Database Users

New OS's in the future?

Everyone LOVES the iphone.
Even though this is a Windows Mobile forum, we all jump at the chance to have swish finger swipey things running on our phones!
Then when someone comes up with bull threads e.g - I FOUND A STRAY DOG WITH A CIRCUIT BOARD LINKED INTO ITS BRAIN RUNNING IPHONE OS AND PS3 CUSTOM SOFTWARE - etc
......everyone gets excited.
I think the Macishness is leaking into our sacred place and confusing our sensitive minds lol.
I am condeming but I am also running that S2U2 on me Ameo.
Doesnt do anything, but looks like iphone and people love it.
I have never really liked apple...............I found that it was for the girls and guys in our offices who have too much cash. Or people who are not really tech savy, and they are just following the fashion. Unless you started image manipulation before PC's caught up with the MACS and now you are stuck using them.
This has been bred into me from years on a Windows OS. I have seen Apple Macs as restricted fashionable PC's. BUT THINGS ARE CHANGING!
I love the swipey flowing BULLCropola as much as the next person.
I think this is where BIG THINGS things will start to happen for us Windows Mobile users, previously there has never been a huge deal of choice for us in regards to which OS we run on our devices. If we wanted full control of our hardware we needed Win OS. Now days, my Symbian Series 60 Nokia N95 (now hacked to newest firmware etc) is (IMHO) a better "touchless" environment than any Win Mo 6 Standard device I have seen (apart from the lack of querty)
I can do everything on this device that I used to do on my old Smartphone but much faster and easier.
The only things I need my win mo ameo for are for work really. I need VGA out, higher res screen (real VGA mode) so I can use monitor properly. I need USB host for mouse and keyboard and that is it really. When it comes to surfing the net, its obviously much nicer to have a large screen but in terms of the ~OS's ability to handle my usage, Symbian, Apple LG etc are really doing a good job.
For the first time in YEARS and YEARS! I am now looking at other OS's for my next device as well as Win Mo 6/7/8 etc.
My prediction?
In a few years, the XDA brand in this amazing forums name will be a throw back to the past. In the same way that it highlights O2's XDA brand as the devices we all had first, in the future it will highlight the fact that we all started off with only 1 OS - Microsfot Pocket PC 2000!
I wonder how many of us are using/carrying more than 1 device now that runs a different OS? Sony's Nokia's LG's etc......
I am sure there has been a poll recently.........

Well! You are expressing your view on behalf of everyone- which seems inappropriate.
I hate iphone- it's a layman's device as is nokia(Symbain OS).
Programmatically & by all means I personally feel WM's versatility to be the best OS.

Nokia's at not that bad. However most of them are marketed to a different market so they are not really the best to compare.
The Iphone is a piece of kit for fashionistas who are more interested in a phone that looks good rather than anything else. It's general backward technology is lame. Edge? Really? Why?
My almost 3 year old Hermes has more tech in it than the 1 year old --aside perhaps the screen. And its software is a current as the Iphone and can be had for less. Go figure.
And let's not even get into third party apps....
So I guess your guess is more like a rant.

Android seems like a good future platform, you'd have the moddability of WM with the end user experience of in iPhone. Perfect!

duplicate post

Meh
It seems to me that All the Os's are heading in the same direction, technologically and socially.
Camera's
Storage
Fast data connections
Good Screen and Speakers
Input ability.
I find that using my N95 reminds me of my first smartphone.
I am a member of www.symbian-freak.co.uk and the community there reminds me of Win mobile like 8 years ago.
There is a programming language for the S60 called Python which seems very popular and easy to work with, Nokia has a online application signing at present. Due to the rapidly growing number of users I feel that app signing will change in the future for them. At present I have to personally sign any application that I want to run that is not a commercial release.
Now this reminds me of my first SPV canary when we had to disable the certificate checking to allow unauthorised access. It is really REALLY similar, as is the huge list of applications that grows daily, just like when I used to spend all my time here and on www.modaco.com years ago.
Maybe my comparison to the Iphone was a bad one, and I do apologise for making a statement like "everyone loves Iphone" but its the feedback I get from anyone who plays with Safari on the touch or the iphone, no one can say it is hard to use or aggrevating, especially when you compare the same mobile experience with IE or Opera on Mobile 5 or 6.
Web browsing on my V21. N95 is also phenomenal and has full flash lite 3 support.
All the OS's have different stregnths and weaknesses.
I would NEVER have purchased a NOKIA device 2 years ago. I would have laughed.
However, the S60 V3 platform is BIG there are HUGE numbers of users all hacking and developing just like us here. It is now hacked and modable (all security has been disabled), V4 will be a touch screen environment and all the coders and users will be moving over to these new devices and taking experience with them.
I have apps that do many things that maybe the majority of windows mobile users would not believe. I would not have believed it my self really. I have all the streaming apps that I need, I got core player which is as good as if not better than the win mo flavor I got all the Wifi apps, games, god knows what else. There are so many people developing for the devices.
Its the same for the Iphone. Saying that it is a "laymans" device and that it is not as versatile is not the experience that I have had. Once the device is Jailbroken there are many many many apps available and the list is growing every day. There are Multitudes developing and RE'ing the OS...
I think that a lot of the windows mobile users are not aware of the versatility of other OS's and what people are doing right now.
Yeah, I wouldnt buy one(Iphone) for £300 and take on a contract BUT many people would not have bought an original Windows Smartphone running 2000 for probably the same price!
The Iphone is an amazing bit of tech. It is so thin, so light, the battery is great and the screen is great. Yeah, It has EDGE but how long till 3/4g iphones?
I dont think its prudent to compare the tech as it has been packed so well that surely the technology is heading where Win mobile devices are?
I now use my Nokia FAR more than my Ameo but there are things that I have to do on my ameo as the N95 wont do Host USB etc.
As our communities grow larger from year to year, and as more markets become open to these devices we are going to have SO many people "reverse engineering" and "hacking"
I am guessing that there will be more and more killer apps, maybe we will be switching Os's to run these?
Maybe the Hard core users and exploiters will be moving between these devices and moving the OS's between the devices.
Just like "AKSD" says, having modability is very important.
Iphone has thousands of users added to its list every day. The user base is big and growing.
I suppose I was thinking in Cukoo land, expecting things to converge to the point that people are swapping OS's etc especially as Apple etc would not be happy for people to go from device to device but....lol I had a vision....
thinking again, with the open flavor google android......maybe it will be slightly different, maybe different groups of users and developers will all be modding android for their platorms
Just my thoughts.....

Its not so much the operating system on the iphone that is impressive. I happen to have a ipod touch which basically is the same as the iphone but without the phone features. The OS on the iphone is plain and rather boring. What I can do with the HTC touch is worlds more than what most people can do with their iphones. What is impressive with the iphone is the screen. The screen size is bigger than most PDA phones, the ease of use that comes with the screen is impressive. To this day, not one other PDA or phone manufacture has even thought of using the iphone screen on Windows mobile phone. I actually enjoy browsing the net on my ipod touch alot more than any browser I have installed on the Touch (eg. Skyfire, Opera, Piscel, or PIE). Why? Because the screen and the way it flows on the ipod or iphone. Not to mention the fact that the screen happens to be about and inch and a half bigger than most Windows mobile phones. Apple didnt really make a operating system that was better but rather put an operating system on a phone that can handle operations better. I have many friends with iphones that are hacked and their third party software is slowly catching up no where near what WM has. You have to start with the hardware first.

Touch HD vrs Nokia 8500; I want WinMo BUT

Is the HD worth $750 compared to $350 for a device that will do most all the same things? Why?
It seems that s60 software has just about as much as WinMo. I have used winmo since it came out but... And the US version of 8500 will have 3g.

One thing i have learnt is that Nokia don't actually produce good touch screen devices. They are too laggy.
And they aren't even the same thing, so your comparing Oranges and Apples here.
Different screen size, resolution and lower camera resolution.
By the way $350 is a good price since Amazon is selling it for $512.
After buying the HTC and experiencing windows... i will never go back to Symbian.

This is the type of feedback I am interested in. You used symbian before; what is the most dramatic aspect of using WinMo that makes you wish to never go back? What can you do on the HD that you could not do an an 8500?
The resolution is not as high on the 8500 but it is higher than most other devices. Reports are that it is fairly fast.
I ask these questions because I am trying to justify to myself getting the HD.

You have control, you have freedom, you have more options.
You can tweak whatever you want.
Sure you can get the same amount of programs, maybe less for Symbian but the freedom made me stay with Windows.
The Windows platform is sometimes buggy but i think it was well worth the transition from Symbian, and my brothers Symbian crashes sometimes so they all have problems.
Also i wanted to get a PDA to sync information across and use programs that weren't available for any other platform, so why not have a phone built in too.
Also alot of programs i wanted for Film such as PCine and PCam are available for Windows and not Symbian so that was another reason for changing over.
Best thing you can do is write down the main programs you want in regards to GPS etc and go from there.
It took over 2 years to get TomTom working on the N95 GPS reciever, so consider some of the faults you may face on each end.

pdamusthave:
you dont need to push yourself, with pda you can virtually do anything: i am (beside other stuff) using it for administrate my servers using terminal services ANYWHERE. Just check how much software can you get and you have the answer. Symbian cant compete, iphone cant compete, maybe MAYBE someday android will.
I got my first HTC 3.5 years back (blueangel) i am using it for all that time and following this site i am using windows mobile 6.1, the same operating system Touch HD is using, hey I actually had wrote some code and debug it on my workstation on a bus driving to the job. Dont think about those devices like phones rather imagine them as a really small laptop. On the other side, If you are thinking about phones, get a Nokia, you dont need Touch HD.

The O2 XDA II (HTC Himalaya)

I have been an extensive Palm user since 2000, first a III, then a Treo 180, a first generation Monochrome Palm based Smartphone, and then a Treo 650 of which I spent a number of years traveling around the World on Business where the 650 served me extremely well. Packed full of applications (including some self-developed) the 650 took many a battering and drops, but still functioned 100%. I grew to love and depend on the 650 - which to me was the finest Palm ever designed.
This leads me to my first exposure to a Windows phone. The O2 branded XDA II (HTC Himalaya) running with upgraded firmware and Windows Mobile 6.1 (ather90 Dark Edition) which I purchased used for around $70 US.
This phone (and remember it is 6 years old) is nothing short of superb. Constructed very well, stable Software release, mature applications, never crashes, and always holds a 5-bar GPRS signal. It really may replace the 650 as the best smart phone I have ever used.
And it is blazingly fast… 6 years old!! But runs WM 6.1 smoothly and fluidly. Syncs to XP SP3 with no problems.
The OneNote Application is excellent, and in daily use (why have I never heard of this app before???). The Spb GPRS Counter is very nice… (some really great third-party apps that put the Palm to shame I am afraid…).
The one Palm I could not live without application was Agendus Pro. (although I believe there is a Windows Version) - however the built in WM 6.1 Calendar application is more than adequate.
I have used an iPhone and to be honest I prefer the XDA II !!! This is a fantastic and much underrated device. I think it will go down as an HTC classic (and lets face it they have made many devices!).
THIS PHONE IS AN ABSOLUTE CLASSIC!

funny, just to post this review on XDA2
but agreed, XDA2 is really the best & even upgradable to 6.5
Palm is also good, as a phone with the first threaded sms option and simplicity on its OS & customization, even if you change to palm 680/centro or to 750/pro, the customization is always the same so you get to adapt faster.
XDA2 problem is when upgraded to WM5 and above, the battery will only last till around 30%, got to live with this problem.
This is my custom rom for hima 6.5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AscDeP-pQRk
iPhone dialer is too plain, WM smart dial is simple than going into contacts and start scrolling for person name to call.
plus multi tasking with hima's ram is acceptable.
salute to this 6 years old device

hello sir... how can i upgrade my o2 xda II, to himalaya blue angel 6.5?? any tips for me to show that classic PDA can outcome to the next generation phones.. still i love my phone

Windows Phone 7 Series will not support SE X1

Windows Phone 7 Series will not support SE X1
Microsoft is putting an end to free style design and is specifying three variants of Windows Phone 7 devices, that prescribe form factor, CPU, graphics and possibly more. Each variants, or “chassis”, specifies one of the most popular form factors, though we only have specifics for Chassis 1 for now.
Chassis 1 describes the requirements for “big touchscreen” phones. There’s no minimum screen size or resolution yet, but previous rumors suggested 3.6” WVGA. The minimum requirements for the CPU are 1GHz (that’s right - minimum) and graphics hardware is mandatory (Microsoft really wants to ensure a smooth UI experience it seems).
Not much is known about Chassis 2 and Chassis 3. Chassis 2 will have slide-out QWERTY keyboards in addition to the touchscreen (we guess CPU and graphics requirements are the same) and the Chassis 2 devices are said to be Treo-like (strange, because the Treos are bars with portrait QWERTYs, there’s no sliding).
It’s the Windows Phone 7 Chassis 3 devices that have the bar form factor. That would make them Treo-like, rather than the Chassis 2 phones, which sound more like, say, the Sony Ericsson XPERIA X2.
Previous rumors about the minimum hardware requirements for Windows Phone 7 devices also listed minimum camera resolution, GPS, Wi-Fi and even a minimum set of hardware buttons. These vary quite a lot, so we’re not sure about the specifics, but it looks like Windows Phone 7 devices will be inhabiting the high-end segment only.
The first Windows Phone 7 Chassis 1 devices should launch in time for this year's holiday season. There's no word on when Chassis 2 and 3 phones will launch.

This is very old news that both X1 and X2 won't support WM7.

... and yet some people are still asking for it.
(even now when WM7 isn't much more than a concept to the public)

there are even people in hermes forum asking for wm7 roms

The XDA chefs have spoiled everyone lol

I know its a very old news but now its official ;p

Hell, WM 6.5 isn't supported for the X1. Much less WP7....

WM 6.5 isn't supported, but the point is WP7 will likely be IMPOSSIBLE on Xperias.
So long live 6.5 !! (even though companies like Adobe and Skype are already abandoning it)
Is anyone else sad about the demise of Windows Mobile or at least apprehensive about Windows Phone 7 Series?

Demise is too big word I think..
About WM 7 - I feel interested and excited,
but equally afraid of rumours showing it a bit more locked platform.

harveydent said:
Hell, WM 6.5 isn't supported for the X1. Much less WP7....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What does that mean? I see alot of ROMs with titanium and WM 6.5 traits. Heck, even the Samsung Epix supports WM 6.5, it has titanium + the new and improved start menu and soft keys at the bottom.

poetryrocksalot said:
What does that mean? I see alot of ROMs with titanium and WM 6.5 traits. Heck, even the Samsung Epix supports WM 6.5, it has titanium + the new and improved start menu and soft keys at the bottom.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you see an X1 with Win 6.5, it's a hacked phone. There is no official WM 6.5 for the X1. The OP was complaining that WP7 won't be supporting the X1 when there is already no WM6.5 support for the X1 (try calling SE and tell them you're having trouble running 6.5 on your X1 and they'll just laugh at you)

ha, funny, I was just about to ask if X1 can run Win Phone 7
good thing I did a search first
so this post was in Feb, what about now? still can't?

anggogo said:
ha, funny, I was just about to ask if X1 can run Win Phone 7
good thing I did a search first
so this post was in Feb, what about now? still can't?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can not see how anybody would want to put such a worthless UI in there phone, The dam UI looks like it was designed by 12 year old lol. But if you want a UI like that try Windows Phone 7 V2 by Fireslave it's pretty much the same except you can't use WP7 apps and etc.. but you can still multi-task haha .

Microsoft Lumia 950 and 950 XL Discussion

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FMNz6tX1s
2K 5.7 inch OLED Screen ( 564pp a ) ClearBlack technology as the true black with black and Corning Gorilla Glass with a solid maintaining a building with 4 visits . Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8994 810 v2.1 version of the code that uses the named Lumia 950 as xl't performance , to ensure a trouble-free experience on Windows 10 . Adreno 430 graphics processing unit 3GB of RAM and a 32GB microSD supported phone support ( 2TB ) We have storage capacity . As you know Snapdragon ALSO solve the problem by adding warm liquid cooling system in 810 companies , technology has led to a policy that we see in the PC for bringing to mobile devices !

5.7" WQHD (2560 x 1440) 518PPI
Battery6
Replaceable battery
3340mAh
3.8V
Built-in wireless charging, fast charging
Wireless charging standard: Qi
20MP auto focus with two-stage capture key
Digital zoom: 2x
6-lens optics
Optical image stabilization
Sensor size: 1/2.4"
F-number/aperture: f/1.9
Focal length: 26mm
Flash type: Natural flash
Features: Backside-illuminated image sensor, High-resolution zoom 2x, PureView, True 16:9 sensor, Fast Focus
Minimum focus range: 10cm

Wow microsoft really is emptying qualcomm unsold old socs every year.

they seems perfect devices to me...
maybe i will give a try for first time to windows mobile os

My big question is, are both of these really going to be AT&T exclusives? If so, can a purchased unlocked phone be used on Big Red?

They seem great devices. The L950 would be perfect and I was dead set on buying it when it comes out to upgrade the L830. Until I saw they dropped the hardware capacitive buttons for on-screen keys. Makes me reconsider the upgrade, I really don't want that buttons bar on my screen.

muslumcu46 said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32FMNz6tX1s
2K 5.7 inch OLED Screen ( 564pp a ) ClearBlack technology as the true black with black and Corning Gorilla Glass with a solid maintaining a building with 4 visits . Qualcomm Snapdragon MSM8994 810 v2.1 version of the code that uses the named Lumia 950 as xl't performance , to ensure a trouble-free experience on Windows 10 . Adreno 430 graphics processing unit 3GB of RAM and a 32GB microSD supported phone support ( 2TB ) We have storage capacity . As you know Snapdragon ALSO solve the problem by adding warm liquid cooling system in 810 companies , technology has led to a policy that we see in the PC for bringing to mobile devices !
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
this phone has a ppi of 518 not 564. also qualcomm did nothing to add liquid cooling, this was all microsoft. if qualcomm did this then more phones would have this tech but only microsoft has it. microsoft is bringing this tech to their phones from their tablets.

DLS123 said:
They seem great devices. The L950 would be perfect and I was dead set on buying it when it comes out to upgrade the L830. Until I saw they dropped the hardware capacitive buttons for on-screen keys. Makes me reconsider the upgrade, I really don't want that buttons bar on my screen.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You can hide the on-screen bar, and swipe up from the bottom of the screen to bring it back in case you need it.

LOL @ watercooling on a phone.......

I hope I'm not speaking out of school here, but the Lumia 950 is exactly the hardware that I was hoping the Nexus N5X would be. But I'm so deeply entrenched in the Android ecosystem that I think I'd be lost with Windows on my phone. Is there any likelihood of future development work here at XDA or elsewhere to bring Android to this hardware?

Androip Apps?
Hello,
I would like to ask if you think side-loading (?) android apps on the 950/950 XL would be possible ? Or MS would take notice patch the holes. I am asking because I was quite excited when I read somewhere that the sharp people on xda developers managed to do something like that. I am in a mood to buy a new phone and that 950XL really intrigued me. If adding some android apps to fill the app gap that the windows phone have that would be really great!!
Ps. I don't mind the tinkering on the phone

Although there is a youtube link, this isn't really a review per se, I have changed the title to a discussion.

I was surprised that Microsoft didn't mention anything about Android app support. As you mentioned, it is possible today with the latest Windows 10 Preview builds. I am running my favorite Android app on my Windows Phones. NOTE: This isn't an XDA hack, just a leak from Microsoft. Microsoft build the Android environment into the device. I think they are saving some announcements for the release of Windows 10 Mobile.
It is a big step forward.

I thought i heard somewhere that they were making android apps available on this phone as well.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-N910A using XDA Free mobile app

Rsmin said:
I thought i heard somewhere that they were making android apps available on this phone as well.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
This is about the only thing keeping me from ditching my Note 3 (and Android entirely) and making the switch. I looked on the MS App store a couple days ago to see of the apps I use which are available, I don't use all that many apps regularly so some that I currently use are not a big deal. But, of the apps I regularly use there is an Instagram Beta app (from what I can tell it's been in beta for who knows how long), Whatsapp and a YouTube app (although I would prefer a YouTube app from YouTube/Google not a 3rd party app).
There is no Kik, Plex, Slacker, Tablet Talk etc. are not on there. Heck, the Windows app store does not even have the latest version of Lync (it has Lync 2010, but not Lync 2013) which is an MS product!!
I have a couple months to decide what I want to do, but at the moment am going to find it hard justifying a switch to Windows Phone unless some kind of android app support, or a larger number of apps are ported over to Windows phone.

1stpKlosr said:
You can hide the on-screen bar, and swipe up from the bottom of the screen to bring it back in case you need it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I know how it works, I already enabled it for testing on my current 830. That's how I know for sure I won't like it.

There is Kik and Plex mate...

The best phone(s) of 2015, no doubt. Most of Google's stuff are available in browser, and Google Now doesn't support my language, so as long as I can get Nova launcher or similar tile replacement app (I tried them, not my cup of tea), I'm jumping ship.

Lync 2013 is now called skype for business in the windows store for Windows 10, windows 10 for mobile, and Windows phone 8.x

Gizamkd said:
There is Kik and Plex mate...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thank you, I wonder why I could not find either the other day when searching the store. Oh well, found both of them today so that's at least 2 more apps that will be available. Going to be a hard time deciding between the 950XL and a Nexus 6P on Project Fi. I may miss my stylus though from the Note 3, but can easily live without it and am wondering if there will eventually be (or is there already?) surface pen support on the 950XL