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I used to love this phone very much I can't stand it anymore. My last one treo 680 had was hanging once every 10 calls on an incoming call. Spent numerous hours reading forums trying all kinds of stuff including hard reset and manually inputting every single phonebook item. Nothing it just kept on hanging.
Recently bought a treo pro. Except for the inability to sync with a MacOS which is actually a major shortcoming the phone worked fine... At least until I found those f...in cracks on the phone body mentioned in one of the posts. Shipped to the warranty service which told me that the repair will take between 4-6 weeks. They are probably going to send it with the slowest post service to china and have it repaired there. 6 weeks is more than 10% of the warranty period.
In one word - the worst deal ever.
The second I get this phone back I'm selling it.

Cracks
I also found a little crack and asked them what to do; they arranged a pick-up service and it took about 10 days and I received a new one; so You might hope that it comes back faster (in my case it went to the UK and back).

Cracks...
Since I just happened to stumble upon this post, I might as well add my own little rant about Palm...
I purchase my Treo Pro Oct 31/08. In January I noticed the cracks everyone is talking about.. By the volume there 2 and one by the wireless button.
I live in Canada. The Treo Pro does not sell in Canada so I purchased mine online from the US.
Palm Canada will not honour the warranty because they do not sell it and told me since I purchased it in the US, I would have to speak with Palm US.
Palm US, will not honour the warranty because I do not have a US Shipping location. I do not know anyone in the US. Palm can easily arrange to drop the phone in to one of the many shipments going back and forth to Palm Canada but decided to tell me that it's my problem. Well. Nice Customer service. I spent $500 plus dollars for their phone, Palm could care a less about their customer, even when they know that the Cracks are a known issue.
Let me say one more thing here. The phone is made by HTC. The last phone I purchased was an HTC as well - The Vogue. You know, The one with the MSM-7500 Chipset with the Imageon (Missing) driver issue? One of the many HTC phones which HTC decided not to include the driver for? (See here.. http://www.htcclassaction.org/)
To say the least, I am a little pissed at HTC as well as Palm for dropping the ball in both cases. I will think very hard about the Pre, or any HTC products in the future (not).

In the meantime its has been already 5 weeks. Palm keeps saying that the phone is not ready yet. Isn't there like a maximum reparation time after which they must refund?

Bought a DVD player from Panasonic once. Since it had some problems I think we have to add them to the list of worst company as well
I tried numerous Palm devices wich worked just fine. With and without all the tweaking I do on devices.
Noticed a stuck pixel on my Palm Pro and Palm is going to repair it. So that's actually a plus since my old SPV e200 wasn't repaired and had the same problem..
I hope an admin is going to close this useless thread..

I have a Treo 750 and sofar im happy with it. I got it as a used phone but it was in a real good condition.

I had Treo 650,680,750 and now I have Treo Pro, and Centro as a second phone.
Only 650 I had to replace, it was unstable. The second one was OK.
I still believe, the PalmOS was the best mobile system - superfast response, simple interface, even my wife understood it . Today, I would crash the Treo Pro to the ground waiting for something to appear sometimes. But I still like this form factor and would not buy another phone.

What would you do? Should I go for Handset 5?

I'm on my 4th Hero now. This one has hot pixels. There's quite a number of them, probably more than my initial estimate of 15.
This gets convoluted now so bear with me. Of those pixels I would say that I see about 6 of them when watching tv in bed at night with my glasses off when the screen is displaying very dark colours. I'm pretty short sighted and put the phone really close to my face to watch stuff. In normal day to day use I don't see them. I might even have difficulty showing you anything but the two worst ones. Even those would require me to bring up a black screen to contrast with. And they're not in the middle of the screen.
Despite these pixels, of the 4 Hero's I've had this is the best one I've had. My last one had a bigger pixel problem, while there were fewer problem pixels they were more noticeable and right in the middle of the screen.
I contacted HTC about it by email and they said to contact them about a repair. I rang them just now to ask about it and the guy on the phone said they could not guarantee no hot pixels after repair and that he thought the best thing to do was get another replacement, he also said that he thought I'd probably get a refurbished phone as opposed to mine being fixed if HTC did it. He said that a new phone is always the best option.
If I could go to a store and swap it then that would be great. But I can't and Orange insist on couriering me a phone over. This means I can't check the phone before giving my old one back. I tried to do this last time and the courier flat out refused to give me the replacement before I had given him the old one. Apparently he had someone take the new phone and then slam the door in his face, meaning they had both phones!
Anyway, If I knew I'd get a better phone, I'd be happy to go for either replacement by Orange or repair by HTC. As it is I feel that the odds are stacked against me (this is my 4th, remember) and that I should maybe just be accepting of what I've got.
For anyone who'd bullishly just demand a replacement until they got a perfect phone I'd suggest that you consider that Orange aren't going to keep replacing the phone and that HTC's man said that they wouldn't guarantee a defect free phone. This could go on forever. Looking at this forum it seems that there are enough hardware problems for my problem to be relatively insignificant. Everything else is fine.
So yeah, what would you do? To sum up: Minor persistent annoyance vs potential for greater annoyance.

If it has that many dead pixels then its past what they (HTC) consider acceptable in their policy. In that case it is 'faulty'.
You should really be thinking of it like 'why on earth do you keep giving me faulty phones, get this sorted because i'm getting fed up with this' instead of 'err sorry could i please have another replacement'. Its their fault not yours!
The only down side to another replacement, like you say, is that it may have other problems they dont consider a fault. In any case since you got it online (right?), worst case you could just send the whole lot back and start again with another carrier.
Personally if i had issues like that with a phone, it would bug the hell out of me every time i noticed them, and i'd be kicking myself for not returning it.
15 dead pixels on such a low resolution screen is pretty rediculous. I'm begining to wonder if they are using cheap screens or something,

Can't find any pixel issues on mine. And would have it replaced if there were
, as I did with the Tocco a year ago.
Bought mine straight from HTC though.

kam187 said:
If it has that many dead pixels then its past what they (HTC) consider acceptable in their policy. In that case it is 'faulty'.
You should really be thinking of it like 'why on earth do you keep giving me faulty phones, get this sorted because i'm getting fed up with this' instead of 'err sorry could i please have another replacement'. Its their fault not yours!
The only down side to another replacement, like you say, is that it may have other problems they dont consider a fault. In any case since you got it online (right?), worst case you could just send the whole lot back and start again with another carrier.
Personally if i had issues like that with a phone, it would bug the hell out of me every time i noticed them, and i'd be kicking myself for not returning it.
15 dead pixels on such a low resolution screen is pretty rediculous. I'm begining to wonder if they are using cheap screens or something,
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Yeah, I agree man, I think I've got a right to a phone that works properly. However the practicality of it all is that I might not be able to get one. I can't get out of the contract now (7 days is all the time you get) and for the reasons stated earlier it might not be the best decision to chance a worse phone. I'm really in two minds about this but I'm just not sure how many good ones there are out there and how many bad ones there are.

Well... Number five is due tomorrow. Pray for me guys.

Hero number 4 from Mobliefun is due this week and in the interim I have ordered another from Devicewire. I'll have 2 to choose from, so I'll end up sending back either, or both.
Shame I have to go to these lengths just to get a defect free device but to these lengths I shall go.

Dead pixels
Every brand as a dead pixels policy. What HTC's? Some other member posted it at: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=2909106
a) three dead pixels anywhere on the screen or
b) two continuous dead pixels
If that's the case, you just need to send the phone back and get a new one. If it takes the 6th phone...just ask for a refund and buy it elsewhere. This reminds me of my 1st HDD I bought...the store replaced it for 5 times only to find out that the entire box was filled with damaged HDD's.

What I want to know is what exactly is the problem with the manufacturing process on these handsets? If you get a good one, it's amazing but how few and far between are they?
Dead pixels, gaps etc... you shouldn't be getting that on a high end device.
The last time I had problems like this was dust under the screen on my SE P800!

tatwamasi said:
Yeah, I agree man, I think I've got a right to a phone that works properly. However the practicality of it all is that I might not be able to get one. I can't get out of the contract now (7 days is all the time you get) and for the reasons stated earlier it might not be the best decision to chance a worse phone. I'm really in two minds about this but I'm just not sure how many good ones there are out there and how many bad ones there are.
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The whole transaction is for the contract AND phone. Efectively you have not received a working phone yet. They have replaced it and replaced it. The 7 days deadline doesnt really apply here. The goods they supplied were faulty and you have full legal rights to ask for a replacement, use your waranty, or ask for a total refund for upto 2 years in fact in the EU.. and 6 years in the UK.
The crucial point is the goods were defective at the point of sale.

I'm fairly certain that the contract doesn't include the handset which is why the people who recently got out of their Orange contracts early didn't have to return their handsets. Thanks all the same though.

It definitely is. The people who got out of their contract took advantage of the terms and conditions/law regarding contracts, and the changing/breach of that contract.

Yeah it definatly includes the handset.
The reason they were allowed to keep their handset was because of the terms of the contract. It was set that way because after purchase the handset belongs to you regardless of the contract term. Its legally dificult for them to tie the contract month by month to the handset because then it would become a kind of lease/purchase asset. This is also the reason why you can request a FREE unlock code after the first x months. The fee is just an admin charge, they're not actually alowed to charge you for the unlock code itself.
Anyway I'm not saying you _should_ send it all back, but that you _can_ if you want to.

It must be a faulty batch. I have only ever had 1 dead pixel on an HTC phone before, the original I-Mate Jam, and Expansys sent me a replacement immediately I mentioned it.
I got my second Hero yesterday (dropped my first in a coffee, dont ask..) and thankfully both of them were defect free. White, unbranded, no screen gap, build quality or LED issues.
Of course, I got mine as an import here in Hong Kong, so the sourcing batch is likely to be very different from Expanys UK or any UK Telco.
Bottom line as other people have said is that the phone does not work as advertised, it is not defect free. You wouldnt accept a new car or CD Player with a big scratch down the side. This is just the same, except worse, as the screen is not just aesthetics, but an integral part of the experience.
Get it replaced until it is right.
Huge pain, I know, and so frustrating.. I really sympathise.

2 hot pixels, gap above the screen and new for phone number 5: backlight bleed at the edges of the screen.
Go HTC!

Send it back mate. Consider buying outright or switching provider at least, that batch is goosed for sure.
I'm awaiting my 4th, should be here in the next couple hours.

God it makes my issue of a gap in the top of the screen seem rather insignificant! Dude you are having some serious bad look with these handsets. Get on to HTC and kick off.
If any sub standard handsets are making it in to the hands of consumers any company worth its salt should be concerned and by the same token be prepared to do something about it.
It may be worth highlighting the fact that they are receiving some bad press on a very reputable forum within the smartphone community as nothing travels faster than word of mouth!

Just got my 4th. I have 1 hot pixel which actually may be a speck of dust, it's hard to tell., but it's practically invisible. Also have a screen gap- the tiny variety which isn't noticeable until you get a bright light reflecting off that copper component at the right angle.
Still not perfect but I'll wait and see what the other one I'm waiting for is like. I'll keep the best one. I'm starting to wonder if almost the whole UK batch is dodgy...
To those who have perfect (white sim-free) handsets please tell me where you got them?

crash_194 said:
God it makes my issue of a gap in the top of the screen seem rather insignificant! Dude you are having some serious bad look with these handsets. Get on to HTC and kick off.
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I'd love to, anyone know how to address them? There's no point contacting the phone numbers or support addresses on their website as the guys there have no power to do anything but say "why not try resetting your phone? If that doesn't work, return it to Orange or we can repair it for you"

Ha! Now that I examine Hero number 4 in the evening out of bright sunlight, the screen is splattered with dust or stuck pixels. There is also light bleeding out from the screen gap.
Hero number 5 soon...
I'm getting pretty pissed off. What's most annoying is that I'll send back 100 Heros before I settle for a different handset!

How come you guys are on your 4th and 5th handsets? It soley down to the dead pixels? I had 2 and neither had any dead pixels

Stuck buttons

Hi
My imagio Start and back keys are stuck!!!
anyone else with the same problem!!!

Stuck Buttons
This is an issue with the Imagio. The only real fix is to have VZ send a replacement.
There has been a discusion on it here at PPC
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=99190
And, if you look on the VZ forums there are more people talking about this.

mally2 said:
Hi
My imagio Start and back keys are stuck!!!
anyone else with the same problem!!!
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yeah- like the guy said- a whole thread dedicated to the subject. and then you find out that even though you pay for insurance instead of getting a new phone they send you someone else's old phone that was broke and they fixed for you. nice. when my end button got stuck down i ended up ripping it off and fooling with it until it unstuck. had to use a little adhesive (totally lame) to make the cover stay on the actual button. definitely does not work as good. after that i started looking into all the ways i could to avoid using those buttons.
xda shutdown.
volume app's.
etc.

Mine stuck within the first 30 days so I made them give me another brand new one. They tried the certified like new thing with me but I wouldn't accept that. It did take a fair amount of *****ing on my part before they gave in.
Why would I pay for something new that doesn't last a month and accept a refurb?
So my point is, if your phone breaks soon after you bought it, don't accept anything less.
Also, I'm on my 3rd one. Verizon's policy after the 3rd one within a year is to get you into something different that's new and of "equal value" if you want. However, they will not openly tell you that unless you insist on it.

I'm on #2 and I am tossed between using the buttons as little as possible or as much as possible.

Added to Wiki
Hi guys, have just referenced this issue and thread in the Wiki. Hopefully some more travellers will find the info and offer some assistance.

freakin buttons
My wife and I both have Imagios. I have had mine replaced once already the buttons on the replacemnet are stuck and a new one is on the way. The buttons on my wife's are now stuck and she has a replacement on the way.
Verizon is telling me that they no longer let you get a different phone after 3 replacements. I would yell and complain, but what phone do they have thats better?

Add me to the list. Windows button decided to get stuck last night. I will say that it was particularly cold (36F) and I had been outside for some time, thus making the device fairly cold. When I depressed the button, I noticed that it was hesitant to move, then made an quiet yet audible *click* and that was that. I have a feeling that the defect lies in the membrane beneath the button and when exposed to cold, it becomes inflexible and cracks. I'm debating whether to actually go to the VZW store or call the customer service. If I actually go to the store, will they likely give me a new device (if stocked) or do they have refurbs in the store? So long as the refurb is in brand-new condition, it doesn't matter to me as I have a feeling this will just happen again. While I love this phone, I'm hoping warmer days will make this a non-issue. In any case, it's a bit of a bummer when virtually every day I have impromptu debates with a droid owner about who's phone is better. Last night, I lost.

gilbenl said:
Add me to the list. Windows button decided to get stuck last night. I will say that it was particularly cold (36F) and I had been outside for some time, thus making the device fairly cold. When I depressed the button, I noticed that it was hesitant to move, then made an quiet yet audible *click* and that was that. I have a feeling that the defect lies in the membrane beneath the button and when exposed to cold, it becomes inflexible and cracks. I'm debating whether to actually go to the VZW store or call the customer service. If I actually go to the store, will they likely give me a new device (if stocked) or do they have refurbs in the store? So long as the refurb is in brand-new condition, it doesn't matter to me as I have a feeling this will just happen again. While I love this phone, I'm hoping warmer days will make this a non-issue. In any case, it's a bit of a bummer when virtually every day I have impromptu debates with a droid owner about who's phone is better. Last night, I lost.
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I am with you on the debate. I want to yell at Verizon to make them let me get out of this phone, but I wouldn't know what to get. I actually like this phone a lot. I like that I can goof around with it and possibly get android on it in the future.

mikebbass said:
I am with you on the debate. I want to yell at Verizon to make them let me get out of this phone, but I wouldn't know what to get. I actually like this phone a lot. I like that I can goof around with it and possibly get android on it in the future.
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would be like able to get replacement buttons on ebay.... so i can fix them myself... LOL i cant send it back to verizon i live in india!!! sis gave me this phone as a gift

mally2 said:
would be like able to get replacement buttons on ebay.... so i can fix them myself... LOL i cant send it back to verizon i live in india!!! sis gave me this phone as a gift
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any info
can i get replacemnt on ebay

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any info
can i get replacemnt on ebay
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**** my send key is now stuck,..... though it works on pressure!!! damn!!!!! can i get replacement keys anywhre

If you have proof of purchase (IE original packaging,maybe a receipt), it may be worthwhile to contact HTC directly. I would assume that the phone was purchased w/o a plan and/or you're not a current VZW customer anyway. I would assume then that any defect/warranty issues would default to the manufacturer. I believe HTC has a 90-day warranty.

Hi
i tried conatcting local HTC india ,.,.,. they cant help.... can i get replacement on ebay or anywhere ... plssss its urgent

stuck buttons avoidance
I have a solution that seems to have ensured I don't have this problem. I placed a screen protector from my mp3 player across the buttons (since most screen protectors for the imagio only cover just the screen itself), and then using an xacto knife i carefully cut the excess mp3-screen protector around the outside edge of the send and end button and along the bottom of all the buttons such that the remaining film secures all the buttons together.
This seems to have some effect in stabilizing the buttons and making sure nothing snags on them or prys on them and it seems to keep my phone from having the problem reported here. I've had mine on for at least 3 months and not a single button problem.

yatman60 said:
I have a solution that seems to have ensured I don't have this problem. I placed a screen protector from my mp3 player across the buttons (since most screen protectors for the imagio only cover just the screen itself), and then using an xacto knife i carefully cut the excess mp3-screen protector around the outside edge of the send and end button and along the bottom of all the buttons such that the remaining film secures all the buttons together.
This seems to have some effect in stabilizing the buttons and making sure nothing snags on them or prys on them and it seems to keep my phone from having the problem reported here. I've had mine on for at least 3 months and not a single button problem.
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Hi
well thats great!!! not sure what i can do now unless i get replacement buttons on ebay or any online stores

What exactly did HTC say?...They warranty these phones for one year, and they were released in october, so its not out of their hardware warranty period.
Is the ESN on this phone valid? Something isn't adding up here.

gilbenl said:
What exactly did HTC say?...They warranty these phones for one year, and they were released in october, so its not out of their hardware warranty period.
Is the ESN on this phone valid? Something isn't adding up here.
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Hi
The problem is i got the phone from my sister who lives in US.... i live in INDIA!!! bangalore to be precise!!! So HTC say they wont help.... my sis will be back after 6 months... LOL
Ps whats ESN... is tht the IMEI!!!! well its GSM unlocked thats as far as i know

Here's an idea: Call HTC USA and pretend you're wherever your sister lives in the US. Explain the issue (leaving out the bought as gift, sent to india part) and then when they say they'll fix it (which, if the phone isn't stolen or otherwise they will) send it to your sis in the US and have her send it to HTC from a US address. I'm sure with the large number of questionable phones floating around india/asia they're hesitant to replace it. When in doubt, lie. You purchased a product and you deserve coverage. Don't let their resistance stop you; you're certainly not doing anything illegal, simply circumventing their "security" measures.

Spam taken care of, not linking to topic to help him spread his 'cause'.

**Current DELL Policy regarding BROKEN Gorillaglass**

I have a dell streak with a screen that is cracked.
I had it in my pocket and when i pulled it out the screen had cracked clear across the smaller width. its about 1/3 of the way down the device.
the lcd functions fine, but im not going to use it after I saw the youtube vids of broken lcds...
So Officially ( as I just talked to customer support), Dell has decided that the device screen falls outside of warranty, and that there are ZERO repair options at the current time. They are also 'real sorry' about the fact that I still have a monthly mobile bill and no way to stop it. Hope fully I can pay AT&T in sorrys next month.
They took my Service Tag, and gave me a ticket# for when i hear that repair options are available. So I have to make sure I keep listening real good!
The Uniform Commercial Code Article 2 dictates contractual terms for the sale of goods.All goods carry with them an implied warranty of merchantability/fitness unless disavowed. Products may be returned within a "commercially reasonable period of time." That period of time is determined through trade usage, custom, course of dealing, and course of performance.
You'd think that putting a phone in your pocket would fall under normal course of performance...

Warranties are meant to cover manufacturer defects. The glass breaking due to it being in your pocket is not a defect. Gorilla glass is marketed to be stronger not indestructible.

kou5oku said:
I have a dell streak with a screen that is cracked.
I had it in my pocket and when i pulled it out the screen had cracked clear across the smaller width. its about 1/3 of the way down the device.
the lcd functions fine, but im not going to use it after I saw the youtube vids of broken lcds...
So Officially ( as I just talked to customer support), Dell has decided that the device screen falls outside of warranty, and that there are ZERO repair options at the current time. They are also 'real sorry' about the fact that I still have a monthly mobile bill and no way to stop it. Hope fully I can pay AT&T in sorrys next month.
They took my Service Tag, and gave me a ticket# for when i hear that repair options are available. So I have to make sure I keep listening real good!
The Uniform Commercial Code Article 2 dictates contractual terms for the sale of goods.All goods carry with them an implied warranty of merchantability/fitness unless disavowed. Products may be returned within a "commercially reasonable period of time." That period of time is determined through trade usage, custom, course of dealing, and course of performance.
You'd think that putting a phone in your pocket would fall under normal course of performance...
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DEMAND TO TALK TO A SUPERVISOR. tELL THEM THERE IS NOT A SCRATCH ON THE PHONE OR THE GORILLA GLASS. THAT IS THE KEY. THERE IS NOT A SCRATCH OR CRACK ON THE GORILLA GLASS. JUST THE LCD IS CRACKED. IT HAPPENED TO ME. THE LADY I SPOKE TO TOLD ME THE SAME THING. I TOLD HER I SPENT 550 BUCKS ON SOMETHING THAT LASTED 20 DAYS I AM WILLING TO SPEND THE WHOLE DAY ON THE PHONE AND I WASNT GOING TO TAKE HER ANSWER AS THE FINAL WORD. I TOLD HER I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH SOMEONE HIGHRER UP. 15 MINUTES LATER THE SUPERVISOR WAS TAKING MY INFORMATION TO SEND ME A REPLACEMENT PHONE. I RECIEVED THE PHONE 2DAYS LATER. A SATISFIED CUSTOMER. DO NOT GIVE UP. DEMAND A SUPERVISOR. GOOD LUCK
Could you please refrain from writing in Capitals please

I checked with att before i got my streak, they said that their ins covered the phone. If you still can you can put insuence on the phone and make a claim if all else fails.
Sent from my Dell Streak using XDA App

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DEMAND TO TALK TO A SUPERVISOR. tELL THEM THERE IS NOT A SCRATCH ON THE PHONE OR THE GORILLA GLASS. THAT IS THE KEY. THERE IS NOT A SCRATCH OR CRACK ON THE GORILLA GLASS. JUST THE LCD IS CRACKED. IT HAPPENED TO ME. THE LADY I SPOKE TO TOLD ME THE SAME THING. I TOLD HER I SPENT 550 BUCKS ON SOMETHING THAT LASTED 20 DAYS I AM WILLING TO SPEND THE WHOLE DAY ON THE PHONE AND I WASNT GOING TO TAKE HER ANSWER AS THE FINAL WORD. I TOLD HER I WANTED TO SPEAK WITH SOMEONE HIGHRER UP. 15 MINUTES LATER THE SUPERVISOR WAS TAKING MY INFORMATION TO SEND ME A REPLACEMENT PHONE. I RECIEVED THE PHONE 2DAYS LATER. A SATISFIED CUSTOMER. DO NOT GIVE UP. DEMAND A SUPERVISOR. GOOD LUCK
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kou5oku, how did the glass break in the first place? I hate to tell you that I completely agree with mandarb77 about this not being under warranty.
As for martywix, I hate people like you. You are the reason most call center associates want to shoot themselves after a days work. All you just stated (in full caps none the less) was that if you cry and complain enough a company will cave in, giving you a product to get you off their back. Hell you practically yelled your message above.
Although this is extremely unfortunate (not to mention expensive), I think you have to take a loss and buy a new phone. Or be like every other American and cry enough to a point that the company finds you pathetic and caves.
Decisions decisions...

Not being warrenty is one thing, not being able to repair it for money is just
I broke mine. Well I didn't. The train moved very fast to the right and the device fell from the table to the floor while I wasn't there.
The touchscreen and LCD works, no harm. But the glass is broken in about every peace there can be (I guess 100 or so). I have had an iPhone for years (all but the 3GS). And yes it fell to the floor one time or another (thorugh my fault) and there was not a single scratch. Nor was there with any other device (HTC, Motorola whatsoever).
And if Dell's going to tell me they can't repair it (even for money) I will go crazy.
Why? It's just unbelievable that they sell phones they aren't able to repair (and the phones out for 3 months).
If I sell it now (repaired) it will go for 500-600€. If I sell it in 6 months (after being repaired) it will sell for 300-400€. That's 200€ minus cause Dell isn't able to replace the glass?
I will ask for legal advice if necessary. This is just bull.
I'm so mad and totally afraid to call and hear such a bull****.
And a device, which is being damaged the hard way in an Engadget video and then breaking so easily... That's just a total lie. This test device never ever has the same glass/screen as those being sold after. Never ever. If you watch the Engadget video and quite a lot reports on many forums that the screen broke, you can ask yourself if this is always the customer.
Cheaply produced glass.

zwuncki said:
Not being warrenty is one thing, not being able to repair it for money is just .
I broke mine. Well I didn't. The train moved very fast to the right and the device fell from the table to the floor while I wasn't there.
The touchscreen and LCD works, no harm. But the glass is broken in about every peace there can be (I guess 100 or so). I have had an iPhone for years (all but the 3GS). And yes it fell to the floor one time or another (thorugh my fault) and there was not a single scratch. Nor was there with any other device (HTC, Motorola whatsoever).
And if Dell's going to tell me they can't repair it (even for money) I will go crazy.
Why? It's just unbelievable that they sell phones they aren't able to repair (and the phones out for 3 months).
If I sell it now (repaired) it will go for 500-600€. If I sell it in 6 months (after being repaired) it will sell for 300-400€. That's 200€ minus cause Dell isn't able to replace the glass?
I will ask for legal advice if necessary. This is just bull.
I'm so mad and totally afraid to call and hear such a bull****.
And a device, which is being damaged the hard way in an Engadget video and then breaking so easily... That's just a total lie. This test device never ever has the same glass/screen as those being sold after. Never ever. If you watch the Engadget video and quite a lot reports on many forums that the screen broke, you can ask yourself if this is always the customer.
Cheaply produced glass.
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Consider this your FIRST and Final Warning.....

Muo said:
kou5oku, how did the glass break in the first place? I hate to tell you that I completely agree with mandarb77 about this not being under warranty.
As for martywix, I hate people like you. You are the reason most call center associates want to shoot themselves after a days work. All you just stated (in full caps none the less) was that if you cry and complain enough a company will cave in, giving you a product to get you off their back. Hell you practically yelled your message above.
Although this is extremely unfortunate (not to mention expensive), I think you have to take a loss and buy a new phone. Or be like every other American and cry enough to a point that the company finds you pathetic and caves.
Decisions decisions...
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Why is it if you forget to turn the cap lock off people assume you are yelling. I love it when i try to help a fellow streak owner get satisfaction from a product he paid good money for. Lets get real the screen breaking from putting it in our pockets, the same thing happened to me. Sorry I have had other HTC and Sony phones and have carried all in my pocket and have never had a problem. Also I didn't cry about it. I spoke with a supervisor in the mobile dept. and she actually said this has been a problem with the device. The gorilla glass is strong but unfortunaly the LCD is not. That is why she asked if the gorilla glass was not broken or scratched. If the gorilla glass is damaged then they will not replace. Sorry I paid good money and will not get the brush from someone at the call center who has never seen the device let alone know about the screen. Funny in the HD2 forum peole actually were thankful for help...Hope you don't keep it in your pocket.

Muo said:
kou5oku, how did the glass break in the first place? I hate to tell you that I completely agree with mandarb77 about this not being under warranty.
As for martywix, I hate people like you. You are the reason most call center associates want to shoot themselves after a days work. All you just stated (in full caps none the less) was that if you cry and complain enough a company will cave in, giving you a product to get you off their back. Hell you practically yelled your message above.
Although this is extremely unfortunate (not to mention expensive), I think you have to take a loss and buy a new phone. Or be like every other American and cry enough to a point that the company finds you pathetic and caves.
Decisions decisions...
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I believe this is your post about the screen cracking :
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7987943&postcount=5
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Muo 3rd September 2010, 06:47 PM
ReTweet this post# 5I could most definitely see potential screen crack if it was sitting in your pocket.
Of coarse try and get a replacement, you have nothing to lose!
I do what flumps recommends:
Originally Posted by flumps
- treat phone like a newborn baby"
Why would you give the same advice as me but here have a problem with it...?

martywix said:
Why is it if you forget to turn the cap lock off people assume you are yelling.
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Because I read for most of my day with proper capitalization, cap lock reads like you are yelling.
martywix said:
Lets get real the screen breaking from putting it in our pockets, the same thing happened to me. Sorry I have had other HTC and Sony phones and have carried all in my pocket and have never had a problem.
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Yes lets get real, the Streak's screen breaking from putting it in our pocket is very likely. A 5in screen will flex on your thigh. You cannot compare it to an HTC or Sony Ericsson phone as they do not have a 5in device.
martywix said:
Also I didn't cry about it.
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I did not mean literally cry about it. I was merely metaphorically relating your "DEMAND" and stubbornness to be "WILLING TO SPEND THE WHOLE DAY ON THE PHONE" to that of a child, who at times do cry.
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Why would you give the same advice as me but here have a problem with it...?
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That quote is taken out a context and does not apply for this situation. brycestejskal had stated in his post that dell offered a replacement or a refund.
kou5oku on the other hand said that there was no replacement or refund offered as well as no way to repair it.

Plenty of people have broken the screens of other makes of phone before, a quick look on eBay will prove that. As has been said above and many times before here and elsewhere a smaller phone will site easier in your pocket than a Streak, you cannot expect something the size this thing is to survive the flexing it will take in a tight pocket, use some common sense.
Forgot to turn the caps lock off? Nobody types line after line and then hits the post button without ever looking at what they've written. Typing in capitals is shouting, if you're going to do it at least have the gonads to own up to it.

In fairness Gorilla glass will bend almost as much as acrylic before breaking, its reasonable to expect the LCD to crack LONG before the gorilla glass.
As for the 'no repair option' thing, that unforgivable, a company the size of Dell should not release a device they cannot repair, its ridiculous. My understanding is that the Streak is made by BenQ not Dell, but even so, it should have service backup from launch.

Gentlemen, good evening.
Having stumbled upon this thread, may i respectfully request that you refrain from shouting, flaming, trolling and the use of bad language.
I can understand frustrations of breaking ones device, but there is no need to take this frustration out on other members......remember, respect other members (see my sig).
I think that everyone can now move on. I have taken the liberty of tidying this thread up so do not be offended if your post has been altered or deleted, we have over 2.7 million people who frequent this site and therefore we have a wider audience to consider.
Thank you for your understanding and co-operation and please show support for your forum moderator; he is here voluntarily to help you (as am I) and to keep xda a better place.
Greetz,
Tim.

I have also fallen pray to the pocket of death for the Dell Streak. I understand where they are coming from the no replacement policy and no refund policy, but not being able to repair my streak for a price because "Dell does not have a department in place yet to handle such a problem." Everyone I talked to told me that exact same thing. The worst part is I just received my unlock code from At&t so I could finally use it on Rogers in Canada.
But the whole whining and crying thing, I think I might have to do that. Because if they are not willing to take my money to fix my Streak, then I will "cry" to get a new one. A previous post said it was like a little child whining, well I am looking at this way, "Manning up to it" doesn't get my Streak fixed or a replacement. "Manning up" puts me down $1200 (for the first phone and the second one to replace), if I look at that way "crying like a child" wins.

Digitizer Replacement saga- I bet this is how all refurbs are done

Earlier this year I got an Evo (HW 004, Epson screen) off eBay, no contract, no TEP, no ERP, and have used it pretty hard for a few months now. I have already cracked and replaced the camera lens glass cover disc of glass thingie with a kit also bought on eBay, so when the digitizer started getting progressively worse in recent days I basically said fine I'm perfectly willing to go DIY again.
Everyone says just replace the LCD screen and digitizer together as a unit so you don't fiddle around separating the bad digitizer from the good LCD screen and all that adhesive drama. Let's say approx $30 for just the digitizer, $80 for both, these days. To me, if the phone costs $2000 to own over two years, I don't really care about a few bucks here and there, so either method would work for me.
But while researching this issue on XDA I found quite a few people who persuaded either Sprint ($35) or HTC ($6 S&H) to do it for them.
So I figured why not drop in to the nearest Authorized Sprint Repair Center which happens to be very near where I live.
I get to the repair tech window and tell the guy I'm just asking him for advice. I say right up front this phone is rooted, I got it off eBay, I got no insurance of any kind etc. I just ask him what are my options?
He offers to replace both digitizer and LCD screen for $35. On the spot. Only I'll have to pay in cash because "their computers are down".
I say right on let's rock. His methodology is very straightforward. In plain view of God and everyone he just turns around to the counter behind him and starts rooting through all the returned phones lying around (they're all in these big envelopes, like in the old days of processing rolls of film, yeah i know lol I'm that old whatever) until he finds an Evo that he knows he saw earlier. I guess he's assuming that the Evo he's cannibalizing wasn't being returned because of a faulty digitizer or screen. Real master of probability theory, this guy.
He determines that the screen on whatever Evo he came up with has "the narrow cable" and then he cracks mine open (in like four seconds- I'm pretty sure I would have spent a good 30 minutes making sweet love to my phone with a pry tool to get to the same point- maybe DIY is not really such a bargain after all if your time is worth anything) and determines mine has "the fat cable". So no donor match for me. He puts it back together, hands it back and says to come back tomorrow because he just got ten new Evo's in from the factory for customers who have been waiting to get their phones back. Once they have returned to the store to pick up their replacements he'll have plenty of Evos to work with. He figures at least two of them will have "the fat cable".
I imagine this is how refurbs are done in general: Find out what the customer is complaining about, grab the relevant parts from a phone that a *different* customer was complaining about, and hope they weren't complaining about the same thing.

Given the circumstances (rooted phone bought off ebay) and the fact that he wanted you to pay cash because the "computers were down" I have a feeling this might not be how all repairs are handled... probably just the ones that are done "off the books" by that particular repair guy.

Pretty sure this is how they handle the repairs. I had my screen replaced once, and got it back with a crack by the volume buttons and power button. When I confronted the tech, he told me the screens are not new, but "harvested parts".

I had the same thing done to my phone. I had the "B spot" on my original HW003 and he replaced it with a used screen, which had another small white blotch in the screen. About 2 weeks later he received a brand new screen from HTC and put it on my phone. Been running that screen ever since.

bryank930 said:
Pretty sure this is how they handle the repairs. I had my screen replaced once, and got it back with a crack by the volume buttons and power button. When I confronted the tech, he told me the screens are not new, but "harvested parts".
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Same thing happened to me when I was going through my "refurb phase" trying to get a decent replacement. Sprint sent me a refurb that the screen was cracked out of the package. I took it to the store, the guy ripped it open in about 5 seconds, rummaged around a box of spare evo parts, and put a new screen on it. He gave it back to me 5 minutes later. This new screen was scratched to hell, the bezel around the screen was scratched to hell from him ripping the phone open, and the volume keys didnt work, I assume because he didnt put it together correctly. He told me that's how they do it, and that even though the "new" screen he put on had scratches, to sprint that was considered a new screen. It then took me about 4 hours arguing with the manager and on the phone with retentions to get them to get me another device.

Well, I went back to the guy for the replacement, and at the end of it all, either things got a whole lot shadier or a whole lot *less* shady, I can't tell: after he did the job (10 minutes, while-u-wait), he then wrote down my phone #, MEID and IMSI on a post it note before he gave me the phone back.
But there are a few things he said that make me think I misjudged the guy, like how I might receive a call from Sprint asking if I was satisfied with their customer service etc, how he does actually test the screen before he puts it in to make sure he's not swapping out one bad screen with another, and of course the post-it note ritual itself.
Of course this time there were other customers present, so maybe that was all for show and the post it note just went straight to the bottom of a trash can somewhere.
Anyways I paid in cash as previously arranged and walked out the door one happy person. What he did afterwards I don't know, and hopefully won't ever need to care.
Bottom line, digitizer is replaced (and as a nice side effect i no longer have to live with a couple pretty deep scratches on the old glass, even if the bezel is a little more nicked up than my old one), and the phone has never worked better.
[EDIT : just got a series of automated questions from Sprint via SMS asking about my experience. So I guess this all turned out to be more legit than I had initially suspected...]

Very nice! Glad to see you got a legit operation. As you know, I am in similar process. Getting screen replaced.

NxNW said:
Well, I went back to the guy for the replacement, and at the end of it all, either things got a whole lot shadier or a whole lot *less* shady, I can't tell: after he did the job (10 minutes, while-u-wait), he then wrote down my phone #, MEID and IMSI on a post it note before he gave me the phone back.
But there are a few things he said that make me think I misjudged the guy, like how I might receive a call from Sprint asking if I was satisfied with their customer service etc, how he does actually test the screen before he puts it in to make sure he's not swapping out one bad screen with another, and of course the post-it note ritual itself.
Of course this time there were other customers present, so maybe that was all for show and the post it note just went straight to the bottom of a trash can somewhere.
Anyways I paid in cash as previously arranged and walked out the door one happy person. What he did afterwards I don't know, and hopefully won't ever need to care.
Bottom line, digitizer is replaced (and as a nice side effect i no longer have to live with a couple pretty deep scratches on the old glass, even if the bezel is a little more nicked up than my old one), and the phone has never worked better.
[EDIT : just got a series of automated questions from Sprint via SMS asking about my experience. So I guess this all turned out to be more legit than I had initially suspected...]
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He used your phone information to put in a trouble ticket with Sprint to show that he did the repair. Standard stuff.