Lots of people still confused and still looking for a solution, I believe.
In the next 5 mins tutorial, you will squeeze the best out of a good old WMP by doing the following;
Code:
WIth this method, you will get much better quality MP4 video compare to FLV video which you need to open with CorePlayer.
1. First, Install the SD TuneUp.
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=130286&d=1226827760
Credit: tnyynt
2. Use "AimerSoft Video Converter"
Code:
http://www.aimersoft.com/video-converter.html
Why?
Some says "Super Converter" is the best bcuz of its performance and its free but here come the new champion, AimerSoft Video Converter.
Let me explain..
Code:
With WMP u need to convert the file in H.264 for the best result.
So, "Super" can do that with 80-90% output quality after converted.
"AimerSoft" will do it with 97-100% output quality after converted.
In conclusion, if u convert 720p, 30 mins length video by "Super" u will more likely to see frame dropping in every 10 min.
With "AimerSoft", u may see it once in a whole clip or not at all.
3. Fire up "AimerSoft" then add your video clip.
4. At "Profile" drop down menu choose "MPEG-4 Movie (*.mp4)"
5. Click "Setting" at the right hand side and adjust as the following;
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Resolution: 800*480 (You can type it in if u cant find it)
Frame Rate: 23.97 FPS
Encoder: H.264
Bit Rate: 1500 kbps (Trust me, WMP can handle this bit rate)
**Bit Rate Tip**:
Bit rate is the the most tricky part of converting process so u have to b careful on how u choose a proper bit rate.
Here's how u do it;
If the video has a native resolution [COLOR="Red"]lesser[/COLOR] than 800*480 u can go for [COLOR="Red"]1500 kbps[/COLOR].
If the video has a native resolution [COLOR="Red"]greater[/COLOR] than 800*480 u must choose [COLOR="Red"]900 kbps[/COLOR].
Audio: 44100 Hz 2 Channels Stereo
Encoder: AAC
Bit Rate 128 kbps
6. Click "save As", name "WMP for Touch HD" for next use. (You can name the profile as anything u like)
7. Choose your video output folder.
8. Click start and chill out. ^^
The Pros:
- You dont have to pay for CorePlayer.
- You get much much sharper quality video and very minimum frame dropping. (Download the sample files I provide below and judge for yourself)
- Less hassle and user friendly.
- With "AimerSoft", when u set resolution to 800*480, the bigger resolution will be re-sized, the smaller resolution video will remain as the original but "AimerSoft" will automatically put a frame around the clip so the video will maintain 16:9 aspect ratio.
The Cons:
- You got to pay for "AimerSoft" instead. lolz (About the same price)
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This is the sample video converted by AimerSoft useing the exact setting as I describe above.
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/169145053/Empire_Of_The_Sun_-_Walking_On_A_Dream.mp4
Note: You may put this clip into your SD Card and play with WMP straight away.
Another sample video shot from Touch Diamond showing 3 clips with WMP.
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/169196260/VIDEO_005.mp4
Note: This file is for playing with VLC Media Player on PC only and you will have no sound. Sorry about that >_<
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NOTE: I am not a "AimerSoft" representative by any mean.
I am not paid by "AimorSoft" to convince you to buy their product in any way.
I am just a sick and bored man who want to relax by watching a good quality video clips on the phone when im at workP) or traveling and wanted to share the information to people who looking for the solution.
Thank you everybody who help and contribute to this forum especially "tnyynt".
Please give credit to me if you want to spread out this tutorial anywhere else.
Thank You and Enjoy watching!
Vosszaa
Code:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=446366
You can view the original post by "tnyynt" here.
Here you go. I made another sample video just to prove my concept.
In this video I use the 77Mb file size, 720p trailer of "The Day The Earth Stood Still" downloaded directly from Apple Trailer with 1280*554 native resolution with top and bottom black boarder.
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/169445296/earthstoodstill_720p_1500kbps.mp4
Details: Converted by [COLOR="Red"]AimerSoft[/COLOR], [COLOR="Red"]800*480[/COLOR] resolution, [COLOR="Red"]1500 kbps[/COLOR], 23.976 fps, H.264 in MP4 format.
You may put this video on to your SD card and play with WMP straight away.
Note: As u can see there is a lag at the beginning and a little towards the end of the movie which i believe its cause by video buffering and data transfer rate of SD Card.
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http://rapidshare.com/files/169449637/earthstoodstill_720p_900kbps.mp4
This is the same video but converted with [COLOR="Red"]900 kbps[/COLOR] to reduce lag which indeed improve about 10%.
And with the same file but converted in FLV format and need to play with CorePlayer.
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/169445836/earthstoodstill-tlre_720p.mov.FLV
Details: Converted by [COLOR="Red"]SuperConverter[/COLOR], [COLOR="Red"]560*304[/COLOR] resolution, [COLOR="Red"]1200 kbps[/COLOR], 23.976 fps (best setting for CorePlayer as suggested by "tnyynt")
Note: I have to admit that the frame rate is very smooth but really lack in details and sharpness of the video.
Conclusion:
With MP4 format by AimerSoft I have a crisp sharp video but a little suffer from frame dropping.
With FLV format by SuperConverter I have a very smooth frame rate but lag in details and sharpness.
If u ask me, i prefer to suffer a little frame drop to have a very crisp clear and sharp picture rather than smooth frame rate.
Enuff for bla bla bla.. just download and try for yourself.
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Another 1500kbps video I converted by AimerSoft.
Code:
http://rapidshare.com/files/174535773/Jojo_-_How_To_Touch_A_Girl.mp4
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Thank you very much for this useful Tut!! I'll try this out, for sure^^ and really thank you, a very clear, step by step tutorial for perfect video converting, thats great!!! Greez, cad^^
This is a great forum and I truly appreciate the selfless contributions of the many members, like you. Normally, I can get everything I need just by searching the forum. However, I have a problem and I am not sure if it is unique to me. I can’t get wmp to read mp4 files, even though they were created in the manner you just described. My mp4 files are readable using the native player. Any ideas why wmp won't read them?
willwwa said:
This is a great forum and I truly appreciate the selfless contributions of the many members, like you. Normally, I can get everything I need just by searching the forum. However, I have a problem and I am not sure if it is unique to me. I can’t get wmp to read mp4 files, even though they were created in the manner you just described. My mp4 files are readable using the native player. Any ideas why wmp won't read them?
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WMP wont play your converted mp4 file or it wont play any mp4 files at all?
If WMP dont play just the converted file mayb its the converting process issue.
Just try download the sample video i provided. let c if it play.
If not, i guess its the WMP issue.. u need to reinstall WMP mayb.
What software u use to convert the video? Super or AimerSoft?
vosszaa said:
WMP wont play your converted mp4 file or it wont play any mp4 files at all?
If WMP dont play just the converted file mayb its the converting process issue.
Just try download the sample video i provided. let c if it play.
If not, i guess its the WMP issue.. u need to reinstall WMP mayb.
What software u use to convert the video? Super or AimerSoft?
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I used Aimersoft to convert the video. I finally got it to play. I had to download an H264 codec from an obscure site. Now, the video plays fantastically. I think WMP may have gotten corrupted from my trying out so many different brands of media players.
Again, thanks for the fix. Keep up the good work.
No problem mate. Glad that my TUT help sumbody.
I also noticed that MP4 with H.264 CABAC profile ON dosn't work with WMP
you have to be sure to turn it off to BaseLine
These options are in Super , don't know if VDO has something similar
by the way its in the other thread too,
but you can have a look at the quality using SUPER with this video clip
I don't have the Aimersoft to test the quality but SUPER does a good job converting to MP4,
but it can take several hours for a 8 Gb 1080 file
CABAC profile is set to off by default so that's why i didnt mention about that.
About comparing Super and AimerSoft i dont want to say much cuz i dont wanna course any flame war here and I know lots of people use Super too. (I have both anyway)
NOTE: I recommend AimerSoft Suite cuz it do a lot more than just a converter.
So, what i mainly do with my HD is to watch Music Video and Movie Trailers just to show my friends at work. And since MV and Trailers both are not a huge file so what i normally do is convert the same files with both Super and AimerSoft then play it and compare which one is better to keep.
I know mayb its a waste of time but thats the way i do. ^^
NOTE: It turns out, personally, AimerSoft beats Super by 9:1
NOTE 2: With Step Up 2 movie(its divx dvd-rip 780mb convert done in 1hr 20mins) I just pick AimerSoft to do the job and it was fine like i said apart from the laggy at first 2-3 mins tho.
willwwa said:
I used Aimersoft to convert the video. I finally got it to play. I had to download an H264 codec from an obscure site. Now, the video plays fantastically. I think WMP may have gotten corrupted from my trying out so many different brands of media players.
Again, thanks for the fix. Keep up the good work.
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Don't suppose you can remember where you got that codec? I have the same issue and have been googling for ages without any luck, must be getting late
Many thanks
U can get K-lite codec pack easily by google it, after u install that i recommend u to install CoreAVC pack as well. It improve H.264 and it comes with Haali Media Splitter too.
NOTE: PM me if u cant find them.
Urrrgh, don't use codec packs, they're notorious for screwing up machines.
i have codec pack install in my pc and it doesnt screw anything tho.
can u xplain how it screw your machine?
thank god for multicore processing or this would pretty much make the computer useless for however long it took for the conversion.
vosszaa said:
U can get K-lite codec pack easily by google it, after u install that i recommend u to install CoreAVC pack as well. It improve H.264 and it comes with Haali Media Splitter too.
NOTE: PM me if u cant find them.
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Vosszaa
Thanks for the response. I think I may have got my wires crossed here. I can get the MP4 to play on WMP on my PC but your sample "Empire_Of_The_Sun_-_Walking_On_A_Dream.mp4" wont play on my HD. It will only open in Album or Coreplayer (although it doesn't play properly). I thought there was an additional codec to get my HD to play the file
This is strange, maybe I will need to do a hard reset already??? No doubt the first of many
Now that is really weird.
Do u have any error log/msg pop up when u try to play it?
Any strange thing happen at all?(such as loading icon appear)
Or its just nothing with black screen?
Q. "I thought there was an additional codec to get my HD to play the file."
A. I dont think u need to install any additional codec to your HD. (I didnt install any extra.)
Code:
Keep this a try >> http://rapidshare.com/files/171066422/h264.cab << Install it and let c if it play. if it doesnt, just uninstall it and do a hard reset.
Tell me if it works.
Vosszaa
The message I get from WMP is "Cannot play this file" andf thats it??? I will give that cab a spin and report back.
I tried a Madonna 4 Minutes MP4 video thats been posted on the forum to play on WMP as well and I get the same.
Just had a thought, are people syncing the files to their phones using WMP on the PC??? I am just copying the videos to my SD card manually. Does that make a difference??
I've never really used WMP on any of my WM devices, I've only used Beta Player, TCPMP or Coreplayer. Hopefully Coreplayer will have a release soon with full support for the HD chipset then none of this conversion will be necessary.
I just copy and paste by using Windows Explorer. It make no difference.
kurtfhouse said:
Don't suppose you can remember where you got that codec? I have the same issue and have been googling for ages without any luck, must be getting late
Many thanks
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I found a cab on the htcdriver.com site. Here is the download link:
www.htcdriver.com/downloads/install/h264codecHTCdriver.com.cab
O.k tried the CAB's still no joy. Will get all my must have CAB's together either tonight or tomorrow and do a hard reset. Then report back.
Would have done it already but the lurgy is making around my home town and I feel like death!
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I see several other threads on this subject, but all go into conversations on the use of third-party conversion software. I use a Sony Vegas Pro 8 video editing software which can convert to any format/settings (and incidentally costs more than the HTC device itself).
What I am looking for is the best video settings as for:
1: type (wmv, mp4, etc)
2: codec
3: bitrate
4: size
5: framerate
I’m trying differing settings at random, but as of yet haven’t resulting in a better video than was on my 2003 Palm T3. If I find a good fit I’ll post it, but would be interested to see if anyone has found the best settings mix. HTC tech support are no help and have little to no understanding of video formats.
PilotRMK said:
I see several other threads on this subject, but all go into conversations on the use of third-party conversion software. I use a Sony Vegas Pro 8 video editing software which can convert to any format/settings (and incidentally costs more than the HTC device itself).
What I am looking for is the best video settings as for:
1: type (wmv, mp4, etc)
2: codec
3: bitrate
4: size
5: framerate
I’m trying differing settings at random, but as of yet haven’t resulting in a better video than was on my 2003 Palm T3. If I find a good fit I’ll post it, but would be interested to see if anyone has found the best settings mix. HTC tech support are no help and have little to no understanding of video formats.
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1: mp4
2: video: h.264 audio: aac
3: 800 - 1500 Kbps audio: 128Kbps
4: 800x480 16:9 cropped
5: Original (25 -30)
Play the resulting file in Album htc player or Windows Media Player.
It's what I use and it works great!
Willy1973 that works much better, thanks. Still some intermittent stuttering, but I suppose thats down to so much overhead in WM6.
1500 is too much. Set 1000 and it wont lag ever.
^ I've used "super" for a long time, once you get the settings right, it's very good. However, my Touch HD wont play the videos i converted to my atom life.
Also even with the video bitrate set to 600 there is still some stuttering. (when using the default "video player". As of yet I've not been able to make WMP find any of the mp4 videos on my memory card, and the TF3D album only finds videos stored on the actual device itself.
The Blackstone video encoding GUI ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112 ) is neat and handy - especially if you just want to dump a few videos in and leave it running overnight - i've found it to be a bit slower than super, but there isnt much in it tbh.
I've not installed coreplayer yet -going to give that a try now, and see if that helps with the playback issues I'm having. But even so it would be nice to have the option of using WMP - if ayone has any ideas as to why it isnt finding the videos on my memory card? I've tried putting the vids in the main directory,and also tried creating a folder on the memory card called "video". Neither has worked yet.
Noodled24 said:
^ I've used "super" for a long time, once you get the settings right, it's very good. However, my Touch HD wont play the videos i converted to my atom life.
Also even with the video bitrate set to 600 there is still some stuttering. (when using the default "video player". As of yet I've not been able to make WMP find any of the mp4 videos on my memory card, and the TF3D album only finds videos stored on the actual device itself.
The Blackstone video encoding GUI ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112 ) is neat and handy - especially if you just want to dump a few videos in and leave it running overnight - i've found it to be a bit slower than super, but there isnt much in it tbh.
I've not installed coreplayer yet -going to give that a try now, and see if that helps with the playback issues I'm having. But even so it would be nice to have the option of using WMP - if ayone has any ideas as to why it isnt finding the videos on my memory card? I've tried putting the vids in the main directory,and also tried creating a folder on the memory card called "video". Neither has worked yet.
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WMP has a "open file.." menu item, for single files, in the library.
Album should find your memcard, press the left dialog-button, while in album..
Check out this post:
http://www.wmguides.com/guides?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=0&sobi2Id=20
Thanks!
willy1973 said:
WMP has a "open file.." menu item, for single files, in the library.
Album should find your memcard, press the left dialog-button, while in album..
Check out this post:
http://www.wmguides.com/guides?sobi2Task=sobi2Details&catid=0&sobi2Id=20
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Thanks for that, I'm now able to locate the memory card and videos located on it via the "album"... i was only seeing the previews in the photo and video tab. Can now locate all!
With WMP I can locate single files... but cant understand why they're not showing up in the library. Even after being played via WMP. (I should add, it has no problem locating music files, just video)
Both these solutions seems to have eliminated the stuttering I was getting before.
The reason i like WMP so much is that when one video is finnished it moves to the next rather than stopping completely.
PilotRMK said:
...1: type (wmv, mp4, etc)
2: codec
3: bitrate
4: size
5: framerate...
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I'm experimenting with Catalyst DVD Converter which I found in another thread and am unable to completely eliminate that pesky frame dropping every few seconds on my HD. Here's what's working best so far
1: .avi
2: DIVX5
3: 500
4: 400x240 (autocropped by catalyst dvd to fill the screen, which I really like!)
5: 30
Note: I use CorePlayer to play the videos. One thing I've noticed is that although the mpeg4 and h.264 files do play ok on win media player mobile, mpeg4 files are much larger that divx, and h.264 (also .mp4 extension) take 2-3 time longer to encode to the device. I've not had good luck playing 800x480 files as they shudder so badly because there's 4 times as much info for the HD to process, and the 400x240 files play really nicely. I use Dutty's 1.5 rom with tnyynt's sd card tuneup cab, which I think is already incorporated into the rom???
Hope this helps... --Jesse
I've now disovered that WMP is finding my MP4 files, but for some reason it's adding them to my music library rather than to my video library?
Is there an option somewhere to tell it that .mp4 extentions are video?
SomethingWicked said:
I'm experimenting with Catalyst DVD Converter which I found in another thread and am unable to completely eliminate that pesky frame dropping every few seconds on my HD. Here's what's working best so far
1: .avi
2: DIVX5
3: 500
4: 400x240 (autocropped by catalyst dvd to fill the screen, which I really like!)
5: 30
Note: I use CorePlayer to play the videos. One thing I've noticed is that although the mpeg4 and h.264 files do play ok on win media player mobile, mpeg4 files are much larger that divx, and h.264 (also .mp4 extension) take 2-3 time longer to encode to the device. I've not had good luck playing 800x480 files as they shudder so badly because there's 4 times as much info for the HD to process, and the 400x240 files play really nicely. I use Dutty's 1.5 rom with tnyynt's sd card tuneup cab, which I think is already incorporated into the rom???
Hope this helps... --Jesse
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1/4 resolution and 500bitrate must be ugly
go where to set the video setting??? tks
SomethingWicked said:
I'm experimenting with Catalyst DVD Converter which I found in another thread and am unable to completely eliminate that pesky frame dropping every few seconds on my HD. Here's what's working best so far
1: .avi
2: DIVX5
3: 500
4: 400x240 (autocropped by catalyst dvd to fill the screen, which I really like!)
5: 30
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With DVD Catalyst 3 (which I presume is the same) I use the default settings
1: .mp4
2: h264_ipod_hq
3: 600
4: 800 x 480
5: 30
I play them back with the Album player, (if you just use your file explorer to find the file and click on it, it will play in Album player by default) and get totally stutter free video. I was particularly impressed by the action seens in Tropic Thunder and Star Wars, where I was expecting to see frames dropped. But there weren't any!!
I have converted at least 10 movies, some from DVD, and some from .avi's. It auto scans from either start up or insertion in your player then finds the correct file from all the .vobs etc. With .avi's, you can just drag and drop.
When using the autoscan for DVD's, it's worth checking preview within Catalyst to make sure it has picked the correct language version, or indeed if it needs subtitiles for a foriegn movie.
I have tried about 5 different programs now for conversion and have found this to be far and away the best. I have now put my money where my mouth is and purchased it. (For those that haven't tried, it is available on a 7 day trial)
Top notch Video on the HD that is well worth comparing with your mates' IPod at last.
Wolfenzi said:
1/4 resolution and 500bitrate must be ugly
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actually, if you'd read my message, you'd see where i said they play fine. in fact, theres a theead floating around discussing this. it's where i got the idea
Cap Loz said:
With DVD Catalyst 3 (which I presume is the same) I use the default settings
1: .mp4
2: h264_ipod_hq
3: 600
4: 800 x 480
5: 30
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sweet. thanks for the info. i'll convert a dvd right now
PilotRMK said:
I see several other threads on this subject, but all go into conversations on the use of third-party conversion software. I use a Sony Vegas Pro 8 video editing software which can convert to any format/settings (and incidentally costs more than the HTC device itself).
What I am looking for is the best video settings as for:
1: type (wmv, mp4, etc)
2: codec
3: bitrate
4: size
5: framerate
I’m trying differing settings at random, but as of yet haven’t resulting in a better video than was on my 2003 Palm T3. If I find a good fit I’ll post it, but would be interested to see if anyone has found the best settings mix. HTC tech support are no help and have little to no understanding of video formats.
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How do i convert the video using Sony Vegas? Ive tried "render to new track" but i cant choose the recomended video/audio settings there.
Noodled24 said:
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I've not installed coreplayer yet ...
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note that the only 2 players at the moment capable of playing video with hardware acceleration are tf3d music player and windows media player.
Guys,
I'm using Super as per this link ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3103846&postcount=394 ) to re-encode my video files for optimum playing on my Touch HD.
However whenever I choose Flash video it shows he output file to be an SWF and not FLV.
I have a later build than that shown in the picture and I can't get it to say FLV.
Can somebody help?
Thanks
EDIT: Scrap that I clicked encode and it gave me the option then...sorry - consider closed
hold up a sec pls.
this is even more of a newb question but..
What if you just want to covert a simple naughty mpg file from limewire etc?
would you still need to buy Coreplayer to get good result?
I'm using the old settings from my n95 atm so any basic settings appreciated.
That's a good question. quite frankly my Artemis was easier to use in terms of video playback...I encoded with PocketDivxEncoder and made the res smaller and job done. However I find lots of videos playing better in ALBUM than in Coreplayer (which is shocking in most flicks to be fair).
I have yet to find a "one size fits all" guide. I grab mostly XVIDs and want to convert them (I'm now downloading 720p rips and I'll see how they convert to FLV)...I converted a 720p trailer to FLV and it's lovely!
oh ok thanks.
I really have read up a bit more on the Wiki or other stickies cos I think I understood about two words of that second paragraph
I just wanna convert some free porn that's all..
If you want the perfect videos for the Touch HD, use this tool:
HTC Touch Video Converter
It has the optimal settings and is very easy to use.
...and it also doesn't give me very good videos to play - I think perhaps it's my source vid?
I used the coverter for more than 100 files already (HDTV and SDTV) and all have very good quality.
One thing is important for playback:
You MUST use Windows Media Player or the HTC Album for playback !
Only these programs can utilize the hardware acceleration and you need it, because the converted files are close to the maximum the HD can play.
If you still don't get good results, I guess you are right and the source file isn't the best.
Maybe you try some other files to see where the problem is.
I've been using the TD2 for almost a week now. Really really happy with it,but I haven't tested any videos yet,though it was one of my major priorities behind buying this phone. Actually I am bit concerned after some reviews of the phone by some websites,they stated the Video playback is not up to the mark(Like-Skipped frames,Sound cracking etc.). If this is true then the large 3.2' screen will make no sense and I would be very SAD. So please vote and input your comments.
BTW-By Video I mean AVI files(either .xvid or .divx encoded) for PC playback(VGA or above quality),please don't say anything about .mp4,3gp and Conversion of videos. Maybe CorePlayer is the option,I don't have it as it's not free.
Thanks in advance.
IME the device on its own barely plays any video formats and doesn't even play them so well. I bought CorePlayer and it plays most things and quite well too. Sometimes you just have to pay for stuff. Shame the UI is a bit ropey though.
convert the video first to smaller resolution..it will be better..and yes coreplayer is my favourite player too..
Without saying anything about certain formats we've been asked not to mention , I have converted some films (they had to be converted, they were DVDs to start with!) and have got to a place where I'm happy, extremely, very slight lip-sync issue, but watchable, and on the 3.2 screen they look great, no issues with Video, just need to get the Audio-Video sync sorted.
BTW-Haven't used an existing files, converted films specifically for TD2 (the ones converted for my XDA Orbit were a bit on the small size due to the screen size.
PS Only use HTC Album to view, WMP doesn't seem to want to play anything I give to it.
I have excellent quality with PocketDivxEncoder to make my movie smaller.
On my TD2/Topaz i use CorePlayer because it's WideScreen.
TCPMP won't run on my phone and WMP doesn't have the codecs.
Ok,so I got one thing-A conversion is a must for higher qualities. But I will not see high qualities/resolution on my TD2,I'll rather choose my 22" HD Dell monitor for that,but I thought I atleast can watch the DVD rips(the popular xvid encoded <=700mb)on my TD2 by Core player or else when I am on the go..haven't had a clear idea about it..anyways thnx for voting.
ithehappy said:
Ok,so I got one thing-A conversion is a must for higher qualities. But I will not see high qualities/resolution on my TD2,I'll rather choose my 22" HD Dell monitor for that,but I thought I atleast can watch the DVD rips(the popular xvid encoded <=700mb)on my TD2 by Core player or else when I am on the go..haven't had a clear idea about it..anyways thnx for voting.
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I'm guessing you are looking for a bit more clear answer, so I will try to give you one. The answer is - YES, you can easily watch DVD rips WITHOUT any conversion, on the go, by Coreplayer of course To me personally, any conversion at all is a misunderstanding. Sure, a phone isnt a PC, but if I pay so much for it, I demand that it can handle unconverted videos. And Topaz really does that very well As an example, I can tell you that I watch a lot of my favourite TV shows and series on the go without any compression, I just download my show (which has a resolution practially the same as DVD) and put it on my SD card. As far as You do not want to watch videos with more than 700x... resolution, you dont even have to convert anything. All in all, I'm very satisfied with my Topaz's video playback capabilities
oh and to be even more clear - all <=700MB xvid encoded movies running superb smoothly, WITHOUT any compression
jgal said:
I'm guessing you are looking for a bit more clear answer, so I will try to give you one. The answer is - YES, you can easily watch DVD rips WITHOUT any conversion, on the go, by Coreplayer of course To me personally, any conversion at all is a misunderstanding. Sure, a phone isnt a PC, but if I pay so much for it, I demand that it can handle unconverted videos. And Topaz really does that very well As an example, I can tell you that I watch a lot of my favourite TV shows and series on the go without any compression, I just download my show (which has a resolution practially the same as DVD) and put it on my SD card. As far as You do not want to watch videos with more than 700x... resolution, you dont even have to convert anything. All in all, I'm very satisfied with my Topaz's video playback capabilities
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Just to be clear, the ripped DVD can't just be a standard file, it has to have been converted first, even if that conversion keeps the resolution and size intact, even Coreplayer can't play vob files.
Coreplayer also doesn't support AC3 audio which is a huge limitation and disappointment This means that any video files with DD are no go.
watched the pilot of Caprica. The file was downloaded for PC viewing. was a Xvid encoded .avi file resoloution 624 x 352 and encoded with 23 fps with a data rate of 133 Kbps (It says 133kbps for audio as well, so I assume that is the total ofr both streams).
Played perfectly on Core player
Thank you guys for voting and commenting. I decided to test the topic by myself. And I am so unlucky to say that I got stunned by it. I copied a .xvid encoded .avi music video file(71mb),24fps,640*352 from my Desktop Pc to the TD2,played it with the CorePlayer 1.30(6213) and the result was TERRIBLE. It just didn't play anything at all. The sound was there but the video lagged all the way. So,what to do now? Huh,I decied that's it,as my major priority was watching video without any conversion has failed and failed so badly,so I am selling it. But except all this I liked it.
Thank you guys,bye.
I think 1.3.2 build 6909 is the current release so maybe the version you are using is a bit old. It should play xVid avis no problem at that resolution. You could alos try the free TCMP from which coreplayer was derived. http://picard.exceed.hu/tcpmp/test/
ithehappy said:
Thank you guys for voting and commenting. I decided to test the topic by myself. And I am so unlucky to say that I got stunned by it. I copied a .xvid encoded .avi music video file(71mb),24fps,640*352 from my Desktop Pc to the TD2,played it with the CorePlayer 1.30(6213) and the result was TERRIBLE. It just didn't play anything at all. The sound was there but the video lagged all the way. So,what to do now? Huh,I decied that's it,as my major priority was watching video without any conversion has failed and failed so badly,so I am selling it. But except all this I liked it.
Thank you guys,bye.
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What was the data rate? My version of Core is older (1.25) and the same res file flew for me. It was a 700MB file for 90 odd minutes of video.
I tried two videos(music),here are the detail:
The First one,(a Taylor Swift video),72mb
The details from my PC- Time-4 mins 37 secs,Resolution 640*352,Audio format-Lame MP3,Audio Bit rate-192kbps and Video Frame rate-23fps/sec, Video Date rate-2099kbps, Video Sample size-24bits, Video compression-FFDS
Now when I tried to play that by Core Player 1.30 on my TD2,it didn't run at all,
Now the details of the Video by Core Player-
Video- AVC aka H.264,Codec-Core AVC and I played it for first 30 seconds and it played 67 frames and Dropped 985 frames,the rate was 1.527
Now the second music video,98.6mb
Resolution-512*384,Runtime-18 mins 57 seconds, Frame rate-23fps/sec,Data rate-710kbps,Video sample size-24bits,Video compression-XVID
Now Core player played this video well,very well infact,the Details by Core player,
Video-MPEG4,Codec-Core ASP,I watched it for first 6 mins and it played 744 frames and dropped 7,Played FPS-23.88
Thanks
I'm guessing that You copied your file to the memory card. If so, did You install SDTuneUp drivers? It looks like they are a must have.
Sir,I don't know what is SD tune up driver and where to install from. BTW-I don't have a memory card on my TD2,it didn't come out of the box and so lazy to buy a seperate one.
hi, I am wondering how the performance is watching football (soccer) highlights from youtube or www.footytube.com , does anyone have any ideas? I have tried this on sony Ericsson w995 and the ball is invisible :s
I know it has been mentioned before but converting using he HTC Touch HD ‘Encoder’ program works well using HTC Album playback on my stock ROM TD2 playing back from the SD Card.
I understand that some of you are resistant to converting files and do not want to go this route but I thought it might help some of those reading this thread that smooth HQ playback from the SD card is absolutely possible without paying any money if you spend the time converting files on a PC (or Mac).
Tony
Hi Folks-
I know there are several threads on video encoding, but I think I am asking something new. I am using the retail version of Winx DVD Ripper which does a nice job overcoming encryption from my store bought DVDs so I can rip to my computer and then transfer to my HD2. Problem is I have workable mp4 files on my computer that I can watch after the process, but I am having mixed success watching them on the HD2.
Just recently, I ripped a nice mp4 version of Avatar that played fine on my computer, but when I transferred it to the phone, it would show the circle for the video player for half a second and then go back to my file explorer. This also happened with Black Hawk Down. I've had success with other movies such as Iron Man, etc. Am I running into some form of copy protection? If so, I'm annoyed as these are 100% retail DVDs I have purchased.
Specific settings for Winx include 800x480 resolution, sound to at least 160, using high resolution mode, even safe mode the second time I ripped Avatar to see if that would help.
Any ideas would be most appreciated, thanks!
Try the HTC Video Encoder. I've encoded 1080p .mkv files with no playback issues on my HD2. It's free, so can't hurt to give it a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
i view my movies using a divx player with no problems at all.
Mike
Try TCPMP player , install it then open the program and hit file than open and select the movie! let me know if this works.
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Try the HTC Video Encoder. I've encoded 1080p .mkv files with no playback issues on my HD2. It's free, so can't hurt to give it a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
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Its just called video encoding GUI (saying htc implies they made it, when they didn't). But yes, I can highly recommend using it.
Also using tcpmp doesn't allow for full hardware acceleration.
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Its just called video encoding GUI (saying htc implies they made it, when they didn't). But yes, I can highly recommend using it.
Also using tcpmp doesn't allow for full hardware acceleration.
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Good to know what player do you recommend?
core player and tcmp player work all the time.. Dix player"sometimes work" but has small keys and audio issues but at least you can adjust sound and timeframe in fullscreen.
I will try the other encoding program. I downloaded pocket divx player and I couldn't figure out how to open up a new file and I tried to follow the directions in the program. Is it possible that I am having a hard time with my mp4 files because I transferred them not via Activesync but by the other option that pops up when you first connect your phone to a computer? Will post in a bit when I try the new encoder.
Edit: Tried the new encoder, but all sorts of error messages when I showed them the contents of my Avatar DVD. I have 33 files on the actual DVD, which ones am I trying to encode?
Don't use the video encoding GUI as it is awfully slow and doesn't even give you a great image quality due to the settings being made suitable for a Touch HD.
Just head over to doom9 and download MeGui. A bit harder to use, but at least you'll be able to encode them in under an hour with great IQ.
Just did an encode of my Avatar Blu-Ray(45Gb) that took a little under an hour and ended up with a 3Gb file with a bitrate of 2453Kbps and max at 10Mbps. Split it into two files of 1500Mb and the HD2 played them like a champ without a stutter in sight.
I also recommend you download eac3to(for audio ripping) and yamb(mp4 splitting).
Will try meGUI, guess people are thinking it has to do with the encoding huh? Even if it works ok on my computer but not HD2?
did you try the tcpmp player?
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Will try meGUI, guess people are thinking it has to do with the encoding huh? Even if it works ok on my computer but not HD2?
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Yes. Just because it plays on the computer doesn't mean it'll play on the phone. Your computer's hardware is substantially "faster" than the HD2's. Optimizing the video through encoding is usually the answer.
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Don't use the video encoding GUI as it is awfully slow and doesn't even give you a great image quality due to the settings being made suitable for a Touch HD.
Just head over to doom9 and download MeGui. A bit harder to use, but at least you'll be able to encode them in under an hour with great IQ.
Just did an encode of my Avatar Blu-Ray(45Gb) that took a little under an hour and ended up with a 3Gb file with a bitrate of 2453Kbps and max at 10Mbps. Split it into two files of 1500Mb and the HD2 played them like a champ without a stutter in sight.
I also recommend you download eac3to(for audio ripping) and yamb(mp4 splitting).
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Oof, this program does look confusing. I'm going to go through the help files and try to get a grasp of it all, but if you have some preset settings or a streamlined bit of advice, I'm all for it. So far I'm trying one-click method and I've been able to show it where the .vob files are and create a directory to place the file and working directory. There is a hick-up with something about the chapter titles and it looks like it needs a file but it shows nothing when I explore my DVD drive. The Megui wiki isn't very clear here...though the program looks promising!
try using dvdfab, select iphone/ipod encoding and after transfer your encoded avatar to your sd card.. i did it like that.
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try using dvdfab, select iphone/ipod encoding and after transfer your encoded avatar to your sd card.. i did it like that.
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Will try this-along with tcmp and will report back.
xeebot said:
Try the HTC Video Encoder. I've encoded 1080p .mkv files with no playback issues on my HD2. It's free, so can't hurt to give it a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112
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wow.... cool app! Thanks for the link!!!
juwan de leon said:
try using dvdfab, select iphone/ipod encoding and after transfer your encoded avatar to your sd card.. i did it like that.
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THANKS! The ---only--- DVD encoder that just worked!
Edit:
Tried Handbrake (couldn't reliably read DVD to burn), Winx DVD Ripper (couldnt play on HD2), couldnt figure out meGUI and the other encoder linked here, and I didn't have to use any other player other than the nice HTC one. Thanks again.
tgerbracht said:
Hi Folks-
I know there are several threads on video encoding, but I think I am asking something new. I am using the retail version of Winx DVD Ripper which does a nice job overcoming encryption from my store bought DVDs so I can rip to my computer and then transfer to my HD2. Problem is I have workable mp4 files on my computer that I can watch after the process, but I am having mixed success watching them on the HD2.
Just recently, I ripped a nice mp4 version of Avatar that played fine on my computer, but when I transferred it to the phone, it would show the circle for the video player for half a second and then go back to my file explorer. This also happened with Black Hawk Down. I've had success with other movies such as Iron Man, etc. Am I running into some form of copy protection? If so, I'm annoyed as these are 100% retail DVDs I have purchased.
Specific settings for Winx include 800x480 resolution, sound to at least 160, using high resolution mode, even safe mode the second time I ripped Avatar to see if that would help.
Any ideas would be most appreciated, thanks!
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A lot of standalone players worldwide need a firmware update to make it work because Avatar BD uses a new encryption scheme called BD+ 5. I recommend u a blu ray ripper named PavTube. I think the Pavtube Blu-Ray Ripper Software is currently the best ripping software and surprisingly it can rip both DVDs & Blu-Ray Discs without the need of having a different Undo-Protection program. I have tried many brands of ripping software with poor results. PavTube Blue-Ray Ripper is a real "Swiss Knife". Download a demo version and you will find it is definitly worth buying.Experience Blu Ray Avatar in the center of your Home Theater System
Under Honeycomb 3.1, playback of some high profile h264 files is now possible. This means it is now possible to convert many high profile MKV files to a format the XOOM will play WITHOUT the time consuming process of re-encoding the video. So for those who hate re-encoding, here is how:
Download and install the freeware app XenonMKV. It will allow one click conversion of a high profile 720p MKV file to an mp4 that the XOOM can play WITHOUT the time consuming process of re-encoding the video. Also it leaves original video quality intact and untouched. Special credit to parrotheadmjb for pointing us to this app.
Advantages of this method:
1. Converts only audio with no loss of video quality - video is untouched only audio and container are changed. No artifacts or distortion added by a video re-encode.
2. Much faster then re-encoding the whole video in something like Handbrake or DVD cat. 40 min TV show converts in about 5-6 min. Two hour movie in 15 to 17 minutes or faster depending on your system.
Disadvantages:
1. Will not work for main and high profile 1080p MKV - use DVDcat or Handbrake for these
2. One click version can be quriky with some videos. Manual tools may work better on these.
Some tips for XenonMKV
Setting aspect ratio manually may be necessary for some videos. Do this if your converted video appears stretched or aspect doesn't match original. I have found that using 16x10 rather than 16x9 works for XOOM even when original is 16x9. Setting 16x9 sometimes gave wrong aspect even when original was 16x9.
There is an option to manually select the audio track for multi-language MKV. Use this if its giving you the wrong audio track.
Alternate method using separate tools is shown below. Usefull for stuff that doesn't convert with Xenon. Harder to setup - not that hard really. Just got to download a lot of pieces and put them in the proper folders. After that you just make shorcuts to the desktops for the 3 tools and you are ready.
Very easy to convert videos once tools with Graphical user interfaces are installed -Just requires three separate manual steps.
1. Demux your video: This can be done using MKVtoolnix + MKVextract GUI
Once this tool is installed, you just load your video and click extract.
You should have a video file with h264 extension and an ac3 audio file.
2. Convert just the ac3 audio file to AAC. This can be done with eac3, but I have a paid copy of Ojosoft Audio converter, and I have been using that to convert the
AC3 audio file to an AAC audio file
With Ojo you just load the AC3 file extracted in step 1, select AAC and go.
3. Using MP4boxGUI, mux the original Video file back together with the new AAC audio file and you are done.
Again super easy. Just load the original video extracted in step one and the new AAC audio file made in step 2 and click mux. That's it.
I have specified GUI versions of all the tools for simplicity, however if you love the command line, have fun.
The whole process takes less about 10 minutes, and produces an MP4 video file with audio that plays back on the XOOM.
Disclaimer: I have just started experimenting with this process. Don't blame me if a particular video doesn't convert. Don't go buing Ojosoft and blaming me if you can't use it for your video. There are free ac3 to AAC converters out there.
Important note: You may need to manually set the fps in MP4boxGUI, don't trust the program to keep the original fps. If you don't know the fps of the original, try 23.976 or download mediainfo. If you don't set it manually, and leave it at default you may get audio sync issues.
Edit: So far have only tested with 720p high profile MKV's but its working very well - finally feel like I can watch videos on my XOOM the way they were intended. Going to convert a large number now and see how many work without problems.
Edit: Can't believe how well this is working. Finally an easy way to convert MKV for XOOM without re-encoding for hours. Even worked on a 720p [email protected] file. Perfect video and audio. Damn! I might stop considering the galaxy tab 10.1.
Nice to hear about this kind of progress and testing =)
now all we need is encoder software that'll copy original video but encode the audio with a simple click... batch processing and maybe copy to device in one go.
doesn't handbrake have a "keep video" setting? =)
looking forward to more tests.
i'm still hoping that when coreplayer for android gets released all our playback woes will be over...
@corecodec: "Subtitles completed for CorePlayer on Android and Windows."
Fred
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I was thinking that too. Would be nice to do it all with one click. But I haven't gotten that far ahead just yet. Now just trying all sorts of videos to see how many work.
But its still not hard once the tools are set up with GUI interfaces. If you just want to download a video and watch it right away without waiting to re-encode the whole thing it's great. I just put the links to the three tools on my desktop and go throught the steps and you can be up watching a movie or TV show in about 10 min after its downloaded.
Theres already a bunch of 1-click tools that will remux it for you.
XenonMKV works great, theres a number of other tools that were made for the xbox 360 that do this since the 360 will play mp4 but not mkv. Try out xenonmkv and see how well that works on the xoom, I haven't tried yet.. I did think about it a few months ago but never got around to it.
edit: also, if you want it to, it'll split the file for you if its >4gb since the file system kinda limits us to 4gb files
Not really a conversion tool but I use Plex (app and server on my PC) and I can stream anything over 3g and WiFi without having to do all this conversion mess. The app costs $5 but its well worth it, there was literally zero setup and my Xoom found my plex server instantly and I was streaming video/music anywhere I was. Obviously for 720 and 1080p videos 3g likely wouldnt be the best but I stream Blu-Ray rips (1080p) over WiFi and it looks and sounds great. I no longer have to convert anything (even plays .mkv's)
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Theres already a bunch of 1-click tools that will remux it for you.
XenonMKV works great, theres a number of other tools that were made for the xbox 360 that do this since the 360 will play mp4 but not mkv. Try out xenonmkv and see how well that works on the xoom, I haven't tried yet.. I did think about it a few months ago but never got around to it.
edit: also, if you want it to, it'll split the file for you if its >4gb since the file system kinda limits us to 4gb files
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Awesome. I was looking for something just like this with no luck, but I downloaded this and tried it with a 720p scene release I had been meaning to watch with great results! Video plays great on the xoom, and it was larger than 4GB (4.1), so I'm unsure about that limit. Thanks, I recommend this for sure!
parrotheadmjb said:
Theres already a bunch of 1-click tools that will remux it for you.
XenonMKV works great, theres a number of other tools that were made for the xbox 360 that do this since the 360 will play mp4 but not mkv. Try out xenonmkv and see how well that works on the xoom, I haven't tried yet.. I did think about it a few months ago but never got around to it.
edit: also, if you want it to, it'll split the file for you if its >4gb since the file system kinda limits us to 4gb files
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Great suggestion - I'm trying XenonMKV right now. Its basically an automated 1click way of performing the steps I outlined above and it seems to be working very well. It looks like we finally have a way of converting and playing MKV files on the XOOM fast and easy without waiting hours to re-encode!! Wow this really changes my opinion of the XOOM.
Tried Xenonmkv out on a 1.2 GB 720p high profile h264 mkv file with ac3 audio. It was able to change the container to mp4 keeping the video quality the same and reencoding the ac3 to aac and remuxing all in less than 5 minutes.
thor17 said:
Tried Xenonmkv out on a 1.2 GB 720p high profile h264 mkv file with ac3 audio. It was able to change the container to mp4 keeping the video quality the same and reencoding the ac3 to aac and remuxing all in less than 5 minutes.
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What settings are you using? I am trying it now and it has been running for 40 minutes. Forgive my ignorance with this video stuff. It seems to be taking just as long as using DVD Catalyst or Handbrake.
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What settings are you using? I am trying it now and it has been running for 40 minutes. Forgive my ignorance with this video stuff. It seems to be taking just as long as using DVD Catalyst or Handbrake.
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Somethings definitely wrong there. Try re-installing - downloading required libraries Nero- visual basic runtimes etc - also watch all the messages it displays as the MKV is being processed and observe what step it gets stuck on - that should give you a clue as to which tool or library is missing. Of course, its also possible you fed it a video it can't handle, for example I wonder whether it can process a file with DTS audio - something like that might make it hang or give an error message.
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Somethings definitely wrong there. Try re-installing - downloading required libraries Nero- visual basic runtimes etc - also watch all the messages it displays as the MKV is being processed and observe what step it gets stuck on - that should give you a clue as to which tool or library is missing. Of course, its also possible you fed it a video it can't handle, for example I wonder whether it can process a file with DTS audio - something like that might make it hang or give an error message.
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I tried a different video file and it worked much faster, 17 minutes. The one that took a long time did say "Detected video or audio codec: A_DTS". Not seeing any error though. If most are around 17 minutes, that is good enough for me.
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I tried a different video file and it worked much faster, 17 minutes. The one that took a long time did say "Detected video or audio codec: A_DTS". Not seeing any error though. If most are around 17 minutes, that is good enough for me.
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That seems about right - a 40 minute 720p MKV takes about 5 or 6 minutes on my computer.
A two hour 720p video takes about 15 minutes. It still takes time to re-encode that much audio, but still far less than something like DVD catalyst or Handbrake. And on a faster computer, I would imagine it would take hardly any time at all.
I assume from your results that the DTS file worked eventually, just took a long time. I was able to convert a two hour DTS file using the manual tools I listed above in conjunction with OjoSoft Audio converter and it took more than 20 minutes, so I gues DTS takes a bit longer than AC3.
Dvdcatalyst 4 seems to be working the best for me. Only 9 buks right now.
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Dvdcatalyst 4 seems to be working the best for me. Only 9 buks right now.
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DVDcatalyst is an excellent program. And until now, was one of the best solutions for converting MKV videos for the XOOM. Only problem is, with DVDcatalyst and Handbrake and similar programs you are re-encoding your entire video - and in the case of DVDcatalyst, to a lower profile, with a potentional loss of quality. Using DVDcatalyst, I have noticed macroblocking and distortion on its fast, and HQ1 settings. And its HQ2 setting takes a very long time.
By re-encoding only the audio, with something like XenonMKV you are leaving the video un-touched with zero loss or change in quality.
Put more simply, DVDcatalyst and Handbrake are doing a tremendous ammount of unnecessary work to convert a video. Work which is no longer necessary under HC 3.1, because it is capable of handling many high profile 720p h264 files now natively, without conversion.
After viewing this posts, i think this is a good idea. but i still don't know how to operate. i usually use Fox Real Xoom video converter to convert mkv to mp4 for playing. i know it is sample, but i don't know if the way Digital Man provides is also simple?
Unless there is a freeware one click solution for this, there is no point for me, I can handbrake Tron bluray in under 20 minutes. Ripping from the disc takes about 10 more.
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oh...your post seems really amazing, but i had took money to buy a xoom video converter. maybe i should watch your post earlier.
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Unless there is a freeware one click solution for this, there is no point for me, I can handbrake Tron bluray in under 20 minutes. Ripping from the disc takes about 10 more.
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Xenonmkv is a freeware one click solution.
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Xenonmkv is a freeware one click solution.
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Ummm what he said.
I think thats the whole point. We now have a one click solution that doesn't require re-encoding. (have to read the whole thread people - its really not that long!) I am not using my original steps anymore either. I am using the batch/folder convert in XenonMKV.
I think I will edit the first post in this thread and add XenonMKV as a better solution. Special thanks to parrotheadmjb for sugesting a one click solution in XenonMKV!
Good work, i kinda gave up on movies on my xoom as dvdcat took so long. Does this support 1080p rips? Is the file size cut down alot?
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