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X1 vs Touch HD

I'm nearly at the end of my contract for my T-mobile vario II. It looks like my next phone will either be the X1 or the touch HD. I read a lot of ebooks and web pages so the bigger screen is going to be great.
I like the fact that the X1 has a slide out keyboard and dpad. These should help when writing emails or playing games. However the simpler package of the Touch HD does look very nice.
One thing that sucked about the vario II was the sluggish interface - from the few videos I have watched the HD seems a bit slicker than the X1 - am I right?
If possible I would like to install android on my next device - is this more likely to be possible on the HD?
So what are your views - which is better?

Mercedes or BMW.
Two similar but quite different animals.
Need the keyboard... X1
Need no keyboard .. T' HD
It's simply a choice only. Some point or other.. a HardSPL and cooking of roms will be well underway.. along with a vast choice of rom shape and size, along with inbuilts. The only thing that will not change is the Hardware shape. (guts are the same)
The Touch HD is not even out properly, and the HD manilla is already available and installable on the X1. the Sony panels will no doubt hit the Touch HD.
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
Please don't tell my wife!.

Well the Touch HD is technically using HTC's "2nd" version of TouchFlo3D, after Diamond/TPro, so understandably they've put some effort into getting it to run more smoothly. SE's panels will debut on the X1 so it's probably buggy just like TouchFlo3D was when the Diamond first came out.
That said, XDA got even the stock Diamond interface running really well, so there's no reason they can't do it with the X1's panels. It's not a question of if but when.
I think if you're going to reading most of the time, the HD will be the better choice (bigger screen, and you dont "need" a hardware keyboard to read). But I must say if you do a fair amount of messaging, a real keyboard is second to none -- there's just no going back after you've used one (imo).
As for Android, only time will tell. My guess is yes for both, but it might not be fully functional for some time. There are just too many unknowns right now for there to be an easy answer.

harvsingh said:
Mercedes or BMW.
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For me the answer to that one was BMW!
harvsingh said:
I have bought 2 X1's..along with an Omnia... Will get a HD also.. but this is because i'm a picky sod.. and have money to pee away.
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If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?

-Matt- said:
For me the answer to that one was BMW!
If you are so flush with cash feel free to mail me one of the X1's!
fhseih - I do read a lot and the physical size of the screen on the touch hd would be very nice for that. However the actual resolution of the X1 is the same so it should be almost as good in that respect. As you say, once you get used to the keyboard you never go back. I have got used to having a keyboard on my vario II. I love the way that you can type without wasting screen space on a virtual keyboard.
Maybe what I really want is a Touch HD Pro - any rumors that we will see one of these soon?
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Even though i have capital... and enough to buy a handset i want when i want it on the network i choose to be with.. i am certainly no charity.. so i'm sorry.. if the second x1 goes anywhere its back to supplier... and get a HD instead.
I think getting a Touch HD pro is pointless.. HD is such because its not bulky. Its slim and basically a screen with a send and end key.
Adding a keyboard to it = not a Touch HD Pro but a X1.
Lack of G-sensor on X1 is the thing i think when it comes to using different roms and software. Hardware apart from this and keyb is the same. (except screen size...res is the same)
I think... i will keep one x1 and get a HD...
that way.. i'm covered.
Really wish the DX900 Glofiish had been released... 2 sim cards... one phone with VGA/GPS/WIFI/Bluetooth/3G/HSDPA .. but as yet.. its just due... due .. and due....
who could want more?

MultiTouch on the HD

Hey guys, i was just wondering that, does the HD have multitouch capabilities. a couple of months back we saw the diamond has a little bit of multitouch in it. is there anyone out there that can test the hd to see if it can do "multitouch"

I don't think we have the type of touch screen to support that. Even if, Apple just got a patten for it, I expect lawsuits will fly over that shortly.

What do you mean with, the diamond has a "little bit of multouch"?

Do we really need another thread to discuss this?
The Touch Pro and Diamond have a capacitive touch pad below the screen. The HD does not.

OMG!!!!! TOUCH PRO 2! (Looks like HD)

Wow!!!!!
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-touch-pro2-is-awesome-in-ways-the-touch-pro-never-could-be/

Touch Pro 2 - Possible upgrade to HD? 5mm thicker 30g heavier, slide outkeyboard+3.6" VGA+more
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchpro2/overview.html
Diamond 2:
3.2" VGA etc
http://www.htc.com/www/product/touchdiamond2/overview.html

Sadly. . . no 3.5 mm jack. Its meant for business people.
Also this:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/02/16/htc-ceo-windows-mobile-6-5-to-be-announced-this-afternoon/
HOLY CRAP. . .
This isn't the new HD though, so maybe the HD is still going to be strong for a year(meaning no major updates to it, just internal hardware, like a US 3G antenna).

I dont think we will see an upgrade for the HD till later this year (if at all) but this in most peoples eyes will easily do for a HD with built in keyboard.

I dont think we will see an upgrade for the HD till later this year (if at all) but this in most peoples eyes will easily do for a HD with built in keyboard.
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Like I said .
This isn't the new HD though, so maybe the HD is still going to be strong for a year(meaning no major updates to it, just internal hardware, like a US 3G antenna).
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That new TPro is still sexy though , but they could have done with out the bezel and all the brushed aluminum(not saying that I don't like).

*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2

excellent birthday present....
I think my girlfriend will be pleased when i'll give her the diamond2 for her birthday (hoping it will be available by then)
And I will be able to fiddle with it as well
Woohoo!!
Grtz,
Degake

degake said:
And I will be able to fiddle with it as well
Woohoo!!
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What? The girlfriend? Sorry! couldn't resist.

ClownShoes said:
What? The girlfriend? Sorry! couldn't resist.
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I was expecting that someone would give this comment
And I truely/deeply hope I can fiddle with the phone and my girlfriend then (but best not both at the same time )
Grtz,
Degake

i just got the hd!!! they need to stop making phones so i stop wasting money!!!!!!!!!!

sunnymiu said:
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2
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Apparently they will get a free upgrade, just ready fo you guys to cook a rom ;-)
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/16/windows_mobile_launch/

KennyDies said:
Apparently they will get a free upgrade, just ready fo you guys to cook a rom ;-)
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2009/02/16/windows_mobile_launch/
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The Touch Pro 2 is just too heavy for me, the HD is bad enough...same old story, to keyboard or not to keyboard. The WhiteStone is supposed to be the replacement for the HD. Who knows when it will come. Personally I don't care to upgrade my HD because with these new devices come new roms, YES!

sunnymiu said:
*sigh* it makes me confused to make a decision between Touch HD and Touch Pro2
Touch Pro2 contains lots of software impovements, espsecially a newer version TF3D,
however, the backplate which coloured in grey really... ugly ('cause I'm a grey-hater)
the Touch HD have a stylish design (in my opinion), but software are just out-dated
and there maybe not have any WM6.5 offical ROM provided, even an update of TF3D
Anyone can help me to make a choice?
My only concern is about the updating of software and any alternative colours of Touch Pro2
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i fully believe that the new TouchFLO will be available to the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS
and i can't wait, it seems to have some nice additions and tweaks
o and WinMo 6.5 will definitely be available for the HD thanks to XDA-DEVELOPERS (not an official upgrade, but fully awesome)

not impressed
I'm not impressed, i have had three HTC Phones and all have been underpowered due lack of chipset drivers, I will be probably looking towards the omnia HD next, unless HTC decide to shell out the cash for licences for drivers. it winds me up no end that. made I was fooled yet again by HTC into buying one of their half finished handsets.

Its good more XVGA's are coming out as it means more supported apps. Maybe a google version might help us crack the RGB666 issue.

Hardware Keyboard
I sincerely beleive that the HD (aka beast, aka black stone) is currently the ultimate device. Most people who long for a hardware keyboard must have never used the TouchPal. I have done continuous testing and TouchPal allows me and most other people to type considerable faster. I DO RECCOMEND IT for anyone who has not tried it.
I love what I'm seeing with the new ROMs out there and I'm not worried at all that the brilliant minds of this community will bring it to the world best device. Heck, after WM 6.1 was ported to the BlueAngel than everything is possible here!
I love my HD and these new devices can't even hold a candle to it. 3.8 WVGA display, FM Radio, 5MP camera with Autofocus, GPS, front full 2nd VGA camera, 7 hardware buttons, magnetic stylus, expandable memeory via Micro SD (now up to 32GB) all in a form factor the same size as the iPhone! (who can beat that?!)
Only thing the HD's missing is US 3G support, and Video Out, and a capacitve touchscreen.
Damn I love my HD!!!!!
The only way to make the HD better
The on

ahjdmarchi said:
i just got the hd!!! they need to stop making phones so i stop wasting money!!!!!!!!!!
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LOL yes many of us agree with you there!

I wonder if there's an exact launch date on this. I'm due for an upgrade soon.

Before getting the HD, I was a happy TyTN II user. Sure I wished for at least VGA and a larger screen but I was content (with the technology back then). But when the super sexy HD came out with WVGA and faster performance I was interested but the lack of keyboard held me back till I found out I could manipulate the screen to horizontal for any "serious typing" since the landscape keyboard was almost the same size in length as the physical keyboard. Now with FingerKeyboard (the black & red) I am completely satisfied. I gained light-weight and thin and able to type.
My next upgrade will be for windows 6.5 and the faster processor and video card!

I think my girlfriend will be pleased
I just pre-ordered the diamond2
expected delivery date: april 10th
I'm gonna be so lucky tonight
Grtz,
Degake

Looking for Touch HD (instead xperia)

hey..
i use the xperia x1 for about 2-3 months... but its too bulky for me and i dont use the hardware keybord
now im looking for the touch hd... does anyone know a good website to buy or can give me some support. mabye you know a good shop or something :-\ (me located in ger)
would be very nice

You can try http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php/1464/htc-touch-hd
The HTC Touch HD is a beautiful device, I don't need the hardware keyboard and I type perfectly on it

All it takes is a bit of Googling...

Help me decide btw HD or Diamond2

Hi fellow Xda members.
I'm considering of changing my N95 8GB out with a new HTC device. I just can't decide between the HD or the Diamond2.
As I see it the HD has a bigger screen and therefore more chunky and less handy. And the price tag of the Diamond2 is much lower. Is it true that other than that they are identical?
Does the screen size really matter that much, I will use it mostly for email and internet surfing.
What would you chose? Hope someone can make my decision making easier.
Thanks a lot

I haven't had the new Diamond in my hand, but I've been using my HD for three months now. The size is absolutely perfect, it's just right. It's as big as it can get without being too uncomfortable to wear in the pocket or use with a single hand.
I'd say go for the HD, but I'm not familiar with Diamond 2's price tag, if that's your deciding factor. It really boils down to whether you think that the larger screen and form factor (TD2 is ugly) are worth it.

The price tag isn't really a deciding factor. I really like the big screen of the HD
Is there any news on the video recording capabilities of the new TD2 ?
Or is it the same as the HD?

Screen size
Battery life
Zoom bar on Diamond2
3.5mm jack on TouchHD
Housing of TouchHD vs Housing of Diamond2
Price tag
Btw, diamond2 should be more expensive or just as expensive as the touch hd since it's a new device even thought it's a lower end device.

Hey Mate
one of my work mates has the Diamond and after he seen my HD he regrets the purchase once ur familiar with the HD there is no other you want, as long as you use a video convertor easily found on this site it works great my VIDS are so clear and the sounds is awesome my whole company is jealous

i think the screen size of the hd is an important feature in a keyboard-less device like this
less screen size equals smaller virtual keys
and bigger pain when writing

HD every time. Big screen is fantastic but not too big. Any bigger (ref Toshiba) and it would be cumbersome.
For internet surfing - that was one of your needs - the HD is great. Here is where the big screen and high resolution really shows.

ozmoran said:
Hey Mate
one of my work mates has the Diamond and after he seen my HD he regrets the purchase once ur familiar with the HD there is no other you want, as long as you use a video convertor easily found on this site it works great my VIDS are so clear and the sounds is awesome my whole company is jealous
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What does the video converter do? Do you use it after you record something with the HD to make the quality better?
Thanks a lot for the reply everybody, so I guess the HD isn't chunky and too big after all :-D
Does anyone know the specs for the video recording of the new TD2?

Check out PDADB.
You'll see that the new Diamond II has the same camera as the Touch HD.
By the way, a videoconverter converts a video
It converts a video to a size that's optimized for the screen on your phone.
Means you can scale your vids too 480x800 and having the quality optimized so it'll look fabulous on your phone.

alixoft said:
Check out PDADB.
You'll see that the new Diamond II has the same camera as the Touch HD.
By the way, a videoconverter converts a video
It converts a video to a size that's optimized for the screen on your phone.
Means you can scale your vids too 480x800 and having the quality optimized so it'll look fabulous on your phone.
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Okay thanks..
haha I know what it means
But maybe it could do some magic so that the recording got better hahaha
Because there is such a program for Samsung Omnia...

for me it was the screen size... had been using BlueAngel for past 4 yrs.... it is still working fine.... only hiccup was that it did not support faster data connection (only GPRS... no Edge or 3G). only thing that I miss in HD right now is the h/w keyboard.... but i'm getting used to the onscreen qwerty of HD.

Never used the TD2 but I used to have the original TD and that was simply awfull!
It kept hanging, had an earth problem and was really crap for signal, check the specs of the processor/RAM out before you make a decision!
I have the HD now and can say it's absolutely fantastic, it is the perfect size and coming from the TD it feels more comfortable aswell!

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Okay thanks..
haha I know what it means
But maybe it could do some magic so that the recording got better hahaha
Because there is such a program for Samsung Omnia...
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Not that I know off.
IF there's a similiar program for the Touch HD, I'd be happy to use it too.
As far as camerawise, my personal opinion is to rather have a pixon, n96 or a x1.
In my opinion phones for the "more standard users" but with better camera's.

I'm thinking of getting the Diamond2. I lost my HD on holiday a couple of weeks ago and if the insurance comes back with money instead of a new HD I'd like a change. There isn't a massive difference in screen size, but the diamond2 is slated for an official upgrade to WM6.5 when it arrives later this year. I won't miss the 3.5mm socket since I never really used it on the HD. Battery life might be the only killer for me as its not as well specced as the HD in that department.

i should go for the pro 2 because i hate the onscreen keybord