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New FTouchSL 2.7 available!

I am happy to announce that that new FTouchSL 2.7 available for download now!
This version brings a lot of new functionality together with improved reliability and broken limitations of previous versions.
New features are:
* New gestures recognition engine introduced together with four additional gestures: Down-Left Slide, Down-Right Slide, Up-Left Slide and Up-Right Slide.
* Visual and sound notifications confirming assigned actions execution
* Settings export and import functionality
* Additional kinetic-scrolling parameters
* "Tasks switcher" plug-in added.
Improvements:
* Scrolling and kinetic-scrolling engines improved to scroll smoother in slow applications
* FTouchSL is now compatible with the Transcriber and Windows™ internal calibration utility
* Better VGA devices support (especially ETen devices)
Other changes:
* Fixed German and Russian translations
* Old gestures renamed:
o "UpDown" to "Down Slide"
o "DownUp" to "Up Slide"
o "LeftRight" to "Right Slide"
o "RightLeft" to "Left Slide"
In addition in this version we have fixed most of known bugs.
More details about new features can be found on the Product information page.
Registered customers can upgrade to this version free of charge:
- Download new version from Download page and install it.
- Request new license key in the Client area.

Small, fast, light, and best of all - all the feature improvements will make it all the better. Not to complain, so I won't!

Great work!!

i dont mean to nag, but this is technically advertising, as this is not freeware.
I know we do tend to tolerate more from senior members (selling old devices especially)

I have looked a couple of times but what do the program parameters have to do with anything? I can set up other stuff fine but jsut wanted to know what it was and how to use it. Thanks

fzzyrn said:
i dont mean to nag, but this is technically advertising, as this is not freeware.
I know we do tend to tolerate more from senior members (selling old devices especially)
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It may be an advertisement, but how long did the original free version sit on this forum, in fact it's still available. If you ask me, efrost has done excellent work here and if he wants to update us on newer versions, then I'm sure numerous people would be more than okay with it.

efrost said:
I am happy to announce that that new FTouchSL 2.7 available for download now!
This version brings a lot of new functionality together with improved reliability and broken limitations of previous versions.
New features are:
* New gestures recognition engine introduced together with four additional gestures: Down-Left Slide, Down-Right Slide, Up-Left Slide and Up-Right Slide.
* Visual and sound notifications confirming assigned actions execution
* Settings export and import functionality
* Additional kinetic-scrolling parameters
* "Tasks switcher" plug-in added.
Improvements:
* Scrolling and kinetic-scrolling engines improved to scroll smoother in slow applications
* FTouchSL is now compatible with the Transcriber and Windows™ internal calibration utility
* Better VGA devices support (especially ETen devices)
Other changes:
* Fixed German and Russian translations
* Old gestures renamed:
o "UpDown" to "Down Slide"
o "DownUp" to "Up Slide"
o "LeftRight" to "Right Slide"
o "RightLeft" to "Left Slide"
In addition in this version we have fixed most of known bugs.
More details about new features can be found on the Product information page.
Registered customers can upgrade to this version free of charge:
- Download new version from Download page and install it.
- Request new license key in the Client area.
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Hey did you get the up-right and down-left from somewhere - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382375 j/k looks nice i think i might just have to buy it after all

TheChampJT said:
It may be an advertisement, but how long did the original free version sit on this forum, in fact it's still available. If you ask me, efrost has done excellent work here and if he wants to update us on newer versions, then I'm sure numerous people would be more than okay with it.
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i agree cause after all this fourm is about sharing ideas or products

I love it! Thanks!

Its okay if efrost advertise his application because he has made the free version already for us..the previous version..and I really appreciated it..anyway without advertising this site will be boring since you won't find out about new products and applications..just my 2 cent

theme freak said:
Its okay if efrost advertise his application because he has made the free version already for us..the previous version..and I really appreciated it..anyway without advertising this site will be boring since you won't find out about new products and applications..just my 2 cent
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perhaps he or you could share that (N-0.1 version : N=2.7)free version too ,rather than warez killing babies people are providing source code for icontact already in other thread,it depends which way one wants to go. it also depends with what motive do developers reach to xda-developers website ,in history i have seen tcpmp player 0.71 RC1 source and player were provided which is still being used by most of us which streamlined and became core player 1 later which least of us use ,it is now lying some tiny extinct corner of the hard drive. unlike tcpmp 0.81 which is still playing lyrics youtube flash videos and aac and will go on and on. choice is yours because you have a better vision of your software .

efrost gave me lifetime registration as a result of donating and supporting his early ftouchflo verion. This is totally in the right spirit and I'm very excited to see the new version and its features!
About the new gestures, would you be able to add Left-Down and Right-Down in the next update? It's easier and less tiring than Up-Right and Up-Left - more natural because it falls with gravity.
With these added you could use the two as excellent gesture pairs. If there's a PPC program that can restore last-minimised application (is there??), you could use Right-Down to minimise, then Up-Left to bring it up again!

frenchglen said:
efrost gave me lifetime registration as a result of donating and supporting his early ftouchflo verion. This is totally in the right spirit and I'm very excited to see the new version and its features!
About the new gestures, would you be able to add Left-Down and Right-Down in the next update? It's easier and less tiring than Up-Right and Up-Left - more natural because it falls with gravity.
With these added you could use the two as excellent gesture pairs. If there's a PPC program that can restore last-minimised application (is there??), you could use Right-Down to minimise, then Up-Left to bring it up again!
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If you use QuickMenu, you can create a shortcut through the options, to "activate next" or "activate prev", it will create the shortcuts in your programs directory.

Looks like this version fixes bug that my touchscreen freezes after suspend. Good work, because I had this bug in ftouchflo, touchcommander and even in spb pocket plus!
Good work, I'll probably buy it

TheChampJT said:
If you use QuickMenu, you can create a shortcut through the options, to "activate next" or "activate prev", it will create the shortcuts in your programs directory.
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I most certainly do use Quickmenu, sounds great! However I can only see "activate next"...I go down to bottom of list using my D-pad, right down to "Option" but can't find "Activate previous".
I use version 2.7.387.1527.

I tried for a day the new 2.7 version and for 3 times until now suddently the touch screen doesn't work at all. I can recalibrate the screen and this works fine but after calibration the touch screen again doesn't respond at all, only keys works. This solved only after soft reset. I tested to eten glofiish X600.

bull**** man...
first create a product and get FREE testing from the community then improve it and sell it. GOOSSH, you forget where you came from.
Would be more fair to create a free version and a non-free(if at all) version.

joefso said:
bull**** man...
first create a product and get FREE testing from the community then improve it and sell it. GOOSSH, you forget where you came from.
Would be more fair to create a free version and a non-free(if at all) version.
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I don't think this is kinda fair.. efrost create a freeware which most of us benefit from it greatly.
He then take it further and developed a much more advanced piece of application where one now needs to pay. I don't understand why can't he do that?
For those who wants the freeware, it's still available around here. For those who don't mind paying for a greater featured piece of application, he/she can do so too.
So, what's wrong with his actions? It's not like he took away the freeware where people contributed their input to. Not to mention that he improved on that to a certain extent based on the feedback. I don't think he did it to get free testing.. I think he saw the potential to convert the freeware to a more advance piece of application which he can earn some cash, which I believe will enable him to further develop the software or other piece of softwares, which in turn will benefit the WM community.
Sian

Sian said:
I don't think this is kinda fair.. efrost create a freeware which most of us benefit from it greatly.
He then take it further and developed a much more advanced piece of application where one now needs to pay. I don't understand why can't he do that?
For those who wants the freeware, it's still available around here. For those who don't mind paying for a greater featured piece of application, he/she can do so too.
So, what's wrong with his actions? It's not like he took away the freeware where people contributed their input to. Not to mention that he improved on that to a certain extent based on the feedback. I don't think he did it to get free testing.. I think he saw the potential to convert the freeware to a more advance piece of application which he can earn some cash, which I believe will enable him to further develop the software or other piece of softwares, which in turn will benefit the WM community.
Sian
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Bug fixes? What is software that is unmainted? dead.

joefso said:
Would be more fair to create a free version and a non-free(if at all) version.
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Free = scrolling only
Non-free = gestures and corners
What's the problem?

Finger-friendly Homepage!

I'm working on a new concept for a homepage for all touch devices.
I know it's not the greatest idea of all, but I really think it's good enough to have some value.
I wont release all details as I have a decent amount planned, but here goes...
http://neotelos.com/mobile/
Works great in opera beta and firefox, PIE is very underdeveloped and I've had issues...so no support at the moment, but may come in the future.
So far it's only a preview of what is to come, I'd like to know what you guys think so far.
I've even seen alot of touch PCs and Tablets emerging, and hope to aim towards that audience too!

Got it working with keys now
I can't wait to get this done...I'm also making this so I have something nice for even my own homepage.

nice idea...
what do you intend to put in there ?

I confess - I don't see the point in this, you're using an onhover effect wich won't be activated in a mobile - because theres no such thing as on hover on a touchscreen.
Sorry, I may be being ignorant.

interesting, the page is working on opera. in qvga mode, the font is oversize.

Napbree said:
I confess - I don't see the point in this, you're using an onhover effect wich won't be activated in a mobile - because theres no such thing as on hover on a touchscreen.
Sorry, I may be being ignorant.
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im no mobile web developer (although I've done my fair share of sites), but isn't the onhover property applied when the user taps the link? at least I think that's what is does in the iphone

Yes, is true.
The only issues that I haven't found a way to overcome:
1) Override context menu
2) Capture drag action
I plan on making a user-customizable CMS (Content Management System) and hope to just keep adding features over time.
My first goal is to allow users to setup accounts which they can customize links and content to their liking.
Like I said, it's nothing major, just something that might come in handy as there aren't many good web portals designed for mobile.
Edit:
Oh, yeah, it doesn't use hover, it actually grabs when the mouse moves and calculates actions...for a number of reasons I chose this method, may not be the most oiptimal but I find it to be more compatable.
When a user taps the screen, or even ends a drag, when the pressure is lifted mouse movement is activated. Not to mention it works with arrow keys and overrides the scrolling, so it can be used with devices w/o touchscreens.

Neotelos_com said:
Yes, is true.
The only issues that I haven't found a way to overcome:
1) Override context menu
2) Capture drag action
I plan on making a user-customizable CMS (Content Management System) and hope to just keep adding features over time.
My first goal is to allow users to setup accounts which they can customize links and content to their liking.
Like I said, it's nothing major, just something that might come in handy as there aren't many good web portals designed for mobile.
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I think having the whole login account would be overkill, unless the user does not delete his or her cookies after each session

Neotelos, this is a very cool idea, but why don't you team up with whoever made Touch-innovation.com and develope it with him? he created it not a long while ago and it would be much more productive if you guys did that together instead of creating a whole new one (just a thought )

nir36: Not too bad of an idea, I've his site before and it's a nice start. Just that this is a web design geared for mobile devices, not resources for them. Maybe I'll shoot him a message and see if he wants to form an affiliation, who knows.
mbarvian: There's a few ideas I have, one would be just to use a simple URL for a basic start page, with configuration password protected. ex: somewebsite.com/somehomepage.php?user=myusername

nir36 said:
Neotelos, this is a very cool idea, but why don't you team up with whoever made Touch-innovation.com and develope it with him? he created it not a long while ago and it would be much more productive if you guys did that together instead of creating a whole new one (just a thought )
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I tried contacting Nathan over there, but even though he remains active, I have yet to receive a response.
I don't see that his site is the busiest and if he can't even respond to messages as a courtesey, i don't think i'll be working with him. thanks for the advice though.

[X] WApps - A windows mobile "appstore"

I got the idea to make a application finder software for Windows Mobile. Specially designed to HTC Diamond, with many G-apps & games and other nice apps. It's under development now, and i will release one screenshot for you.
This app will not be just an styled IE-frame, like many "appstore" like apps that have been released before.
19. October 2008:
New Screenshot of the start screen.
Development stopped, becouse of the Gecko project.

I think this is a phenominal idea. The idea that went around recently was an internet based solution through ie explorer and it just was not device friendly. To have a device based solution is much more sensable. If you could create a server that developers could upload their most recent programs too that would be the best.
Maybe contact the system admin on this site and see if he will give your program to access the sites FTP server or something. Then a user could use your device based program that would seemlessly connect to the interenet in the back ground, poll the server for software, sort it and place it into a thumb friendly interface on the phone by which it could be sorted into categories of games, utilities, themes, programs etc etc....
Of course the admin would have to create those categories on the site's side and the developers would need to upload their program to the correct one but I think everyone has been in such a need for this that they would be willing to do it without much arm twisting.
Or, you could create device user interface that interacts with Orb.com... But then you would have to get the updates of programs and upload them to ORB for your program to work. But ORB does already have a sorting feature that your user controls on the device could be made to access for sorting etc. It even has a video section that a user could download tutorials of different programs that someone took time to make.
All just ideas. Some you may find good or not. I am excited to see a device based program though. It make user intereaction easier.
Curious G.

yes
Its a good idea, keep working on it

seems to be a nice idea

I like the idea but this really depends on what will be offered / how updated the actual site behind the store application is. Have you had any thoughts on that yet?

i second that.
at this time i browse via opera tho xda to download stuff... but having a app that simplifies things would be even better...
maybe all the downloads here could be managed and put upto "youre" server in an automated way..

I remember seeing this article a few weeks ago about Microsoft creating their own app store.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/n.../job-advert-reveals-microsoft-skymarket.phtml
Either way, it's certainly a good idea!!

I forward the notion. An app that has all the apps at hand for easy download by category would kick some serious asss..
If I can help in any way let me know.
Greetings to all.

Love this development. Maybe this progress will open up eyes on new skilful programmers and we will see an increase of good looking apps and games. Not that I don't just love the things going on here at xda. But the more the merrier, right? The only complaint that I might have on this forum is the all the threads with wallpapers and especially the ones with half-naked women...But that's me...
So an app store (or two) is going to make it easier for us to sort out what we are interested in and only that.

If needed count me in I can help develop..

Great idea.
In the spirit of AppToDate, which I found worked very very well. But with YouTube-app like interface, all connected to database were latest apps can get installed.
Great idea!

I'm working to figure out how to connect to MySQL from a windows mobile based device, does anyone here know?

double post****

i think if these two threads could be incorporated
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=428480
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=433913
that would be a good way to do storage
each developer could use have there own account and then whenever they updated there app they update the wapps link via web or give it like some type of flash capabilities that would be really great
or there could be a generic account that ever one uses to upload too
looks like this is in the works http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436127
maybe some collabo might be nice

Nice project!! GoOd Luck!!

If there was a way to advertise this app when it gets made. the diamond would sell millions

Why not just modify a RSS feed reader?

niikoo said:
I'm working to figure out how to connect to MySQL from a windows mobile based device, does anyone here know?
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Maybe Sqlite is more accurate for a mobile device ?
And you just download the sqlite file available on a server, this way requests would be very fast.

masterbox said:
Maybe Sqlite is more accurate for a mobile device ?
And you just download the sqlite file available on a server, this way requests would be very fast.
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Yes, every time you start it will update from the web or you can click on a button to update (or an 'update every x minutes' function

please keep up the hard work!!!!! love to see this appstore happen!

[APP][23JUNE2009] - Zero Dollar Store (App Store for Windows Mobile)

So I got tired of waiting for Windows Mobile 6.5 and a "real" app store for Windows mobile and started working on one of my own. It is very early in development right now, but feel free to give it a spin. If you are a developer and want to add an app to the few test pieces I have in there head to:
http://grebowiec.net/wmappstore/index.php
- June 23, 2009
New Category list display - easier to read/click
Progress bar for thumbnail loading (good for big categories like GAMES)
Added about screen so you know what version you have (built in updating coming soon)
Added tons of test apps (some downloads fail...sorry)
- June 16, 2009
First version uploaded
Long delays after some clicks, be patient

Sounds like this has some potential
will test it out right away!
p.s. i love the name

very good idea !!

Works pretty well.
Maybe we could work together? I made this site: http://thewingster.com/default.aspx

Not to sound harsh but how many of these apps do we need? There are quite a few similar apps out now, some more polished than others.
While I agree that competitive products are always key to innovation, too many products of the same line flooding the market can lead to a sense of over stimulation and paralize the possible success of that line. Take a look at Windows Mobile itself as an example.
An "App Store" is probably one of the few exceptions where a plethora of choices is NOT the preferred path to success. Rather, having one or two major options (MS's version plus a community driven one) are probably the best way to see a successful tool for the Windows Mobile community.
I say if you're going to try and do something like this, either make sure it stands head and shoulders above all other products so that your program and corresponding website are THE places to go to for apps, or use your talents in helping the already existing similar apps get to that status. Otherwise, at this rate, Windows Mobile will never have a "App Store" that is on par with Apple's.
Whatever you chose to do, good luck in your venture.

pndragon said:
Not to sound harsh but how many of these apps do we need? There are quite a few similar apps out now, some more polished than others.
While I agree that competitive products are always key to innovation, too many products of the same line flooding the market can lead to a sense of over stimulation and paralize the possible success of that line. Take a look at Windows Mobile itself as an example.
An "App Store" is probably one of the few exceptions where a plethora of choices is NOT the preferred path to success. Rather, having one or two major options (MS's version plus a community driven one) are probably the best way to see a successful tool for the Windows Mobile community.
I say if you're going to try and do something like this, either make sure it stands head and shoulders above all other products so that your program and corresponding website are THE places to go to for apps, or use your talents in helping the already existing similar apps get to that status. Otherwise, at this rate, Windows Mobile will never have a "App Store" that is on par with Apple's.
Whatever you chose to do, good luck in your venture.
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What other mobile app stores are there? I know there's that one that is through the website, but any that are actual programs on our phones??

Great idea, I will be very happy to support Your project

ace10134 said:
What other mobile app stores are there? I know there's that one that is through the website, but any that are actual programs on our phones??
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There's device update.

Please let me know if you tried to add an app. There was a bug on that page that didn't get all the data submitted.

ace10134 said:
What other mobile app stores are there? I know there's that one that is through the website, but any that are actual programs on our phones??
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Device Update by CRCinAU (Steven Haigh)
Like ZzFDKzZ said
Gecko by Nicolas Bouliane
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436127
wApps by niikoo
Never got off the ground as far as I know...
Pocket Download Manager by ciobo
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475532
OpnMarket by joel2009
JAK Portal by kareem9nba
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471576
and of course, the two from major software distribution websites:
InHand from Handango
PocketGear, Inc.'s App Store
See what I mean?

pndragon said:
Device Update by CRCinAU (Steven Haigh)
Like ZzFDKzZ said
Gecko by Nicolas Bouliane
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=436127
wApps by niikoo
Never got off the ground as far as I know...
Pocket Download Manager by ciobo
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=475532
OpnMarket by joel2009
JAK Portal by kareem9nba
XDA Thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=471576
and of course, the two from major software distribution websites:
InHand from Handango
PocketGear, Inc.'s App Store
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A lot of those are dead.
PocketGear is just a website and doesn't have an update utility built in.
Handango is mostly paid apps and no update utility.
This new app store sounds like it could work better, and as long as it actually gets going, it could work.
If you want to complain about too many similar apps, go to the Slide2Send thread, they want to make another "light" SMS app. We already have like 10 sms apps, we don't need another. Please tell them that!

Well, last night I wrote a quick RSS parser to load in some free apps from freewarepocketpc.net. There are about 140 apps up there now for testing. I will be releasing a new version today (I hope) with a few more features.

New version is up. Enjoy. Info in first post.

Deviceupdate only gives me errors and won't launch.
OpenMarked works slow without indicators
but yours work flawlessly on my device. Sometimes slow but, gee, it has to download stuff! Your appstore is already my preferred choice. Add some grfx, tidy the category list (maybe a list, not icons and make it fit to screen) and voila!
Tell me if you need some grfx
THANX!

great idea i just install and test
like the device update but don't have some apps, and not updating for newest version
opnMarket i got problem with this
need to try this one

Under Dev - CAD application for Android

My team has been vigorously working on a CAD application for android. I will post some screenshots of the tool if anyone is interested, so please let me know.
It's currently being tested and developed using a Motorola Droid running 2.0.1. Although we can run the emulator and test different screens using it, we find great difficulty in knowing if the "feel" is nice on a smaller screen.
Anyway - current features that are working:
Objects: Line, Circle, Ellipse, Rectangle, 3 Point Arcs, Text Areas
Drawing Modes: Orthographic (including 45s), Grid On Off, Snap Mode On Off (Endpoints, Centerpoints, Midpoints, Quadrants)
Other Things: Undo, Redo, Erase, Modify (reshape & move), Pan, Layering System, Linetypes, Colors & Text Sizes.
In The Works: Zoom (Option for Pinch), Configurable Toolbar (Add/Remove Tools), Export to DXF & Linetypes.
We are looking for a few people that would be willing to get in on a "PRIVATE Beta" to assist us with the continued development. We have our day jobs, so this is a project that when we have time to work on, we do. However, we do spent quite a bit of time working on it .
Anyway - We want to be picky about the testers, simply because we need to have a nice round group of people. Not plumpy, just round. We need a couple guys that are good with input, finding problems, etc. And we also need a few that dont know anything about CAD and can help us to see if the average joe can figure it out.
We also need a couple good mathmeticians or programmers. Or even one would do. We are having some trouble computing certain boundaries (ellipses to be more precise) that we need to understand so that we can build in other commands like Trim or Extend. (Plus our select option on ellipses is a bit hokey, but knowing how to find an ellipse will solve that for us)
For now, the only assistance I can give you is through the board here, and help you get started. The tutorial will come soon, once we get the basics figured out as to how we want to make it really work.
Anyway - To make a long story even longer - let me know if you might be interested. I would be more than happy to post some screenshots if you like of its current state. So let me know if you are interested.
Thank you very much for sticking through the long a$$ read, or even for skipping through to the "thanks" is enough for me.
That being said - LMK! Thanks!

A capacitive touch screen doesn't seem a good candidate for controlling a smooth CAD experience. However on second thought, when coupling together this technology with a trackball, the possibilities really open up. Harness these well and I know you'll be onto something here.
Post some screens to show everyone the progress of your development and I'll let you know if I'd be interested in testing.
Cheers

Well if your looking for anyone with CAD knowledge, I have a degree in engineering with CAD, and Pro Engineer. I don't have much time to devote to beta testing, but I do have time every now and then. I run a ION with 1.6. Good luck on your software!

(Unfortunately - my account has not been enabled for posting outside links or images - so this is the best i can do for you until that is enabled)
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/11.jpg
Above is a screen shot with a couple drawn elements, and the right side of the toolbar tools.
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/09.jpg
Above is a screen shot with a couple drawn elements, and the left side of the toolbar tools.
There are a handful of more screenshots posted up on my site, the links are as follows:
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/01.jpg - Layer select screen
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/02.jpg - File Operations
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/03.jpg - Display Settings
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/04.jpg - Samle Help Screen (Line)
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/05.jpg - Snap Settings
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/06.jpg - Color Picker
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/07.jpg - Snapping to Midpoint
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/08.jpg - Selection of Ellipse
talon-designs.net/android/andcad/10.jpg - Text Input Screen
That should be plenty of screens to keep interest.
@Lancealot - Thank you very much, and I completely agree, that when we started this, there was some doubt as to how precise you could actually be using a "touch based" screen. The good news, through playing with it, and given ability to set tolerances based on the size of your "touch area" as well as snapping options, we found that you can actually be quite precise.
Ill fiddle with it a little today, put together a drawing and give you a nice example of something that can be made with this.
Keep in mind, this is a work in progress, and although much of the functionality that is currently built into the tool, is at a "finished" state, there is certainly room for input and comments from others that may find use in this tool.
Anyway - here are the screenshots as promised, let me know if you have any further questions.
(Again - sorry about the inconvenience on the links)
(edit to update image types to jpg instead of png)

@zul8er - we are certainly interested in your input. Check out the screenshots and let me know if you are still interested. We dont need a huge commitment, but anything that you might be able to provide would certainly be a big help.
Android 1.6 is the minimum OS currently supported. We need to do some work on the graphics to go as far back as 1.5 to compensate for screen size, and we intend on doing so.. Just not at this current time.

I would be interested in trying out your CAD program. I've been doing CAD for ove 10 years now, started with AutoCAD but have been using Solidworks for the last 8 years.
In addition to using the touch screen for input, will you be able to enter X and Y coordinates using a keyboard or virtual keyboard?
What format will it save the files? DXF, JPG, or what?

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I would be interested in trying out your CAD program. I've been doing CAD for ove 10 years now, started with AutoCAD but have been using Solidworks for the last 8 years
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Seems there are more and more of us creeping out of the woodwork on a daily basis
Noob Squared said:
What format will it save the files? DXF, JPG, or what?
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Currently the file format is a proprietary format. But we are currently (today actually) working on saving out to a DXF format to be able to reload your files into AutoCAD or other supported softwares.
The ability to import is also in the works, but will require some massaging on the users end to make sure the DXF file is not binary etc. (MTEXT may not be supported either)
Noob Squared said:
In addition to using the touch screen for input, will you be able to enter X and Y coordinates using a keyboard or virtual keyboard?
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We have toyed with the idea of being able to put in specific dimensions on objects, and also work with x/y coords, but at this time, it only supports point to point drawing. We arent completely sure if we intend on building a "FULL ON CAD" application, or an application for people to use to simply get an idea of what they need to do for a job. The other key, is to keep the application at a price range that is reasonable for people. Most "PocketCAD" applications run around 50 bucks a copy - and rightfully so. To keep the tool at a reasonable range (below 10 or 15 dollars) it may need to be a bit lighter weight than those. Most people cringe at a 2.99 app..
IF we could devote our time 100% i am sure we could build a really nice full blown cad app Unfortunately as with most of us, the day job prohibits some of that time.
Its a WIP I'll put you on the list. Thanks for the input.

Are you looking for beta testers?
Hi, are you looking for beta testers. I'm a long year CAD user, and I'm sure I can help with the app development.
[email protected]
Have you tried using some of the java based cad software as a source for your project? There are many and some might be open source.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/ycad/

Yeah I am still interested. It will be neat to play with and see how it works. The coordinate input is a good idea, also, ever play with Pro Engineer? They have a cool way of building an initial drawing. You just sketch, regen, and then input your dimensions to make the object to your liking. Makes things a lot faster and easier to edit a shape if changes need to occur.
I dont know how in depth you want to go, or if that idea can be used.
My email is [email protected]

Nice
Give me a couple more days to get a good product out for you guys to test. Currently we are cleaning up a few little "we'll get that later" issues, and should be good to go by mid/late next week.
Thanks for providing the contact info, I will shoot you a message through email shortly.
Thanks agian for the interest.
@zul8er: nice. Look forward to hearing how you like the feel of it. I havent had a chance to play with ProE, as AutoCAD has been my forte for the last couple decades. Ill see if i can any kind of demo for ProE, and get an idea of how it works. Who knows Anything to make it easier for everyone is a good thing.
But yah - the indepth thing is the issue. We keep tossing with ideas and putting them "on the list" in case people start asking for them. I guess it just depends on how people really want to use this tool. (and of course, how much time we can continue to devote to it) - bah i hate day jobs

I enjoyed the screen shots that were posted. Any idea whether you guys will support rendering/raycasting, or physics with inverse kinematics? Either way it looks great; Sign me up!

haha Not sure if we are going to go the IK way. Maybe as a different project, something more suited to 3D, but for this app, we are only intending on running the 2D route.
My lack of knowledge about the OpenGL portion, really limits us with regards to 3D implementation. I spent a good 3 days just trying to get ahold of loading in a 3D model.. Still never got there (or would have probably released a 3D model viewer first).
At any rate, its hard to say where this will go. It mostly depends on the overall interest i suppose. Its certain that the sky would be the limit, if time were as available as the sky
But cool.. Glad I was able to keep your interest.
Currently (as I type even) I am finishing up all of the help documentation for the app, the inline tutorial, and what not.. A couple more days on the file handling (DXF in particular) and should be set to go for a BETA run. ('couple more days' - like we all havent heard enough of that)
@lancelot - can you send me your email address via private message? That way I can do the BETA communications through there (link to files etc). You are welcome to email me as well:
support AT talon-designs.net
cheers!

Hey, I'm a high school student that has just started learning CAD, does that count as average Joe? I'd love to help beta test, I really want android to overpower iPhone 3.0 lol. My e-mail is [email protected] I use g1 with cyanogenmod 1.6...so idk if that qualifies. But anyways, Good luck!

This really sounds promising. In the last few weeks, I really had the need for a good drawing software on my mobile device. But my Tytn II lacks of power. As I soon will get the Desire, I will hopefully have a quite powerful device for all day use (my Tytn II really sux atm). And because I have the re-occurring need of a drawing app, this could be it.
I mean I don't need it for simple drawing, but for constructing things CAD style and on the go Graphics of furniture or something with measures and all that stuff.

Hey guys.. just wanted to pass you an update on status (which is so much more than I seem to be getting from Verizon on the 2.1 update).
Small rant, but its done now.
Ok - status..
DXF Export is working now, supporting layers, linetypes, colors, and elements throughout the drawing. Am having some issues with getting ellipses to export via DXF (and im not alone - faulty specs are at fault), and that combined with the other issues regarding the math behind finding ellipse edges, we decided to comment out the ellipse alltogether for now. Not that it wont be back, but having so many rules with "you can do this to anything - except an ellipse" left us with no other choice.
It's coming back, just not right now.
We have saving and opening completed (simple proprietary ascii format, but it works for what we need it to do).
Zoom is currently partially working (difficult to complete the recalculation on the elements, but its really close) touch events for zoom are coming up as well. Maybe a pinch zoom even, considering that all devices are getting the 2.0+ upgrade - but we will see.. We dont want to keep anyone excluded from being able to use the tool.
@Balrog82 - we have definately taken this tool a long way since its initial conception. We hope to be able to bring more features that are more "CAD Specific" to the application, and will if it becomes a tool that gets used. We want to release it initially as a "basic" drafting tool, and see what kind of input we get. If we see that a lot of people are using it, and would like the ability to put in dimensions the same way that cad does (within limits) we will certainly look into it.
That being said - I hope the tool is still something you would be willing to try out. I find a lot of enjoyment with working with a tool at its early conception (started using paint shop pro at version 1.42) and now its on to version 14 or something and owned by corel. I just kinda get into that sort of thing, and hope that you all will do.
Good thing is, we hope its a draw to the tool, we plan on releasing it at the market both as a free version (no saving abilities) and a full version at a low price. As the tool grows, the price may increase a bit.. Keeping of course the original buyers at a place that they can keep updating the software at no cost to them. We think that will help the advancement and development of the tool quite a bit.
Anyway - It is right around the corner for initial testing. Please to all interested - send me a PM with your contact information (just an email would be great) I am going to see if i can start a private discussion here to invite you all to as well.
@Lancealot - i got your PM.. Am very happy that you are interested in helping. Expect to hear from me again soon..

Until we can see a working model of this app, I thought I would throw out an app that has some great drawing capabilities. The paid was is called "Picso" by Tiki Move, but I used the free version to try out; it's called "Picso Lite".
It's not a CAD app, but it's different from the other Paint apps on Android in that it has tools the other ones don't. It has the usual tools a CAD user would need, such as Rectangles/Squares, Circles/Ellipses, and Lines. You can change the colors and widths of these entities.
What I like about your program is that it has snaps, and the tools are on the bottom of the screen so they are easy to get to: /talon-designs.net/android/andcad/07.jpg
A feature Picso needs is a Zoom tool so you can zoom in to an area and draw whatever you need to and then be able to zoom full screen. It also needs a text tool. Since there is no dimension tool, you could put a text for the dimension.
P.S.,
I want to try your app, but I am only posting this to show how someone else has put these tools on their app and also to have a comparison on ease-of-use. One other thought, you mentioned the files your CAD app will create will be proprietary file types. Will you be able to save-as .jpg or .png so you can email or text-message a sketch to someone? That way if your on-site you will be able to send someone back at the office whatever it is to explain your ideas, and also they would not have to have an Android phone to view it.

Idea sounds great. Good luck with it!

Sorry for being away for so long.. but we had something going on that we had to attend to..
http://developer.att.com/developer/index.jsp?page=event&id=6.3_v1_9700324
More news as it allows.

Android Category Winner
Talon Designs, AndCAD
This application allows users to create simple geometric shapes, combined with notes, to describe plans associated with the art, architecture, engineering and manufacturing industries. Many of the tools familiar to CAD users are incorporated into this utility, meaning that fluent CAD users will feel right at home using this tool. However, the interface for this tool is simple enough for even the most novices of users to understand. This enables certain users (Contractors, etc) to be able to take notes while on a job site and associate them with vector elements within the drawing.

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Sorry for being away for so long.. but we had something going on that we had to attend to..
More news as it allows.
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Thank you to all the participants in the 2010 AT&T Open Call—Apps For All! Contest. This year's contest was filled with many great entries. AT&T reviewed over 90 applications this year ranging from games to business applications. The winners from each category will receive $10,000 and co-marketing opportunities with AT&T.
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