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Why do people keep upgrading ROMS?

I know I am going to cause some trouble by asking this but why?
On taking my new Orange SPV M600 out of the box, I have to agree a bit sluggish, but this was mainly due to Windows.
After a little tweaking with the registry and some third party software it is now flying.
I originally thought that putting third party software over the top of the system would slow it even more, but know, the opposite was true. Using the standard windows task bar and start menu was dreadful. I tried a number of third party softwares such as True Toolbar, Handyswitcher etc, finally settling on Wisbar deluxe.
Everything now opens as soon as it is selected no nasty lag like windows. With some skinning and removal of Customised Today the phone looks great and is performing great. That is apart from my wired hands free. I can now answer and close calls with the button, but it does not activate voice dial when pressed, so I can't dial out hands free. All prevoius phones, Nokia and SE did this no problem, so why not this phone?
Anyway, back to the point of ROMS, why keep flashing?

I just got me one of those SPV M600 things and its not that slow, but I havent added anything else to it yet. Would you care to elaborate on "registry tweaks"? Im new to XDA/phones and havent started messing about yet.

I can not remember all of the tweaks I used, but there is a big section somewhere in here listing them. I have them somewhere on the computer but my filing is a mess and I can't remember what I called the text file or where I put it.
Basically the tweaks are just simple things like increasing cache size for fonts, programs etc. Moving file storage off main memory to SD card, disabling and enabling etc. It is claimed by doing this that the system will speed up a little. I am not sure if any of these actually did anything or if it is just down to Wisbar. All I can say is that when I click on a program it fires up straight away, before it could take a second or two.

Spenner said:
I just got me one of those SPV M600 things and its not that slow, but I havent added anything else to it yet. Would you care to elaborate on "registry tweaks"? Im new to XDA/phones and havent started messing about yet.
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check out this tread and application
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=39725&highlight=easy+tweaking
good luck
R

Actually, the rule about flashing is: If it's not broken don't fix it.
People upgrade because they want to get rid of bugs or add features like AKU 2.0 that includes push mail and some other stuff.
Also some brands are better that others in some ways, and worse in other ways. There are several ROMs for the Prophet: Dopod, i-mate, Qtek, Orange. Finally some people cook their own ROMs throwing out useless stuff and adding apps they 'must have'.
All in all if you are pleased with your phone there is no need to change the ROM. When I got my Jamin it had the i-mate 1.xx ROM so I upgraded to 2.13 to get the AKU 2.0 goodies.

I always belive the latest is the greatest, even if its not. I still run the latest. While the release notes say "Added this, fixed that" they also contain a lot of fixes and changes not documented.

Hi all.
Thats actually a very good question. From my experience you dont really need to change anything. Maybe as you said some registry tweaking or some basic settings. However as someone already said, the golden rule should be if it is not broken dont try to fix it.
On the other hand you might want to change things with no reason, just because you can.. and I have to admit that it is hard not to do. Then you have to make sure that you know what you are doing cause otherwise you might end up spending your day in forums try to fix whatever you &^%$ up..
Take care.

Thanks for the replies.
I have to admit, when I first got the phone I started tweaking, then I found this forum and others. Once I discovered unlocking and flashing ROMS, I was very close to doing it. Then I remembered what I used to be like on my PC. With old systems like Win ME, I used to spend about 70% of my time tweaking and fixing, and only 30% actually using the damn thing. Not what I want out of a phone.
Just by messing around with skins, I have already managed to lose my phone dialer all together, I was left with a blank screen, so I had a phone that could not phone. I have it nicely skinned and running now, but I was never able to get the Orange dialer back.
Guess the only time I will flash my ROM is when there is a genuine update and it is covered by warranty, that way if the ROM is bad, Orange can give me another phone.
Thanks

I look at it same way as i look at windows.
My windows isn't broke but I always use Windows Update.
Why do YOU update windows, if you do at all. I guess im not sure if this is advisable, but that's just the way i do it.
Regarding upgrading ROM, MOST of the time, it makes the device faster and adds more features ( i never install extended ROM ) so I always upgrade when there is a new one.
I've downgraded ONCE. And only the RADIO because 1.11 didn't agree with my device.
There are ways to Backup the device, change to a different BRAND/VERISON of ROM then restore the backup. This makes changing ROM very easy.
Anyway, I have nothing better to do with my time so i upgrade whenever a new ROM comes out.

Sorry to but in again but I simply must disagree with the Windows update analogy.
I have my PC set to auto update as well, but Windows XP runs updates in the background and doesn't delete you data in the process.
ROM upgrade means HARD RESET, and unless you have a good backup a long restore process.
Also there is the danger of communication / power interrupt during the flashing and a bricked device as a result.
Finlay, like with your radio ROM, some OS updates have new bugs as well as fixes for the old.
But I do wish it was as simple as updating windows - then I would say, update away, couldn't hurt.

My analogy was based only on the reason for updating, not the process itself that you are stating.
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
Sorry i did not explain that clearly. The guy just asked why update if you are content with what you have.... It has nothing to do with "I would update only if the process were simpler" like what you stated.
Sorry for the misunderstanding

I upgrade because I can cook my own ROM with better application suite

Jorgee said:
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
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Because it's full of holes and most of the updates are plugging them.

I think the main point is you dont have to upgrade, you can if you want, its a matter of choice.
I like to always update, some like to keep the same and have never hard reset in their life. Im on my 9th this week :S but it is a new device and im still figuring it all out.

TheBrit said:
Jorgee said:
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
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Because it's full of holes and most of the updates are plugging them.
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Hmm, then i guess your advice to NewSPV is to upgrade.
Me too, as i said in earlier post, i will always upgrade to the newest ROM, then just downgrade if i don't like the changes. Unfortunately it isn't as easy to downgrade from Windows SP2 hehehe

Jorgee said:
TheBrit said:
Jorgee said:
What I mean is if your windows works, why update?.... This thinking... Not the "ritual"...
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Because it's full of holes and most of the updates are plugging them.
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Hmm, then i guess your advice to NewSPV is to upgrade.
Me too, as i said in earlier post, i will always upgrade to the newest ROM, then just downgrade if i don't like the changes. Unfortunately it isn't as easy to downgrade from Windows SP2 hehehe
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I was talking about Windows, not WM5.
My phone came shipped with an AKU2 rom and it's fine - after a little tweaking. I'm not going to risk bricking my pride and joy with a rom upgrade - as so many people have done already on this forum. :wink:

Can anyone name some good places to read about how to flash your device with a new ROM?
Also, I was wondering about what the "extended ROM" is. Is it basically partitioning part of your storage card for use as "internal memory" ?
Thanks for the info guys!

brounstoun said:
Can anyone name some good places to read about how to flash your device with a new ROM?
Also, I was wondering about what the "extended ROM" is. Is it basically partitioning part of your storage card for use as "internal memory" ?
Thanks for the info guys!
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Look at the top left of this very page and you will see a link to the wiki section of this site. How to flash is in there.
The extended rom is where the operator adds thier own customisations (over and above what M$ provide) to the device, for example Orange and O2 add their own options in there and they install when the device is powered up for the first time or when it's hard reset. If you get access to the extended rom (again look in the wiki) you can manipulate what gets installed and if you're really clever, add some of your own stuff.
Don't ask me how to do these things as I have not tried myself, the risk of bricking the device is too great for my liking.

cool, thanks paul

TheBrit said:
Don't ask me how to do these things as I have not tried myself, the risk of bricking the device is too great for my liking.
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Actually, it is virtually impossible to brick your device by manipulating the contents of the extended ROM. It is only accessed once, during first boot, and event that can be avoided by quickly soft resetting the device.
Basically it acts exactly like "file store" used to on WM 2003 devices, the only difference being it is hidden so ordinary users won't get rid of the operator junk.
In my case it was very nice of i-mate to provide various goodies there like voice dial (should be in ROM) anti virus (not only useless but damaging crap) Skype (could have just downloaded from their site, but nice thought) and backgammon (toys are always welcome).
But now ofter the initial installation it makes all the sense in the world to save these cabs (9MB~) to my PC and have extra 10 MB storage on the device.

After Removing Manilla 2D, QuickDial doesn't work -- HELP PLEASE!

Please don't kill me if this has been posted already, but I have searched and searched and searched.
I installed Manilla 2D and wasn't really feeling it, so I removed it. Well everything works fine except my quickdial pad on my touchflo cube. When I boot the phone I get an error message about the quickdial.exe program, and when I launch the cube, I can see the quickdial pad, but no names appear, and I can't activate it with touch.
Is there a registry tweak to fix this??? Or what can I do?? I REALLY don't want to do a hard reset, but if I do, will it go back to WM6 or will it stay WM6.1?
Any advice would be GREATLY appreciated!

Oh, I have the HTC Touch (Sprint), btw.

same thing happened to me ... i don't recall seeing an error about quickdial though... let me go to war with it and tell you what i find out.

well... tried everything i could think of... replaced Quickdial.exe with another version, tried two other cubes from different versions of the phone... looked through the reg... didn't fix it.

Backup your stuff and do a hard reset. it will go back to the last ROM you instaled.
If it still doesn't work, you nee to re-execute the ROM upgrade utility (RUU)

we'd rather not at this point

Ugh. Doing a hard reset for a simple dial pad makes my head hurt. I'm never installing another app on this phone that messes with the interface. I'll just stick with what it's got until the next phone.
If anyone thinks of another solution, PLEASE let me know. Hard reset is such a pain.

missbrs said:
Ugh. Doing a hard reset for a simple dial pad makes my head hurt. I'm never installing another app on this phone that messes with the interface. I'll just stick with what it's got until the next phone.
If anyone thinks of another solution, PLEASE let me know. Hard reset is such a pain.
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Main reason why i dont want to install Manilla 2D...

Mostly, do not instal BETA if you are not ready to do a hard reset... Or if you don't use an easy backup utility...
Especially when they mention it in the app's tread!
I don't understant why it seems so terrible for you guys to do a hard reset... I just did it with mine: It feels much lighter now!

The Manilla 2D replaces the default quick dial, so the files are altered. It's like trying to install the cube and HTC Home, at least in some instances. The two files conflict, so you'll need to hard reset.
Or, reinstall without the quick dial .cab, and use the customizer to remove the speed dial page.

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skanndelus said:
i like my asshole licked
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I'm all for joking, but really......WTF?

Damn...I was hoping you guys wouldn't say that...Well, looks like a hard reset it is, then. Thanks!

TheChampJT said:
I'm all for joking, but really......WTF?
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i'm really sorry, my girlfriend did that when i was asleep... she doesn't understand what's right and wrong to do sometimes.

Touch Flo

Hi guys,
first of all I would like to congratulate all of you for apps & info. The phone would be a disappointment for me if xda-developers didn't exist.
As I am a newbie in the winmo family I need some info. I want to install touch flo (I don't care which edition, as long as it is a cab) and I have some questions:
1. which cab should I try? Please don't propose any roms, I am not ready for that step yet . I want a stable and not battery-thirsty version, don't care if the best would be 2D or having to wait for touch flo 3D 2.
2. Can I install it on the memory card? If yes, do you know what are the pros/cons?
3. Will I be able to uninstall it and how?
4. Any other advice???
As I have noticed on the many touch flo related threads, there are a lot of people having the same questions. Please help us all!
Thanks in advance

My personal and honest opinion follows.
1 - Install nothing. Touch Flo sucks big time. (great job to the people who ported it to the x1, but the app itself sucks)
2 - See point 1.
3 - As far as i know it cannot be installed and you have to do a hard reset. My info is outdated though. Maybe with the newer version you can do it???? Again see point 1.
4 - See point 1.

Agreed
I ran it for a little while, but the performance was appauling, a cooked ROM with it should be faster because it's in the ROM and works differently.
Without TouchFlo my Windows folder takes 3 seconds to load, with it, the Windows folder takes well over 30 seconds.
I decided to just install some simple things like the task manager, the volume control and the mp3 trimmer. Kept everything else stock and just installed some nice HomeScreen plugins to make it do what i want.
Even if you get TouchFlo, they aren't all landscape compatible, only tyhe new TouchFlo 2(?) and as far as i know even with those some things like the cammera buttons (on screen, not physical) don't work.

vector4agn said:
1. which cab should I try? Please don't propose any roms, I am not ready for that step yet . I want a stable and not battery-thirsty version, don't care if the best would be 2D or having to wait for touch flo 3D 2.
2. Can I install it on the memory card? If yes, do you know what are the pros/cons?
3. Will I be able to uninstall it and how?
4. Any other advice???
As I have noticed on the many touch flo related threads, there are a lot of people having the same questions. Please help us all!
Thanks in advance
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1- try itje's manilaHD cab. you'll find in this forum
2- no
3- yes, same way as all programs (always DO a backup before you install something huge or intrusive like tflo3d, I suggest spb backup)
4- I simply love tflo3d and suggest you to try a rom with new manila cooked in. It's faster for interface and for all the rest as cooked roms comes with all brand new build and drivers. go trough the forum, read and flash... don't be scared, just follow the procedures

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Without TouchFlo my Windows folder takes 3 seconds to load, with it, the Windows folder takes well over 30 seconds.
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lol, it's obvious... you have a 50% number of files in it... manila installs itself in windows directory -_-'
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Even if you get TouchFlo, they aren't all landscape compatible, only tyhe new TouchFlo 2(?) and as far as i know even with those some things like the cammera buttons (on screen, not physical) don't work.
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manila2 roms from itje and jackleung works flawlessy. please don't give incorrect info

guap said:
manila2 roms from itje and jackleung works flawlessy. please don't give incorrect info
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Yeah, the ROMS work fine but the cabs outthere are crab. They are far from being stable, fast or useable.
I prefer the SE panel because all the information is on one page there without the need of flipping around.
My suggestion: If you really want TF3D, then flash your phone with a custom ROM (Itje's for English language, YYYYY has mad a fine ROM in German). That is the only way to have a fast and stable TF3D and also the option of using the panels!

Lol
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lol, it's obvious... you have a 50% number of files in it... manila installs itself in windows directory -_-'
manila2 roms from itje and jackleung works flawlessy. please don't give incorrect info
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Well obviously I know this, otherwise why would I make a reference about how it takes significantly longer to load the windows folder?
But 100% more files? Surely then it takes 100% longer to load, not 1000%.
And I gave no incorrect info, I said "they aren't all landscape compatible, only tyhe new TouchFlo 2(?)" - The question mark means I wasn't entirely sure on the name, so it's Manila 2, all the same to me.
Also, "and as far as i know even with those some things like the cammera buttons (on screen, not physical) don't work." - This means I'm not entirely sure if this is the case and it should be looked into.
and Finally "manila2 roms from itje and jackleung works flawlessy." - I specifically remember the OP asking for a cab and not a ROM. Which is where my information was directed.

guap said:
lol, it's obvious... you have a 50% number of files in it... manila installs itself in windows directory -_-'
manila2 roms from itje and jackleung works flawlessy. please don't give incorrect info
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hmm why would they install it in the windows folder and not in windows/manilla/ or something?
it's not a secret that filesystems on embedded devices are generally slow

Thanks
Thanks to everybody!
I'll probably backup everything and start trying cabs and roms.

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But 100% more files? Surely then it takes 100% longer to load, not 1000%.
And I gave no incorrect info, I said "they aren't all landscape compatible, only tyhe new TouchFlo 2(?)" - The question mark means I wasn't entirely sure on the name, so it's Manila 2, all the same to me.
Also, "and as far as i know even with those some things like the cammera buttons (on screen, not physical) don't work." - This means I'm not entirely sure if this is the case and it should be looked into.
and Finally "manila2 roms from itje and jackleung works flawlessy." - I specifically remember the OP asking for a cab and not a ROM. Which is where my information was directed.
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Well, I think Guap is mostly right and you simply know nothing what you really talking about. Let me give you some fact:
1. First, you got to understand it's "non rom" files under /Windows tax more on performance. A clean WM has only about ~20 "non rom" files under \Windows, TF3D 2 alone (not including all the complicated dependence like camera, album, audio manager ..etc) put 2219 files to /Window if using cab (TF3D 1 is ~ 2000 files). Therefore, it's normal it's take 1000% more time.
2. From your words, it simply show you did not try enough custom roms before you made yr comment. All my rom (from 2.2 to 2.7) do not have camera button problem. Obeviously your "as far as i know" isn't far enough.
I stated earlier in other thread already. If you really want to use TF3D (v1 or v2), pick an custom rom and forget about CAB. Using a cab for TF3D is simply hiting yr toe w/ a rock because you will be disappointed by the speed and compatibity issue.

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T-Mo Upgraded WM6.5 Rom comes w/ Mobile Backup, Here's the cab!!

I have searched high and low for a cab file for this app. I got a T-Mobile software upgrade for my TP2. Cool, it was alright, nothing by comparison to NRG's ROM. I did however lose a few apps that were pretty cool: Co-Pilot,Visual Voicemail,etc.
The one that is of importance, though, is the Mobile Backup App. I have checked the threads on here and have ended up with nothing. I DO KNOW this file exists for this format of Windows Mobile. I tried to copy the correct files to my SD Card, but apparently am missing some and don't know what to look for anyway.
So, if somebody out there knows what's up with a cab or exe or files that I could extract from the stock rom, I would appreciate a little "heads up." Thanks in advance for any help.
EDIT: Thanks to SirPhunkee, we have a cab for any T-Mo users that is tested and works perfect on our TP2's. Here's his link to the cab
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=321223&d=1273035672

outerdepth said:
I have searched high and low for a cab file for this app. I got a T-Mobile software upgrade for my TP2. Cool, it was alright, nothing by comparison to NRG's ROM. I did however lose a few apps that were pretty cool: Co-Pilot,Visual Voicemail,etc.
The one that is of importance, though, is the Mobile Backup App. I have checked the threads on here and have ended up with nothing. I DO KNOW this file exists for this format of Windows Mobile. I tried to copy the correct files to my SD Card, but apparently am missing some and don't know what to look for anyway.
So, if somebody out there knows what's up with a cab or exe or files that I could extract from the stock rom, I would appreciate a little "heads up." Thanks in advance for any help.
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Did we already have you try this cab? I've handed it to a couple of people recently, can't remember if you were one of them
It's the tmo mobile backup that was extracted from the tmo HD2 ROM, and I think it works on the TP2...too Even if it's looking like it's running ok, make sure you test the sync in both directions (saving to their server and backing up from it) before you rely on it.
I still highly recommend myphone to accomplish the same tasks and more, but this is admittedly a lean solution, so definitely use whichever works best for you

THANK YOU!!
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Did we already have you try this cab? I've handed it to a couple of people recently, can't remember if you were one of them
It's the tmo mobile backup that was extracted from the tmo HD2 ROM, and I think it works on the TP2...too Even if it's looking like it's running ok, make sure you test the sync in both directions (saving to their server and backing up from it) before you rely on it.
I still highly recommend myphone to accomplish the same tasks and more, but this is admittedly a lean solution, so definitely use whichever works best for you
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Man, I gotta buy you a beer someday. That's great. I did not receive that from you recently, but thanks for posting it. It works well if I ever lose my phone or something happens to my pc whatever and I can't sync my original device with my contacts. NRG should cook this into his ROMs, uhum.

outerdepth said:
Man, I gotta buy you a beer someday. That's great. I did not receive that from you recently, but thanks for posting it. It works well if I ever lose my phone or something happens to my pc whatever and I can't sync my original device with my contacts. NRG should cook this into his ROMs, uhum.
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Oh you're quite welcome!
All I really did is pass along something I'd seen previously, but what matters is that it works for you, thanks for the feedback!

outerdepth said:
I have searched high and low for a cab file for this app. I got a T-Mobile software upgrade for my TP2. Cool, it was alright, nothing by comparison to NRG's ROM. I did however lose a few apps that were pretty cool: Co-Pilot,Visual Voicemail,etc.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=321223&d=1273035672
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Thank You Sir Phunkee... Too bad you could not have given this to me on the 2.5 sense cab thread... lol But having all these Carrier Specific .cabs would be nice there is a thread for the HD2... There you can get a lot of defaults.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563
Anyway since this thread helped me here you go outerdepth, visual voicemail!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613855
I chose the visual voicemail from here because I believe this is the one I used.

Labarum said:
Thank You Sir Phunkee... Too bad you could not have given this to me on the 2.5 sense cab thread... lol But having all these Carrier Specific .cabs would be nice there is a thread for the HD2... There you can get a lot of defaults.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563
Anyway since this thread helped me here you go outerdepth, visual voicemail!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613855
I chose the visual voicemail from here because I believe this is the one I used.
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Hi Labarum....sorry about that, what thread is it you're mentioning (the 2.5 sense cab thread)? I must have missed that opportunity, my apologies
Yes, that HD2 thread is where I found this copy, but I thought it was the same as WarlockW's posted cab (which didn't have as handy as this copy). I suspect that they're not different by phone model, but rather by WM version...but I'm just guessing there

Hi Labarum....sorry about that, what thread is it you're mentioning (the 2.5 sense cab thread)? I must have missed that opportunity, my apologies
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=661941
My fault really, as I had not got around to searching for that cab yet!
Searching the only downfall of XDA...

i'm having a problem with mine...
it says my device isnt supported...
help?

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i'm having a problem with mine...
it says my device isnt supported...
help?
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You have to call T-Mobile and get them to set this app up on your "plan." What I mean is, it IS free to add to you payment plan, but you actually have to call customer care and get them to add it, but like I said it's FREE. Don't ask me why, but they just have it set up that way. I had the same problem, and it took like 10 minutes from dialing their number to having the software work. It's apparently a matter of account settings or something that they have to tweak.

Labarum said:
Thank You Sir Phunkee... Too bad you could not have given this to me on the 2.5 sense cab thread... lol But having all these Carrier Specific .cabs would be nice there is a thread for the HD2... There you can get a lot of defaults.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653563
Anyway since this thread helped me here you go outerdepth, visual voicemail!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=613855
I chose the visual voicemail from here because I believe this is the one I used.
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Thanks bud. It's always nice to see people sharing.

Now WHAT??
I am running the new NRG ROM in my sig, but IT won't allow me to install mobile backup to this version. I haven't tried the newest ROM from the 13th, but I sense it is gonna have the same problem.
When I try to install the cab, it just says installation was not successful.Anyone else having this problem with the newer ROMs?

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Have tried the newest 13th ROM from NRG and it does not let this sync with the server. It says that the device is not supported.

outerdepth said:
Update
Have tried the newest 13th ROM from NRG and it does not let this sync with the server. It says that the device is not supported.
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ok, this is just a wilda$$ guess...but isn't it desirable in some cases (like to correct MMS pic size issues) to have some agent ID in your registy other than what the phone actually is? Maybe possible that NRG bakes that in? Or, maybe it just only acceps a certain specific range of WM versions?

sirphunkee said:
ok, this is just a wilda$$ guess...but isn't it desirable in some cases (like to correct MMS pic size issues) to have some agent ID in your registy other than what the phone actually is? Maybe possible that NRG bakes that in? Or, maybe it just only acceps a certain specific range of WM versions?
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Ok, that's an idea, but what exactly could I do to change this? Plus, I am not sure what you mean about agentID. Just thought I would ask, cause I really hate not having this app.

outerdepth said:
Ok, that's an idea, but what exactly could I do to change this? Plus, I am not sure what you mean about agentID. Just thought I would ask, cause I really hate not having this app.
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It's a key somewhere in the registry that indicates what model of phone it is (independent of the IMEI), I believe it's used to identify it to the network for things like what size MMS files the phone can handle, etc...and I'm just surmising this becasue I recall that's where I saw the references to it. So, I would probably suggest looking in any threads related to MMS size issues, you'll probably see someone make a reference to a regedit or cab that makes that change, you can reverse-engineer the rest from there I guess.
I rarely go through any of the forum sections other than the rhodium boards and the Tmo HD2 section, so you can probably confine your search to those places if it helps. I'll keep my eyes open for it too.

Still no luck, sir phunkee. I am hoping that when I flash this newest NRG Rom, maybe I will have some luck, but to be honest, I am kinda tired of flashing his new ROM's cuz, they are "supposedly" faster or better, etc.
We will see, but hopefully someone will have a cab or link that could lead me somewhere.

Josh's Black http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=572938 came with Mobile Back Up, Visual Voicemail, Blockbuster, My Account, and the proper keyboard (after initial startup) cooked into the Rom... great for T-mo users like us... does not have the newer tabs, but I find I don't use those much anyway!
I installed the Full Version...
Now if I could just get rid of the transparent slide and make it stock again? (just for clarification... not slider or icons)

Many Thanks Guys! Been looking for this.
~M

Looking for a rather basic WinMo 6.5.3/6.5.5 ROM

Before people tell me to search the forums, that's what I've been doing for the longest time, trying every ROM on the Vogue forum. And before you tell me to try Android, I've done that too, and while I like it, I prefer Windows Mobile on this particular phone at the moment, but may put Android on it again sometime in the future.
The closest that I've found is NagROM V0.19 Touch, which is just a touch too basic. I'm looking for something like that, but with M2D and M2D Customiser, the HTC Cabs and Ringtones, the EZInput keyboard like in NFSFan's ROM, and Office 2007 or 2010. While I like the ROMs that come with other programs cooked in, such as Total Commander and PHM Registry Edit, I prefer the ROM coming without them so that when I go to install an updated version, I don't run into a problem. Too many times I've had problems installing a newer version of a program when it comes up telling me it has to uninstall the previous version, but can't, sometimes leaving me with just the old version, or both versions.
And before anyone says to cook my own, I've looked into guides, tried cooking my own, and the past few times I've tried, it wouldn't even boot up for the first time after flashing. I've tried numerous kitchens, some of which are supposed to be basic ones, perfect for beginners, but end up with one of a few problems: Not compatible with 64-bit windows, virus scanner blocks a crucial part, not meant for the Vogue, etc.
Basically what I'm asking is: Are there any basic ROMs with nothing more than M2D (and HTC cabs and Ringtones, and M2DC), EZInput, and Office Mobile 2007/2010 cooked in, or can someone HELP me with trying to cook my own (so that I can have it preconfigured for Verizon, MMS working and GPS set up)?

Hey, Ill cook you up a rom with the things you want. Should be done here in a little while!

Hey - that's a dev for you, man. Ask and ye shall receive!
I'd encourage you to hit barogi's donate link if he's got one.
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mrkite38 said:
Hey - that's a dev for you, man. Ask and ye shall receive!
I'd encourage you to hit barogi's donate link if he's got one.
Sent from my Full Android on Vogue using XDA App
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Love to provide for the community! Im actually uploading the rom right now... As for donations, i dont have a link seeing how i am only 17 years old.
Anyways thanks for the kind words.

Here you go http://www.4shared.com/file/K700wk8F/23138_light_rom_upload.html
Build 23138 (Wm 6.5.3)
Code:
Includes:
M2d
M2dc
Office 2010
Ringtones
Htc apps
Ezinput
Other necessary stuff... such as Bluetooth..
Enjoy!

Barogi44 said:
Love to provide for the community! Im actually uploading the rom right now... As for donations, i dont have a link seeing how i am only 17 years old.
Anyways thanks for the kind words.
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17??! That explains the free time! keep up the good work!
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17??! That explains the free time! keep up the good work!
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Yep 17
Thanks!!

Haha, wow. I never expected someone to actually make it fer me! I'll have to try it out tomorrow as it's late now. Also, what kitchen do you use, Barogi? I still do plan on learning. (I'm a mix of hands on learning and being shown/flat out told what to do for the first time or three lol). Also, I assume it is set up as a Generic ROM (without the provisioning cab, MMS cab and settingsh, and Registry settings for GPS)? Also, as time goes more things come to mind to be cooked in (hence wanting to learn how to cook a ROM personally, and slowly becoming less basic ) lol. Still, thanks, majorly. I'll let you know how it works out when I try it tomorrow =3
Oh, and what version of EZInput is cooked in? I know I said "like the one in NFSFan's ROM," but that's only because I was unsure of the version (which I know now is 1.5.)

Toddle said:
Haha, wow. I never expected someone to actually make it fer me! I'll have to try it out tomorrow as it's late now. Also, what kitchen do you use, Barogi? I still do plan on learning. (I'm a mix of hands on learning and being shown/flat out told what to do for the first time or three lol). Also, I assume it is set up as a Generic ROM (without the provisioning cab, MMS cab and settingsh, and Registry settings for GPS)? Also, as time goes more things come to mind to be cooked in (hence wanting to learn how to cook a ROM personally, and slowly becoming less basic ) lol. Still, thanks, majorly. I'll let you know how it works out when I try it tomorrow =3
Oh, and what version of EZInput is cooked in? I know I said "like the one in NFSFan's ROM," but that's only because I was unsure of the version (which I know now is 1.5.)
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I use ppckitchen.org Buildos 2.0.0 And yes it is generic meaning you will need a carrier cab, Once you do install your carrier cab everything should work such as mms and gps. As for Ezinput i actually use a newer version than Nfsfans its (pcarvalho_ezInput_2.1_QVGA). If you want some help with cooking your own rom, just install ppckitchen buildos 2.0.0 since thats the only one ive ever used and know how to use and then send me a message on whatever you need some help with! Also if you want something changed in the rom i have already made for you before you get a chance to build your own, just let me know and ill do it.
EDIT: Had posted the wrong link to ppckitchen its supposed to be ppckitchen.org not .com
Hope you like it.

Barogi44 said:
I use ppckitchen.org Buildos 2.0.0 And yes it is generic meaning you will need a carrier cab, Once you do install your carrier cab everything should work such as mms and gps. As for Ezinput i actually use a newer version than Nfsfans its (pcarvalho_ezInput_2.1_QVGA). If you want some help with cooking your own rom, just install ppckitchen buildos 2.0.0 since thats the only one ive ever used and know how to use and then send me a message on whatever you need some help with! Also if you want something changed in the rom i have already made for you before you get a chance to build your own, just let me know and ill do it.
EDIT: Had posted the wrong link to ppckitchen its supposed to be ppckitchen.org not .com
Hope you like it.
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PPCKitchen BuildOS 2.0.0 is what I was using as well. I've used enough generic ROMs to know how to get it all working, so that's simple to do. Was just curious about that. I've gotten one ROM working through there, but somehow ended up with the Windows Mobile 6.1 splash screen (even though I changed it lol.) I'll try out your ROM, and I"ll keep playing with BuildOS. Hopefully I can get the file size down, and figure out how to cook in my own things, not just what's listed on the build menu lol. I'm kind of a hands on learner, kind of need to be shown multiple times, so playing around with it (though will take MUCH longer) SHOULD help me figure it out, but I'll keep in mind to PM you if I have any questions.

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PPCKitchen BuildOS 2.0.0 is what I was using as well. I've used enough generic ROMs to know how to get it all working, so that's simple to do. Was just curious about that. I've gotten one ROM working through there, but somehow ended up with the Windows Mobile 6.1 splash screen (even though I changed it lol.) I'll try out your ROM, and I"ll keep playing with BuildOS. Hopefully I can get the file size down, and figure out how to cook in my own things, not just what's listed on the build menu lol. I'm kind of a hands on learner, kind of need to be shown multiple times, so playing around with it (though will take MUCH longer) SHOULD help me figure it out, but I'll keep in mind to PM you if I have any questions.
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Ok great!

Alright, I'm trying out the ROM, and so far it looks great. Just one slight thing... I see you put in PHM RegEdit (an add on program I said I prefer installing myself so that when I go to update it I don't run into problems lol) Other than that, so far it looks perfect. Now if I could figure out how to cook a ROM where it isn't bigger than the stock, with just a few add in things as I think of them that I use regularly (and cook it as a Verizon specific ROM) then yay. Time to start playing with BuildOS while setting up my phone again lol

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Alright, I'm trying out the ROM, and so far it looks great. Just one slight thing... I see you put in PHM RegEdit (an add on program I said I prefer installing myself so that when I go to update it I don't run into problems lol) Other than that, so far it looks perfect. Now if I could figure out how to cook a ROM where it isn't bigger than the stock, with just a few add in things as I think of them that I use regularly (and cook it as a Verizon specific ROM) then yay. Time to start playing with BuildOS while setting up my phone again lol
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Ahh sorry about that Its just one of those programs that i figured you might want but perhaps had forgotten to ask for
Also i realized that after i had uploaded the rom that i forgot to add the reg edit to fix the 2016 date error on sms messages... Not sure if that affects you on Verizon, because i do not get it on Bell.
If you want... I can give you a list of the necessary things you should put in your own roms to make it function to its fullest.. like all the necessary bluetooth items and such?

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Ahh sorry about that Its just one of those programs that i figured you might want but perhaps had forgotten to ask for
Also i realized that after i had uploaded the rom that i forgot to add the reg edit to fix the 2016 date error on sms messages... Not sure if that affects you on Verizon, because i do not get it on Bell.
If you want... I can give you a list of the necessary things you should put in your own roms to make it function to its fullest.. like all the necessary bluetooth items and such?
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It's alright, I think PHM is one of the ones that can be updated even if it's cooked in without any problems. And yes, the 2016 problem will affect me on Verizon. I had it happen to me on NagROM before, but already had the fix downloaded (someone made it into a cab) so I installed it to be on the safe side. As for the list of things to make it function to the fullest, please do. And if there is another way to contact you other than on here, can you tell me in PM? I'd like to contact you off of here for help with cooking a ROM. I've tried again, and it wouldn't even finish building this time. Out of about 8 times of cooking a ROM, it succeeded only once, but I forgot to compress it (this was before you made this ROM for me).
Also, slight problem, and quick question.
The problem is on M2D. The music tab. It says that it can't play the audio file and opens Windows Media Player. I haven't found anything on this yet and had it happen to me on a few ROMs. If it can't be fixed, that's fine, i can just take off the music tab (because I don't always slide along the bottom, I'll use the D-pad at times, and if other people play with my phone)
The question... Where can I find the default background for M2D? I changed the background using M2DC so it'll be on all the tabs, but you can't see the white text, so I wanna change it back until I find a different background.

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It's alright, I think PHM is one of the ones that can be updated even if it's cooked in without any problems. And yes, the 2016 problem will affect me on Verizon. I had it happen to me on NagROM before, but already had the fix downloaded (someone made it into a cab) so I installed it to be on the safe side. As for the list of things to make it function to the fullest, please do. And if there is another way to contact you other than on here, can you tell me in PM? I'd like to contact you off of here for help with cooking a ROM. I've tried again, and it wouldn't even finish building this time. Out of about 8 times of cooking a ROM, it succeeded only once, but I forgot to compress it (this was before you made this ROM for me).
Also, slight problem, and quick question.
The problem is on M2D. The music tab. It says that it can't play the audio file and opens Windows Media Player. I haven't found anything on this yet and had it happen to me on a few ROMs. If it can't be fixed, that's fine, i can just take off the music tab (because I don't always slide along the bottom, I'll use the D-pad at times, and if other people play with my phone)
The question... Where can I find the default background for M2D? I changed the background using M2DC so it'll be on all the tabs, but you can't see the white text, so I wanna change it back until I find a different background.
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Ill send you a pm with my cell number. Also I have always gotten that message when trying to use music tab. I dont think a fix has ever been mentioned... I know that it usually defaults to using audio manager and not the windows media player, perhaps that could be the problem?
The background... I think that you have to back up the default in M2DC before changing it in order to get it back, so that you can reload it. Just so you know, I don't use Manila at all on my phone, so im not quite sure how to fix many things on it. And remember that most issues are do to the fact that Manila is not made for our phones and has been ported over. But I will try my best to help you out.

Barogi44 said:
Ill send you a pm with my cell number. Also I have always gotten that message when trying to use music tab. I dont think a fix has ever been mentioned... I know that it usually defaults to using audio manager and not the windows media player, perhaps that could be the problem?
The background... I think that you have to back up the default in M2DC before changing it in order to get it back, so that you can reload it. Just so you know, I don't use Manila at all on my phone, so im not quite sure how to fix many things on it. And remember that most issues are do to the fact that Manila is not made for our phones and has been ported over. But I will try my best to help you out.
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I've had the music tab working before. I think NFSFan's ROM. And I'll just find a different background. I'll send you a text tomorrow before my class.

Toddle said:
I've had the music tab working before. I think NFSFan's ROM. And I'll just find a different background. I'll send you a text tomorrow before my class.
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Yeah NFSFAN always cooked Audiomanager into his roms... you could put it in your own as well and it probably would stop the error.

Barogi44 said:
Here you go http://www.4shared.com/file/K700wk8F/23138_light_rom_upload.html
Build 23138 (Wm 6.5.3)
Code:
Includes:
M2d
M2dc
Office 2010
Ringtones
Htc apps
Ezinput
Other necessary stuff... such as Bluetooth..
Enjoy!
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Barogi...can I hit you up for a more basic one that that? I need the lighted WM ROM there is. I basically need Windows Mobile 6.5.3 and that's it...no extras.
If you could make one that has everything removed except Windows (even ezinput, office, ringtones, htc apps, etc...then I would be very appreciate
Of course if you have a kitchen link I can do it myself - thanks !!

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