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X1 Screen, an advantage or a drawback ?

Dont get me wrong, i love the phone even if i have some issues.
after playing with the X1 for several days now i come to think if the 3inch WVGA screen really is a big advantage or a drawback.
Why?
Well, WVGA is a nice resolution but i think the screen is just a bit too small for it. It would work great on the Touch HD with its huge screen.
See comparision: http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=128435&d=1226196066
When doing stuff in windows there are many situations when buttons etc are so damn small that you would even have trouble to exactly reach them with your stylus, let alone your finger. In Opera you can see alot more of the page with the high res, but you can hardly read anything without zooming, which i think wouldnt have to be done on the Touch HD.
In IE which doesnt support zooming, standard links are so small its hard to even hit them with the stylus.
Then we have the apps and games. Many of the games especially are made for VGA or QVGA and i dont think they will ever be ported to WVGA because the Aspect Ratio would just be wrong. So the games either dont run at all (Another World/Worms) or only use VGA res and leave the rest black (Age of Empires, Emulators) which again results into a very tiny viewport where its hard to read and hit anything.
Furthermore the screen is resessed, which i thought wouldnt bother me much, but cleaning up the dirt from the edges all the time is quite annoying...
So the final question comes to my mind: Is the 3inch WVGA screen really an advantage ? I dont know but i come to think it isnt.
Since my device has a hardware defect and is going back, i wonder if i should get a X1 again or maybe try the Touch Pro which has a slighty lower resoultion and 4:3 aspect ratio.
Given the shape of the device they couldnt have used another display size and resolution i guess, because to use VGA they would have to make the device wider, maybe thats a reason they used it.
What do you think ? Which real benefits does this screen have ?

I like it very much. I can read everything and get some more informations on the screen. For me it's not too small. The software I use works fine with wvga. Just in Worms World Party the edge is cut, but this doesn't bother me, I play very seldom. For Videos it's great, the black bars are now quite small so no wasted screenspace.

I have to say I have no problem reading anything when zoomed out and I don't have problems hitting buttons either. Links can be a bit of an issue in web pages but I would rather have a smaller device to be honest. I have to admit I have small hands and if I had big fingers I may well think otherwise!
The recessed screen is a bit of a shame but I will fit a screen protector and not worry about the dirt!
If I didn't want the keyboard then I would go with a touch HD. I didn't like the diamond at all and haven't had a chance to play with a touch pro yet.

i can also still read text when not zoomed in and hit the buttons...its not that i have bad eyes...
its just that i think the reading experience isnt really great...take for example the standard on screen keyboard, thats so small you even have to concetrate to hit it with the stylus.
On the Touch HD this resolution should work out great while surfing etc, but that doesnt have a keyboard :/
How should a Screen Protector keep the dirt away btw ? It will just be on the screen protector instead...still can go into the edges.
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.

toxical said:
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.
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Just installed and started it, no wvga fix or whatever.

hm will have to try that again then...which version did you use?
the viewport will be VGA however which would certainly be alot smaller than on the Touch Pro for example.

toxical said:
its just that i think the reading experience isnt really great...take for example the standard on screen keyboard, thats so small you even have to concetrate to hit it with the stylus.
How should a Screen Protector keep the dirt away btw ? It will just be on the screen protector instead...still can go into the edges.
How did you get Worms to run ? With WVGA Fix ? Without it doesnt work for me.
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I agree it is small but I have to say I don't mind... If you want to use a keyboard why wouldn't you use the slide out hardware one?
I use a matt protector and it doesn't show dirt as much as the shiny screen.
I was wondering about games, I will give worms a go
TBH I was 50:50 about xperia or Touch HD and decided I wanted to try a hardware keyboard. I am sure the HD is also a great device.

toxical said:
hm will have to try that again then...which version did you use?
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Worms WP 1.0.4

You are a business-user? Than nothing compares with the WVGA even at 3". You get much more things to be read than at VGA. Had a look at AgendaFusion? Much more to see at WVGA at one view. Less scrolling, better overview.
You are working with text/excel? With softmaker office you can see the overview of a complete wide of a page and are able to see details! Much easier than on VGA.
You have banking software as Subsembly Banking? Much more to see at one view too!
Contacts? Much more without scrolling.
There are lots of situations every day giving WVGA an advantage over VGA. 3" WVGA are better for business than 2,8" VGA. And 3,8" often ist too big to carry with yourself.
I am using WVGA for over one year now (with my Toshiba G900) and I would not change back to VGA.
And for daily use I have created my own theme with WisbarAdvancedDesktop2 that fits my needs, is fingerfriendly and running very fast. Nothing more needed

I like the screen size. It's a phone, not a laptop and I'm confident that new panel UIs will solve the problem of tiny buttons all over the place.
But recessing the screen was stupid. Don't know what they were thinking

X1 or touch hd

hello, im new to xda and i need a new phone asap. i cant decide between these 2 phones. i dont need a keyboard but would really like one and i dont need a big screen but it needs to be big enough to watch movies on, do word docs and powerpoints. anyone who has the x1, is the screen small for you? if you had to choose one of these phones and u had the money, which one would you get?

Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out

i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.

catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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Sound like a good plan

do you know if its made of metal or plastic?

This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)

dogans said:
Touch HD: Big screen, accelerometer
Xperia: Hardware keyboard
I have both, and my vote goes to Touch HD. Mostly because of the screen size (big, but not too big. And it's finger friendly!).
The hardware keyboard on X1 is really nice however. So if you type often, go for the X1.
Everyones taste is different, so I recommend going to the closest retail store and check em both out
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The keyboard is good until it gets unresponsive.
catsrule30 said:
i might as well wait for the touch pro 2, only .2 of an inch smaller than the hd but also has a keyboard. also has a tilting screen and it looks like its made of metal.
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dogans said:
Sound like a good plan
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Wait for the Touch Pro2.
gtrab said:
This has been discussed before, but more than a million words, better take a look at the POLL (link on my signature)
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Do other users have a big banner in their signature asking for people to vote for their device?

my vote goes for the X1, better battery, better support (here in Sweden) hardware keyboard (very needed) and flashlight (better camera) I don't watch movies on my phones, but yes it looks good when watching with the Xperia screen, otherwise I use my PSP or my HP TX1020 (12") if I really need to watch movies when on a trip or something
imo the touch hd only have one advantage and it's the screen, I don't see the accelerometer like a "big" thing...

Interesting - HD2 might not be capacitive after all

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=576052

It's unlikely that HTC has completely lied in the specs, and the specs say that the screen is capacitive. However, it is like HTC to stretch the truth.

It is exceedingly unlikely that it's resistive. Resistive screens require pressure to be used - and we already know that the HD2's front is coated in glass. You can't use a resistive screen with hard glass.

As mentioned many times, the specs & hands on reviews say that the screen is capacitive! Soon we shall have the proof...

Noam23 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=576052
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Nonsense
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galaxys said:
As mentioned many times, the specs & hands on reviews say that the screen is capacitive! Soon we shall have the proof...
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Yes, Till the device is not in the market we can't tell many things can change.

Noam23 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=576052
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that thread sounds kinda disappointed if it is true, but I really hope it is exactly the same capacitive type of screen like iPhone and iPod Touch! The reason is, the feel between the two are really different. I personally find that resistive screen has a cheap feeling to me as it has a soft thin layer on top with visible dots, and the gap between the layer can feel very easily. However, true capacitive screen feels like it is entirely glass top, it is very solid and handling the device with the screen is a joy. Just a tiny touch of the screen will have instant response from capacity screen, so, I personally prefer iPhone capacitive screen, and I really hope this is not true!!!!!!!!!!!!

wonsanim said:
Yes, Till the device is not in the market we can't tell many things can change.
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That's right...

From HTC's website: The world’s first capacitive touch technology on a Windows® phone
Works for me.

precsmo said:
I personally find that resistive screen has a cheap feeling to me as it has a soft thin layer on top with visible dots, and the gap between the layer can feel very easily. However, true capacitive screen feels like it is entirely glass top, it is very solid and handling the device with the screen is a joy.
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Then you have never seen true capacitive screens. They have a layer of conductive wires just behind the glass top. On the 40 inch capacitive screen I use, you can clearly see them even at maximum brightness.

I've seen the dots on blackberry storm too, I've got Pre and once i've notice too, but both of the screen made of hard glass and very bright.
They both are capacitive screens.

Gloves
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It's unlikely that HTC has completely lied in the specs, and the specs say that the screen is capacitive. However, it is like HTC to stretch the truth.
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Whatever the screen is, I just need it to be glove-compatible, just like the Omnia, Omnia 2, Blackstone but UNLIKE iPod Touch (which i have), and iPhone. How do you communicate in winter with a full touch screen, and with wm 6.5.1 which might not allow answering with the hard "answer" button? My Omnia 2 is out of order: the antenna is broken(?) anyway i don't have any network reception. When it comes back from servicing in 2-3 weeks, I just sell it and buy a HD2.
forelli

forelli said:
Whatever the screen is, I just need it to be glove-compatible, just like the Omnia, Omnia 2, Blackstone but UNLIKE iPod Touch (which i have), and iPhone. How do you communicate in winter with a full touch screen, and with wm 6.5.1 which might not allow answering with the hard "answer" button? My Omnia 2 is out of order: the antenna is broken(?) anyway i don't have any network reception. When it comes back from servicing in 2-3 weeks, I just sell it and buy a HD2.
forelli
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it's never going to be 'glove compatible' you need to touch the screen with a conductive item..ie your hand, metal stylus etc. a glove will not work

forelli said:
Whatever the screen is, I just need it to be glove-compatible, just like the Omnia, Omnia 2, Blackstone but UNLIKE iPod Touch (which i have), and iPhone. How do you communicate in winter with a full touch screen, and with wm 6.5.1 which might not allow answering with the hard "answer" button? My Omnia 2 is out of order: the antenna is broken(?) anyway i don't have any network reception. When it comes back from servicing in 2-3 weeks, I just sell it and buy a HD2.
forelli
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I started thinking about the same thing today since I live in sweden, and came up with the solution:
use your nose! its gonna look funny as hell, but I aint taking my gloves of when the winter hits hard

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twisted-pixel said:
it's never going to be 'glove compatible' you need to touch the screen with a conductive item..ie your hand, metal stylus etc. a glove will not work
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Thnaks for the answer. what a pity: i think the blackstone with 1 Ghz Snapdragon is the best alternative, or the Omnia 2 and its 800 Mhz cpu with a more comprehensive GUI and a bigger screen...

forelli said:
... blackstone with 1 Ghz Snapdragon is the best alternative...
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It's called the Acer NeoTouch (F1)

TrYde said:
Then you have never seen true capacitive screens. They have a layer of conductive wires just behind the glass top. On the 40 inch capacitive screen I use, you can clearly see them even at maximum brightness.
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even if it is true, but it is 4.3" vs 40", it is way too far to compare and if the 4.3" can ever notice the wires? At least iPhone look like just one whole piece of solid glass touch screen, and that is what I prefer

What are capacitive screens really good for?

First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?

ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics
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I am and it works just fine for me
There are styluses (styli?) available for cap. screens also though.

The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc

ewok666 said:
I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
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Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.

I'd say the biggest downside of capacitive screens is the absence of multitouch capabilities. I have absolutely no problems operating my phone with it's capacitive screen. So to speak, Windows Mobile 6.x.x isn't really optimized for it anyways, as the HD2 was the first phone with capacitive screen on the platform.
If you wanted to work precise with a stylus then maybe you shouldn't have bought an HD2 in the first place.

ewok666 said:
... try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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No offence but I would say that not being able to play/finish crayon physics deluxe with this peace of jewellery is of course not caused by the screen or the phone. I would search the cause somewhere else.....

ewok666 said:
First things first: I generally like my HD2 - It's fast, has a nice display and a lot of other nice features but the touch screen outright sucks and is bordering on useless. Of course the iphone screen isn't much better but it still beats the HD2 screen hands down.
What's all the fuss about capacitive screens? All I can see is a loss in functionality. I hear their more durable but who cares whether the screen lasts 3 years or 10???? It's nowhere near as precise as any other touch screen device I ever owned. I can't use a stylus for drawing small things or playing most games....try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk...or Warfare Incorporated.
I installed a sensitivity fix cab and it's somewhat usable for day to day stuff but still.....the 4.3" screen is nowhere near as usable as the 3" my X1 had and I could operate that with my finger only quite all right.
Seems like there nothing in capacitive screens other than being iphone-like. Why not have a 4.3" resistive screen? What's the actual downside?
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The whole benefit of a capacitive screen for me is that I don't have to use a stylus. If I wanted to use a stylus I would have gone for a different phone.
Why did you buy this phone if you wanted to use a stylus? You can however get one, have you tried that first before falling out with the phone? It could fulfill all your needs and then you'll see how good the HD2 is.

I think that it is a matter of habit and getting used to resistive screens in your case. I havent had a resistive screen ever but i played a quite a lot with some and i must say that capacitive is much more interactive, finger friendly and intuitive than resistive so you might just try not to be so stuborn and give it a chance Everytime i try to do something with my girlfriends' resistive samsung and i keep getting stuck with not knowing how hard should I push the screen exactly ... I am not a fan of the resistive and after all it is called TOUCH screen not a Push screen Enjoy your Hd mate !

You can use fingers on resistive touchscreens. These days even resistive touchscreens can have multitouch.
I think the main advantage of capacitive screen is the glass, as was mentioned. Resistive screen must deform under the touching object, which means it wears down.
For phone, capacitive screen is just ok.
For tablet PCs, I'd like to see combination of capacitive screen with electromagnetic stylus (like tablet has) where you could switch the mode.
Capacitive screen is good for fast controls, but if you draw with stylus, you don't want the screen to react on random touches.
For example iPad has rather thick borders around the screen .. because you have to hold it somehow without actually touching the screen.

ewok666 said:
try playing crayon physics with this absolute piece of junk
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The game is so addictive i completed this morning. Try junking your fingers?
A capacitive screen makes our screen a real touch screen instead of 'tap screen'.

kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
more touch sensetive.
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I don't think so. Resistive is much more sensitive and precise. Pen stroke input used to be the reason PPC stuck to resistive input.
Being an HD2 fan doesn't mean a capacitive fan. Capacitive is the reason that I nearly bought an Omnia II instead of HD2. For me, it is something to hate.
With resistive, I don't mind carrying around a stylus when it means I can do precision work. And I can still use my fingers when I need to.
Now that we have WVGA, I believe now that we can sacrifice screen estate and use huge UIs so that capacitive screen can survive. But that means old applications written for resistive screens (including WM6.1 dialogues) usually have too small UIs for use on HD2.

Alex, That the Capacitive touch is more sensetive is an advantige, with the interface or software you can decrese the sensetivety. On resistive touch screens it is technicaly inposible to get the sensetivety as high as on capacitive.
It is posible to make resistive touch screens multitouch. only that takes a lot of software to calculate positions of pressing.
The techniek is very different between both. therefore you love it or you don't. some get used to it, some don't. It is all personal. There are even people who love the small keyboards. And even my wife loves only the number keys on the normal simple phones since she uses the dictionairy. And I have to say, She is faster writing a sms than me.
So everyone should use whatever they like. Every option has it's advantiges.

johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?

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The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
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Learn before you preach.

johncmolyneux said:
Get ready to be flamed for your attitude. Coming onto a forum for fans of a device and calling it an "absolute piece of junk" is a pretty good way to not make friends!
Anyway, I finished Crayon Physics the other day, and had no problems doing so with my fingers. I suggest that the hardware isn't the problem here. Everyone else seems to manage fine.
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Hahahahahaha!!! John is right. Better be careful what you post on this forum.

I say put your fingers on a strict diet! Enroll them in a exercise regime until you can use your "piece of junk" effectively.

Well, for me the #1 reason for me to get an HD2 IS the capacitive screen.
I've had many many resistive screen devices (1 old pocketpc, 4 HTC phones, 2 touch-enabled UMPCs), and I'm tired of having to use my nail to press on that screen. It's perfectly fine on old-style UIs that rely on clicks only, but for the "new" flick, scroll, tap, pinch, rotate, capacitive is just the way to go.
Still getting mad when I tap my Kaiser's screen with my finger (not the nail) and it thinks I want to scroll, and goes 2 pages down... only works fine with something sharp, whatever the settings/tweaks.

capacitive is a reason to buy for me: it is what made the HD2 stand out for me. I will never go back to resistive technology.
I must say though that in my opinion the iPhone display is of a superior quality, not in terms of pixel count, but certainly in terms of its accuracy, sensitivity and reliability. it is simply a lot easier to tap out words on the iPhone than on the HD2. It also responds better to cold (if I go out in the winter breeze I sometimes find my HD2 starts pressing keys and moving the screen about of its own accord).

ewok666 said:
I should have been more specific: The junk I'm referring to is the screen and NOT the device. Like I said, I like the device but IMHO all the 'advantages' of capacitive don't make up for its downsides.
Just to address some of the comments:
Resistive screens CAN be touch operated without a stylus
They do NOT break down all the time
AFAIK they CAN support multitouch
Maybe it's just the crappy implementation of capacitive that HTC has done. The Iphone screen does not seem to suffer from all the issues the HD2 has:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=595655
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=604831
The stylus for capacitive screens is a joke. Come on, do they have to be that fat and ugly? Is there really no way to have a small, pointy, conductive stylus?
Are capacitive screen really a requirement for WM7?
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try walkin down the street while tryin to send an sms using the stylus on a resistive screen...u'll be sooo glad ur hd2 is capacitive...

kruithofm said:
The advantige of capacitive touch screens:
Glass can be used. Less vulnerable.
multi touch can be implemented.
more touch sensetive.
The advantige of resistive touch screens:
more accurate without software.
simple styles can be used.
cheap.
greatings,
marc
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this should have been end of thread.

Multitouch: HD2 vs. Nexus One

Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware

bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
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I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...

yes but the nexus seems much worse

bobdude5 said:
yes but the nexus seems much worse
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Yes, i agree. There wasn't any axis flipping, and i don't believe those tests were just "lucky" to not have flipping. Are they actually the SAME touchscreen? Could this be a possible fix of some sort? I don't have my nexus yet, (I do have a G1 so i know how the touch screen reacts) but i do want better multi touch when it comes,if possible

bobdude5 said:
Doesnt the HD2 have the same clearpad 2000 touch screen as our nexus ones? If so then how come its touch screen's mulitouch out performs the Nexus Ones?
HD2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hgrsq2-Vy7Q&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXNY6ssujo&feature=related
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzhUzq6bTPg&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds5qZ_3XRzI
I really hope that they both have the same touch screens because if they do..that means our touch screen problem is fixable software not permanent hardware
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ive played with multitouch on the hd2 and it does not feel as fluid as the nexus one. and i never notice any weird crap happen while multiyouching in apps, so these videos are worthless. seems like a software issue to me more than anything

JHaste said:
clearly you do not know what problems our touch screen really has...
watch those videos again... notice how there is a jump when the points cross axes... your nexus does this too...
the calibration touch issue is just something to do with either the screen or simply poor coding of the recalibration when the phone gets rotated... the real issue is still shown in those videos and that is when fingers make a motion and "cross axes" and the points "jump" to be in line with each other because the touch screen recognizes inputs based on x and y inputs....
I have come to just accept the reality... the touch screens on our phones blow, plain and simple... I only hope that they put out a version of the 3000 that I can install myself down the road because not being able to play alot of games that require multi-touch and axis crossing with accuracy is a huge let down for me and this phone...
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thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...

Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.

JHaste said:
thank you for agreeing lol... sadly this is the reality... everyone should really just accept it...
if you refute and want to think differently, watch the videos again and there is a very decisive JUMP of the 2 touch points when they either get close to lining up in either the x or y coordinate or if they simply get too close together... the switching to the inverse is a whole other story prolly having to do with the screen not being able to register the movement fast enough and accurately so it guesses the motion and again fails miserably...
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Yeah, I use to call BS then I accepted the fact that we have a old touchscreen, thanks HTC. Beats the X10 thought, that thing fails hard, not even pinch to zoom hardware support lol!

z3ntn3l said:
Uhm... You know, its not Multitouch.
Lets call it Dual-Touch
"Pinch-to-Zoom" is way more fluid/smooth on the Nexus One.
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i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom

JHaste said:
i am not even pleased with pinch to zoom to be honest... i hate to say it but the iphone has way more fluid pinch-zoom
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Double tap is way better for zooming into specific areas of a page instantly. Plus it resizes contents perfectly.