Hi all,
I've been following the Widcom port across to the XDA-II, not because I want to attach a GPS, but because of the much expanded feature set.
I installed the BluetoothGPS.zip file, then activated all the new services offered by the phone.
I have a Belkin F8T001 USB Adapter in my broadband PC. I want to use BT to surf the net from the XDA without paying O2. Trouble is, my Belkin doesn't provide an Activesync Profile, so it can't be done. Until now, that is.
Belkin USB adapters offer a 'Network Access' service. The Widcom stack now allows the XDA to wireless network with my PC, map drives with Resco Explorer, surf the net without the bother of Activesync, oh, and Activesync over BT Wireless LAN if you like. The PC acts very much like a WiFi access point.
Another excellent bonus is the ability to browse the PDA with the BT 'File Transfer' Service. This is easier than browsing through Activesync, as you can open picture files directly without having to transfer them to the PC first.
Nice one guys, well done!
Steve Head
And where can I download these drivers ?
Sounds like a solution. Where???? :lol:
Here:
ftp://dgmatic.com/XDA2/BluetoothGPS/
Login: xda
Pass: xda
is there a current url for an up to date version of the widcomm stack which can be directly installed?
PAN vs LAP Bluetooth Profile on XDA / iMate
G'day All,
Thanks for the post on Net access - It's not as easy as it looks (having spent AGES getting iPAQs working with Bluetooth Dongles (BTW: You DO need 1.3.2.7 of the Widcomm Stack on XP to make PAN connections work!!!
My question is:
Has anyone managed to work out how to get PAN or LAP Network Bluetooth access going on an XDA II??
I can easily get a PAN network access connection going on an iPAQ 5550 (with the identical Widcomm stack version) - On the XDA II with the Widcomm stack installed, it defaults to a LAP profile... (Using BT Null Modem). I can't get this method working with internet access.
If I connect XP to the iMate, then the PAN driver is used on the PDA - BUT I can't get any traffic through (this is the same on the iPaq and the iMate).
Anyone got any clues / hints for me, please?!?! (ROM versions etc are latest).
Cheers.
Andrew
Re: PAN vs LAP Bluetooth Profile on XDA / iMate
acurtis007 said:
G'day All,
If I connect XP to the iMate, then the PAN driver is used on the PDA - BUT I can't get any traffic through (this is the same on the iPaq and the iMate).
Anyone got any clues / hints for me, please?!?! (ROM versions etc are latest).
Cheers.
Andrew
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Hi,
I'd same the problem, but since I enabled service Personal Network Sever, then at PC side connect to Xda II, it's working, I can ping from / to Xda II.
(enable service by start > setting > bluetooth > from File Transfer to Personal Network Server, I checked them all)
But it's problem to connect via Xda II to PC, then I restarted PC and PPC and make new shortcut of PC Network Access.
Now it's working I can use Resco file explorer to map driver of PC share folder and get access to file. But it's seem unstable because it's hang sometime.
ps: Thank so much to the great person who made bluetoothgps.zip.
cairo31male said:
Here:
ftp://dgmatic.com/XDA2/BluetoothGPS/
Login: xda
Pass: xda
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I could not login. Thanks anyway.
bluetooth zip file not available anymore
I tried the url, but is is not responding anymore with ftp and the username and password. Has anyone it for me??
I'd very much like to get hold of this file as well, same problem - user/pass doesn't work anymore.
Probably don't need another "me too" but I have been searching for this stack high and low! Please let us know where we can get it!
Immense thanks!
I have BluetoothGPS.zip (about 2Megs zipped) give me somewhere to upload it & i will.
That's a shame, it used to be on ftp://hydrosphere:[email protected]/ but it's gone now. I've obviously got it, but I'm damned if I'm hosting it as it's 'unlicenced software'.
Any suggestions?
As acurtis007 pointed out, it's not easy to do this even on the correct PDA. If you do get hold of the Widcom stack, you need to understand networking and a little voodoo to surf the net.
One advantage is that the BT Dongle in your PC becomes like an access point. You no longer have to set up an Activesync Partnership, so a PC can be logged in as anybody, and any PDA(s) can surf.
Here's the way to get Surfing over BT using proper IP NAT:
Your XP PC
Your installed BT Dongle should offer a Local Service called 'Network Access'. This should be started automatically, and creates a 'Bluetooth LAN Access Server' interface in your Network Connections. This is the important bit: Activate 'Internet Connection Sharing' on your LAN Card. Select the Bluetooth LAN Adapter as the Interface you want to share with. If you don't have a LAN card, then share whatever interface connects to the Internet.
If your LAN Card already has an ip address that starts with 192.168.0. then you're out of luck. You'll have to change the entire setup of your LAN to another Subnet. I chose 192.168.50.x, which is fine.
If you have correctly activated ICS, your BT LAN Interface will have the IP address 192.168.0.1, and your Internet device will have a hand under it's Icon.
You're XP PC is now ready to accept Bluetooth surfers - both of the Internet and your LAN.
The XDA-II
Bung in the Widcom Stack
Run the Lovely new Bluetooth Connection Wizard and Explore. You'll see a PC icon appear, tap it. You should be offered a range of services, depending on what make of BT Dongle you have. Select 'Network Access'. A Shortcut appears. Hold the stylus down on the Icon, and select Connect from the pop-up. You will have to do the PIN thing as you connect the 2 devices. The XDA's Bluetooth Null Modem then connects to the PC, and hello broadband.
The stack is very stable. I've been using it for 2 weeks now every day for both surfing and file transfers.
It's not perfect - beware
This is a hack, and therefore does not operate entirely correctly:
You will ALWAYS get an error message when first initialising the new stack. I'm used to it: Start Bluetooth - it fails; Start Bluetooth again - it runs. This happens every time, and I just live with it. Once it's up, I can surf till the battery dies.
You will need to reset your XDA-II's Connection Settings (Advanced - Select Networks) back to 'My ISP' where it says 'Programs that....Internet..'
Others on this forum have reported that the XDA's sound gets disabled when you uninstall the Widcom cab file. I haven't had cause to do this as I'm 100% keeping it. This is the advice I've seen posted:
"Uninstalling Widcom Stack
If you have the Widcom stack go to the WIDCOM BT-manager Audio gateway tab and Disable this before uninstalling. Sound should then remain actve."
So there you go - it works a treat.
Steve Head
If you want a bit of fun, try this:
Get yer Widcom network access up 'n' running
Put a TV Tuner Card into the PC with the BT Dongle attached, and hook up your Sky Box to the TV Card.
Download the free 'Microsoft Media Encoder'
Using Media Encoder, Run a Live Broadcast, and select 'Pocket PC Widescreen' as the target audience. Your Sky Box output (or whatever) is now being converted into a TCP/IP Stream at the sort of data rate your XDA can handle.
To watch Sky on your XDA all round the house, run Media Player on your XDA and enter the url http://192.168.0.1:80 (assuming you're connected via BT). You can also do this with a Webcam, and remotely monitor it full screen on your PDA.
Steve Head
sorry i forgot i could just attached it
Enjoy
It works
@ArcticCat
Thank you! (I nearly was loosing hope!)
1000 kisses, beers or whatever...
Pauline
Thanks I could kiss you all.
now for the winge.
As the XDA connects to the LAN over a BT null modem. It seems to be quite slow.
Is this due to the settings of the modem restricted to 11500 baud rate limit for the hardware?
Whilst i am at it. let me throw this in the works.
The XDAII connects via BT to a PC on the network. I can browse the network from the PC. But i can only browse the files on the PC that i am directly connected to via BT from the XDA as well as access the internet. Is this normal?
IP address is 192.168.0.1 on BT adapter. The LAN connection of the PC is 192.168.11.5 ( auto ip).
all other PCs on the network are in the 192.168.11.x range.
Any suggestions?
Cheers
Oorbz
As the XDA connects to the LAN over a BT null modem. It seems to be quite slow.
Is this due to the settings of the modem restricted to 11500 baud rate limit for the hardware?
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I found out that the speed networking over BT is slower than expected. Any others having problems for repaly MP3s on their XDA. I think the max speed over BT is 1MBit. Whith all protocol things you schould get min 500kBit. But I have problems playing MP3s with mor than 192kBit, The XDE "feels" very slow. - any ideas?
But i can only browse the files on the PC that i am directly connected to via BT from the XDA as well as access the internet.
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Oorbz: To conect to your home LAN you need to set up a Networking bridge (Because your network is devided in 2 segments). Using windows xp its included. Mark both network adapter and choose "Network bridge". After that you only configure the bridge and both networks are conected under one subnet mask. Sometimes BT-Adapters are not fully compatible with the network bridge. Then you need to do 2 little steps:
On the console type in:
Code:
netsh bridge show adapter
then type in
Code:
netsh bridge set adapter # forcecompatmode=enable
# stands for the Number of your BT Adapter.
Thats it. Now you have access to your complete LAN and NAT-Router. Using a fix IP on your XDA will speed up the start of the conection, but DHCP works fine too. All computers whould now have an IP from the same subnet liek 192.168.0.# / 255.255.255.0.
PS using a WLAN adapter some drivers need this settings too in order to work with the windows XP networking bridge.
On the console type in:
Code:
netsh bridge show adapter
then type in
Code:
netsh bridge set adapter # forcecompatmode=enable
# stands for the Number of your BT Adapter.
Thats it. Now you have access to your complete LAN and NAT-Router. Using a fix IP on your XDA will speed up the start of the conection, but DHCP works fine too. All computers whould now have an IP from the same subnet liek 192.168.0.# / 255.255.255.0.
PS using a WLAN adapter some drivers need this settings too in order to work with the windows XP networking bridge.
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I tried the network bridge a few days ago with the card in compatiblity mode. but i will give it another go . I will repor back. Thanks
Hi
You mentioned the Belkin BT adaptor. That is about 30 odd pounds. Are all BT adaptors the same? i.e. do they just implement some version of the protocol? Seems the Belkin one implements v1.1.
How about this one, will it also do the job?
http://www.qtds.com/code/products.asp?recid=621&
Costs about 15 pounds, so much cheaper
btw, if your laptop already has BT built in, do you need to buy a dongle?
Hey there!
i created a pan, with the toshiba drivers on my mda and the normal windows xps on my desktop.
now what i do not understand is the difference in speed:
when i connect usb and transfer a file over PAN, then i get a speed of about 1200 kbit
when i transfer a file over activesync with usb i have a speed of about 500 kbit
when i transfer with bluetooth and PAN, and then transfer a file over PAN, then the speed drops to about 200 kbit
that speed is also the same for only a PAN connection.
does anyone has a clue, why there is such a big difference?
Thanks,
Gringo
So you're usig the Toshiba bluetooth stack on the Magician?
yes i do. it bugs sometimes but i want the PAN connection.
Actually, Bluetooth is a lot slower than USB so the difference in speed between BT and USB should not be a surprise. Also, Activesync is not known to be very effective and probably has a lot of overhead.
ok thanks for your answer!
I've been trying to setup a network between my XDA iis and my desktop PC. I want to be able to access the internet connection which my pc has on broadband, and to access the pc's files and printer. Also to access the xda files from the pc via shared folders etc.
My setup is a bluetooth usb adaptor pluggedinto the pc with belkin software installed. The xda has BT already on it.
I have no idea how to go about now etting up the connection between them. I think what I need is a VPN but I'm not sure.
Please can anyone talk me through the setup, it's driving me mad to a point of disliking the xda?
Bluetooth can be a pain, and not particularly fast compared to wifi.
Synopsis:
You don't need to use VPN, just a standard bluetooth serial port (eg Com 6), use PC's activesync to connect through eg Com6 and set your PDA to activesync through bluetooth.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=26479&highlight=bluetooth
V
Well i originally had a wifi card on the advice of a pc store, and was told I could set it up peer to peer without a router. This was a complete failure and in the end they swapped it for BT card instead. Is it going to be easier and more reliable to setup a router for wifi rather than peer to peer?
you can only get data over bluetooth with the ms stack if you are connected to activesync using bluetooth
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=2417
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=3163
the problem is tha it dont support the PEN profile
of cause if your bluetooth stack is vidcomm or broadcom then look here
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=InternetOverBluetoothNetwork
Hi,
i can't connect my laptop with trinity as bt modem!!?? Usb cable connection works fine, but I want to make it without wires, anyone knows how!!???
I can't find usb bt modem for trinity! I can't remember how but s200 works fine as br modem, also Ive seen another posts about this but withous answer!!
Thanks!
Tiemen said:
I am not very knowledgable about mac's but you should understand that the P3600 does not support Bluetooth DUN connection. You can only use it as a gateway through the Bluetooth PAN connection or via a USB cable connection.
In order to do this you must use the shared internet connection on your P3600. You can then choose to connect your mac to your P3600 via a USB cable or a Bluetooth PAN connection. Then you must select the connection your P3600 will use to connect to the internet, this is usually a GPRS/EDGE or a UMTS/HSDPA connection. The selection of both connections is done from a drop-down menu so you can't really miss it.
Good luck
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I found this by using the search, ofcourse it helps when you know where to look
tnx,
but this doesn't help because I can't connect to bt pan connection!!? I suceeded with bt sync, but nothing else!! (hp nx6320)!!
Tiberius23 said:
tnx,
but this doesn't help because I can't connect to bt pan connection!!? I suceeded with bt sync, but nothing else!! (hp nx6320)!!
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I succeded, connected devices via bt, it finaly works , problem was in pc control panel, bt network was disabled......
but now, here is new problem, my bt network speed is only 700 kbs!!???
Why?
Hdspa goes to 1.8 mbit/s, on my network I've seen max. 1.3 mbit/s, but with 700kpbs it's unusefull!!!???
any help!??
Regards!
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but now, here is new problem, my bt network speed is only 700 kbs!!???
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Use a cable instead of bluetooth.
What is the Bluetooth Stack you are using?
I had the same problem at first. 700kb/s BT PAN connection yet I had a BT 2.0 dongle.
I was using the widcomm version 5.0.1.1100 drivers at the time.
I recently upgraded my drivers to version 5.0.1.2500 and now the connection indicates a speed of 2.1 Mb/s, it's still not the rated 2.5-3.0 EDR speed but it's much better.
yrreP said:
What is the Bluetooth Stack you are using?
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I don't know! Where can I check it!?
Tiemen said:
I had the same problem at first. 700kb/s BT PAN connection yet I had a BT 2.0 dongle.
I was using the widcomm version 5.0.1.1100 drivers at the time.
I recently upgraded my drivers to version 5.0.1.2500 and now the connection indicates a speed of 2.1 Mb/s, it's still not the rated 2.5-3.0 EDR speed but it's much better.
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my driver is 4.0.1.3300! Where have you find 5.xxxxx driver!!??
Here is the basic connection scheme i'm trying to set up:
Internet--(1)->Modem--(2)->WiFi--(3)->Notebook PC--(4)->Bluetooth PAN--(5)->HTC Elf
The first three arrows in the scheme are working fine obviously. The problem starts at the fourth arrow. First let me explain why I want to use BT PAN between the notebook and the Elf.
It drains the battery less than WiFi does
I want to use GRemote, which requires an IP connection between PC and phone
I'm using windows mobile 6.5 on my HTC Elf and Windows 7 on my notebook PC. I have the toshiba bluetooth stack installed on my PC.
In the toshiba BT stack i have enabled the PAN network service, but when I try to connect to my PC from my phone, I only get the option to connect to the COM port service.
When I pair from the PC the following takes place:
Toshiba BT stack finds the phone
Toshiba BT stack lets me choose between PAN connection and dial-up networking
I choose PAN obviously and I get prompted for a passcode
I enter passcode on both sides of the connection
Toshiba BT stack displays a connection
Phone shows that bluetooth is on and in visible mode, but shows no sign of being connected.
Phone connects to GPRS if i try to surf the web (tried using Opera mini as well as IE)
GRemote can not find a server (server is running on PC and is detectable if i use WiFi to connect)
When I disable bluetooth on phone, my PC makes the 'hardware disconnected' sound and Toshiba BT stack no longer shows an active connection
On my PC I have bridged the PAN connection and my wireless network card.
I've read countless posts and followed an infinite amount of dead links and have not found a statisfactory solution yet. Please help me if you know how to set this up.