Where can I get it?
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You can't, or at least not legally - it's illegally pirated.
Shasarak said:
You can't, or at least not legally - it's illegally pirated.
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It is legal to me as I bought a full licence
DinoZ1 said:
It is legal to me as I bought a full licence
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Doesn't matter.....you still won't get any assistance on where to find it here.
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It is legal to me as I bought a full licence
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I'm afraid it isn't and you didn't.
You may well have a licence for the commercial version of CorePlayer. You do NOT, however, have a licence for the hardware-accelerated version, unless you actually own a Toshiba TG01. The two products are not the same, and are covered by different licences. (And even if you do own a TG01, you still don't have a licence to take the application off there and install it on another phone.)
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You can't, or at least not legally - it's illegally pirated.
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Yes , is `very` pirated , but for benchmark purpose ONLY I try it on my HD2 . Again , it`s amaizing !!
core player do not play mkv-files.
on my device i have sound but no picture.
Shasarak said:
It's impossible to answer this - it depends so strongly on which video you're talking about. If you've got an mp4 file with a bit-rate of 2000kb/s encoded using CABAC then CorePlayer will have significant problems with it. Lower bit-rates (and avoiding CABAC) may well be fine.
This is slightly odd question, in a way: where are you getting your 800x420 videos from? I've never seen a downloadable video at that resolution (except for some samples on these fora). If the answer is that you are making them yourself by transcoding an existing file to change the resolution, then this begs the question: why on Earth would you want to transcode it into a format that you need CorePlayer to play? If you're transcoding then it would make more sense to transcode it into a format that can be played easily using Pocket Media Player or the HTCAlbum player - both of which do a much better job than CorePlayer on the (admittedly narrow) range of formats and codecs that they support.
Coreplayer does a very good job on the sort of lower-resolution AVI encoded with xvid that people normally use to distribute SD TV or DVD rips. So, between them, you pretty much cover the bases: stuff with a resolution of >800x480 that is transcoded should be converted into something you can play in HTCAlbum, while anything with lower resolution will probably play quite nicely in CorePlayer.
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I have found that any videos I play in Media Play or Album player play back with the video and audio out of Sync. I therefore use CorePlayer as it allows me to change the sync to compensate.
It is strange as the video files play in perfect sync on my PC but not on the HD2.
Anyone have any ideas why this would be?????
After spending a long time with my HD2 I noticed the biggest gripe I had with Android in general was video playback. I went ahead and tested all the available video players and compared them to good old coreplayer and I was not at the least impressed.
All I want is for my phone to be able to play ANY video encoded with a resolution of 480p or lower (at understandable bitrates) and at perfect image quality and no lag. On Coreplayer using WinMo, this feat is easily attainable, all 480p AVC and XVID files play like butter regardless of their encoding specs using directdraw. There is no NEON or dedicated HW support on this player yet I am extremely impressed.
The stock android player can even play 720p files with HW support but they have be encoded in a very specific way, and encoding takes too much and decreases quality, thats why I prefer native support for varying formats. When switching over to android I expected one player to atleast perform on the same level as Coreplayer and I am disappointed beyond belief.
Here are my comments.
Act 1 Video Player - 1/10
-Cant play Xvid/Mkv Stock is better.
arcMedia - 2/10
-Serious distortions on AVI, and 480p AVC video. Coreplayer WM 6.5.5 is better.
Meridian Media Player - 1/10
-Inproper codec support.
QQPlayer 3/10
-Cannot decode AVC properly, minor distortions occur during XVID playback, Coreplayer still superior. XVID: Distoritons are clear, however, no grainy playback, occasional slowdowns. Too bugy for personal use.
Rockplayer - 5/10
-Inadequate AVC decoder, XVID playback has minimal distortions, watchable. Coreplayer for WM still quite a bit better
VPlayer - 4/10
-Rouphly the same AVC performance as Rockplayer, however, Rockplayer has a better XVID decoder. Signifincantly worse than Coreplayer for WM.
YXPlayer - 1/10
-Utter crap, no decent decoders, and horrible AVI playback.
Vital Player - 4/10
-Simmilar AVC and XVID performance to Rockplayer. XVID playback had small distortions and was not as clear as Rockplayer. Watchable. Coreplayer, however was still very much superior in both 480p AVC and AVI files.
How can all the latest players on a modern OS fall so horribly short of an aging video player in a deceased platform. I truly dont get this. I also own a Samsung Captivate but do not use it nearly as often as the HD2, the Galaxy S is equipped with a phenomenal video player that basically plays every thing. I dont expect this from 3rd party players, but why cant I get WinMo video performance on Android????? does anyone know of an alternative, besides waiting another year for coreplayer to be released for android; What do you guys think??
FYI: These are my Coreplayer settings in full.
http://forum.corecodec.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3911&sid=133b4fe474b1a530f5677b0bb94f9588
I hear you man...
Agreed. As a current HD2 owner (and prior owner of a Touch pro2), I'm a big WinMo fan and Coreplayer is also my video player of choice - hands down one of the best.
I recently got a NookColor as a gift, and it happens to be my first Android device, so i went ahead and rooted it - figured i might as well make a full-fledged Android tablet out of it that I can do other things on when i'm tired of reading by ebooks. One of my biggest pastimes is catching up on tv-shows I've downloaded - and most happen to be avi files.
I cant for the life of me find a decent Video Player for Android either - i've tried VPlayer, Act 1 (doesnt play avi's - but pretty decent on mp4s - but i'm not going thru the hassle of converting my videos to mp4 - I shouldnt have to!) and a host of others too - some of which you have mentioned.
Please post a reply to this thread if you find a decent player (I dont mind forking out a few bucks on the market for one) - but as my first experience on Android, I'm utterly disappointed by the lack of a decent video player too!
True true. I heard the coreplayer team is trying to port coreplayer to android. So that might be good.
However alot of the new phones are coming out with more codec support so it may make 3rd party video players obsolete or near obsolete in due time.
Eg your captivate, it plays every video file thrown at it, if not, most.
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True true. I heard the coreplayer team is trying to port coreplayer to android. So that might be good.
However alot of the new phones are coming out with more codec support so it may make 3rd party video players obsolete or near obsolete in due time.
Eg your captivate, it plays every video file thrown at it, if not, most.
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i think ur right
The only reason I got the Galaxy S was because of it ability to playback virtually anything inc. 720p MKV with TV out.
But just because it can play a video file does not make it great because the stock video player is so basic :
No slow mo
No MKV subtitle support
No A/B repeat
No pinch to zoom
You get the idea.
Third party video players will always be required because the stock players lack cool functions that Coreplayer had years ago.
The Coreplayer teams keep making false claims about releasing an Android or iPhone version. I doubt it will happen in my lifetime.
Me too, i waiting for coreplayer, i still keep my HD2 for video playback
I survive with QQPlayer, with Mobo Player as a second choice, but I agree with your argument
Well for anyone, mobo player seems really good.
I use android on the HD2 and rockplayer has played mp4/avi/mkv/etc all fine.
This is the only reason why I'm still stuck on WM6.5 on HD2.
All android video players suck harder than a collapsed star.
Can't find any player that plays .flv, has manageable playlist, can shuffle, and smooth playback. There's nothing half good as WM CorePlayer.
I've heard that there is CorePlayer for Android (OEM license) But there's no market/consumer version.
http://twitter.com/#!/CoreCodec/status/116337393455472640
bs player is out for android and is working great, so is mx video player. i mostly use mx video player, it plays all the file formats.
QQPlayer？I do not think it's good enough.BUT MOBO
MoboPlayer
There is only one good media player on android, i tried all the others but i stick to this one again and again: "MoboPlayer" does it all.
Really ?
Probably not everything, i've seen that claim before, but i have had some weird files that worked like a charm and ofcourse your basics: AVI/MKV/MP2/3/4/OGM/FLAC. Streaming etc. You can change volume and brightness by swyping .. LEFT/RIGHT on screen.
Just download & try, because its FREE on the market. Lemme know if you agree or not.
I used mobo and is great..better than stock..and its free and all work good..till now its not bugy and block my hd2..
i've installed mx video player, mobo and daroon, because they all have their strengths, but i mostly use mx video player.