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If you're looking to get rid of the menu bar at the bottom of the Today Screen, read on. This is not a new tip, but might save you time, as there's a lot of different versions of these programs flying around. Only the one below works on WM6 / HTC Touch.
I personally find that the Menu Bars at the bottom of the Today Screen really spoil the look of the HTC Touch's sleek black/grey theme. Besides, the Comm Manager and Contacts are both accessible via the spinning cube (or the camera button if you install Double Launcher) so there's no need to have on the Today Screen, you may as well get more space for plugins, or just to keep everything looking neat and tidy. See screenshot below!
Here's how to banish them forever (?!) :
1. Download ToggleTodayIIAlpha from this link:
http://www.vijay555.com/vj/releases/vjtoggletodayii/vjtoggletodayiialpha.exe
2. Copy it to your \Windows\Startup directory. (or somewhere else and paste a shortcut instead)
3. Go into the registry and edit this key:
HKLM/Software/Vijay555/VJTodayToggle
Change these keys:
Softkeysize = 1
StartSize = 26
TrayVisible = 1
That's it! I've had no massive problems with this so far, although I haven't been testing it for too long. I'd be interested to hear how people get on in terms of stability/bugs. You WILL get problems if you try to use any of the older VJTodayToggle programs in the thread on this forum:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=243211
(SIP keyboard staying on, SIP moving to the top of the screen, menu titles disappearing but not the background, etc.)
...in fact, that's precisely why I'm sharing this info with you, as this thread is 39 pages long and it's only towards the end that things become totally clear! I'll post again if there's any unexpected side-effects, I'm currently minimising BatteryStatus and I don't know whether this will
Good luck!
Carlos
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A: If you want to make your screen even neater AND still overclock your Touch, then, in step 3 above, you can make TrayVisible=0 then you can minimise the BatteryStatus plugin and it won't show up on your today screen. (right click on batterystatus icon, choose 'show rows -> minimise') I haven't tested this properly yet.
B: If you want to explore hiding the Start Menu, feel free, it looks superb when you first do it, but then I have found that the HTC biotouch (spinning cube) automatically re-instates the start menu bar when it's deactivated each time.
C: Please note, this program ( tt2.exe) DOES NOT TOGGLE, even though it's called that! Again, it's a 39 page thread, I warned you...
D: You can also run TT2.exe with a -config option to avoid editing the registry, but this would actually make the above even more long-winded to explain to any n00bs.
E: A nice new HTC wallpaper is doing the rounds without the logo. (As you can see from my screenshot, it's mis-positioned with the extra screen space) See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319830
F: Vijay555 has been meaning to release a new (non-alpha) version of the software for some time, but sounds pretty busy. He seems like an all-round splendid guy though and I'd like to thank him for this software and his continued postings/programming.
I have the HTC X7500 WM6 and I've been desperate to make it works.
I've been trying other version from the 40 pages thread, so I'll try this one and I will post result.
BigDede said:
I have the HTC X7500 WM6 and I've been desperate to make it works.
I've been trying other version from the 40 pages thread, so I'll try this one and I will post result.
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Good luck! The honest truth is that after I'd posted this, I discovered a couple of bugs that appeared in soak testing. I gave up in the end - it worked 90% but I would still occasionally get conflict, e.g. the SIP keyboard would appear at the top of the screen sometimes and only a soft reset would put it back where it was meant to be!
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Good luck! The honest truth is that after I'd posted this, I discovered a couple of bugs that appeared in soak testing. I gave up in the end - it worked 90% but I would still occasionally get conflict, e.g. the SIP keyboard would appear at the top of the screen sometimes and only a soft reset would put it back where it was meant to be!
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Yep I confirm that, SIP keyboard is there, and sometimes as well softkeys stay there after softreset.
Well actually for me it's even worse, it's hiding the system tray (the bar just above the softkeys bar) where we can add shortcuts icons and keep the softkeys bar enabled..
Im disappointed but thks for vijay555 for all the efforts
Perfect... without HTC Logo is even better...
Thanks Carlos,
I've just installed and its working fine. With the clean background from http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=319830 looks even better.
Cheers,
Marcelo
BigDede said:
Yep I confirm that, SIP keyboard is there, and sometimes as well softkeys stay there after softreset.
Well actually for me it's even worse, it's hiding the system tray
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See my original post, have you tried setting TrayVisible=1 in the registry, this should show the system tray.
I followed exactly what u posted, it displayed it correctly the first time, then after soft reset it was displaying only the softkeys bar and hiding the system tray bar
Thks anyway
How does this look on screens BESIDES the today screen? I have used other programs on different WM phones in the past and although the bottom bar disappears on the today screen, it is still on other screens.
Also, can you use the bottom of the screen or is it just dead space? Some of us have moved the HTC Home Plug to the bottom of the page and if it is just dead space, it is going to look bad....
maevro said:
How does this look on screens BESIDES the today screen? I have used other programs on different WM phones in the past and although the bottom bar disappears on the today screen, it is still on other screens. Also, can you use the bottom of the screen or is it just dead space? Some of us have moved the HTC Home Plug to the bottom of the page and if it is just dead space, it is going to look bad....
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The menu bar is visible on other screens, this behaviour is by design. I cannot see why anybody would want it invisible on other screens, as you normally need those softkeys for menus in most programs!
As far as I know you can use the bottom of the screen, it is not dead space. But why not try it out - it's unlikely to do any harm. You can always delete it from your startup directory to uninstall if you don't want it.
C
Well it works well so far.....(Not my screen, Neo's screen @ HoFo)
I can't remember if the TrayVisible setting even works - I think it was something I was intending to build in, but never got around to it.
Apologies... I'm kinda programming again, had lots going on, so never finished the app. Sorry for you guys having to use my unfinished piece of cr*p. I'll make it work properly one day!
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vijay555 said:
I can't remember if the TrayVisible setting even works - I think it was something I was intending to build in, but never got around to it.
Apologies... I'm kinda programming again, had lots going on, so never finished the app. Sorry for you guys having to use my unfinished piece of cr*p. I'll make it work properly one day!
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Thks a lot vijay555
HELP!!!
I installed this, but I don't know how to get into the registry from an .exe file, so I just tried to open the file through my phone, and instead it has hidden my start bar, as well as the bottom bar. How do I reverse this???
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Well it works well so far.....(Not my screen, Neo's screen @ HoFo)
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How did you "move" the HTC Home plugin to the bottom part of the Today-screen without any plugin above it? I searched all over the forums, but I cannot find the answer to this question
--Marc
soulstar said:
HELP!!!
I installed this, but I don't know how to get into the registry from an .exe file, so I just tried to open the file through my phone, and instead it has hidden my start bar, as well as the bottom bar. How do I reverse this???
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Just soft reset your phone.
marc2503 said:
How did you "move" the HTC Home plugin to the bottom part of the Today-screen without any plugin above it? I searched all over the forums, but I cannot find the answer to this question
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Use the HTC Home customizer to "unlock" it. Then you can move it around like normal.
However, it doesn't redraw correctly on the right side if you unlock it, and a scrollbar comes and goes.
i have a other solution!! PCM shrink installe it and your bar remove it s very easier! For become to the original config juste delete the programmz!!
won't stick
Hi..very nice and easy Zip File..just one problem: the toggle won't stick after a soft reset = one has to go into File Explorer..double click the Toggle File and only than the screen is "clean" again.
Any way to make the toggle "stick"?
I have not this problem! I install the cab i going on the explorer and today shrink and clik on after i reboot my pda ans the bar not appear ... You can try put a abbreviated of today skrink in WINdows/started for star the application automatic on windows sartup
the result of the appl:
I have this running at startup on my Tilt, works with screen rotations and everything! And the hard keys are still mapped to calendar and contacts for quick access, awesome.
Many thanks, couldn't stand those useless soft keys before.
- Charles
Ok, I think this one is gonna need a sticky. I got sick of having to type in all of the shortcuts in the registry editor to change the cube, so I wrote this little spiffy app. It allows you to customize the 2 sides of the cube with shortcuts. Just make sure you know what you are doing as far as what can go where. Enjoy!
Version 1.1 - I got tired of waiting for the file browser to refresh everytime. Now you only have to wait for the first time, after that it is cached.
Version 1.2 - Added IconPress to the 6-App Side, and IconPlaying, IconPlayingPress, and IconPress to the 3-App side.
Version 2.0 - Added param for 6-App Side and 3-App Side. Added links to animation files. Added GUI for app selection for 3-App side and 6-App side.
Version 2.1 - Squashed the bugs that were coming up. Sorry I didn't test it enough before releasing.
Version 3.0 - Now supports multiple 6-App sides (See Polen's Vista Cube)!! Added reset to defaults. Automatic shortcut selector or browse for apps. Fixed the bug where the Program Files directory wasn't showing up in the Browse tree.
Version 4.0 - Added support for the iCube , animation configuring for newly added sides, export settings to .reg file, and icon image preview*.
*The icon image preview must be set up correctly to work. It all depends on the naming convention used. Polen's icon packs work with the preview. Since the .brn files cannot be rendered, a .bmp file must be placed in the directory with the .brn having the same filename or following Polen's naming convention (ex. ie.bmp -> ie_top.brn, ie_top_press.brn).
I tried testing it with the stock cube, Polen's 6 sided cube, and the iCube, but may not have caught everything, so if you find a bug, let me know!
SORRY!!! I left out a file from the .cab, it's all fixed now! Enjoy!
Version 4.1 - Fixed a bug in the export settings and the Save button was getting disabled.
Download link: http://rapidshare.com/files/79573356/CubeConfig4.1.zip
If you guys have anymore suggestions, let me know.
Cheers!
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Ok, I think this one is gonna need a sticky. I got sick of having to type in all of the shortcuts in the registry editor to change the cube, so I wrote this little spiffy app. It allows you to customize the 2 sides of the cube with shortcuts. Just make sure you know what you are doing as far as what can go where. Cheers!
http://rapidshare.com/files/73227261/CubeConfig.zip
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Thanks for the App, works great.
difference between this and touch settings???
ok one question
when i make Icons. I save them as a BMP 24 bit, then i can just BMP to BRN and it will work?
also you just install CAB and go. Do you have to stop any processes before going. I guess i wont wait for Touch settings. This looks like it will work great???
just need to know if i need different icon sizes for the 3X2 and Media Hub????
thisguyinoc said:
Ok, I think this one is gonna need a sticky. I got sick of having to type in all of the shortcuts in the registry editor to change the cube, so I wrote this little spiffy app. It allows you to customize the 2 sides of the cube with shortcuts. Just make sure you know what you are doing as far as what can go where. Enjoy!
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Without wanting to detract from what you have done, you may also want to look at 'Touch Settings' which has this functionality already. (now works on the Vogue) See:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=324556 (main thread)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=347892 (vogue support thread)
in your post though it said that you cant do Iocns yet on the sprint touch this one i believe if you just set the filepath you can!
also carlos kind of in response to my other thread in the vogue forum.
I was at my friends house playing w/ his sprint touch, downloaded some icons from my website, and put them on w/ this prog. I just saved files to the windows folder with BRN extension and it worked? Idk if it will w/ touch settings, but this one works for that purpose....
still not sure though if you need different size icons for mediahub..???
also still my question..... do you have to stop running the mediahub.exe or w/e the file is called before installilng this puppy?
ambush276 said:
in your post though it said that you cant do Icons yet on the sprint touch this one i believe if you just set the filepath you can!
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As of yesterday's build Touch Settings can display / change Sprint (BRN) Icons. Simply tap the pictures to change.
great! ive heard so many great things about the touch settings program.. That i want to continue using it.
My question is are the pics still fuzzy when you use BMP to BRN. OR are they clear like sprint pre installed logo's.
my final question, and i know its been asked, can i use the 119 by the other dimension for both the 3X2 and Media Hub Screen?? What dimensions do i need? on the pics?
also i heard about Media hub not closing? is this true or is it fixed?
Would this work for the Bell Mobility version of the HTC Touch? (Canadian carrier, with a version of the Sprint vogue)
what i dont understand is th animation tab. I know how to make my own icons and stuff, my question is... like what is the animations brn?? What do i have to make for those. Do i need to change it?? I have all custom icons, does animations matter?
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what i dont understand is th animation tab. I know how to make my own icons and stuff, my question is... like what is the animations brn?? What do i have to make for those. Do i need to change it?? I have all custom icons, does animations matter?
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those are the images that are shown when changing from side to side. You don't have to change them, but you now have the option.
i c. So like if i make icon images... when i go to animations tab, i just say for image 1, run the path to my icon. Then i will be fine?? and it will turn w/ icon of choice... But there are only 6 icons???
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If you guys have anymore suggestions, let me know.
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What I'd really like to see is the ability to add QDail sides to the cube like you can with the Aplauncher. Has anyone got that working? I have more than 9 frequently called contacts and would love to have at least 2 sides of contacts - one for personal and one for business would be perfect.
But now that I've typed all this...I just realized that you didn't write the 6-sided cube app, right? I just integrates with yours....
I've been using the Touch Settings program from Carlos -- I'm anxious to see how this one works, too. Thanks to both of you for your hard work!
Haggar said:
What I'd really like to see is the ability to add QDail sides to the cube like you can with the Aplauncher. Has anyone got that working? I have more than 9 frequently called contacts and would love to have at least 2 sides of contacts - one for personal and one for business would be perfect.
But now that I've typed all this...I just realized that you didn't write the 6-sided cube app, right? I just integrates with yours....
I've been using the Touch Settings program from Carlos -- I'm anxious to see how this one works, too. Thanks to both of you for your hard work!
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Yeah, I didn't write the 6-sided cube. I worked with Polen to make my app scale to the number of sides you have installed.
thisguyinoc said:
Yeah, I didn't write the 6-sided cube. I worked with Polen to make my app scale to the number of sides you have installed.
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I played with your program yesterday (okay, let me be honest...I spent 20 hours in the past 24 hours making new cube graphics and drinking coffee until it was bleeding out my ears) and it's wonderful. In combination with the 6 sided cube it's a really great ap.
This may be from a total lack of sleep and the really nice caffiene buzz I've got going, but I'm a bit confused regarding the rotation anims and how to set them via the anim tab.
Is there a way to specify different transition graphics sets between sides 1&2, 2&3, and 3&4? It seems like the default is set to use C0-C5 for all rotations of the Launcher. Am I missing something? I was that the VistaCube program installed D0-D5 so manually created my own and added them to the Windows directory. My D series seems to be applied to those transitions eventhough the animations page shows C0-C5.
Is there a way to get to a drop down menu specifically for the extra sides or is this something that must be done manually? And in either case...how would I set it up to have separate anims for each of the different sides?
The main reason I ask is because I'm planning to use rather generic icons on my launcher pages so that I can swap out programs whenever I want without having to update the graphics on the cube. For example...I have an MP3 player icon that says "Music" on one page. I can assign that to Mort, or WMP, or anything else I want and not worry about the icon. That allows me to put the icons into the rotation graphics so it's a smooth transition and I don't see the "flash" when the app icons load on top of an otherwise different background.
Whew...long-ass question for something so simple. Any help would be appreciated!
Haggar said:
I played with your program yesterday (okay, let me be honest...I spent 20 hours in the past 24 hours making new cube graphics and drinking coffee until it was bleeding out my ears) and it's wonderful. In combination with the 6 sided cube it's a really great ap.
This may be from a total lack of sleep and the really nice caffiene buzz I've got going, but I'm a bit confused regarding the rotation anims and how to set them via the anim tab.
Is there a way to specify different transition graphics sets between sides 1&2, 2&3, and 3&4? It seems like the default is set to use C0-C5 for all rotations of the Launcher. Am I missing something? I was that the VistaCube program installed D0-D5 so manually created my own and added them to the Windows directory. My D series seems to be applied to those transitions eventhough the animations page shows C0-C5.
Is there a way to get to a drop down menu specifically for the extra sides or is this something that must be done manually? And in either case...how would I set it up to have separate anims for each of the different sides?
The main reason I ask is because I'm planning to use rather generic icons on my launcher pages so that I can swap out programs whenever I want without having to update the graphics on the cube. For example...I have an MP3 player icon that says "Music" on one page. I can assign that to Mort, or WMP, or anything else I want and not worry about the icon. That allows me to put the icons into the rotation graphics so it's a smooth transition and I don't see the "flash" when the app icons load on top of an otherwise different background.
Whew...long-ass question for something so simple. Any help would be appreciated!
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That's a very logical request. Look for it in the next release.
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That's a very logical request. Look for it in the next release.
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Pithy. I like it.
Haggar said:
What I'd really like to see is the ability to add QDail sides to the cube like you can with the Aplauncher. Has anyone got that working? I have more than 9 frequently called contacts and would love to have at least 2 sides of contacts - one for personal and one for business would be perfect.
But now that I've typed all this...I just realized that you didn't write the 6-sided cube app, right? I just integrates with yours....
I've been using the Touch Settings program from Carlos -- I'm anxious to see how this one works, too. Thanks to both of you for your hard work!
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Did you ever figure out a way to add another contact side to the cube?
I just installed the CubeConfig3.0.CAB
In the usual screen that says successfully installed and if you need more room... It is followed by a message I have not seen yet:
The program you have installed may not display properly because it was designed for a previous version of Windows Mobile software.
FYI
EDIT: I'm running the unmodified WM6 on a Bell CDMA Touch (Vogue - 128MB RAM/256 MB ROM)
Hmm I never got that one.... I'm running the exact same phone as you, MM.
I was suprised to see the latest version of DBH's Slide2Unlock available for download the other day. Beyond that, I was pleasantly surprised by the functionality of this program. I've been using A_C's S2U2 and needless to say, tremendously happy with his latest version. Is it just me and my Mogul or does Slide2Unlock Professional require far less program memory or RAM? The point of this thread is to collect the positives and negatives of using one of these programs versus the other. Try to keep replies limited to the most recent releases of both programs. Thanks.
I didnt compare memmory consumption but what i found different was that S2U when awakened after a long period it seems that the clock was frozen and just wakes up too (eg its 1pm now, when i turn my device on i can see the clock jump from 12pm till 1pm, anyone else has this?!) DBH's Slide2Unlock does not do this.
- I also liked he fact that DBH's Slide2Unlock has continuous gif animation and not the 10sec power saving as S2U
- however S2U u can see everything on one page: despite beeing a VERY cool option, u dont have to slide to see ur missed calls, #of messages and voice messages... I prefer S2U: just looking at the screen and figure out how many calls, messages, who was the last call, the time and date... everything by just one glance.
AC is the man.The way i look at the 10 sec issue is that the program is used for the purpose of locking the screen,so youre likely to unlock your screen at least ten seconds after switching on your phone,moving pictures are a bonus.Secondly,DPAD unlocking can prove priceless at times,sort of a failsafe in case life happens. The DBH had better graphics(emphasis on 'had') but the slider was bothersome,sometimes choppy/slow. I think anybody moaning about 1MB of memory usage should manage their PDA better.
After s2u2 sits fir a while the gif file will not animate until you press the slide key. This is the one reason why I am using pro over this. Has anyone found a fix for it?
What Fix
There is no Fix, there is nothing wrong with the application. A_C has hard-coded it into the applcation, may-be in next version he will add option to leave the gif running, when on land line would stay on.
What I like about Pro is you can change your animated .gif file easily when you get sick of it. In fact I made a folder on my storage card loaded with animated .gif files. You don't have to rename them to wallpaper or wallpaperL.
Also I just love how you slide away the time to reveal the other information. Its a really cool feature.
I must commend A C for his excellent program also. I was using it until this new version of Pro came out.
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There is no Fix, there is nothing wrong with the application. A_C has hard-coded it into the applcation, may-be in next version he will add option to leave the gif running, when on land line would stay on.
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I wasnt talking about it stopping to play after a certain amount of time. I am fine with that. I was talking about your screen being off and you go to turn it on. The animation should automatically start up when you turn the power on but it does not. The animation does not start until you hit the slide. Kind of makes having a gif file pointless.
Which uses more memory?
Is memory usage between the two of these programs about the same?
s2u
DBH's Slide2Unlock use more memory than AC_s2u2 and create a file at 4mb
but DBH's Slide2Unlock is smouther
and i like AC_s2u2 with other option like DBH's Slide2Unlock
On My HTC Touch it says Unknown Caller instead of the persons name in my caller id. that is the only thing that bothers me about DBH's.
Well I've used both, they do have their pros and cons. did find DBH Slide2Unlock Pro more stable on my device then A_C's S2U2 however, I've reverted to S2U2 as I prefer the analogue clock feature and the slide action is a lot smoother as apposed to lightning quick slide action of DBH Slide2Unlock Pro (I find it to be too quick for my liking).
I think the perfect Slide2Unlock app would be a combination of these two, I guess "I want to have the cake and eat it too" I'm just greedy!! LOL
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Well I've used both, they do have their pros and cons. did find DBH Slide2Unlock Pro more stable on my device then A_C's S2U2 however, I've reverted to S2U2 as I prefer the analogue clock feature and the slide action is a lot smoother as apposed to lightning quick slide action of DBH Slide2Unlock Pro (I find it to be too quick for my liking).
I think the perfect Slide2Unlock app would be a combination of these two, I guess "I want to have the cake and eat it too" I'm just greedy!! LOL
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I agree, a combination of these two would be perfect. I'm currently using the .86 version of S2U2 due to some bugs/features that I dislike in the new version (the TALK and END buttons function when locked, the black screen that appears when you get a SMS). What I like about S2U Pro though is the Slide to Reject and also the fact that when a new SMS comes in, the notification just appears on top of the S2U wallpaper, not masking it with a black screen. The slide feature for the clock is neat, yet I'd still perfer the little bubbles that appear on the bottom right of the screen like in earlier version and in A_C's. I think if both authors came together and made one program it would be perfect.
Well....A_C just released a new version today that makes the constant running GIF debate a moot point, he has allowed users to enable a constantly running GIF.
Maybe if some of the things I am not familiar with here (slide clock, slide to reject...) were mentioned over in his thread, he would work on it for you, he is always open to ideas, and will tell you if he can't, or if he will at least think about/try it!!
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Well....A_C just released a new version today that makes the constant running GIF debate a moot point, he has allowed users to enable a constantly running GIF.
Maybe if some of the things I am not familiar with here (slide clock, slide to reject...) were mentioned over in his thread, he would work on it for you, he is always open to ideas, and will tell you if he can't, or if he will at least think about/try it!!
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agree that he is open for advise/suggestions. But lets be honost...we don't want 2 exact the same programms. i think
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agree that he is open for advise/suggestions. But lets be honost...we don't want 2 exact the same programms. i think
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Oh...I wouldn't think that would happen, I just know if people like a lot of one app, they would stick with it, and make a suggestion of a change. I only mentioned A_C because I have followed him for a while, I am sure the other developer is just as open to suggestions. I think there would always be differences, but like anything else in life, I pick the item that has more pro's than con's as far as my expected functionability.
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Oh...I wouldn't think that would happen, I just know if people like a lot of one app, they would stick with it, and make a suggestion of a change. I only mentioned A_C because I have followed him for a while, I am sure the other developer is just as open to suggestions. I think there would always be differences, but like anything else in life, I pick the item that has more pro's than con's as far as my expected functionability.
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that is good to hear, because in the last post in the big thread...people only demand this and that. You must have a strong will then to continue with your own thoughts. It is easy to go with the flow under pressure.
abdelamine said:
DBH's Slide2Unlock use more memory than AC_s2u2 and create a file at 4mb
but DBH's Slide2Unlock is smouther
and i like AC_s2u2 with other option like DBH's Slide2Unlock
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I've been enjoying the s2u2 v 098 for several days now, and I love the screen lock mechanism. However, I believe I am right in saying that neither DBH nor S2u2 has any security built in...ie entry password. Now I know that we could get our phones to activate the password protection...but how cool would it be to have a guitar fret-like slider that enunciates via numerals or NOTES(c,C#,b,G) or BOTH, our passwords AS we use the slider to unlock the screen,thus killing TWO birds with one...er...TUNE!
Rough draft of the slider:
0123456789 abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---Enter
Pswd 24L0
net result:
Play your little Password tune on the slider and UNLOCK the phone at the same time...does any get what I'm saying, or am I being too obtuse?
Chas
can someone post a link of AC S2U2
kpazzo6 said:
can someone post a link of AC S2U2
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Here you go.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=353008
hesynergy said:
I've been enjoying the s2u2 v 098 for several days now, and I love the screen lock mechanism. However, I believe I am right in saying that neither DBH nor S2u2 has any security built in...ie entry password. Now I know that we could get our phones to activate the password protection...but how cool would it be to have a guitar fret-like slider that enunciates via numerals or NOTES(c,C#,b,G) or BOTH, our passwords AS we use the slider to unlock the screen,thus killing TWO birds with one...er...TUNE!
Rough draft of the slider:
0123456789 abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++---Enter
Pswd 24L0
net result:
Play your little Password tune on the slider and UNLOCK the phone at the same time...does any get what I'm saying, or am I being too obtuse?
Chas
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I like the idea! But it's definitely another kind of app. A do-re-mi would also work since it requires less space (just 8 notes would do).
Maybe this has been discussed before but no one tried to develop the idea.
well instead of S2U, i prefer to have a gesture that i choose to unlock the device... so no one can unlock it other than I... if im dont have these programming skills
anyone is able to do it?! it can be a modified version of A_C's S2U2...
karim099 said:
Maybe this has been discussed before but no one tried to develop the idea.
well instead of S2U, i prefer to have a gesture that i choose to unlock the device... so no one can unlock it other than I... if im dont have these programming skills
anyone is able to do it?! it can be a modified version of A_C's S2U2...
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Hahaha! Shouldn't that been called Gesture2Unlock?
johanromijn said:
Hahaha! Shouldn't that been called Gesture2Unlock?
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whatever G2U ...
I like the idea of this
Cool thinkin...
No passworded needed, just a gesture.
Someone needs to copy the Microsoft Origami thingy where you unlock by tapping a certain sequence on a picture of your choice, with more security gained by moving to a smaller grid size.
ell, honestly, if you delete the images from your S2U2 directory, that should accomplish the same thing. You would just have to remember where to slide from. Or use your DPAD.
lawmangrant, i think you're missing a handy side-effect of having G2U: you can still view the today screen. I imagine that you can view the today screen, but not be able to do anything until you gesture. If anyone uses PointUI, it's kinda like the builtin lock. You see the main screen until you tap, upon which the lock screen comes up. It's pretty nice (personally use s2u2 instead) but G2U has potential uses.
It's a good idea, especially if you don't have the instructions right on the screen, it's a good locker to keep people out of your phone.
It should be Gesture2Unlock (or G2U for short) and it was discussed in the Kaiser forum here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=362231&highlight=gesture
A_C, the author or S2U2 was contacted, but he didn't think he could do it, as you can see from the thread...
I still like the idea.
I have a program in mind that does exactly what you want...
hm.. not exactly...
you have to tap to 4 or 5 different points on your touchscreen to unlock your phone...
but I don´t know the name at the moment....
I´ll try to find it....
This is a great idea.......
strange !!! walking down the street today i had this exact thought
may be some day!!!!
This was good, but doesnt work anymore...
http://softava.com/archive/pp/otp_features.html#
interesting. Would be very similair to taking a biometric of a persons signature. presumably tho one wouldn't want the signature to be drawn as you gesture2unlock, but instead "draw" onto an invisible notepad.
its no easy process (have researched biometrics) as the important part if the learning/recognition algorythm which will probably involve some neural network coding (ouch but fun).
What you need is something like this!!!
http://bip.golana.pub.ro/~mmihai/sign/index.html.
I've emailed Mihail about this (the author), pointing him to this post. I will post his reply as soon as it arrives.
Here's my email:
Dear Mihail,
I came across your website whilst looking for clues as to how we might implement a fellow forum contributor’s idea on xda-developers.com (here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=370632&page=2)
His idea was to unlock a pda using a gesture on the touch screen. To my mind that mean signature which lead me to search for some algorithms on the net. Your implementation was particularly interesting as it seems quick to operate, has low memory footprint and could work on a low spec machine (such are many pda’s).
I was wondering if you implemented such a system, or if the algorithm you have developed has been release for others to use, commercially or non-profit.
Your input into the discussion would be highly valuable.
Best wishes
Sean
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ell, honestly, if you delete the images from your S2U2 directory, that should accomplish the same thing. You would just have to remember where to slide from. Or use your DPAD.
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lawmangrant, i think you're missing a handy side-effect of having G2U: you can still view the today screen. I imagine that you can view the today screen, but not be able to do anything until you gesture. If anyone uses PointUI, it's kinda like the builtin lock. You see the main screen until you tap, upon which the lock screen comes up. It's pretty nice (personally use s2u2 instead) but G2U has potential uses.
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I see pluses and minuses to this approach as opposed to using s2u2 with the deleted slide graphics.
If you want true privacy when someone picks up your phone, you wouldn't really want them to see your today screen especially if it contains appointment and tasks info, etc. That's where I think using a modified s2u2 would be better.
If you don't have appointment info on your screen or nothing that is "dynamic" or constantly changing except the clock, then you could skin s2u2 to "match" your today screen and place the clock exactly where it is on your today screen. For example if you have HTC home as your today screen, you can skin s2u2 clock to match the position and font as HTC home and then take a screenshot and modify it to a wallpaper, cutting out the clock par. The tricky part is the missed call and sms counter. S2u2 has the potential to disply that info but to replicate that look of htc home would require major changes, probably requiring A_C's help?
Of course if our devices had the horsepower, we could modify s2u2 to just take the screenshot of the today screen and load it as a wallpaper everytime it starts up, maybe a mortscript, but it would probably would be too slow realistically.
Im glad that u liked the idea... A_C said that he doesnt have the skills to do it.. but im sure he can help...
i don't mind if the appointments info appears on the screen, but i prefer no one can access all other applications... typing a password takes time... especially when activated side by side with S2U2...
Why a signature recognition? How about a gesture system like the one found in firefox plugins:
https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/39
https://addons.mozilla.org/pl/firefox/addon/12
They're based on eight directions - four sideways and four diagonal.
Directions are defined as:
U - up
D - down
L - left
R - right
7 - up/left
9 - up/right
1 - down/left
3 - down/right
So to program a gesture you just need to input the directions of strokes it consists of.
For example URDL would mean drawing a rectangle starting from bottom left, and then going up, right, down, left. You can also describe more complicated gestures that way - R2D1L7U9R would mean drawing a circle starting from its top point and moving right.
In my opinion biometric algorithms don't make much sense, since they would need a styluys to work - try to draw your signature using a finger
Simplified gestures should work with finger as well as stylus, and should still provide more than enough security.
Great minds think alike.
What I wanted was a way to use touch to unlock the device very easily without it being easy to copy. I also wanted data to be safe should the device be reset.
I thought of using the standard S2U and just using a skin which didn't make it clear how to unlock so as to deter casual snoops.
There must be a way to do this! If no-one comes up with something soon then I'll dust off my programming books and give it a try.
the new Ftouch Flo a.k.a FtouchSL has some new gesturing features ( like corners )..maybe this would be useful
Hi guys,
I just got an idea about keyboard for PPC... that will be more finger friendly, PLUS, screen friendly.
Would it be possible to build something like FULL SCREEN keyboard overlay the screen, but still able to see the running software and able to see words is inputting? Just like a transparent keyboard layout on the screen, but doesn't really eat up the screen space. Not sure if I describe well enough. What do you guys think?
I am not a programmer, so I can only hand off my idea and pass the development to any volunteer programmer who has the knowledge and ability to make it.
- andre
Sounds like a great idea
Post your suggestion on the PocketCM.com forum and maybe the keyboard over there could be adapted.
As many of the screens on WM6 are designed for the built-in kb, the dialogue boxes can get cut off if you use an opaque kb.
Thanks. I've done so. I hope to see something like this one day. =)
That is actually a very good idea. I wonder how difficult it would be to do? I know nothing about SIP programming, heh.
Unless I am mistaken, it's impossible to do that as WM6 does not support transparency or graphical layers
Ufufu said:
Unless I am mistaken, it's impossible to do that as WM6 does not support transparency or graphical layers
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How the S2U2 volume is working? It's transparent if you wish
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How the S2U2 volume is working? It's transparent if you wish
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I don't think it is... All programs that appear transparent (and there are many, throttlelock, mortbuttons, s2u2 volume etc etc) just take a screenshot of the background and draw over that. Which means that they just appear to be transparent - if things change beneath, you cannot see them, what you see is the screen like it was when you launched the program.
I hope someone corrects me on that, but I am pretty sure it works like that
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I don't think it is... All programs that appear transparent (and there are many, throttlelock, mortbuttons, s2u2 volume etc etc) just take a screenshot of the background and draw over that. Which means that they just appear to be transparent - if things change beneath, you cannot see them, what you see is the screen like it was when you launched the program.
I hope someone corrects me on that, but I am pretty sure it works like that
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So make it take a screenshot every second or so...?(Dynamo 3 does that, not for transparency but for thumbnails, but it does that)
I don't know if it's doable. It's easy to get the current screen (what WM is currently painting), but not that easy to get a screenshot of a background program, or the desktop. Programs that do that (eg, CapSure) switch to the program you want to take a screenshot of first, so even if you could switch to the program, take a screenie, and get back to where you were in 1 second, the screen would "flicker" all the time.
About Dynamo, I didn't check the latest versions of Dynamo3, but maybe it takes screenshots of the running (front) program? And I don't think it takes screens every second!
Even if I am wrong (very probable), and it's doable, I don't think it would be very practical! For locking programs, this would totally ruin baterry life. For a "transparent" keyboard, 1 per sec would not be enough, and it would probably ruin responsiveness.
Then again, I never tried to play with screenshots and fake transparency for a WM program, so who knows! Maybe! O_O
I've tried to do that for ThrottleLock. My first choice was using the WM_PRINT window message, but it's not supported for windows mobile ... other choice was to send the WM_PAINT message or a refresh and trying to get the DC associated with the window to use BitBlt to copy it to a target Bitmap... Not luck as the window will not be painted while it's not visible... As far as I know it's not possible... If anyone figures out another way to get it please let me know
todaylife can do that all. fully transparent pngs over a changing background.look at my screenshots of my skins, everything is working in background. dont know how dazzlingdazz made it but its true.
In TodayLife, it's the app itself that's painting the background... So it's easy to paint other stuff on top and still show the main screen underneath. Unfortunately not the same thing we want other applications & wm interface to show beneath the transparency.
Android supports multi-layer drawing for applications, let's hope wm7 has it too.
Some 'marshall wait cursors' are transparent. But I don't know anything how they're working.
I had this idea myself about a year ago, but thought that it is impossible to make a transparent sip, because it is not displayed over a program. It's under it. I don't know how to say in English, but I thought the sip reduce the fullscreen-size.
But maybe someone can write a program that is no real sip but transparent over other programs.
I mean like the phone pad, it is no real sip but used as an input method.
Sorry for my bad english, I hope you can guess what I mean.
ReinerK said:
Some 'marshall wait cursors' are transparent. But I don't know anything how they're working.
I had this idea myself about a year ago, but thought that it is impossible to make a transparent sip, because it is not displayed over a program. It's under it. I don't know how to say in English, but I thought the sip reduce the fullscreen-size.
But maybe someone can write a program that is no real sip but transparent over other programs.
I mean like the phone pad, it is no real sip but used as an input method.
Sorry for my bad english, I hope you can guess what I mean.
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Marshall waitcursors work with screenshots too.
The SIP doesn't reduce the screen size, some programs however can detect it and re-draw itself, making it seem like the screen size is reduced - but not all, it doesn't work like that I think
There are already fullscreen keyboards over other programs, that's not the problem, the problem is the transparency
excellent idea.
transparency is supported.
Look at RetroPPC clock. the only thing that I had to do to make my clock transparent, was to use PNG-24 format.
so the clock just revolved on top of the background even when it had to shift for the scroll bars.
in any case, the effect can be achived. what about a flash based keyboard?