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Smooth video that is also in-sync (seems a tall order for the Trinity)

Hi
I have an Orange SPV-M700, running the original WM5. Try as I might I am finding it difficult to get videos to play without dropping frames and often the audio being out of sync.
I know that the bitrate of videos makes a difference, and if I use very low bitrate videos admittedly the frame-dropping reduces. However, I am basing my results on the fact that I have owned several PDAs and the SPV-M700 is the latest, with the 400hz processor and yet it plays videos worse than any previous PDA I have owned.
I am testing using the same bunch of videos which played absolutely fine on my XDAIIi and also on my old HP4150. Software I am trying is TCPMP (7.2), Pocket TV, Windows Media Player 10 etc. I have performed exhaustive tests with almost every configurable setting each player offers. But whatever I try I find the video performance of the SPV-M700 disappointing and considering it has a fast processor I am very puzzled.
I have even tried three different makes of SD card and that seems to make hardly any difference. Do you think that the SD cards are not reading quick enough on this device, as surely the processor should be able to play videos efficiently?
I gather that TCPMP (which has always been my favourite media player for the Pocket-PC) doesn't properly support the Imageon chip - does the Core Player that you have to purchase work any better? - I believe that it comes from the same background as TCPMP.
I would appreciate any input or thoughts, and what your experience has been like with videos on the Trinity. It's really bugging me. I don't want to have to encode all my videos at lower bitrates - it's taking a step backwards and I purchased the SPV-M700 as an upgrade, not a downgrade!!!
At the moment, although it's bulkier, I am starting to think I'd be better off sticking with my XDAIIi and dumping the SPV-M700. I say this because I have also had much frustration with the well known Mini-SD card compatibility problems that the Trinity suffers.
A beautifully sized device like the Trinity is sadly let down by these sort of issues.
Thanks in advance
Spivvy.

Well, I had no problems with playback at all.
I use MPEG4 video at 512-640 bitrate with AAC audio at 96 bitrate all in a 3GP container. With these settings I get crystal clear results.

Hi OrageSpiv,
Before i used to own a Hermes that had a bad issue with it's imageon chip and TCPMP and Coreplayer (early versions). I paid something like $20AUS and it not only solved the issue on my Hermes but increased the perfomance so when I benchmarked my 320x240 512kb-Divx 128kb-mp3 movies to run on 300%-400% average. I tried it on my new Trinity 3600i and it sores along at 400% + I think since you have a 400mhz processor your perfomance will be similar to what I got on my Hermes Samsung 400mhz processor. I'd strongly recommend getting their newest version instead of the TCPMP betas.
Hope this helps.
Regards,
Slither2006.

Hi Slither
Many thanks for the reply - that's exactly the sort of information I was looking for. I know that I could lower the bitrate of videos etc but I am more interested in playing videos that used to play well on older Pocket PCs.
I will consider buying CorePlayer and I will let you know how I get on.
Thanks
Spivvy

Hi
Well, I said I would get back to you if I decided to purchase CorePlayer. Slither's post was encouraging so I purchased CorePlayer and I can happily say that my initial tests are very good.
I have tried playing some of the video files that were not running as well as I had hoped and they play smoother, with fewer dropped frames and better audio sync than they did previously with TCPMP, MediaPlayer, Pocket TV etc.
The above findings are without changing any of the default settings within CorePlayer so I reckon there may even be scope for further improvement.
At the moment I am a very happy chappie - it's early days but the signs are good and I already feel that I have a better video player on my SPV-M700.
I'll report back later when I have made more tests etc. If any of you have had similar experiences it would be good to share them on here.
Cheers for now
Spivvy

Hi OrangeSpiv,
How was yr coreplayer testing so far? r u manage to play DIVX movie smoothly using this software? I recently bought a p3600i but experincing the same problem you mentioned earlier. Trying to play divx movie i downloaded such as "Heroes" using TCPMP 0.72 but experiencing the lose of frame rate (lagging). Any other software which can play divx smoothly on our 3600 ? Thks.

youtube on X1 is slower than my 240mhz wizard

I have tested youtube on several x1 Roms and i am extremely annoyed with how pathetic the situation is. The only way to play the videos at full framerate is to drop the quality to "fast download". Otherwise its just too choppy
Roms with new ati drivers are a bit better but are still slower than my 3year old overclocked wizard.
Will thc/se/qualcomm ever fix their "drivers"

fatso485 said:
I have tested youtube on several x1 Roms and i am extremely annoyed with how pathetic the situation is. The only way to play the videos at full framerate is to drop the quality to "fast download". Otherwise its just too choppy
Roms with new ati drivers are a bit better but are still slower than my 3year old overclocked wizard.
Will thc/se/qualcomm ever fix their "drivers"
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Can you say what ati drivers did you upadated and where did you get them?

EDGE or HSDPA ??
The internet speed difference is brutal...

You gotta compare the resolution between the two. The Xperia has much more pixel to render. So yeah if we put a QVGA LCD on the Xperia things will be fast as hell.
Anyway I can still watch Youtube videos smoothly with the high quality chosen without any problem.

for updated drivers i used jockeys rom 1.08
for both devices i used wifi and the demo version of core player and htc's youtube player
the x1 has 5x the resolution but the videos are only slightly higher than qvga for the standard video
nktpro, what Rom are you using (i want to test it)can you test this video: just search "gears of war mad world" you will get 1 minute that plays perfectly on my overclocked wizard but not on X1. thw x1 pic quality is *slightly* better due to its screen. overall the experiance is still better on the wizard due to the full frame rate

I watched the gears of war trailer and it run smooth on my x1, no lag at all. I thinki the internet connection might be your problem.

youtube by wifi is working fine. but use the htc youtube player NOT core player.
the core player is a very good program, but not the includet youtube browser.
the video quality is very poor. the same movies with htc youtube player, with high quali option set, is much better. its different like qvga to vga. and the picture is much clearer at all.

Use HTC youtube player. I watch youtube HD videos in full screen with max frame rate. No lags/slow downs whats so ever. Core player sucks at playing youtube videos.

i am using the htc you tube player.
if its playing perfectly (30fps) on many people machines then it must be my problem. im using rom (chalid 0.03) now.
what rom are you using i need to flash to something else to see if it helps

fatso485 said:
i am using the htc you tube player.
if its playing perfectly (30fps) on many people machines then it must be my problem. im using rom (chalid 0.03) now.
what rom are you using i need to flash to something else to see if it helps
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Also using HTC YouTube player on original french rom, no issue! it works so well ! I am really surprised when I see the number of complaints/concerns in the fourm ! I cannot believe them, My X1 is so perfect & no issue ! sometimes (not here), it fills trolls sender (ok, i am closing my out of subject...)
Louis

fatso485 said:
i am using the htc you tube player.
if its playing perfectly (30fps) on many people machines then it must be my problem. im using rom (chalid 0.03) now.
what rom are you using i need to flash to something else to see if it helps
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Nothing. Im running stock ROM. and all those tweaks and ati driver didnt improve the video playback at all btw, so i went back to default settings and tweaks. "If its not broken, dont fix it!"

Concerned about Xvid playback, how bad is it?

Hope someone can offer me some advice. Video playback is very high on my priorities. I currently have an Omnia which is pretty flawless playing back DIVX or XVID encoded files. I am not interested in playing back High Def content, only xvid/divx avi files that I download such as TV and DVD Rips.
How good is the Touch HD with Coreplayer, I am pretty worried from all that I read about HTC/Qualcomm drivers not working properly and this is a deal breaker for me. I don't know if the Touch Pro 2 is the same, I know it has the same processor.
I have been out of contract for a couple of months and was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play, at least until Coreplayer for Iphone is released. I was happy with my Omnia but I seem to have endless problems with getting programs working as they should and of course there is no official support on this site.
If video playback is ok for these type of files I may go for either the Diamond 2/Touch Pro 2 or Touch HD as they all seem to be a similiar spec.

Booo, DivX on HD
One of the main reasons I bought my Touch HD was for playing Divx. I have a couple of old Dell Axims which have been great but the attraction with the Touch HD was it was a phone aswell, GPS, bluetooth for the car and I could watch films on the train to work in high res still.
Actually, it's a bit rubbish in my opinion. The screen is amazing but you cannot use TCPMP that well as it judders too much. So you have to resort to using the pretty limited Coreplayer (no AC3 support which is annoying when you only realise after you have boarded your train to work!). No easy way of fast forwarding as you cannot program all the soft touch buttons. No easy way of raising / lowering the volume either.
Oh yes and it still skips and judders in Coreplayer unless you are watching a boring movie about paint drying as it has no movement on the screen.
I bet you will get a ton of positive responses but this is what I think. If you are still tempted after my rant about the HD then I would suggest trying it.
of course if you are interested in buying it then it is an amazing DivX player and works flawlessly.

I will second Damians post, although Rubbish might be a little harsh...
Like you I was very excited to basically just drop a couple of TV shows on the Storage Card without any interaction and start playing them on my way to work but it didn't take long to realize that was merely a dream...
I consider myself being picky about quality and as of now the quality in such a setup is not watchable. At the moment I encode with Super and then transfer to Storage Card (got it setup fairly automatic with MobSync). I am holding on with hopes of better compatibility from CorePlayer (support for the chip), a better player or any other major breakthrough in the issue since I do think that for me there is no phone on the market that can beat the incredible screen... that I believe was made for watching media such as described.... sigh...
On a small note.... I had the Diamond2 to compare (benchmarked and simple visual comparison) side by side and though benchmarking exceeds the Touch HD (HD: 75-90% vs D2: 105-120%) as well as the visual appearence.... the screen really is a major difference that might be worth waiting for a better HD solution...
2 cents... signed and delivered...
//Nik

Thanks for the advice. I was hoping for something more positive re playback but you more or less just confirmed what I thought. I think I'm going to go for the new Iphone this summer if I need to convert files anyway.

I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.

There is a tool, called "HTC Touch HD Video Converter", just search the forum. Works very fast, esp. on two core machines. In my opinion, this is the best converter, every movie i've converted with this tool runs just gorgeous on my touch HD using the built-in player Album. No delays, no sound issues at all - just like it should be, smooth and the picture is brilliant.
I used different converters and I don't know what's so special about this one but it just works, other didn't (in my case). I was kinda disappointed with the touch HD, videos didn't run smoothly, I even wanted to buy the ipod touch, before I used this tool.

here we go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=467112

meddleuk said:
was waiting to get an Iphone but I will have to encode all my xvid files in order for them to play
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I think this information is'nt correct. You have tried out the free vxflash from Cydia store? You should be able to play divx, xvid, and flv files directly with iPhone with no conversion.
See http://www.iclarified.com/entry/index.php?enid=3895

smeddy said:
I havn't found it too bad to be honest (and I'm another perfectionist). I was annoyed for weeks and spent ages scanning this forum and different options, but as it stands, on the newest stock rom (which only uses up 29% of ROM), using SDcard tune-up, and the best options in Coreplayer (turning sound to mono-join etc), I get no skips in films or TV shows. I'm perfectly happy with it, although I do make sure to check the videos play once I've dropped them on (and 8 out 10 of thousands of Divx/Xvid/Avis from loads of sources work on the box).
So 8/10 for me. I'll try to provide more info if you need.
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Would you mind sharing your config.xml located in Application Data/CorePlayer?
(...or specify your settings manually, but I think above would be easier)
I feel like I've tried all possible settings with no success. It would be greatly appreciated!
//Nik

I was also very excited when i finally got my Touch HD, espacially for watching TV series like you guys. 3 hours on the train is not bearable without some kind of entertainment . Well at first i also was very frustrated cause i am one of those people that instantly pick up jerky movement in a movie or when the sound lags just a few frames behind. Ever tried watching 4:3 content on a 16:9 tv, but stretched? Everytime i see something like that, i feel the urge to cry But there are many people that do not pick up such things.
Got a bit offtopic here, sorry. What i wanted to say is, i got accustomed to the slight jerky movement while watching something. The luxury of being able to pull out your phone, attach your headset and simply watch something while on the train, the bus or somewhere else, simply outweighs the not so fluent playback. As already mentioned the display is absolutely gorgeous. This is of course my oppinion. Using coreplayer on Topix 2.1.

Hey I've uploaded it (as a text file). For this, anything xvid, avi, divx, mpg etc. just seems to work (well, 9 out of 10 files, ranging from 174mb TV shows to 1gb movies).
Will be interested to know your thoughts or offer any further feedback,

Another thumbs up for Projections Video Encoding GUI - films I've converted are very smooth and audio and video are all in sync. A great app.

Try this program too. It'll help you find and open your video files with the HTC Album. Click on the link for more details.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=520604

Hi, I tried TCPMP and then Coreplayer to play standard resolution Divx files. With coreplayer I get very good results after increasing the buffer it uses for video and audio.
I'm using regular Divx or xvid movies, with MP3 audio. I'm using episodes from House M.D. for example, in high definition, and they look perfectly good. A movie like Terminator, with high movement, a lot of explosions, etc, is more difficult to handle. But overall I'm satisfied with what you get with the correct software and settings.
Unfortunately I have come to realize after trying several devices and hundreds of programs that Windows Mobile programming is still on it's infancy and 95% of the programmers cannot reach an aceptable level of ussability. I'm tired of big slow programs, that cannot display the simplest of 2D screen while in others you can pan or zoom a photo fast, or display video full screen at 20 - 25 fps. That shows you that the hardware is capable of fast processing and screen redraw, just most programs are too big and too slow.

Leo Video Performance

Hi there,
A couple of questions from a HD owner about the Leo.
Can anyone comment on the video performance on the phone if you drop a non converted avi file/movie. HD used to stutter and get out of synch... Can you use VLC or CorePlayer with any file? Is it smooth?
Also anyone notice lag in the interface?
Love the phone, but I want it to run ABSOLUTELY smoothly... While the HD is fantastic, it's still get frustrating to use at time.

Lots of people have already commented on it. There are threads for those questions, give them a read.

What a waste of a response... It feels like the assumption on this forum is that everyone has time to go and read EVERYTHING and/or that search engines are so developed, brain usage should become irrelevant...
Pathetic...

Depends on the size and bitrate of the avi file, as well as the background programs running. I tried running a 848x480 882kbps(video) avi file and sometimes it stutters every minute or so, sometimes it just runs smoothly. Let's just say that... it's perfectly watchable. Not any moments where I can see the video being tremendously out of sync with the audio. Also tried a 704x400 826kbps(video) XviD file as well... and that runs fine.
I was using CorePlayer.
I don't have any HD avi files, but trying to play HD mkv files fail. (just manages to play 400px-height mkv files)

Using Coreplayer, video's have screen tearing when using directdraw but the performance of playback is good.
What I did was switch to GDI, no more screen tearing but the benchmark score is lower than directdraw. Also changed the smooth zoom to always be on and not only at 50%. This help reduce pixellation.
A standard tv episode avi file (624x352, 350MB) that can be found on various sites runs perfectly fine.
I think the developers at Coreplayer need to add some sort of hardware acceleration for the HD2. Maybe QTV or something along those lines...

globiboulga said:
What a waste of a response... It feels like the assumption on this forum is that everyone has time to go and read EVERYTHING and/or that search engines are so developed, brain usage should become irrelevant...
Pathetic...
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How hard is it to look down the list of posts on the first page even? The thread is there. Perhaps you really do have a problem with brain usage.

Just a quick question... when you guys say "Coreplayer" you mean windows Media Player, yes? Or is there another player in there I haven't found.....

Armes said:
Just a quick question... when you guys say "Coreplayer" you mean windows Media Player, yes? Or is there another player in there I haven't found.....
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http://www.handango.com/catalog/Pro...&deviceId=2276&platformId=30&productId=198168

mr_Ray said:
How hard is it to look down the list of posts on the first page even? The thread is there. Perhaps you really do have a problem with brain usage.
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Have to say I am in total agreement with you.
Having so many new, new and even more new topics all based on the same subject may be easy for the poster creating a new topic but it's hell when you have to reply to one that may contradict another topic.
Much easier to have them all together under one umbrella of a topic.

jah said:
http://www.handango.com/catalog/Pro...&deviceId=2276&platformId=30&productId=198168
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Ta very much!!!

cortk said:
Depends on the size and bitrate of the avi file, as well as the background programs running. I tried running a 848x480 882kbps(video) avi file and sometimes it stutters every minute or so, sometimes it just runs smoothly. Let's just say that... it's perfectly watchable. Not any moments where I can see the video being tremendously out of sync with the audio. Also tried a 704x400 826kbps(video) XviD file as well... and that runs fine.
I was using CorePlayer.
I don't have any HD avi files, but trying to play HD mkv files fail. (just manages to play 400px-height mkv files)
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just wanted to know how you where able to play xvid file? I got some strange green lines on coreplayer and huge lagging on mobile divx player, and it was a standard 700X400 clip.

Here's a nice sample I've made for the HD2.
http://gamesquare.co.uk/leo/toystory3-tlr1_h720p.mp4
Play in the album, this video shows the HD2 screen off quite nicely!
(800x480, 1500kbps x264, 128kbps AAC-LC, 1-pass)
Encoding was done in xvid4psp with custom settings.

[Q] Android Video Player?

I cant seem to find a single video player in the Market that plays a range of formats, primarily wmv and avi that I have downloaded.
Any suggestions?
I have to make the commute to work a little more bearable since I broke my Sony e-reader...

i know that the 'rock player' plays avi and mkv files, have you tried that one?

Thanks for your reply, I just checked out rock player and it doesn't seem to work.... opens the video for a split second before closing it again...
I guess I'll keep looking.
Any dev looking to port VLC over to android?

BoogWeed said:
Thanks for your reply, I just checked out rock player and it doesn't seem to work.... opens the video for a split second before closing it again...
I guess I'll keep looking.
Any dev looking to port VLC over to android?
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oh thats strange, it works on my hero (they have different versions for different devices, make sure you downloaded the ARMv6 one)
but tbh its not great because theres a lag between the video and the audio, most probably because of the hero's slower processor. i'm looking for a good video player as well

Hmm.. Rock Player started to work by itself.. kinda.
Plays the video for about 15 seconds (very choppy, even after all tasks killed and using a blank Sense Scene) and then freezes the phone, have to remove the battery..

Have u overclocked?
My hero wouldnt run RockPlayer on 691MHz as MAX. Had to down it to 652.
in the end i deleted it, since the video was choppy. i guess the processor just isnt up to handling large video + i hate ruining films on a small screen.
there are some forum posts on VLC Forum about porting to Android... i think the conclusion was that it wasnt going to happen?

My phone is indeed overclocked, to 672Mhz.
I'll try messing around with the OC settings and see if it makes a difference.
I know the processor is *only* 528MHz (stock), but I remember watching videos perfectly well on my Packard Bell 166Mhz, 32mb RAM, 2mb Video card pc...
I think Android should be doing a LOT better with with handling Video, see my post in the "Android 2.3?" thread...

BoogWeed said:
I know the processor is *only* 528MHz (stock), but I remember watching videos perfectly well on my Packard Bell 166Mhz, 32mb RAM, 2mb Video card pc...
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There is a significant difference between the low quality avi files of the past and the h264 mkv content of today. Some of the recent files require a minimum of a 2GHz processor to run (understandably 1080p content, but still). And lets not forget about the instruction sets which provide desktop cpu's with a boost in those areas. Furthermore, considering your phone only has a cpu and no dedicated or otherwise gpu it isn't all that surprising.
Even running an average quality dvd rip avi file my CPU is running at between 15-25% and I have an overclocked dual core 3.33GHz intel cpu E7300 (25% is roughly 833MHz). Not to mention GPU usage, which at this time I can't be bothered to record.
I understand that this is not definitive evidence but I am using it to show that you are simplifying the problem. TV shows and movies that are ripped now have much higher quality resolutions and bitrates than those of the past, it is not surprising that they require higher processing power. Realistically a 528MHz low power phone cpu is unlikely to be able to keep up with these improvements. Just like the low power Intel Atom desktop chips fail to run 1080p video (even the dual core one) running somewhere in excess of 1GHz (think its 1.6GHz).
That wasn't meant to be such a huge rant...

HAHA! I know I totally simplified it but I guess I was just trying to say that a smart phone in 2010 should be able to handle video with no problems...
My upgrade is due in January, so new handset here I come!
Will be funny to see the (still awesome, despite my rant) HTC Hero become my backup phone...