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Hardware Upgrading

To my knowledge many hardware upgrades can be made to the Universal.
Seeing earlier posts of Universal Motherboards and chipsets...
It is possible to solder and upgrade the Universal.
Upgrades Include:
1. RAM - Suggested Hynix DDR / SDR RAM
2. Processor - nVidia (includes video card upgrade) if you are lucky or the new Intel PXA29x Monahans or Intel Bulverade x270 650mhz processor.
3. Wifi upgrade to Atheros ABG
All these upgrades are possible. If anyone is successful on doing these upgrades or has any ideas from where these parts can be obtained.. we are looking at the next generation pocket pc's and mobile devices to be created on xda-developers.

nuclear said:
To my knowledge many hardware upgrades can be made to the Universal.
Seeing earlier posts of Universal Motherboards and chipsets...
It is possible to solder and upgrade the Universal.
Upgrades Include:
1. RAM - Suggested Hynix DDR / SDR RAM
2. Processor - nVidia (includes video card upgrade) if you are lucky or the new Intel PXA29x Monahans or Intel Bulverade x270 650mhz processor.
3. Wifi upgrade to Atheros ABG
All these upgrades are possible. If anyone is successful on doing these upgrades or has any ideas from where these parts can be obtained.. we are looking at the next generation pocket pc's and mobile devices to be created on xda-developers.
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Why not suggest this to a real company like Pocket PC Techs: http://www.pocketpctechs.com/main~unit~O2_XDA_Exec-500~area~repairs.htm
They already have a repair section for the Universal. It might be easier for them to acquire everything, plus it would give us the option of having trained professionals handling our Universal.
But I read sometime ago, someone already tried this and did not work.

Mobile SDR/DDR RAM
I will consult Pocket PC Techs as you say they are professionals.
I will consult Intel, Atheros and Hynix on obtaining the parts. I am highly trained with soldering since i recently upgraded the video card on my motioncomputing LE1600 tablet pc ($5000). This phone Universal costed me $1200 from expansys and I would not like it to get busted. But i am pretty sure i can do it myself. If successful i will post pictures of the new chipset. Most certainly it will fit into the same body. Device Driver flashing will need a new ROM... i guess Helmi's/Ivans/Jwrights ROMS wont work. Anyways this will take me a week to a month to obtain the parts. And a few days to solder.
The hard part is making the ROM. Maybe my new project of Windows Crossbow i can integrate the device drivers into the ROM since they will be provided by the manufacturer for sure. So its not impossible i would say. Getting help from Pocket PC Techs really sounds good.

nuclear
I have already done this operation on Universal.
Now I have
CPU -Intel P4
Video- NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2
RAM- Nynix -10TB.
OS-Photon
You foolish and tell the delirium!

arc said:
nuclear
I have already done this operation on Universal.
Now I have
CPU -Intel P4
Video- NVIDIA GeForce 7950 GX2
RAM- Nynix -10TB.
OS-Photon
You foolish and tell the delirium!
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Please do not spam on the forum with false information. If you have really performed the upgrades post the picture of your new chipset and the Photon OS.

added foto

Again Spam
The Hynix RAM is not at the bottom right. It is supposed to be on the left. This is what the image is. Which i got from another thread! The RAM is supposed to be soldered on the top right. Right beside those 3, 2 slots are left for RAM to be soldered. And there is no Intel P4 processor. I guess people can use this as a reference to solder.
Anyways i am not going to keep mentioning about your spam. Because wind just adds more to the fire. The rest is upto the forum administrators.

get a sense of humour, man

It makes me cringed to see a naked Universal like that. It is like throwing $1000 to the trash.

not if you know what you're doing.
i for one would love a GeForce Go and faster WiFi in there. But isn't there a problem with RAM addressing over 64Mb?

r3bel said:
not if you know what you're doing.
i for one would love a GeForce Go and faster WiFi in there. But isn't there a problem with RAM addressing over 64Mb?
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Exactly what i was thinking. Upgrade the RAM and the processor (processor upgrading i think is impossible). And then the video card <-- not great chance of upgrading.
Currently i can only give confirmation based on my skills that i can upgrade the RAM. Getting hands on the hynix SDR/DDR RAM will not be easy either.
I am also sure that these upgrades shall keep our Universals tuned in for another 5 - 10 years along with Windows Mobile Crossbow and Windows Photon. Just like the Windows Vista that will be up and running for 10-15 years.
Anyways after these upgrades are successful i plan on marketing my product of research and upgrade for twice the same price as the universal. I shall post pictures of the device once it is upgraded and what the new ROM recognises.
I am currently working on Windows Crossbow and Windows Photon as well.
Now i base my research on facts from wiki so there is no chance of failure.

nuclear said:
Exactly what i was thinking. Upgrade the RAM and the processor (processor upgrading i think is impossible). And then the video card <-- not great chance of upgrading.
Currently i can only give confirmation based on my skills that i can upgrade the RAM. Getting hands on the hynix SDR/DDR RAM will not be easy either.
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would would the CPU be impossible to ugrade? I believe the RAM is the most difficult because, I think, Win Mo doesn't recognize more than 64MB... but I don't have facts for that. would be awesome to have 128MB or even 256, 512 would be tha sh1t! I checked those chips and I have a PDF 'bout it... if it helps. but I haven't seen such low capacity
Now the processor would be awesome to upgrade, too... but why not? maybe pin configuration? or would they be able to compile WinMo for just one speed of a processor? or are we talking 'bout different processors altogether?
I was checking the internet 'bout such things, reflow stations(pro, DIY) and solder paste, but I'm afraid to try with my Universal as I haven't done it before. any ideas?

Yubastard said:
would would the CPU be impossible to ugrade? I believe the RAM is the most difficult because, I think, Win Mo doesn't recognize more than 64MB... but I don't have facts for that. would be awesome to have 128MB or even 256, 512 would be tha sh1t! I checked those chips and I have a PDF 'bout it... if it helps. but I haven't seen such low capacity
Now the processor would be awesome to upgrade, too... but why not? maybe pin configuration? or would they be able to compile WinMo for just one speed of a processor? or are we talking 'bout different processors altogether?
I was checking the internet 'bout such things, reflow stations(pro, DIY) and solder paste, but I'm afraid to try with my Universal as I haven't done it before. any ideas?
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1. Steps to upgrade the processor.
a. Remove the existing soldered chip off the motherboard (most likely will damage the motherboard while removing the existing processor chip)
b. Obtain the next processor chip. Probably will be from the same family of processors or any other compatible chip and solder it on.
c. Make a ROM that supports this hardware.
Higher End processors:
PXA27x (The universal one)
The PXA27x family (code-named Bulverde) consists of the PXA270 and PXA271-PXA272 processors. This revision is a huge update to the XScale family of processors. The PXA270 <-- (((this one is ours))) is clocked in four different speeds: 312 MHz, 416 MHz, (((520 MHz))) and (((624 MHz <-- (((this is what we can upgrade to most likely))) and is a stand-alone processor with no packaged memory. The PXA271 can be clocked to 312 MHz or 416 MHz and has 32 MiB of 16-bit stacked StrataFlash memory and 32 MiB of 16-bit SDRAM in the same package. The PXA272 can be clocked to 312 MHz, 416 MHz or 520 MHz and has 64 MiB of 32-bit stacked StrataFlash memory.
Now this is the processor we are aiming for:
In August 2005 Intel announced the successor to Bulverde, codenamed Monahans. They demoed it showing its capability to play back high definition encoded video on a PDA screen. The new processor was shown clocked at 1.25 GHz but Intel said it only offered a 25% increase in performance (800 MIPS for the 624 MHz PXA270 processor vs 1000 MIPS for 1.25 GHz Monahans). An announced successor to the 2700G graphics processor, code named Stanwood, has since been cancelled. Some of the features of Stanwood are integrated into Monahans. For extra graphics capabilities, Intel recommends third party chips like the Nvidia GoForce chip family <-- ((NOT AUTHORIZED BY NVIDIA)).
******NOW CHECK THIS OUT:: YOU THOUGHT THE PROCESSOR WAS EVERYTHING RIGHT? WELL SEEMS LIKE YOU WERE WRONG::READ WHAT WE CAN DO WITH THE RAM********
This is why i chose Hynix and not Samsung
Hynix Semiconductor Inc. (Hangul: 하이닉스 반도체) KSE: 000660 is an electronics company founded in 1983 as Hyundai Electronics Industries Co., Ltd. In the 1980s and 1990s it was mainly focusing on marketing DRAM, and then later SDRAM. In 2001 the business sold their TFT LCD assets for $650m, of the same year they developed the world's first 128MB DDR SDRAM for graphics.
Hynix is among the Worldwide Top 20 Semiconductor Sales Leaders.
In 2004-2005 an investigation was carried out into a worldwide DRAM price fixing conspiracy during 1999-2002 that damaged competition and raised PC prices. As a result, Samsung <-- (SEE SAMSUNG IS A LOSER) is to pay $300 million fine, Hynix was to pay $185 mln in 2005, Infineon: $160 mln in 2004. Micron Technology cooperated with prosecutors and no fine is expected.
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And now getting to the RAM
The RAM is an addon in the universal and not a replacement. Replacements are very damaging to the device and decreases the life of the device.
So all we got to do is addon the RAM.
Now i am going to personally speak to a Hynix manager and ask him if our devices are upgradable. I will also ask him about the pricing and how we can make bulk orders. I will read on more about RAM and what should we buy exactly? They manufacture so many products and you dont want to pick the wrong one.
Ah yes and they also manufacture better LCD screens for the Universal. In case some one wants to take on that project most welcome to. I would love a Anti-glare glass screen for my universal.

RAM,processor or WiFi of Universal cannot be upgrated,though RAM of HP4700 can be upgrated to 128MB.but the camera of Universal can be upgrated to 3.0MP.It costs only RMB200(USD25).There are already many people(except me) upgrated their camera of Uni.I will post the pictures later

yinfo said:
RAM,processor or WiFi of Universal cannot be upgrated,though RAM of HP4700 can be upgrated to 128MB.but the camera of Universal can be upgrated to 3.0MP.It costs only RMB200(USD25).There are already many people(except me) updated their camera of Uni.I will post the pictures later
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$25 USD Sounds too unreal for a 3MP camera upgrade for Universal. What is the optical zoom/digital zoom/lens mm? We here at xda-developers.com are looking into technical and specific details. I dont want a 3MP camera with barely any optical/digital zoom and images that cant be taken in a sunny day.
Also RAM upgrade is possible. Why else do you think those two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard?
I was sure that the camera can be upgraded too. I will find out more camera details and keep the forum posted. Since i am a professional SLR photographer i can provide the best camera's to the Universal device.
This means a stronger high beam flash can also be upgraded.

nuclear said:
$25 USD Sounds too unreal for a 3MP camera upgrade for Universal. What is the optical zoom/digital zoom/lens mm? We here at xda-developers.com are looking into technical and specific details. I dont want a 3MP camera with barely any optical/digital zoom and images that cant be taken in a sunny day.
Also RAM upgrade is possible. Why else do you think those two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard?
I was sure that the camera can be upgraded too. I will find out more camera details and keep the forum posted. Since i am a professional SLR photographer i can provide the best camera's to the Universal device.
This means a stronger high beam flash can also be upgraded.
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Maybe $25 USD Sounds unreal for you,but in China,it's real.But now I can't find out the pictures of it on Chinese forum. It has optical zoom.
The battery costs only $25 in China,the imitated one costs only $7.And the 3200mAh battery costs less than $15 now,though I bought it for $19 5 months ago.I bought my T-Mobile MDA Pro for about $530.
Two empty solder spots are left on the motherboard is because the Universal was fist made for Windows Mobile 2003,which must has 128MB RAM.Do know CeBIT 2005?CeBIT 2005 had a Universal(T-Mobile MDA PRO) on show,which has WM2003 and 128MB RAM.
But someone had his HP4700 upgrated to 128MB RAM said that the Universal couldnot be upgrated to 128MB.He didn't tell me the reason.And so far,I have never seen any one have his Universal upgrated to 128MB RAM.

Battery and Camera
yinfo you might be correct about the battery. I actually bought my Universal for around the same price as yours. Just $100 more. My 3200mAh battery also costed around the same price as yours. All my items came ofcourse from Shanghai and Ho Chi Minh and Hong Kong.
But my RAM is going to come from South Korea, Seoul.
Some good stuff is also being sold at Hanoi in Vietnam. Better check that place out.
Camera upgrade cannot be so cheap. It really sounds too unreal. I mean camera is not equal to battery. Maybe $100-$200 will be more realistic. Anyways I am still looking into this camera upgrade on the net, will find some results soon and keep the forum posted.

hehe, it all sounds so exotic! I got my universal for £150 on a rainy high street in the UK!
loving the chance for a camera replacement, though. also, i had a browse through the universal's disassembly manual, and the flash LED is just stuck-down then plugged in. i bet even I could upgrade that!

r3bel said:
hehe, it all sounds so exotic! I got my universal for £150 on a rainy high street in the UK!
loving the chance for a camera replacement, though. also, i had a browse through the universal's disassembly manual, and the flash LED is just stuck-down then plugged in. i bet even I could upgrade that!
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I want to upgrade the flash LED to the flash in the SLR digital camera. So that i get better image quality while taking photographs in the public. Also i would like a 3MP camera. I have printed images on photo paper before and they came out nice. But 3MP would be the best.

nuclear You foolish !!
You absolutely do not understand in electronics and PPC.
1) You can not change the processor since this not PC. Mobile processors PXA 270 and PXA2XX to have other points and other auxiliary elements.
2) Such reasons and about graphic chip.
3)The Camera can be theoretically modernized -but if have an alike connector and electrically parameters.
We conducted the modernization on typhoon c500 cameras. This device was delivered on european and chinese market with miscellaneous camera.
When installation of the other camera -you need other ROM with the other driver for this cameras. You can not simply change this driver - necessary to build in this in ROM.
I did this on typhoon c500. But this in a complicated way.
4) Theoretically you may add on Universal RAM - my friends conducted modernization and tried to enlarge RAM - but you may use only such RAM as it is used in Universal.
My friends concern with the repair PPC to have specialized device. In home condition you will not be able this do.
After they were added chip RAM - a system does not see these chips. We thought that probably system does not see additional RAm since does not enter the signal CS ( chip select ) -we have found this signal on board. But probably system does not see RAM since is not installed specific driver which will be able to service additional RAM.
nuclear
Be enough to carry the foolishness and tell about that that you do not understand - you probably foolish young person who wants to raise its rating in this forum.

Shift dissasembly and SSD installation.

I am having thoughts of installing a ssd drive inside htc shift. Is this possible? Has anybody tried it or dissasembly htc shift?
Thanks,
Lefteris

i dont know that im brave enuf to kill my warranty. If the drives are the same size and same power consumption and have the same mounting points then it should be easy.

That's a lot of ifs...

And if you look in Vista at the Experience index, you can see that the HD is fast enough
Okay, SSD is always a lot faster.

I forgot the big if,
IF you can afford one the proper size

If someone has very large juevos they could crack their shift open and take some pictures!!!
doh, daniel u should of done that before replacing it!!!!!

There are internal pics of the Shift on the FCC site.
https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas...omFrame=N&application_id=542917&fcc_id='NM8CL'

good to know we can upgrade the harddrive very easily then
and the ram oh goody 2 gig chip
Those are very easy upgrades, does anyone know the part #s for the existing items?
We need a ghost of a prestine box, make sure one of the senior guys when they get their box to ghost is right away.

Well one thing for sure an extra gigabyte of ram would help.

But is does seems we need a very specific module to replace the RAM.
Any ideas where to buy such a module?

According to the FCC pictures the ram module is:
Qimonda
qty 8 of HYB18T1G160BFL-5 / 3VV08956 (also has 0724 and B on the chips)
on a double sided chip
http://www.qimonda.com/mobile-ram/ddr-18/index.html

rpawly said:
According to the FCC pictures the ram module is:
Qimonda
qty 8 of HYB18T1G160BFL-5 / 3VV08956 (also has 0724 and B on the chips)
on a double sided chip
http://www.qimonda.com/mobile-ram/ddr-18/index.html
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I had some trouble opening the link but now it seems to work.
The problems I see is that Qimonda is a producer of RAM chips, not a retailer/seller of modules.
And second they only list 1GB sets.
Third, where can we get our paws on a 2GB module?

Ouch,
I just located some 2GB DDR2 microDIMM RAM at 500 USD, the 1GB chips are 180 USD.
also we have to find out if the vista bios supports 2 GB DDR microDIMM, the bios they are running is very weak, i suppose we would have to get a new one of those too :/

rpawly said:
Ouch,
I just located some 2GB DDR2 microDIMM RAM at 500 USD, the 1GB chips are 180 USD.
also we have to find out if the vista bios supports 2 GB DDR microDIMM, the bios they are running is very weak, i suppose we would have to get a new one of those too :/
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Can you tell me where you found that 2GB DDR2 MicroDimm?

Ok that is a lot about RAM but how about a SSD?

I believe the BIOS should support 2 gigs. I asked the folks at HTC about this and they didn't indicate any issues beyond the challenge of opening the device and the fact that it does void the warranty.

http://www.amentio.se/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:2010473;c:36376;r:prisjakt
Please take a look at the specs and tell me if it would fit. I am new to this so wanna be sure.

premier69 said:
http://www.amentio.se/PartDetail.aspx?q=p:2010473%3bc:36376%3brrisjakt
Please take a look at the specs and tell me if it would fit. I am new to this so wanna be sure.
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The MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF1 is an 8mm drive (height), so no, it won't fit. You want the MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF2 which is 5mm in height.
Google told me that
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=208242&page=303&highlight=2510p
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Originally Posted by Tomy B.
I did some research and find out that there is two versions of Mtron Mobi 3000 1.8" 32GB with ZIF.
Does anyone know is there any difference between MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF1 and MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF2, except thickness (first one is 8 mm, second 5 mm) and price.
Is there some reason for MSD-PATA3018-032 ZIF2 to be cheap?
If someone can recommend any 2.5" SSD with 44-pin IDE or 1.8" with ZIF just let me know. 32 GB is just enough. I had Samsung 1.8" with 50-pin IDE, but it was 16 GB (around 15GB actually), so 50-pin IDE will work too.
The only difference betweem the ZIF1 and ZIF2 is the height. The ZIF2 (5mm) is being produced for regular orders by Mtron, so you will find this easily available (http://rocketdisk.com/index.php?cPath=15) but the ZIF1 (8mm) is only being produced for OEMs and other special situations.
There is no reason for it to be so cheap, other than good value
The performance is really awesome & as you have probably seen on notebookreview.com there are lots of happy customers!! ---- end quote

rpawly said:
i dont know that im brave enuf to kill my warranty. If the drives are the same size and same power consumption and have the same mounting points then it should be easy.
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背面有8颗螺丝,键盘下面有一颗螺丝 ,一共9颗 在电池接口处出力压下,键盘会跳出来,看我的拆机图http://picasaweb.google.com/netcnn/Netck

btw: I buyed yesterday a MSD-PATA3018-032-ZIF2 within Ebay. We will see how fast it is. But I think this is the fastest ATA-7 1,8" HDD on Market. Mtron announced a 64 and 128GB Version as well a few months ago, but I never see anything like this.. :-(

Big News ! Shift get naked ! RAM upgrade will be possible and SSD should be fine!

I have come across this link, someone has open up Shift completely, it's in chinese so i will summarize his finding, it seems like there is hope on SSD upgrade, space is enough, 1.8 inch hard drive size. RAM upgrade seems to be possible until the 2G ram is in production. He mentions the sliding mechanism can be improve if open up the Shift, but he didn't mention how.
Let me know if you want more info about that post, and go ahead and check out the photo at this link :
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384

it could be possible to desolder the ram chips and replace them with higher capacity ones. I believe that the shift can take 2gb of ram without any other modifications. The problem is finding those chips and a service center able to perform such tasks.

lol where is olipro..... he loves to do these kinds of things

I have taken my shift apart, and there isn't more space for the drive than the one that is mounted, so only the 1,8" 5mm low profile drives will fit, as far as I know the biggest is 40GB atm.
I can't see what is wrong with the connector for the ram it's a standard microdimm connector for ulv devices as you can se here Kingston makes them !! and my source tells me that a 2GB module is in preproduction.

wu5262 said:
I have come across this link, someone has open up Shift completely, it's in chinese so i will summarize his finding, it seems like there is hope on SSD upgrade, space is enough, 1.8 inch hard drive size. RAM upgrade seems not possible seems it uses a strange pin. He mentions the sliding mechanism can be improve if open up the Shift, but he didn't mention how.
Let me know if you want more info about that post, and go ahead and check out the photo at this link :
http://www.mobile01.com/topicdetail.php?f=224&t=566224&last=5479384
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Wu5262 dont suppose he acknowledges that indeed there is a GPS aerial in place?

After i opened up my shift i can confirm the GPS antenna is there !!

pusler said:
After i opened up my shift i can confirm the GPS antenna is there !!
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Greeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeat! oh but hold on which market was your shift for?

It's for Europe !!

pusler said:
I have taken my shift apart, and there isn't more space for the drive than the one that is mounted, so only the 1,8" 5mm low profile drives will fit, as far as I know the biggest is 40GB atm.
I can't see what is wrong with the connector for the ram it's a standard microdimm connector for ulv devices as you can se here Kingston makes them !! and my source tells me that a 2GB module is in preproduction.
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I had a look into this and seems like you are right, i have now correct the post.
Thanks

pusler said:
I have taken my shift apart, and there isn't more space for the drive than the one that is mounted, so only the 1,8" 5mm low profile drives will fit, as far as I know the biggest is 40GB atm.
I can't see what is wrong with the connector for the ram it's a standard microdimm connector for ulv devices as you can se here Kingston makes them !! and my source tells me that a 2GB module is in preproduction.
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Can't wait for 2 GB ram on this device bet it would make a good bit of difference but I think the biggest difference would be seen with an SSD.
From the hard drive model in the picture here is the link to the drive:
http://www.toshibastorage.com/main....inchHardDiskDrives/MK4009GAL/MK4009GALSupport
It does confirm it is a 40gb 5mm high drive with a 90mm side connector and yes it looks like for toshiba at least 40gb is the biggest for 5mm height. Does anyone know of an SSD that is the right size and connector?
PDF of the drive specs
http://www.toshibastorage.com/techdocs/MK4009GALTechnicalNotes-RevA.pdf

Do you know If gps will be accesible from vista side? I ve fallen in love with sygic pc version. Winmo version is nice but we know we havent 3d drivers for ati hardware. Pc version is running very smoothly in vista. It looks a video game...........

So, the Toshy drive is 5mm x 54mm x 71mm...any reason why this wouldn't work?
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=161&partnum=MCCOE64GEMPP
or this
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/flash/ssd/pdf/18_datasheet.pdf
I'm guessing it'll cost a pretty penny (or pound, lira, euro, etc.) to get 64GB SSD running on the Shift, but man....

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So, the Toshy drive is 5mm x 54mm x 71mm...any reason why this wouldn't work?
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=161&partnum=MCCOE64GEMPP
or this
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/flash/ssd/pdf/18_datasheet.pdf
I'm guessing it'll cost a pretty penny (or pound, lira, euro, etc.) to get 64GB SSD running on the Shift, but man....
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Now that looks nice can't see anywhere who sell it though

landshark said:
So, the Toshy drive is 5mm x 54mm x 71mm...any reason why this wouldn't work?
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productInfo.do?fmly_id=161&partnum=MCCOE64GEMPP
or this
http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/products/flash/ssd/pdf/18_datasheet.pdf
I'm guessing it'll cost a pretty penny (or pound, lira, euro, etc.) to get 64GB SSD running on the Shift, but man....
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Maybe the reason is the connector doesn't fit?
I don't know for sure, but I thought I heard that the Shift has a special connector..

danielherrero said:
Do you know If gps will be accesible from vista side? I ve fallen in love with sygic pc version. Winmo version is nice but we know we havent 3d drivers for ati hardware. Pc version is running very smoothly in vista. It looks a video game...........
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When the guys get the GPS to work, it SHOULD be possible to share it through the USB tool connection so that VISTA can use it.
grtz,
Pfeffa-rah

HDD
The Dell Tablet uses a ribbon type drive. Their is a diffrent connector but anyone is willing to adventure I bet you can take the hard drive side of the ribbon cable off and swap them.

sandrobber said:
The Dell Tablet uses a ribbon type drive. Their is a diffrent connector but anyone is willing to adventure I bet you can take the hard drive side of the ribbon cable off and swap them.
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That's what I've done with the 64GB SSD from my Dell XT Tablet.
See
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=403626
here is the type of the drive and the specification.

Interesting News
Has anyone approached HTC about creating an official RAM upgrade that does not void warranty?
Could maybe HTC authorize certain companies in different regions of the world to perform the upgrade.
For example, PPC Techs does iPaq memory upgrades, not with HP's blessing, but they have shown expertise.
The reason I suggest having HTC bless this type of upgrade is 2 fold:
they have the resources to properly test and create a aftermarket kit
they may be shamed into doing something with some sort of subsidized cost to Shift owners since clearly having the combination of processor, memory and OS can never work efficinently since Vista was designed for higher processing power and more memory
This is just a suggestion, these devices can not cost $1000 to produce, HTC must have some serious profit in these puppies.
A side note on the SSD, based on my readings, the SSD drives use more battery power.
If there were to do any other updates, I would suggest making SD slot accessible to Snapview and enable Wifi on Snapview, maybe have an official liberation ROM as well for Snapview.
The additional memory on Vista side and better battery life (like Mugen bigger batteries for Shift) will make Shift almost perfect!!!
Dave32

I think the downfall of this device is the crappy CPU and VISTA...
even video encoding is crap
on my UX, I can watch Bluray rips in highest qualities, the Shift cant even handle DIVX well...

Backing up then Upgrading ... !!
Hello Guys
I have the HTC Shift 9500 European model with SIM FREE.
I know nothing about backup... !! What is the best way to backup the entire HardDrive with its Hidden partition ??
In addition, Has anyone succeed to upgrade the memory from 1GB to be 2GB or even 4 GB ??
Another question... Is there any successful HardDrive to SSD Drive upgrade ??
Kindly specify me the model numbers .. and from where to buy ...
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Archos 101 RAM upgrade.. research so far

I have been using my Archos 101 tablet for a few months now, I quite like it, and have tried a few of the different android builds available to download. I am keen to try and upgrade the ram, as 256MB is not alot. This is the progress I have made so far, I hope that maybe other people can add to it. First step is to find a suitable ram module that has the same pinouts, and specs, but with larger capacity. The ram module is marked "OVA18 D9LBZ". Using Microns FBGA decoder We find that the full part number of the ram module is "MT46H64M32LFMA-6 IT:A". If we go to microns list of available low power DDR modules we can see that there are available a 512MB and a 1GB version. (note that they are listed in megabits, not megabytes, so the original 256 megabyte module is a "2gb" size, 512MB is "4gb" and 1GB is "8gb")
I am in the UK, and havent yet found a uk supplier, but I found the 1GB module available in the US for about 50 US dollars.
I dont know what the max ram limit of the cpu is, I have read somewhere that the OMAP3630 cpu can support max 1GB, but cant remember where.
Im my mind there are two further problems once the chip has been bought:
1. physically removing the old ram module and fitting the new one. my plan is to setup a spring with one end glued/fixed somehow to the top of the old ram module, and then put the mainboard in the oven, and once the solder melts the spring will pull the ram chip off. Or it might pull the ram chip and the cpu at the same time. Then put tiny bits of solder on all the pins of the new ram module, align it ontop of the cpu, maybe under slight pressure, and put it back in the oven and hope that all of the solder joints connect properly. Quite a few of the pins are not used, so we can get away with 1 or 2 pins not connected. One concern I have is that in the spec sheet alot of the pins are labelled NC for not connected, but several have DNU which I take to mean "do not use". If these end up connected aswell then will this work or not. Another idea is instead of soldering the new chip on, we could polish the pins on the cpu really smooth and also polish the pins on the ram chip, and build a clip/holder type device, it might be possible to run the system with the ram chip just held under pressure on the cpu. We would need to stop the chip moving sideways also.
2. There may be a firmware issue with the new ram module, the system may not recognize the ram chip at all, or only address 256MB of it, because that is what its expecting to be there. I have seen a tutorial on upgrading the ram on an xbox and this is the problem they had, the new ram runs fine but only the original amount that was installed can be used without significant software changes. Hopefully archos have not made it too difficult for us.
These are my thoughts so far, I hope we can make some progress, or at least work out why it cant be done before destroying any hardware. I have links to the FBGA decoder, microns list of lp ddr chips, and the supplier of the 1GB chip, but as this is my first post I am not allowed to post links yet! PM me and I will send you the links.

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To be able to support bigger memory both memory controller of OMAP and pcb itself MUST have additional address lines. I almost sure that OMAP has at least 512MB support but not sure if Archos did preparation for bigger memory chip on board.
Also replacing of memory BGA chip not so simple and may cost more than new tablet

I am hoping that the larger memory chips still use the same interface, and therefore the same pin layout as the 256MB chip, as the link for the datasheet for 512MB and 1GB modules is the same as for the 256MB chip. So I dont think any additional data lines are needed.
Yes im sure your right, buying a later tablet will have larger ram module as standard, but I just like to tinker with things

Wikipedia list a few phones that use the omap 3630 cpu, and therefore probably use a ram module soldered ontop as in the archos. The motorola cliq 2 has 512MB of ram, as does the palm pre 2, the nokia n9 has 1GB ram but is a fairly new phone and still expensive to buy. I am going to looking out for a damaged mobile (cracked screen etc) and hope that the ram module is intact.

PPCtech did such an upgrade for the venerable HP hx4700, for $130 including material and shipment.
You'll need rework equipment (special kind of heat gun, not that expensive ($60 is the cheapest)), in an oven you'll probably kill components that were added later on (audio jack etc) and can't stand heat.
If you have the right equipment, it's not that hard to do. You'll heat the RAM chip till you can gently pull it off. Then you'll clean the PCB of solder residue. Next you put on solder paste using a BGA screen made for the chip you want to use.
Then you put the new RAM ic in the correct position (using a microscope to align it correctly), and locally heat it using the heat gun.
Then you pray it worked, or retry (best with a new RAM chip, but they can stand quite some heat, so reusing should be possible).
Problem is that you don't know for sure it could work, thus it's unclear if the error was in the soldering or in the firmware....

Sweet project! Any updates?

So 2GB RAM are only 1,8 GB, Sony uses its own values for marketing and counting?

Just seen that.
They advertise the compact as a 2GB RAM device, knowing that they only deliver 1,8 GB.
Anyone else seen that before?
I do not think it s a way to free up to full 2GB as advertised?
Other brands deliver 2GB if they tell their devices have, why not so z5 compact?

punkrockfan said:
Just seen that.
They advertise the compact as a 2GB RAM device, knowing that they only deliver 1,8 GB.
Anyone else seen that before?
I do not think it s a way to free up to full 2GB as advertised?
Other brands deliver 2GB if they tell their devices have, why not so z5 compact?
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Where's the source on what you're talking about? The RAM is always going to be used up by something - the OS, launcher, etc. You're not going to turn the phone on and have exactly 2GB of RAM available.

Sure, but it says 1,4 out of 1,8 used, 3xx free.
That means Limit is 1,8 as shown under Memory, not 2 as advertised. Never noticed that on a phone before.
As soon as the device is running memory is used, but it should say out of 2,0 not 1,8?

@punkrockfan
you're a little late to the party
http://www.disk-space-guide.com/size-units.aspx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gigabyte
https://blogs.gnome.org/cneumair/2008/09/30/1-kb-1024-bytes-no-1-kb-1000-bytes/
http://superuser.com/questions/287375/what-is-the-origin-of-k-1024
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_binary_prefixes
Also - not sure why you'd want to specifically blame Sony for this
Coming from the technical, developer background:
you have to consider that device drivers also eat up quite some memory/storage (best example: the Galaxy S, GT-i9000: 512 MB advertised, at best 300 [384 at best] available)
it's only the device drivers, it's the kernel (system) itself that also needs memory
so you'd basically have to advertise e.g. 2 GB but plug in 3 or even 4 GB to have full access for e.g. apps

All companies define a gigabyte to be 1000MB, and a megabyte to be 1000kb, etc etc. In reality it's 1024KB per MB, and 1024MB per GB.
You never fully get 2GB, just check your computer eg. your hardrive might be 1tb big, but in reality its only somewhat over 900gb? 16gb ram might only be 15.9 gb!

Well, nice, not sure since when vienna is germany?

punkrockfan said:
Well, nice, not sure since when vienna is germany?
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derailing the topic like a pro
Home Country vs. Service Provider vs. City
you'd know that if you had taken a look at your own profile
(I moved back some time ago)
Thanks for the notice though

The topic is...that in Windows the full RAM without any convertings of bits and bytes is shown.
Only Hard Disks have that "exchange" from 2TB to 1,8 e.g.
So I was not awaiting that on mobile RAM too.

Really ?
I gotta take a look next time I booted into Windows,
Android sort of is Unix, Linux - so that is more to be expected

yep
BIOS: 3096MB a 4GB Bar
Windows too
But I got an explanation somewhere else as smartphones use flash memorys equal to SSDs so its the same 1000 isnt 1024...thing there )

punkrockfan said:
yep
BIOS: 3096MB a 4GB Bar
Windows too
But I got an explanation somewhere else as smartphones use flash memorys equal to SSDs so its the same 1000 isnt 1024...thing there )
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3096MB ?
that looks more like a 32bit OS limitation though

punkrockfan said:
yep
BIOS: 3096MB a 4GB Bar
Windows too
But I got an explanation somewhere else as smartphones use flash memorys equal to SSDs so its the same 1000 isnt 1024...thing there )
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Plus, on android some ram is reserved by GPU. Unlike dedicated graphic card on PC/Mac which got their owned ram but our GPU shared with system memory.

Same thing as onboard GPU on desktop systems so?
Well 3096 per slot, using several 4GB bars, no 32 bit limitation)