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Hi all
Don't know how many of you guys are ipaq transferees like myself, but there is one piece of software on the ipaq that has not been adopted in the XDA series handhelds, namely REVO - the remote control tool.
Anybody into gadgets in the way that we are will have too many remote controls lying about. This tool allowed me to put them on a shelf, and use them very rarely.
So.....
Does anybody have a clue how to extract it from the ipaq ready to be placed on the XDA II. NAturally, owning both devices, one would assume that providing I use it with either one or the other, you can provide this useful information conscience clear!!!!
Look forward to any thoughts
JJ
jjcodex said:
Does anybody have a clue how to extract it from the ipaq ready to be placed on the XDA II.
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Unfortunately, the Himalaya infrared hardware is not capable of communicating with customer devices like TV sets. There is nothing any software could do about this - only some hardware change can help.
Cheers
Daniel
Also some Ipaq's Irda are just very powerfull made..have a range of 10-15 meters.
Normally pda Irda's have a range of 2-3 meters.
not sure why the ir would be 100% incompatible with the tv
if special software written for it was used
about the range issue
http://www.smarthome.com/8220A.html
http://www.homeautomationnet.com/Shopping/remote-control-accessories.asp
http://www.pdawin.com/irtranceiver.html
suppose one of these would inc the range
i had
http://www.pdawin.com/
this software running on my xda1
too bad the range was only 30cm
Thanks for the feedback guys.
I am surprised that the range is so different between devices. I understood that the infra red transmit distance was usually further than the receive. Would this be applicable to the XDA II I wonder. I will run some experiments with a phone to see if I can assess distances.
Had a look at the PDA Win software, looks quite functional, perhaps not as slick as the built ipaq version. 30cm range... doh!
They seem to have specifically excluded the XDA II. I wonder if this is a range issue as you guys have suggested.
Hmmm......
Sounds like an excuse to spend money on a very very very posh do-all remote control!!!!!!!!! (LOL)
Thanks for your thoughts anyway.
Cheers guys
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not sure why the ir would be 100% incompatible with the tv if special software written for it was used
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Well, TVs use "consumer" infrared, while PDAs use "IrDA". See here for a more detailed explanation. It has nothing to do with the power or the range of the IR LEDs and phototransistors.
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Daniel
Well, TVs use "consumer" infrared, while PDAs use "IrDA". See here for a more detailed explanation. It has nothing to do with the power or the range of the IR LEDs and phototransistors.
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and yet i had pdawinøs software working ok on my xda1
and also used it to comm with my laptop so some infrared classify as
both IrDA and consumer
if the range is ok then the only difference i can think of is protocol and that should be possible to work out so that software would work on the xda2
i also had my trusting old hp48 calc working as a remote at a time
prob still have the software somewhere
Well, TVs use "consumer" infrared, while PDAs use "IrDA". See here for a more detailed explanation. It has nothing to do with the power or the range of the IR LEDs and phototransistors.
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I would have to side with Rudegar on this one, as I have not only used the Ipaq for several consumer devices but the extremely fundamental Palm III (aahhhh those were the days, when a calculator was considered to be a posh option.
I would say, however, that neither successfully worked with a sky remote, which I wonder may be due to two-way data transfer. I wonder if this is the IrDA vs Consumer difference.
I read the link to the Irda page, which as you suggest states that the two are different. I would agree that the two standards are different, but unless built-in hardware compatability is provided to the majority of pda's, there must be a way of emulating the consumer device within the IrDa protocols.
Hmmm... A little out of my depth on this one. Hopefully somebody else can explain!!
Cheers
JJ
The xda 1 I have works fine as a remote control for my tv and dvd etc, I use "learning2 mode to program the xda using the original remote handset. The xda 2 however is total crap as a remote, however if you wish to use it from one position, for instance the couch in your living room, there is a device called an infra red repeater, this allows you to operate an infra red device from a greater distance, I will see if I can find a name for manufacturer but I am sure this device exists, its selling point was enabling you to operate your cable/sattelite box from upstairs even when you had no line of sight to the box. It was a money saver because you could connect your cable/satellite to your upstairs tv instead of having to purchase a second box from the provider and be able to change channels from upstairs.
Guys,
I wouldlike to get inside the discusion because I have almost the same problem and I would like some help.
I also found the hard way that the XDA II does not work as a remote control, then I found this Total Remote software and module that really got myself impressed, I bought it and also the adaptor for the audio output.
Now I am able to output the signals without problem, the software works very fine and control the eletronic equipments without any problem.
But then I got to test the learning mode and then my problems started. The XDA II canot learn nothing! It wont recognize any kind of command that comes from any remote controler. To make sure it was not a problem of the software I tested to more diferent remote controler softwares and they also does not learn. What really make me disapointed is that even touching the controler IR led with the XDAII IRda port, the XDA II can´t learn anything.
I already tried to disable the "receive all incoming beans" and do a soft reset, but this also does not worked.
I am writing this in the hope I am forgetting something and one of you give me any more idea.
OR
To also ask for the more experts, if it is possible to substitute the IRda port with a common IR led found on any remote controler (of course doing some soldering). If there is compactibility between them, I think I will give it a go, since I really whant a remote control on my XDA II.
Thanks a lot
Felipe
thats what i've been saying all along
the xda2's ir modules is not the default ir module which all the remote software is written for
the remote applications would have to be written directly for the modules ir in the xda2 for it to work
i've come across no such applications as of yet
can this be done?
my magician detect the intelli mouse, but can do nothing with it...
cant also use the "stowaway think outside mouse" drivers since they detect only the Stowaway mouse... also couldnt use the IFrog Bluetooth keyboard drivers, even though they support HID detection...
can someone know how to connect between these two?
any news on that... i´m trying to use intellimouse explorer, too... no luck...
someone out there to patch the Thinkoutside drivers ?
I saw somebody saying that the widdcom BT stack supported the mouse...
I dont know if its true, but to find out id have to intstall a new OS (im on 2005) and hack around with BT stacks...
Id rather just hear from somebody running the 2.02/2.06 sin merged rom with the widdcom stack to see if it works. But i guess there isnt anybody with that combination and a BT mouse too.
Magician only...
i ment it to work on the magician.
do you have a magician?
I have a german magician,
neither ms bt mous nor ms bt keyb works!
maybe we should state out that bluetooth firstly only specifies the way how information is being transferred: via radio in a certain frequency - nothing else!
It does NOT determine the way how the transferred information is being interpreted. Lets say when you connect your monitor to the vga connector it is already clear what signals are transferred and how they are read out to compose the picture on the screen.
In other cases (e.g. tracking the mouse movements) we must specify before any exchange of data how is will be interpreted. This is done in so called protocols also known as 'profiles' when you speak of protocols in connection with bluetooth devices.
This means that a bt mouse will be detected (this is standardized) but your device will not know how to interpret the data which is being sent from your mouse unless it supports the matching profile (should be 'HID' - Human Interface Device protocol in this case).
The hardware support of the bt hardware itself plus the additional profiles is called a 'stack'. On Magician you will find the original Microsoft BT stack which lacks of many profiles. It has turned out that other stacks like the one from Toshiba or Widcomm also work (more or less) on Magician. Maybe these ones support your hardware. Let me advise you that there are still many issues with alien stacks so dont install these unless your absolutely sure what youre doing!
Hope that i could make things a little bit clearer for you.
regards,
Quappo
Great!
Could we pin this post within the board so it stays on top or - maybe the better solution - could we publish it in the wiki? I guess that's the best newbie explanation of bluetooth I ever read... 8)
Great post, quapo! 8)
Still no HID driver for PPC
Great Answer!!!! ;-)
OK, i knew all that.
still no answer...:-(
Hi,
For my robotics project at uni I want to control my robot using my PDA (magician) by doing all the processing on the PDA and sending signals via IR to the IR Input of the robot's handyboard.
I want to use c#.net to develop the program that can do this.
The handyboard's IR input takes Sony-format IR protocol signals
My question is that I've only found IRDA information for programming for the pocket pc not sending specific IR signals, I'm not sure though I haven't looked extremely hard, but obviously it can be done as there are remote control software around...
Thanks
Phi
Hi Phi!
The reason you could not find any info on sending general IR signal with a PDA is because most PDA only support the IRDA format and not custom protocols used by remote controls like SONY's protocol.
There is however a way to trick the IRDA port in to sending a signal similar enough to that of a remote control. I succeeded controlling my sony TV and VCR using my iPAQ 1710.
The problem is that due to the low strength of the signal I only got the distance of 1.5 meters tops (not very good for remote control app).
You should look for information on how to write remote control programs for Pocket PC's for more information. I will post the links I used when I get home.
If you want I can send you the code I wrote, but it’s in C++ not C#!
Hope this helps! :wink:
Using PDA as IR remote controll
Ok, here is what you have to do:
1. Open the IR as a regular serial port (on my iPaq its COM2 but you should check HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Comm\IrDA for your device).
2. Set the port to 115200bs 7bit NO PARITY 1 stop bit.
3. Send the byte 0x5b for as log as you need the ‘ON’ signal.
For this you need to know the exact format of the command you want to send.
This page contains a full and detailed description of the process:
http://www.veg.nildram.co.uk/remote.htm
Here are some more links I used in my research:
http://www.epanorama.net/links/irremote.html
http://scv.bu.edu/GC/shammi/ir/
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=slv1-wave&p=Sending+Remote+Control+Signals+with+IRDA
I still have to remind you that most PDA IR ports are designed for close range data transfer and there for emit a very weak signal so you will have to point it carefully at the sensor.
Still, controlling a robot with your PDA sounds like a cool idea, let me know how it turns out.
Good luck!
Try this for some pointers:
An article describing how to use the IR port on a pocket PC to control a TV.
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http://www.codeproject.com/ce/tvremote.asp
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Hey everyone! After searching on the forums and other sites for a long time i have came to a holt!
I'm looking for a IR remote control program for my T-Mobile MDA USA WM5 (WIZA200), and I have tried alot of programs... Lets see, so far no luck at all, most of the programs I downloaded install fine and I can run them but no IR ANYTHING! They can't seem to send or 'Learn' any of the IR signals.... So it makes me really frustrated, and I am wanting a program to control my home intertainment center..
If anyone could help with maybe supplying me with a download link or maybe one of the programs that have been 'modded' to run with theWizard then that would be awesome!
Thanks in advance, hope to hear a reply!
i dont think the hardware on the fone is capable to support the function you want....but im not 100% sure
hmm, can anybody confirm this, the wizard does have a IR port, and most of the programs installed and runned fine(other then it couldn't send or receive IR....)
Hi, I just remeber when I was reading some reviews about the wizard that a review had confirmed that:
The reviewer said that he could use the kjam as a remote controller for his TV and DVD player from almost any distance within his room.
I was happy, but I have some doubt with regard to (any distance), since I think that IR range is not enough to send for a 4 meters distance!
I really dont remember where I have read this but I am sure that I have read it, so I think that the wizard is capable of using IR as a remote control, but there is somehow a lack of software support for this issue.
good luck all
Hi, just a corrrection, may be I have mixed things up.
I searched for the topic on the internet and I found that it was talking about JASJAR, here what was exactly written:
"Originally Posted by Tekflow at http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=30449
This is one good surprise. I have been using Pocket PC Phones since the first O2 XDA, then XDA II, then i-mate PDA2, and none was really compatible with any TV remote control software (unless you sit at a distance of 1 meter from your TV!). But now everything changed with the Jasjar. The IRDA is so powerful: I am using it as a TV/DVD/VCR... remote control nearly from any distance (even with small obstacles between the TV and the Jasjar). I tried NoviiRemote and Total Remote: they both worked perfectly.
Good news!"
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the link is: http://forum2.mobile-review.com//archive/index.php/t-35506.html
but do you think that the IrDA port of the kjam is very different from JASJAR's?? I really need to know! tell us guys!!
As far as I know Novii is currently looking at the specifications of TI chip so that they could customise their famous Novii TV Remote to work with Wizard.
PPB
So I desided to write a little dilly about what remote programs don't work for the MDA! ( AKA: WIZA200 )!!
So it starts here!
#1 Vito Remote - Will not reconize the IR port! ( What a supprise! lol )
#2 Novii Remote - Don't even start with this one, nice interface though!
#3 Windows remote II ( I think...)
Feel free to add to this list! And if you find a IR remote program for the MDA then please fill us in!
Right now i'm testing Total Remote, but don't get your hopes up, it seems to lock-up when trying to train, but I'm not giving up yet because I might have some settings wrong!
BTW Bust I can't wait for Novii to get that done!
I only have a wallaby, but the hardware is just about the same, as far as the IR is concerned.
I'm not familiar enough with the newer devices, but I do know that the ir components in the wallaby/BA, and many other pda devices from that time period, are capable of being used as remotes, with the only real drawback being transmit distance (the hardware is not the same as a real remote controller).
I use pdawin's tv remote 5.5, and it works about 8 feet or so (about 3 meters). it learns and what not.....
another post I have read says that netremote from proximus also works..... good luck
i'm not sure about the jasjar, but keep in mind that consumer ir is what has a much longer distance
my clie worked really far away
i tried the jam's ir and it was 2 meters ish
haven't tried the wizard's ir for remote though
Hmm, see the thing with the Wizard is that I can't find a program that will reconize the IR port, it's not a distance problem.... So if anyone knows of a remote program for the Wizard, then that would be awesome!
don't bother
It's not worth your time. Both the jasjar and the wizard have FIR or Fast infared which means it will only transmit about 2.5 feet (if your lucky)away from the reciever. You need to find devices that use CIR or commercial infared. I'm pretty sure they don't make one in a minisd format so you will have to play the waiting game. Another way aroung this is to get a remote repeater and have your infred port right next ot it but that sucks also
It's not worth your time. Both the jasjar and the wizard have FIR or Fast infared which means it will only transmit about 2.5 feet (if your lucky)away from the reciever.
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It seems that JASJAR users are more lucky than u think, they got their remote control functioning from 'nearly any distance'
See my upper post and good luck
novii remote works fine
see this threwad for a similar discussion:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=43678&highlight=
just installed the novi 4.0 beta trial version and it works with my wiza200.
distance varies:
TV aprox. 3m
DVD (is on floor): 1.5 m
but TV is fine for me since the original remote broke into pieces and is just hold together with tesa.
(I moved this out of the widcomm bt stack post)
How hard would it be, to write a semi-universal application for the WinCE environment, to simply emulate a router? I know a little C/C++, but nothing else. I say bypass this BT garbage.
What you would need hardware wise IMO,
Have GRPS/EDGE or some other true 3G data connection... and 802.11b or g, with a chipset that can go into AP mode (which I think I read that the wizard's chip technically can, and same with the H6315 25 45 models).
Then enough ram and CPU left over to do basic routing and DHCP to any clients around you. Viola, handheld, portable router all in one! It would sell like hotcakes, especially for some of our companies events (outdoor sports promotions). It would also make it very universal, at least to clients, if not a couple PPC servers with the right hardware.
I really really hate bluetooth. The ONLY bt devices that have not given me much grief, is an old Jabra Bt200 headset, and an altina USB GPS mouse (with iguidance mapping software). I have had 3 sets/brands of A2DP headsets, another USB mouse that never worked right, numerous dongles to numerous PC builds to share different things... all worked not at all or mediocrely at best. I have also owned an Axim X50, and and X5 (with CF bluetooth).
There is no standard interface, or guarantee with bt, it's just mostly bad luck and voodoo out of the box, and the company hoping you will forget to return their "best effort" product. I don't blame them. I blame widcomm, broadcom, and MS, for their stupid BT stacks, with separate capabilities, millions of version/build numbers, license issues, and general apathy for creating a solid standard product. In a way, MS tries to do this... by cutting out 90% of BT proported features it seems LOL!. If I wanted diversity (aka headaches) in something computer related, It would not be BT, it would be Linux, which somehow works most of the time, and if not, you can make it work... because it's OPEN. Dumb dll's.
This is worse than IRQ conflicts with ISA cards back in the early 90's. Then plug and pray came to save us... and it took like 6 years! How long has BT been out?
Werner, I've read about your PPC proxy thing, but I would like to use more than just HTTP proxy, I need to be able to orb, and try other things.
Thanks for the info new2city! (from old post)
So who remembers this? (I'm showing my age huh lol)
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This sounds like a very interesting idea. You may not even need a 802.11x chip that can do AP mode. As long as it can do ad-hoc, you should be able to do something simmlar to ICS in desktop windows.
Great news! Hope you do manage to do it!
I'm thinking it would be pretty hard to do or else someone would have done it already.
I had the same idea myself a while ago but as I have no PPC programming experiance I just let it go.