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Is someone trying to hack VueFlo to be used with other programs?

I'm trying to find info about programing for VueFlo.
Someone working on this????

I hope so!
There is no reason that VueFlo couldnt be used a a generic input for gaming. Everybody went mad for Wii because of the tilt sensor, the Athena has it too!
Fancy an oldschool MarbleMadness game on Mame that uses the VueFlo sensor? I do!
SO many of the games out there could benefit. What we need is something like the directX input model. Where the games read a standard input, and you get any random hardware driver to suply the info to that.
That would allow for other cool stuff, how about motion tracking via the camera as game input? (ala mosquitos).
I guess the people with the skills to do this sort of thing have real lives and are busy elsewhere.

I would like a program who use vu flo to rotate the screen in portrait or paysage.
It would be great a such fonction is present in apple iphone.

yes it's could be a really usefull feature ...

i looked into the reg and i have found gsensor_service.dll end gsensor_setting and i have grab into a zip files.
If someone can do something : http://rapidshare.com/files/35997974/vueflo.zip

xmen06 said:
i looked into the reg and i have found gsensor_service.dll end gsensor_setting and i have grab into a zip files.
If someone can do something : http://rapidshare.com/files/35997974/vueflo.zip
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Might have to crack that open. Not that I'd know what to do but I could crack it open.
I think an motion sensor alarm system would be sweet. No?

And to the oppisite side.. Is anybody working on completly disabeling and/or removing this POS app?

Application idea - Fake Accelerometer

IPhone has an accelerometer.
Turns out so does the N95.
But what do our windows phones have...well they have a camera. And it has been proven by games like lawndarts that the camera cab be used to mimic the accelerometer.
So my idea (which I have neither the skill or the time to bring to fruition lol) is to mimic iphone functions like landscape mode on phone rotate.
So who thinks it is possible?

Cool idea!
But then the camera must be turned on the whole time
and that will drain the battery.
Houser

Houser said:
Cool idea!
But then the camera must be turned on the whole time
and that will drain the battery.
Houser
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Doh, never thought of that lol, bum

IMHO the accelerometer is overkill...How hard is it to push a button? I'd rather have my phone respond to my intention and not just gravity. I can think of alot of reasons one would rotate the phone and not want the screen to arbitrarily rotate. I wonder hoiw many Iphone users are frustrated with this lack of control.

i think it's pretty cool how it smoothly rotates upon how you hold it.
windows rotate sucks boogers. it lags

It Exist and Guess Who Now Has It...
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The story is incorrect. It appears that an accelerometer is present in the Nokia phone. Sorry.
Nokia is cracking down hard on WM. They are implementing this as we speak.
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/...iphone-like-screen-rotation-via-rotateme-app/
They implemented it via the camera sensor from the article. Maybe Nokia has better battery life than WM

I was meaning this from the n95
http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/6169_The_N95_gets_even_more_iPhone-.php
That screen rotate is what I was thinking though lol

Houser said:
Cool idea!
But then the camera must be turned on the whole time
and that will drain the battery.
Houser
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...not to mention all the processing that would need to be done on the images to calculate the rotation.

daverage said:
IPhone has an accelerometer.
Turns out so does the N95.
But what do our windows phones have...well they have a camera. And it has been proven by games like lawndarts that the camera cab be used to mimic the accelerometer.
So my idea (which I have neither the skill or the time to bring to fruition lol) is to mimic iphone functions like landscape mode on phone rotate.
So who thinks it is possible?
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You might wan to follow my articles posted to the General and/or Smartphone General forum - I've already published some links on it some weeks ago. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333248

deenice said:
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The story is incorrect. It appears that an accelerometer is present in the Nokia phone. Sorry.
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Yup, it has a hardware accelerometer. It's functioning just GREAT and is VERY sensitive - much more sensitive than anything camera-based.
Its only problem is the inability to scroll vertically when the PDA isn't parallel with the earth (including being upside down). Horizontal scrolling is OK in all cases. This is, however, only little grief as you can always move the PDA in these states in order to control the cursor also vertically.
I wonder if VueFlu could be similarly used, or, is it much less sensitive / one-dimension only?

Menneisyys said:
You might wan to follow my articles posted to the General and/or Smartphone General forum - I've already published some links on it some weeks ago. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=333248
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Interesting.
Would be great for someone to try it just as an exercise

mmm
http://www.gesturetekmobile.com/inside_new.html

Screen Orientation - VueFlO

Has anyone thought about linking the screen orentation to VueFLO so it automatically changes depending on the orientaiton of the device? Is this possible? I would certainly be interested

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Has anyone thought about linking the screen orentation to VueFLO so it automatically changes depending on the orientaiton of the device? Is this possible? I would certainly be interested
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Good Idea!

would LOVE to see that....

Would VueFLO be able to tell the difference between tilting the device to the left (when in landscape) and rotating it into portrait?
A really REALLY cool idea though

Less talk and more results !!!
This would be truly a great app to have on the advantage. Anyone out there willing to build this app for us, it would be appreciated to the entire forum.

is it possible....and if so..how..?? doesnt VueFlo..uses manual buttons..can any1 care to explain if its possible or not..buh if it is..then it wud be great

i would to wite a programe for VueFlo on athena but i can't find any way for connect to VueFlo
i would write the programe for a thing like anti thief
it mean for example if i take athena on the table and turn the programe on, then if someone takeit, it play a sound and ...
i hope you can underestand my post
sorry for my bad English

Arya said:
i would to wite a programe for VueFlo on athena but i can't find any way for connect to VueFlo
i would write the programe for a thing like anti thief
it mean for example if i take athena on the table and turn the programe on, then if someone takeit, it play a sound and ...
i hope you can underestand my post
sorry for my bad English
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Eybi nadare dadash.. Your english is just fine...
And that sounds like a great idea... look, i do some xcode programming for iphone and being a close plathform i feel you can do more on that then Athena. dont get me wrong i love my Athena and i wouldnt change it but i think it is capable of so much more ... i broke my x7500 and got iphone and wasnt doin it so i got another athena. i use the both and i love my athena more than i phone....

fatouraee said:
Eybi nadare dadash.. Your english is just fine...
And that sounds like a great idea... look, i do some xcode programming for iphone and being a close plathform i feel you can do more on that then Athena. dont get me wrong i love my Athena and i wouldnt change it but i think it is capable of so much more ... i broke my x7500 and got iphone and wasnt doin it so i got another athena. i use the both and i love my athena more than i phone....
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you learn persian
eyval eman jan, pas irani hasti
thanks
i think athena is very better and i love my athena and don't change it with any other
but there's some small problem on it, like phone call sound recording and some other...
tanX for your answer and sorry for my english too

So is anyone actually create this program, or are they going to bull**** about how cool it is, and easy to make ......

SupraSkylineSTI said:
So is anyone actually create this program, or are they going to bull**** about how cool it is, and easy to make ......
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well i guess you could just always do it

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well i guess you could just always do it
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Believe me, If I could, I would.

Some coding god needs to reverse engineer to vueflo apps to work out how the hardware is accessed. After that, any coder can do it just like the iphone/ipod people are all making stuff that uses the accelerometer in them.
Its not an easy task. We need somebody in HTC to leak the details really.

Arya, so you were never able to fix your phone call recording problem? The built-in recorder handles it, I forget now why you were still having a problem. Off-topic, I know, discuss on the original thread.
On-topic, the motion sensor on the hard drive is just that... a motion sensor. Not an orientation sensor (like mercury switches are). Just turning the unit on its side won't let the OS know its now on its side, however, by adding some kind of motion code it will work just fine. Like shaking it twice downward in the direction you want to be down. Shaking it once would produce too many false changes, but twice or maybe 3 times would send the right message.
This type of phone input has been in the news a lot lately, along with vibration as a feedback. The idea on the news is you would shake your phone to see if you have any messages waiting, and it would vibrate back if you do. Unfortunately since the Athena doesn't have a vibration motor the output part isn't possible, but the input part is, since it has the motion sensors already! (the lack of vibration is one of the top-5 flaws of this device, IMO, hopefully it will get added on the X7502)
So, taking the topic of this thread one step further, how about creating an application that launches apps based on motion input? Yes I know there is a program out there that lets you reprogram most of the function buttons to do this (I forget its name at the moment, I haven't bought it yet), but adding motion to this mix would be so much cooler!

shake it baby?
these ideas seam very good but sahaking it multiple times and to open programs seams like it may cause problems because our device is just tooo big, imagine to shake or rotate ur device a specific way to get pie running (maybe it could be shaken to the rythem of ur favourite song (which has to be the Smashing Pumpkins..) and it shakes out of your hand on to the concrete pavement below wooops!!! just imagine the insurance form for that

Well, the unit's motion sensitivity is quite high. Easily confirmed by changing the viewflo sensitivity to high and then gently tilting the unit when you are in a browser. You wouldn't have to create martinis or milkshakes to launch an app, just a gentle flick or two will do. A downside of all this is carrying it around would present problems (either on your belt or in your hand). Even if you ignore the g-sensors when the cover is on, the cover-on switch is so faulty you might get to work and find that you wired $150 Euros to the Red Cross and sent all your checking account information to some guy in Nigeria.

techntrek said:
Arya, so you were never able to fix your phone call recording problem? The built-in recorder handles it, I forget now why you were still having a problem. Off-topic, I know, discuss on the original thread.
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tanX
i can't record call when i talk with handsfree
only when i used load speacker it record, but on load speack can't talk good, and call quality is not good!!
I try some of software that the friends tell me, but nothing not work
this is the Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=346126
tanX

apd said:
Has anyone thought about linking the screen orentation to VueFLO so it automatically changes depending on the orientaiton of the device? Is this possible? I would certainly be interested
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why did i just know someone would suggest this. hahaha prolly cause i thought that too! hahaha
1 reason of many i can think of is Iphone look alike

Hi, i'm interested in an iphone-like app too.
I still can't understand why HTC inserted a hardware which can handle with orientation, and then it's only possible to use scolling in PIE or Opera.
Why not Scrolling in PIE AND Opera. I love this feature, and want it always and for other apps too, like Rotate Screen automaticly, skip music file or backwards in WMP, Forward/backward in PIE/Opera when moved left/right.
I don't unterstand this. The difficult part is the integration of hardware, and HTC didn't develop a simple app which makes the hardware really do what it is supposed to do.
I even don't believe they added the G-Sensor for the Microdrive.

nothing new?
even with the new softwares incluede in devices such as Omnia or Diamond?

Camera-based Motion Tracking

Hello everyone!
I'm new on this forum and I've only read TONS of useful information till now...Few days ago I bought an HTC Touch device and immediately I flashed its ROM with a new one found in this *** WONDERFUL *** site
Well, in the past I developed some (stupid) applications for Windows in several languages; then I discover the "pocket-pc" world and began to have to do with it! One night I was reading about a feature of a developement-version of a well known browser and WOOOOOOOW!!!! "You can perform several actions, like scrolling, panning, zooming...only by moving your phone!" The software use image-processing algorithms to recognize your gestures ...only using the built-in camera!!!! No accelometers needed...
Something like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3pVaEVHpvI
Now, image-processing algorithms are not too difficult to implement...but how can I get access to the built-in camera on my Htc ?!? I tried to search all over the internet, and in this forum too...but I found only few things about HTCCameraAPI and many other programs and their dlls. I cannot believe there's no way to have access to the camera!!!
HELP please!!! this "project" could be very interesting!

One thing is sure - it _can_ be done, and it can work really good, even on weak hardware - look at this:
http://rivia.net/Fishopolis.aspx
I just tried the demo and i was amazed how well it worked on my wizard (especially considering its crappy camera), even in less than perfect lighting conditions (incadescent light). No overclocking required.
Also, from what i've seen WM7 is going to use the camera-based gestures too. So, anyone willing to beat M$ to it and develop a camera-based ftouchflo-like app?

I've looked at the libs, and I've even dabbled in the source, and this is my next project. Like I said, we know it can be done, it's just a matter of doing it. Obviously though, I've got to finish off PocketMelody etc. But it's my next move, once no one beats me to it . And personally, I hope someone does! It's not THAT hard.

Welcome to the forums gregnapola!
This website hepled me choose my very first PPC Phone 18 months ago and helped it become the best little device I own. It just keeps getting better and better with tools such as FTouchFlo, PocketMelody and Picture Flow, and I look forward to this feature onMY HTC Hermes!
Shows how much really can be done with this WM platform, all you need is developers with imagination and talent (and all the other things that go along with it like coffe and donations and and respect on the forums ).
Thanks guys.

maybe we would have some1 develop a program that automatically changes portrait mode into landscape by jus rotating the camera..hey u never kno..this is XDA-DEVELOPERS..

Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?

hebrewhammer said:
Sounds awesome and would definitly love to see this done. Just a quick question about it. Would it be a big battery drain to have this running all the time?
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Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .

Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...

any update?

I'd also love to substitute my D-Pad for a Camera-based Motion Tracking system
No Dev takes this challenge?

gregnapola said:
Thank you for your replies...
I've just installed the demo version of "Rivia Fishopolis" to see how well can it work but it doesn't run it because of an unknow security-error
Now, I found a lot of useful camera-based applications, but they'll come in the future - I'm talking about WM7 gesture-based control, NetFront 3.5 or EyeMobile Games by GestureTek...but all I really need is the way to capture frames by my Elf camera; code samples in any Visual Studio language with HTCCameraAPI, or any other lib...
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I resolved your error assigning owner information (all). But camera feature seems to not work on my trinity...also the d-pad can't move the cursor...is there anyone with same problem?
thanks

Would it be possible to have it access the front camera too and switch of the LCD when you're talking on the phone? Something like what the iPhone does to save battery.

christiankirana said:
any update?
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The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....

gregnapola said:
The only update is that my elf was stolen about a week ago...and so...I cannot do anything at all!!! So sad....
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That's really stinks!! I hope you can get another one. Sorry to hear the news.
Chris

Im trying to use Fishopolis on my phone ( an HTC Wizard) but i keep on getting some kind of weird security error.
Any ideas why im getting that error and how to fix it?

doesn't seem to work with the camera on the Hermes...hmmm

Looks like we will have to wait until 2009 for WM7.

wouldn't it consume a lot more battery if camera is always on.
just my thought

I think this is a cool idea and I think I mentioned this somewhere else in this forum, but if this could be done, it would be cool if one could use the camera of there phone, link it via bluetooth and use it as a mouse for a laptop.
Just thinking outloud.

lol, some interesting ideas.
Docnas, refer to post by cf222111:
I resolved your error assigning owner information (all).
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Mariner_heart, refer to post by thundershadow_14:
Considering that you're not rendering anything to the screen, it's at least safe to assume you'll be using A LOT less power than if you were walking around with your camera application on all day .
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What is WMob like without a stylus/direction pad?

i'm dying to get the HD2, but I've never yet had a phone that didn't have either a jog dial / rollerball / direction pad or some way of moving around the screen without just using touch...
you Blackstone owners are the guys in the know - i guess you've had the HD for a year or so - how do you find it? Do you wish you had a hardwarde key to scroll around the screen while browing etc? It always struck me that without a direction control a touch screen definitely became a two-handed device whereas with a jog-dial or similar one is enough for most things.
be great to hear some views - Thanks!

hey... I thought I will miss the direction pad when i first went for the HD, but I didnt... (maybe the first week only when I was allready used to use the D-pad on my Polaris)..
As far as the stylus is concerned, I hardly use it as well... I mean i use it only when i text somebody, simply because i want to text faster without pressing the wrong letters, but with a bigger display on the HD2 I can't see this being a problem... I don't text a lot so its not a problem for me... To be honest I used it a lot more on my Polaris on the smaller display...
Now you know is down to the individual and what you use on a daily basis... WM6.5 is created as such you will not need the stylus a lot... As for browsing I use it one handed, scrolling with my thumb.
take care

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i'm dying to get the HD2, but I've never yet had a phone that didn't have either a jog dial / rollerball / direction pad or some way of moving around the screen without just using touch...
you Blackstone owners are the guys in the know - i guess you've had the HD for a year or so - how do you find it? Do you wish you had a hardwarde key to scroll around the screen while browing etc? It always struck me that without a direction control a touch screen definitely became a two-handed device whereas with a jog-dial or similar one is enough for most things.
be great to hear some views - Thanks!
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Think most people would agree with me and state they wished the HD had a d-pad, however with the latest roms available and some extra apps installed like AEBPlus (for directional up & down) you can manage without a d-pad or stylus for everyday use. Unfortunately when it comes to games you are very limited and without this excellent sites dev's most games would be useless for the HD. Thankfully if you search the apps, software & games forums you should be able to find a d-pad usable for games.
I was however a little disappointed that the HD2 doesn't have a d-pad (or drivers) as I thought HTC may have learnt, obviously not

leftkats said:
WM6.5 is created as such you will not need the stylus a lot...
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That's true, but with the capacitive screen of the HD2, you can't use a stylus at all,so not needing it much is still a big problem. This is paticularly true if you use Office mobile a lot like I do or want to accurately cut and copy text.

Moandal said:
That's true, but with the capacitive screen of the HD2, you can't use a stylus at all,so not needing it much is still a big problem. This is paticularly true if you use Office mobile a lot like I do or want to accurately cut and copy text.
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oh yes... I forgot the cut and paste thing... I use my stylus for that as well... I am sure I will figure out something else to mask the problem...

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oh yes... I forgot the cut and paste thing... I use my stylus for that as well... I am sure I will figure out something else to mask the problem...
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What does cut&paste have to do with the stylus? Is there some feature I don't know of?
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Think most people would agree with me and state they wished the HD had a d-pad, however with the latest roms available and some extra apps installed like AEBPlus (for directional up & down) you can manage without a d-pad or stylus for everyday use. Unfortunately when it comes to games you are very limited and without this excellent sites dev's most games would be useless for the HD. Thankfully if you search the apps, software & games forums you should be able to find a d-pad usable for games.
I was however a little disappointed that the HD2 doesn't have a d-pad (or drivers) as I thought HTC may have learnt, obviously not
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Well - I don't agree at all! Screen size is everything - and if the HD2 had a DPAD, the screen would have to be smaller... I can't think of a single situation where I would need a DPAD! What do you need it for?
And concerning the OP: I use the device with one hand most of the time as well... When texting, I can use my thumb (or both thumbs if I want to type faster) without problems. The same applies to scrolling. The only problem I have is with older WM builds with the start menu icon in the top left corner - it's hard to stretch the thumb all the way across the screen - but with newer builds (6.5.1) the start menu has moved to the bottom. So that problem is going to be taken care of!

MAMeingast said:
What does cut&paste have to do with the stylus? Is there some feature I don't know of?
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It is much easier to select text with your stylus in order to cut or copy text. It is more precise, as mentioned on an earlier post.

MAMeingast said:
Well - I don't agree at all! Screen size is everything - and if the HD2 had a DPAD, the screen would have to be smaller... I can't think of a single situation where I would need a DPAD! What do you need it for?
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If you had read my post I was hinting at a d-pad for gaming.......everyday use I don't need it, but for gaming, thats a different matter for a lot of people.

An optical pad is not that big. No need to cut the screen size.
The difference is such like hard keyboard and touch keyboard.
quite some people cannot live without a hard keyboard.

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It is much easier to select text with your stylus in order to cut or copy text. It is more precise, as mentioned on an earlier post.
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Ah - ok! I thought there was some special way to copy and paste using the stylus. Yes: That's very true. Text selection is alot easier with the stylus. That would be an issue they'd have to address on the HD2. Isn't there some zoom & select feature on the iphone? That would make alot of sense to me...
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If you had read my post I was hinting at a d-pad for gaming.......everyday use I don't need it, but for gaming, thats a different matter for a lot of people.
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Ok - some games do require a DPAD. But many new games will not, specifically because devices like the HD and the HD2 do not have one. Also, as I've said: screen size is everything to me. I don't really care for games (there are enough good games working without a DPAD) and prefer a bigger screen. And that was my point: Your post began with the sentence "Think most people would agree with me and state they wished the HD had a d-pad" and I just wanted to reply: I don't!

I only use the stylus when I play solitaire and surf the web; clicking links could be quite an annoyance without a stylus.

MAMeingast said:
Ok - some games do require a DPAD. But many new games will not, specifically because devices like the HD and the HD2 do not have one. Also, as I've said: screen size is everything to me. I don't really care for games (there are enough good games working without a DPAD) and prefer a bigger screen. And that was my point: Your post began with the sentence "Think most people would agree with me and state they wished the HD had a d-pad" and I just wanted to reply: I don't!
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No probs, but I actually agree with you. I don't really use the stylus at all any more and I'm not into gaming that much either, but there has been a lot of development in the software forum for a d-pad for games not specifically designed for the HD so there is still a demand for a d-pad.

Toss3 said:
I only use the stylus when I play solitaire and surf the web; clicking links could be quite an annoyance without a stylus.
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Think this is were some of the improvements in the HD may really shine with the new capacitive screen. Hopefully this will make browsing more like the iphone experience...or hopefully better again. Only time will tell.

MAMeingast said:
Ah - ok! I thought there was some special way to copy and paste using the stylus. Yes: That's very true. Text selection is alot easier with the stylus. That would be an issue they'd have to address on the HD2. Isn't there some zoom & select feature on the iphone? That would make alot of sense to me...
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Regarding the zoom thing.. I saw a video the other day where igo8 was running on HD2, and the guy would pitch and zoom on the map, but it seemed as the whole program was zoomed in, not just the map. If this is true and it can be achieved in other programs then selecting text won't be (that much of) a problem...

IMHO, having no D-pad is a major pain, particularly with single handed contact's selection and controlling music FF,play,pause,skip without having to pull it out of your pocket, turn the screen on and do it there.....it really is such a backward's step for what I've just said, its not even debatable in my eye's
Have tried a couple of games with the onscreen controls briefly and thats as much as I ever want to try it....I thought it was useless.....missing D-pad's is one of the biggest backward's step's with most newer model's for me.
Stylus is my reason for using WM, if it didn't have it, I wouldn't use it, high res screen's with small text and icon's, precision, clean screen, faster typing [for me]...stylus is windows mobile imo, although the shell's and interface add on's have made them much more useful without a stylus...what's the point, might as well buy one of the other three major mobile OS's as you lose the benefit's of point precision combined with dense data and high resolution.
The stylus is less of a pain on the diamond and HD because pulling it out also turn's the device on, although I would prefer it top mounted than the bottom.
My 2 cent's anyway.

Regarding text selection on the HD2:
http://pocketnow.com/software-1/selecting-text-on-the-htc-hd2

in that video he says that new text selection functionality is only available in the HTC Sense part of the UI, and not in the basic Windows Mobile bits... which is a shame.
The main use of a direction pad / rollerball for me is selecting links while browsing, esp where there is a long vertical list of links to chose from - using my G1 if i don't use the rollerball I am always hitting the wrong one (and I don't want to zoom in just to select a link!).
Having switched to Android, the only reason I feel like giving WMob another go is the specs on this thing - primarily the RAM, which is just awesome. I guess that given that most of the new ultra-high-end android devices that I am chosing between are similar in not having any other form of input other than the screen (htc rachel, acer liquid etc) I guess it shouldn't alter my choice much.
I think the real deciding factor is that the HD2 is going to be the first one that is actually going to make it to the market and the fact that i am eligable for an upgrade is burning a hole in my pocket!