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Rumors about XDA IV...

Follow these links:
http://www.pdalive.com/showarticle.php?threadid=6710
http://www.pocketpcparadise.com/ (XDA IV pour 2005 ?)
http://www.pdamag.ru/pages/show.php?idx=214
Could be something reliable?
More links: http://www.msmobiles.com/news.php/2823.html
http://www.mobilemag.ch/forum/index...d4339ce4643&showtopic=19130&st=0&#entry136645
http://cellphones.engadget.com/entry/3093445122366434/
http://www.pocketgear.com/news_detail.asp?id=161027
...and more and more...

I don't know about this one. HTC Should be able to get a new PocketPC Phone Edition device for 2005. However, I wonder if we'd ever be able to get our hands on this device...
Quand band is a must for NA.
VGA should have been included with te Himalaya.
Anyway, let's hope that HTC will get this device on the market in time, at a reasonnable price.

Talking about the price I think it could be embarrassing to see the XDA IV on the market only few month after you bought version III...! :?
Rumors said that XDA IV should have UMTS capabilities, and this skill could be interesting in Italy. At present we have one phone company offering this kind of service, but in a short time they should become three.

I think the XDA 4 is for "3" and the XDA 2 is not! I dont realy want a "3" phone, so I look at them as two different products.

zakeen said:
I think the XDA 4 is for "3" and the XDA 2 is not! I dont realy want a "3" phone, so I look at them as two different products.
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Yeah, but it also says it's going to be quad band GSM, which is pretty relevant these days for international travellers.

It is real
MDA4 is real, because announced MDA3 is not made by HTC (as MDA1 and MDA2). T-Mobile ordered this piece of hardware somewhere in China and labelled it as MDA3, but it has nothing in common with maker of MDA1 and MDA2. T-Mobile did it just because he needed a response to Motorola MPx (WindowsMobile Communicator with the keyboard and WiFi). It't just a temporary solution - the real successor of MDA2 will be the MDA4 made by HTC again.

That makes more sence!

would be too much to ask them to include a built-in IR beamer for virtual keyboard ?? :wink:
The idea of having many built-ins looks apealing, but I personally prefer many interfaces (SDIO, CF, ... etc) for accessories that should allow you to get the latest models without the need to get a new device.
I'm confident as well that the day will come when we can replace the CPU and add RAM as we do with the current PCs

Re: It is real
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MDA4 is real, because announced MDA3 is not made by HTC (as MDA1 and MDA2). T-Mobile ordered this piece of hardware somewhere in China and labelled it as MDA3, but it has nothing in common with maker of MDA1 and MDA2. T-Mobile did it just because he needed a response to Motorola MPx (WindowsMobile Communicator with the keyboard and WiFi). It't just a temporary solution - the real successor of MDA2 will be the MDA4 made by HTC again.
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is it the official info :?:

Google's new open platform Android on TyTn(8525) or other HTC products?

Appears that Google has released the new Android SDK
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now-available/
Considering HTC is on the list of direct supporters of Android, do you think the developers of xda will be able to make a build that runs on the current WM6 platforms? Such as the TyTn(8525)?

Lotsoguns said:
Appears that Google has released the new Android SDK
http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/12/googles-android-os-early-look-sdk-now-available/
Considering HTC is on the list of direct supporters of Android, do you think the developers of xda will be able to make a build that runs on the current WM6 platforms? Such as the TyTn(8525)?
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in a word -- yes!

http://code.google.com/android/kb/general.html#runonphone
says "no".
greets, Nik

when can we get the Android platform
on wm6
I have a At&t Tilt
any news or Link
thank you

Flightbase said:
http://code.google.com/android/kb/general.html#runonphone
says "no".
greets, Nik
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That italic word insert is made to replace with a phone that could not be used with android. It`s not yet known. So for now it is Yes!

In a recent interview with the CEO of HTC on engadget, this question was asked, first time it was dodge, the 2nd time he bluntly stated that they would not be adding android support to existing Win mobile devices.
Now that's not to say it's not going to happen, but it looks like HTC aren't going to make it easy for us

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=383988
Says "It's possibly portable to other HTC-Devices"!
greetz

Windows Mobile 7 announced for the HD ?

Hello all, Windows Mobile 7 is announced to be available this year. It seems that it will be a lot more "finger friendly". The Touch HD would fit it very well.
In fact, I'm currently a Kaiser owner, and I planned to buy a Touch HD but I'm a bit disapointed (as always with HTC !!!) about its graphical performances.
Touch HD owners still need to convert video files for the Touch HD to read them at a good speed ... A shame !!!! I had an Axim x50v 4 years ago which was able to read any VGA DivX without any convertion and it was really fast, no lags.
So I can deal with the bad video performances (I already do with my Kaiser ...) but I need a major change in the general usage of the device compared to my Kaiser.
That's why I would be glad to see Windows Mobile 7 announced for the Touch HD, it may be the thing which would decide me to buy a Touch HD.
Does anyone know if HTC plan to upgrade the Touch HD with Windows Mobile 7 when it will be available ?
Thanks !

Windows 7?
Where? I thought was delayed for 2010 and that they will release soon windows 6.5... Did I miss something

In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
EDIT : New news -> you're right, wm 6.5 announced to come before 7 ... 7 delayed for 2010 ...

dizzy33 said:
In fact Windows Mobile 8 was delayed for 2010 (and maybe later !). What I read so far is that Windows Mobile 7 should be available in the middle of 2009.
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what you read is incorrect. WM7 is for 2010, Q4 of 2009 at the EARLIEST. and to your original question. WM7 may require a different set of hardware to be completely finger friendly, ie no more resistive touch screen. but that's not to say people here can't hack it and port it to a legacy product (ie. touch HD) by the time WM7 comes out

About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...

Hm, i think the 6.5 will be published in Spring/Summer 09, so it could be possible.
Greets
John

i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile

kerni said:
i think htc will offer a update cause t-mobile will release the HD with android so they have to do sth for satisfy the customers with win mobile
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Where did u see this.

And sorry to take the air out your balloon
Turb0wned said:
Where did u see this.
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Fact:
He totaly made that up, there have been some renderings of what the G2 MAY look like and many people took it upon themselves to photoshop The Beast running the Android OS. Don't get your hopes up.
(My) Sepculation:
You'll probably see the G1 come out with 5 more colors, and 10 more OTAs before you ever find out what a G2 looks like.
Sources:
http://twitter.com/htc/statuses/948774282
Not to mention that HTC specifically said that they did not manufacture the Black Stone with a radio module supporting the US 3G frequencies. So I doubt T-Mobile would Market any device going foward as running on G2/Edge
I hope you find this helpful (And sorry to take the air out your balloon)

dizzy33 said:
I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor
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Hmm. Camera tracking applications kill the battery _very_ quickly and obviously don't work in bad light conditions or against blank surfaces with no pattern.
The HD has a g-sensor anyway, so that shouldn't be an issue.

i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months

dizzy33 said:
About the date for WM 7, take a look at my EDIT section in my previous post ...
I've already noticed it changed, but thanks anyway ...
About the hardware, I'm not sure it may need a different hardware because it is said that Microsoft developped an application which use the camera as a G-Sensor ... So they may do their best for this O.S. to be compatible with old style hardware ...
So now the question is : will HTC offer a WM 6.5 upgrade for the Touch HD ... Not sure cause it may be there too late ...
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the time stamp sais your last edit was after my post. but regarding the hardware difference: microsoft never specifies the HW requirement to end customers because we don't get to purchase the OS. they do specify to the manufactures of the phones. it's the same reason why your PC hardware requirement changes for Windows 2000 and Windows Vista. I'm sure you can some what run Vista on a machine built for Win 2K, but your experience will be limited. So I was just saying that some hackers here can port the WM7 to Touch HD, even though Touch HD is not designated to run WM7.
Requirement wise, I am _speculating_ that it will need a better CPU/graphics chip, amongst other things. the current Qualcomm chip 's graphic capability just plain sucks, the CPU power also isn't the best. Horse power by horsepower, a Qualcomm 500 MHz is much slower than a Marvel/Intel PXA 500 Mhz. I believe WM7 will have more graphics requirement: here's my logic:
- Up till WM6.1 (possibly 6.5), the max resolution supported is 800x480 (which is ok), but he color depth is only 65000, which is low. Iphone supports 262000, i'm sure MS will be going after at least that.
- ever since phones/PDA moved form QVGA to VGA and WVGA, the graphics suffered, and understandbly so. though not microsoft's fault directly. people started saying "my WM phone/PDA is slow" and put the blame on MS. So MS will be clearing their name and restricting manufactures from putting their OS on a non-suitable device
so the above two points just to show you in the graphics department there may be a HW requirement. can you run it on a phone that doesn't fit the requirement? suuuuure, just that the experience won't be as good.
and finally, the news yesterday confirmed my suspicious is that HTC just dumped Qualcomm (not 100% dump though) as the sole CPU/chip provider due to their performance. Given that a product stays in incubation (for prototyping QA, testing, beta, etc etc) for 6 to 8 month before it hits the market. I believe HTC is prototyping the new devices with WM6.5 and perhaps even WM7, and found the performance with Qualcomm chip lacking. hence hardware requirement.

Site your sources.
adsno_1 said:
i've also read on numerous websites that theres the chance that t-mobile may be running android on touch HD.
also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
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I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
If you read my previous post you'll see an official announcement from HTC themselves supporting my comment.
The HTC will not see the light of day in the United States, In the US there are 2 GSM Carriers ATT and T-Mobile
ATT won't relesase because it directly competes (and probably breeches) their contract with Apple
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
Site your sources before you make such claims sir.

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also the HD is definitly coming out on t-mobile in the next 2 months
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That comment is a joke, where are you sources.

I guess there are a lot of Wishful thinkers on this thread.

fnordelus said:
I don't mean to be rude, but what part don't you understand that the the Touch HD has hardware limitation not allowing it to take advantage of US 3G frequencies
And, when was the last time you seen T-Mobile release a beefy smartphone, the smartest phone they have is the Wing, and that's a joke in terms of Harware.
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What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/

Schooleydoo said:
What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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You're absolutely right, that's my bad!
I actually did forget that T-Mobile is outside of the US, please excuse my stroke of ignorance.
I feel extra stupid because I actually have a German-T-Mobile Branded MDA Pro that I had to replace the keyboard for (to a qwerty keybord)
Me <---- Fail!

Schooleydoo said:
What makes you think he is talking about the US market? There are other countries out there you know
I was told by around 5 people from T-Mob UK retentions that it was in the testing phase, and they could offer it to me around March. This could possibly have been conjecture to try and get me to stay, but if you look at the link below, you will see a trend.
As an aside, T-Mob UK have released all major "beefy" smartphones. - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/shop/mobile-phones/phones/pay-monthly/all/all/
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Aditionally, you're double right!
Becuase T-Mobile UK does have a history of releasing beefy smarthphones, I just got my ass handed to me.
When it comes to mobile devices (my passion) it SUCKS to be an American.
Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?" or even worse "Is that an iPhone imitation?"
So, again, excuse my stroke of ignorance.

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Everytime I wip out my BlackStone, or even my XDA iis I get some ****-head who says "is that an iPhone?"
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HAHA oh man I get the same thing all the time!
The annoying thing is it's surprisingly hard to say "HTC Touch HD" properly coherantly without sounding weird due to the cacophony of hard syllables!
Something interesting to note about WiMo 6.5 and the Touch HD is in reference to Pocket Internet Explorer 6. Microsoft have stated that their new mobile browser won't be released for use on any device due to hardware limitations of current devices - but there HAS been a ROM released by a microsoft developer for the Touch HD ONLY that DOES include the new Pocket IE...
My theory is that 6.5 will be held by microsoft for use on higher spec future handsets only, but the Touch HD will be allowed a possibly semi-official update. (maybe in the guise of a ROM by a microsoft developer like PIE6)
Something else to bear in mind, the Hermes was in mid life cycle when WiMo6 was released and HTC duly released a free upgrade from the pre-existing version 5 so there's a possibility they might do something similar for the HD.
All speculation and hope of course...

Here are some images of what WM7 might look like. Check out the Word 2007 picture. It looks like it has a lot of menu options.
http://cybernetnews.com/2008/01/07/windows-mobile-7-images-leaked/

So whats the deal with Google support ?

or the lack of it.
I see Google employees posting on google forum, but all of them dont even answer the real questions. In fact I've notice that they bump up the threads where people (or maybe the same google employees) write how they love their N1 and how its so much better then iPhone.........
WTF ???

notice the first person who responded
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=0a5521b9ffa4c7a7&hl=en
http://www.google.com/support/forum/p/android/thread?tid=6c7fd11a4225cbb5&hl=en

just go to HTC if your having phone issues, and Tmobile if your having network issues. Think of Google as a retailer. for the most part phone, or warranty issues will be handled by the manufacturer, and network, by the network.

^ +1
Google will likely expand their support if they want to continue selling directly to the public. I think they underestimated mob mentality with the logic that HTC would support the phone, and the carrier would support the services. However, this is like Microsoft selling you a computer directly (via a hardware partner). There's a knowledge base and multiple forums support venue's and while Google lacks a phone number to call, and Microsoft has this, MS will also bill you for your phone support request.
Apple works a bit differently, they build the hardware in house and support it directly. They've also been doing this for years so the structure is in place already. Google doesn't want to build hardware, they just wanted to get phones out without being as reliant on the hardware makers to push updates to the handsets released (combating the stagnation of the current phones).

Wow, someone get's around

bofslime said:
Wow, someone get's around
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A hard reset will probably solve that.

HTC Provides support for the Nexus One. http://www.htc.com/www/support/nexusone/.

kozm0naut said:
HTC Provides support for the Nexus One. http://www.htc.com/www/support/nexusone/.
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If you take another look at the links on the site you posted, all the help links link to Google's N1 "help" forum. HTC is not providing help for the N1 and from what I've seen, neither is Google. That's why I will flash Cyan's ROM when he releases one and will use XDA for support as I've always done (even when I used WinMo). LOL.

Microsoft: HD2 does NOT qualify for WP7 upgrade

I'm wondering if anyone heard about Microsofts statement regarding no WP7 upgrade for the HD2? I was expecting to see lots of discussions going on in the HD2 forums, but I couldn't find any thread. Apologies if I wasn't looking too hard.
According to several news sites of today, Microsoft official said that the HD2 does NOT qualify for a WP7 Upgrade.
I am absolutely tempted to be believe this statement to be true. When MS recently announced WP7 at the Barcelona press conference, one of the first things they said was that ALL WP7 must have the same three button layout. They urged the importance of having the same interface on all WP7 phones.
What do you guys think about this?
Here are some parts of the article. Links to the sources are below:
Microsoft’s tight hardware spec for Windows Phone 7 smartphones means that Windows Mobile 6.x devices – including HTC’s just-launched HD2 – can’t be upgraded.
Owners of HTC’s highly-praised HD2 touchscreen smartphone will be unable to upgrade the device to Microsoft’s new Windows Phone 7 software when the OS is released towards the end of the year.
Despite the HD2 meeting many of the criteria laid down in Microsoft’s ‘Chassis 1’ spec – including a 1GHz Qualcomm processor, high-res capacitive touch display, 5 megapixel camera and 3.5mm headphone jack – the phone will be ruled out for the simple reason that it has five buttons instead of the three mandated for all Windows Phone 7 devices.
That’s the official line from Microsoft, at any rate. Natasha Kwan, General Manager for Microsoft’s Mobile Communications Business in the Asia-Pacific region, told APC that the HD2 “doesn’t qualify because it doesn’t have the three buttons”.
Not that Microsoft is singling our the HD2 as a phone or even HTC as a manufacturer. “Because we have very specific requirements for Windows Phone 7 Series the current phones we have right now will not be upgradable”, Kwan explained.
There could be more to this than just the sin of having two buttons too many, however: Tony Wilkinson, Business Operations Director for Microsoft Australia, told APC that “there are some hardware components that the HD doesn’t have”.
sources:
apcmag.com/microsoft-no-windows-phone-7-upgrade-for-windows-mobile-6x-devices.htm
ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2010/03/no_windows_phone_7_upgrade_for_winmob_6x_devices.html

I dont think the buttons will be the "major" deciding factor on whether WM7 will work or not.
A minimum of 3 buttons is required, the HD2 has 5.. That means HTC can re-assign these buttons for something else (eg. quick links)..
Don't get too wrapped up in this people. We know for certain WM7 is coming, and thats about all at this stage.
The rest is just speculation....

You cant find any threads when there's about 3 similar threads on the front page?

lude219 said:
You cant find any threads when there's about 3 similar threads on the front page?
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Sorry, I didn't saw another thread when I posted this. I admit I did not look hard enough, since I was expecting such breaking news to be among the first discussion threads on page one.

I think M$FT just needed a reason to make us buy new hardware.

cheetah2k said:
I dont think the buttons will be the "major" deciding factor on whether WM7 will work or not.
A minimum of 3 buttons is required, the HD2 has 5.. That means HTC can re-assign these buttons for something else (eg. quick links)..
Don't get too wrapped up in this people. We know for certain WM7 is coming, and thats about all at this stage.
The rest is just speculation....
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I really hope you are right, however I don't think that having 5 buttons will qualify the HD2 for WP7 upgradability.
MS stressed the importance of the same user experience and 3 button interface on all WP7 phones. I initially thought that the HD2 will not qualify when seeing the press conference. The HD2 may have the required hardware specifications for running WP7, however it is lacking the 3 button user interface. Personally I don't care about the button layout but I don't see the point of MS stressing out the importance of the same 3 button interface on all WP7 devices and then allowing an official HD2 WP7 upgrade. It's kinda stupid if this is just a matter of button layout, but I see their point. They want the big market mainstream Iphone clientel to buy WP7 phones, not just
a few tech savy rom flashing nerds on xda-developers.

to b honest i dont think i matters surly if WM7 CAN work on HD2 it will b ported on to it by some nice ppl from XDA b4 it will b released.. or as soon as someone get a hold of a copy... so official or not we shuld get it...
on the other side as time goes by im debating IF i will actually want it, i will most certainty give it a go, but if it going to b as lock down as iPoop i may stick with last standing WinMo OS where i can get all the freedom i want, without having to jailbreak it or whatever it will b called if it will b the case...
iphone and WebOS, BB and alike are not actual pocket pc as WM is now, they just advanced phones... and i hope WM7 is not going to become that...

posted today on engadged.com:
The fate of the mighty HTC HD2 seems to be getting murkier by the minute: Microsoft UK VP Alex Reeve said last week that an upgrade to Windows Phone 7 Series might be left up to hardware partners, but now Natasha Kwan, General Manager for Microsoft's Asia Pacific Mobile Communications Business says the 1GHz handset "doesn't qualify because it doesn't have the three buttons" required by WP7. Making matters even less clear, we asked Microsoft's Director of Consumer Experiences Aaron Woodman about the HD2 directly on The Engadget Show, and he politely declined to tell us about the device's upgradability, and said that WP7's final required specs would be revealed at MIX '10. We'll be honest: we're taking all this confusion to mean that Microsoft hasn't quite figured out how to say the HD2 is at a dead end just before it launches on T-Mobile US, but hey -- maybe we'll be pleasantly surprised at MIX.

Please sign to support:
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Bungholio99 said:
There could be more to this than just the sin of having two buttons too many, however: Tony Wilkinson, Business Operations Director for Microsoft Australia, told APC that “there are some hardware components that the HD doesn’t have”.
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This is likely the real reason, and it's not some sort of useful phone hardware that's missing. They probably require some sort of encryption hardware so the OS is hell to hack on. (Like the ZuneHD is a pain to try and hack).
From the sounds of it, W7PS is all show and no go anyway... what's up with all the talk of limited multitasking, and not having access to native APIs?

İf I can't upgrade I'll go to android

then i have to go for iPhone..

When all else fails, we have got the Cooks in here!