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Question regarding the Internal memory of O2 XDA Exec

Hi all,
Could anyone please tell me the differences between the storage memory and the program memory? Yeah, I know this might sounds stupid and I also wish that the answer is really that straight forward.
I always thought that 'Program Memory' is suppose the memory quota for us to install application & softwares. Where, storage memory is just simply the portion of memory where we stores data that we creates.
But whenever I install applications, 'storage' is the memory which always to be used up. Yet, I can hardly use up my 'program' portion of memory...
Can anyone tell me why? and how to install applications in the program memory instead of storage memory?
Thank you very much.
Cheers!

Search would have helped a great deal here, FAQ.
Storage is Flash
Programs is RAM
WM5 works the same way as a desktop. It loads the OS from disk to RAM when you power it on. When you remove the battery everything is safely stored to disc, not RAM as WM2003 was. Battery can go flat, no backup battery needed.

PReDiToR said:
Search would have helped a great deal here, FAQ.
Storage is Flash
Programs is RAM
WM5 works the same way as a desktop. It loads the OS from disk to RAM when you power it on. When you remove the battery everything is safely stored to disc, not RAM as WM2003 was. Battery can go flat, no backup battery needed.
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..... so how do you save stuff to Program memory? Or is that just temp momory that stuff runs from when you execute it?

You can`t save stuff to program memory.The program memory is like the RAM in your PC,just used for temporary storage and running programs.The storage memory is like the hard drive in your PC,used for actually `storing` data.

liverman666 said:
You can`t save stuff to program memory.The program memory is like the RAM in your PC,just used for temporary storage and running programs.The storage memory is like the hard drive in your PC,used for actually `storing` data.
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So why do they bother displaying it on the memory settings?
And does that mean it's different to how it was on the XDA2? That used to have a slider allowing you to change the allocation for storage/program memory.

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I find storage memory is the one you need to watch out. As you install more programs whether to SD card or to Program memory the storage memory goes down
Too low storage memory and your system will not perform properly. Install programs with large file size first then follow by programs with smaller file size otherwise you'll encounter installation 'Not enough memory' if you do it the other way round

Should/can I move apps to storage card?

Hi
I have installed a few programs on my TD2 - all to device rather than storage card - and am getting a little concerned that performance may be suffering. With my prevous device I used SK Tools to move apps to the card - but I'm not 100% clear whether this is good practice.
With nothing running, Settings reports 223.10 MB free for storage (75.29 in use) and 75.87 MD free for programs (108 in use). I have installed things like Sprite Backup and Terminator, ActivePrint, SPB FreeCell, MyLife Organized PocketPC Edition, Resco Sudoku Touch and Gaz TD2 Tools.
Really grateful for any advice.
Thanks

I don't see why installing programs to the device memory should cause performance to suffer? It's only available RAM memory which affects performance, and this remains the same whether you instal to the device or to the card. It's when you open, and leave open, several programs at once that performance suffers.
The nice thing about modern phones is the amount of internal storage, which is plenty for masses of programs. The only performance issue you may have is when downloading large files with Internet Explorer, as I think it uses internal storage as temporary space for the file being downloaded, even if you tell it to save to the memory card. I don't think Opera does this though.
Installing programs to the card means you can't "hot-swap" it unless you're absolutely sure all the programs are closed.

In addition to the above internal phone mem is faster than mem card so performance takes a hit if you use the card.
And you run the risk of more freezes and resets being needed.
It is my firm belief that the use of internal mem avoids a lot of hassles all round by making the phone more stable.
And I almost forgot that internal mem uses less battery power than mem cards.

Easy answer...
Use removable storage for data, on-board storage for apps.
If you have too many apps for on-board storage, consider a slimmer ROM for your phone. Remember on-board storage also works as RAM for your apps, so the more you have available, the more apps you can run.

DeathJester said:
Use removable storage for data, on-board storage for apps.
If you have too many apps for on-board storage, consider a slimmer ROM for your phone. Remember on-board storage also works as RAM for your apps, so the more you have available, the more apps you can run.
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I'd check on that last statement if I were you!
The Topaz has 3 memory areas.
One for flashed ROM.
One for operating RAM.
AND one for storage.
It makes no difference how much you put in storage RAM.
It does make a difference how many apps are running at any one time in operating RAM.
A slimmer ROM image won't make much difference either.
How much of that ROM image is unnecessarily floating around in operating RAM at any one time will make a difference.
Go to settings/system/device information/hardware inforamation
I currently show
RAM size
288 MB
Flash memory size
512 MB
Storage size
342.47 MB
That's a lot of free storage available onboard that is just waiting to be used.
If you go into settings/system/memory you will find storage and program memory values displayed.
Install an app and the in use value of storage memory goes up.
Run an app and the in use value of program memory goes up.
Showing that they are two quite separate physical areas running "independantly" of each other.

Thanks!
Thanks for the helpful responses - much appreciated.
Andrew

werdna72 said:
Thanks for the helpful responses - much appreciated.
Andrew
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Your welcome to any help we can give.

Memory usage

Hello,
Can someone elaborate on what is meant by Storage memory and Program memory?
I would expect storage to be My Docs and Programs to be Windows and so on. I ask since my Storage allocation is two thirds full and all my docs on the device is empty. I use the SD card for that.
Cheers.

rphillip said:
Hello,
Can someone elaborate on what is meant by Storage memory and Program memory?
I would expect storage to be My Docs and Programs to be Windows and so on. I ask since my Storage allocation is two thirds full and all my docs on the device is empty. I use the SD card for that.
Cheers.
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-Storage memory is memory used for saving files on you're phone, extention is you're memory card (micro SD).
-Program memory, is like the RAM-memory on you're PC, this is used when running programmes, watching movies-pictures...

Thanks. Well there are two storage areas. "Main" and "Storage Card". My query is for "Main". Within this there is "Storage" and "Program".
I would like to know what is used for what so I can look in a specific area and delete stuff I don't need. Like I said "Storage" seems rather full but I do not store anything on the phone itself. I use the storage card which does not present a problem.

In the storage info on the settings tab, under device it shows "storage" which is like your hard drive, and "program" which is like your RAM. Obviously, you don't actually have a hard drive. It's just an example
There's certain stuff that gets cached on the internal storage, and this can obviously bump up the space that's used (there's threads on here for cleaning/moving these things). Then there's the other culprit - Marketplace. If you've installed stuff from there, it's on internet memory, not your storage card. Also, do you install software to the device, or to the storage card? I only put essential stuff on the device, and stuff that I can live without on the storage card.
Just thoughts and suggestions.

johncmolyneux said:
In the storage info on the settings tab, under device it shows "storage" which is like your hard drive, and "program" which is like your RAM. Obviously, you don't actually have a hard drive. It's just an example
There's certain stuff that gets cached on the internal storage, and this can obviously bump up the space that's used (there's threads on here for cleaning/moving these things). Then there's the other culprit - Marketplace. If you've installed stuff from there, it's on internet memory, not your storage card. Also, do you install software to the device, or to the storage card? I only put essential stuff on the device, and stuff that I can live without on the storage card.
Just thoughts and suggestions.
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Ah ok that explains a little then. I have been installing cabs to the device.

Do not understand; my total storage memory is 181,23MB, in use is 175,21MB, but when I check in explorer, there is only 89MB in use. What am I missing here??
Also, what does it mean program storage - total space 336,97MB?
Flash size 512MB, RAM size 448MB, what is the difference?

Its rather more complex than it ought to be, and HTC are being a little 'economical' with the truth!
It has 512MB of total storage, of which about 175MB is taken up by the ROM image. This leaves the 337MB you see reported. Of this, about 150MB is taken up by the HTC Sense system, then another chunk by the video memory leaving around 135MB free to the user. The new 'Light' custom ROMs without HTC Sense have over 300MB free to the user.
The 448MB RAM is just that- same as a PCs RAM. Even after loading the OS on startup there is ample ROM left for pretty much any eventuality!

How do you save space on your main harddisk?

The capacity of the main storage is very limited. Off course you can install everything on the SD-card, but that stil takes a little amount of memory of the main storage. I now have left only 45 mb of free space, which i think will cause slow-down en surely limit my options to install more apps.
So i tried to remove some standard apps like copilot, but that seems impossible. I wonder which ways you have found to save space, en whether/ how less space will effect the performance of your hd2?

there are a few space saving tips in the "hints and tips"sticky.

samsamuel said:
there are a few space saving tips in the "hints and tips"sticky.
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Thanx! But i'm afraid those tips won't save me more than 20 mb.

you could always instal some stuff to the card instead of the internal memory. pocket mechanic can move apps that are already installed without needing to reinstall them.

ozer86 said:
I now have left only 45 mb of free space, which i think will cause slow-down en surely limit my options to install more apps.
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45mb should be enough space for you to install many more apps, as most WM software is only a few meg, and always there is the SD card to install big software (maybe sat nav or large games)
The storage memory is designed to be used to install software and should not be confused with the program memory (used by software running) so there will be no slowdown caused by filling it up.

[Q] question about internal memory

hey guys so finally I was able to move most of my apps to the storage card as I had only less than 40 mb left on the internal storage,
I used the adb method that was posted on this forum, know that i have over 140 apps installed, I kept on purpose the IGO and 4 other apps on the internal memory which take about 50 mb by. But besides that I moved all the other apps to the storage card. The weird thing is that I am now left with about 115 mb out of a total 380 mb from the internal storage.
What is taking the remaining memory from the internal storage?

You'll still have some space taken up by the apps you left on for widgets etc, and the ones that went to the sd leave a few kb's behind.
The rest is all bloatware my friend, timescape, what's app and all the other sh*t they won't let you uninstall.

Also cache from most programs.
Sent from my R800i using XDA App

yes whats app, timescape, postcard, the sims 3, tetris, playnow etc are some culprits, i cant wait for root to remove this bloat i dont need.

Annoying really.
The SIMS. I hate the SIMS.
Postcard ? Really ??
What's App, 1 year free sub then can't uninstall if you don't pay.
Testris ? In 2011 ??
No thanks, I'd rather have the memory... Oh, I can't !

hykhleif said:
I used the adb method that was posted on this forum
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The adb method will only use the SD Card? or it is the same as moving the app to the SD CARD (Some part of the app will still be on the memory?)
if SD Card only please add the link on how to do it ..
Thanks a lot..

hykhleif said:
hey guys so finally I was able to move most of my apps to the storage card as I had only less than 40 mb left on the internal storage,
I used the adb method that was posted on this forum, know that i have over 140 apps installed, I kept on purpose the IGO and 4 other apps on the internal memory which take about 50 mb by. But besides that I moved all the other apps to the storage card. The weird thing is that I am now left with about 115 mb out of a total 380 mb from the internal storage.
What is taking the remaining memory from the internal storage?
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The 380MB you're talking about is actually the available RAM size (from a total of 512MB). The storage space for installed apps resides in the NAND flash which has a total of 400MB free.
The RAM size will reduce as more background tasks are running, i.e. you kept opening apps and didn't close them properly.
The NAND flash storage space will reduce as you install more and more apps, but many apps are able to offload their data files to the SDcard.