Hi All
I have searched on the forums for a bit of advice on this issue, and it seems to be a WM6 problem (some comments on other xda-dev device-specific forums but none i could find on the shift).
Every so often, my shift decides not to recognise my password, and therefore i need a hard reset. Not good after i spent all the time liberating it! This has happened twice now.
On xda-dev forums for other devices, they suggest you hold the 'on-off button' for 10 seconds after setting the p/w the first time, which will work around the problem. Unfortunately, the shift doesn't have such a button for the snapvue bit.
This seems to be a WM6 issue, which is made worse for the shift given the above issues (losing liberation, no on-off workaround).
Does anyone encounter this on their shift as well? I am surprised not to see it on the forum, so i hope i didn't miss anything. By the way, the solution 'don't use password' is no good for me, since to sync with my work server i must use one - and it comes on every 15 mins maximum without use!
I am intrigued also because i have a new HTC touch dual, and this p/w problem does not happen at all?
Odd. Any thoughts? Thanks all,
Nick
Anyone there
Hi all
sorry to bump this up, but I am just wondering whether the lack of replies since I posted this the night before I went on a job for a week is because of:
a) i am the only one who experiences this and thus noone knows how to fix it
b) anyone who does know has already posted to another thread i cant find?
Sorry to bug, just wondering.
Cheers, Nick
Never had this issue in any wm6 device.
pof said:
Never had this issue in any wm6 device.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here..
Just an odd thought, are you using a long password? WinMo really only likes a 4 digit numerical PIN for password as it is a system originally designed for PDA's and enhanced for mobile phone use. Hence unlock via keypad.
Thanks
Hi guys
thanks for that, no i am using a 4 digit password.
Interesting, it seems to have stopped since i wrote the first post, have taken it away on 2 major work trips and it's all good. However, i have not liberated it again yet. I think i am going to re-liberate it and see whether the issue happens again.
There are definitely postings on some of the other forums here on xda-dev, so it is a known issue, but maybe i am just unlucky....
N
I've been pretty frustrated with my titan recently. The number one thing that I have had problems with is text messaging. It was just so laggy, I couldn't type a simple sentence with the hardware keyboard without having to go back and edit a bunch of misspelled words. I tried flashing to different roms to see if it was a software problem, and on a fresh rom it was faster but after using it a while it became laggy once again. So I tried the new speedbooster2.0 software that was recently posted in development and hacking forum, and it seemed to help but not enough. Still a terrible lag that frustrated me to no end. I text ALL the time, more than I talk on the phone. My girl and I probably send over a hundred texts a day, so this problem was having me thinking drastically like, just getting a new phone. Texting is my #1 purpose of my phone.
Then all of a sudden today it dawned on me that I could disable word suggestions. I tried that and guess what... Completely fixed the problem!
So if anybody else is as slow mentally as I am, this info will be helpful. Otherwise this is just a good story to laugh at.
very nice...i've seen it before...happened to me...
i didn't know how i fixed it
probably loaded a new rom...
No love for the Saga??
I love it... and check for news about once every two weeks. Haven't heard anything.
hello fellow IL person... im hoping for a 6.5 cooked rom
note... I posted a message over on PDAPhoneHome.com and everythingwm.com and then found this thread... since it is similar in nature to my questions, I thought I would reply to this one instead of starting a new thread.
Greetings fellow frustrated Saga owners!
Wish I hadn't updated…
I, like many of you, now wish that I had not installed the update on my Saga.
It worked great before!... But now I am experiencing many of the same bugs that have already been mentioned on this forum.
I am pretty tolerant of bugs in general and I don't mind trying to find workarounds for them. Often, the workarounds add more functionality then would normally be there anyway… Plus I enjoy learning how things work.
Biggest problem…
The one thing that I can't stand is the loss of signal strength I have seen since updating! My data connection dies several times per day and I have to soft reset to get it back. Sometimes it is hours before I realize this has happened so I am not always getting my email right away. (Who has time to check their phone every few minutes to see if it has stopped synching or not?)
Other times it seems like it just stops synching for no reason. I use both an exchange server (MailStreet) and Windows Live and they both have this problem. Sometimes I check my phone when I go on break at Noon and I will notice that it hasn't synched since 9:30 AM or sometimes longer than that, yet there is no error message (like it tried to synch and couldn't) and I open the browser and can get on the internet. It is like it doesn't even try to synch. I have both of them set to synch every 15 minutes (greatly increases battery life btw) 24 hours a day. Then there are other times, it synchs more often than every 15 minutes… so I don't know what is going on!
Getting worse?…
Is it just me or do the signal issues seem to be getting worse? Or maybe it is just in my area? This past week I have actually started getting errors saying that it couldn't connect (whereas before, it just wouldn't connect... no errors)... and it seems to be happening more frequently.
Finally… my question…
What I would like to know is if anyone is working on a "cooked" ROM for the Saga. Either 6.1 or 6.5 would work for me. I have heard some good things about 6.5 (like dramatically increased performance), but I haven't heard about anyone working on this for the Saga. Waiting for Verizon to come out with another update is just a lesson in frustration and honestly I am not sure I would trust it if they did release one.
I consider myself to be a pretty tech savvy person and even enjoy some light programming on occasion (the .net framework is awesome… Something Microsoft got right!!), yet I am reasonably certain that cooking up my own ROM is beyond my skills (though I am willing to give it a shot if someone can point me to a clear guide)
Follow-up question…
If no one is working on this and no helpful guide is available, then I am wondering if a ROM from a similar phone can be used (maybe with a few modifications required?). For instance, is the Epix similar enough that we could use a ROM designed for it on the Saga? (There is a 6.5 ROM for the Epix that can be found here) Or does the fact that its hardware is GSM only make it out of the question?
More questions…
If using a ROM from a similar phone is possible is there a way to backup the current ROM so that it could be restored if the other ROM doesn't work? If so then I would probably be willing to use my phone as a guinea pig. Yes, I understand that there is a possibility that it could brick my phone and I am willing to accept the risk if there is a good chance that it will work. I have an old blackberry that I can use if something goes really wrong.
So I guess the real question is… How similar do the phones have to be? Or does it have to be identical hardware?
Any insight would be appreciated...
Steven
Id like to know the same answers! The Omnia, which came out at the same time will be upgradable to 6.5, so why did samsung release a phone that wont be at the same time as one that could?
i wonder if an omnia rom could be altered for the samsung?
Lets see some love for the Saga with 6.5, also any news on the Sags 2?
Revisiting old thread
I've still got a brand new Saga that I'd love to use if I could get a stable build of 6.1 or 6.5. The "update" from Verizon made the Saga useless with its instability and constant lock-ups.
I would really appreciate some of the experts here building a clean ROM for the Saga.
Thanks.
Hi all,
I was wondering if I can't start a partition for the sms problem for leo. This is still a phone people and the two major functions of a phone are to be able to call and send text messages. Meanwhile all HTC seems to do is fix some little calendar and sd-card bugs but where is the WORKING fix for the sms messaging problem? I think if we start a petition and show HTC how much people are struggling with this problem, they will need to hurry up and fix this problem once and for all. Only problem is that I don't know how to start this off and I could use a little help. Thnx in advance.
Grtz
P.S. Still loving my snappy Leo, but it's very frustrating when you can't send messages when you're used to do this a lot..
totally agree. they should stop all other fixing not fixing anythng nd work on this issue.
I don't believe in petitions; needs someone to organise, etc.
Better idea, if you feel so strongly about it, is to write to HTC's technical department and copy their publicity and marketing people in.
WB
i dont know which problem you talk about.
but there is already a hotfix for sms-problem from htc.
http://www.htc.com/de/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=297&cat=0&dl_id=812
i hope this will help you. otherwise, which problem do you mean?
Fonzy85 said:
i dont know which problem you talk about.
but there is already a hotfix for sms-problem from htc.
http://www.htc.com/de/SupportDownload.aspx?p_id=297&cat=0&dl_id=812
i hope this will help you. otherwise, which problem do you mean?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
He knows that, but that hotfix dosent work. This is why he put WORKING hotfix in his message. HTC need to sort this out. coz i'm seriously thinking of selling this phone and getting another iPhone now.
Protip: The hotfix works. If it doesn't, you're doing it wrong.
DexyG said:
Protip: The hotfix works. If it doesn't, you're doing it wrong.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
doesnt work
Gotta agree hot fix did nothing for me. Seriously annoying trying to send messages. Its rather embarrassing when i show off the phone!
The only thing that gets me by is the little work around someone suggested. When loading a contact Open and Close the menu(bottom right) then you can type. Its annoying but much faster than waiting for nearly a minute to start typing.
they should remove and return me back the old classic outlook sms!!!!
bzdemes said:
Its rather embarrassing when i show off the phone!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Exactly, when people use the phone to try it out and it gets stuck on one of the most basic functions, they just think "why would someone use a phone that doesn't text?". It won't do much for the "i want one" mentality that HTC want people to have when they see their friends using their phones.
DexyG said:
Protip: The hotfix works. If it doesn't, you're doing it wrong.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What makes you think so? There are loads of people who've installed the fix and experienced the bug since. And more are cropping up every day. Just because some people haven't had the bug come back after installing the fix doesn't mean it wont. Some users had the phone for weeks before the bug cropped up initially. Moreover, HTC themselves are not advertising the hotfix as relating in anyway to the stuck outbox problem. The accompanying description on their site is a load of marketing speak nonsense.
My 2p worth.
Firstly I have a love hate relationship with HTC Messaging. I've always used PocketCM anyway instead of the standard MS c#@* and it has worked lovely until the recent ROMS came along. Now it simply won't run alongside. Just crashes out. I don't know why and the developer can't assist as he does not have a machine to test it with and can't recreate the issue etc, etc...
Last week T-Mobile made me an offer that could not be refused and so I upgraded to the HD2. It has been with some trepidation that I have used it the past week or so as I send and receive a lot of texts on a daily basis but I have to say I have not had the problems you guys are having. They go straight away and there is none of the lag that has been reported. I'm beginning to think I must be very lucky! On the other hand I would agree that to me the two basics of these phones that must work faultlessly are the calls themselves and SMS. The fact that there is issues is pretty dreadful...
My next hope is the arrival of hacking SPL so I can flash a decent ROM onto the device and hopefully one without this program built in!!
The SMS outbox build-up (and therefore non-sending) bug is intermittent. I had it after around 4 days on my original handset. I installed the hotfix immediately upon unboxing the replacement and encountered the problem within 24 hours. There is also another, more nasty and even more intermittent SMS bug - mentioned by only a couple of people on this forum - and that is texts going to someone other than the intended recipient. I have had it happen twice to me and that is enough to give me ZERO confidence in sending texts on this device. I don't discuss anything that I would be embarrassed about if it were to get into the wrong hands. This is a bit of a disaster for a seasoned texter like myself, I used to text more than I made calls.
HTC need to address this, they obviously can't locate the 'bug' or don't fully understand the problem. Intermittent faults are notoriously difficult to fix as they never occur when the 'tester' is checking for them. Therefore if a fault cannot be replicated, how can it ever be fixed? My 2 cents is that the whole messaging app should be rewritten from scratch and the plans for the old system should not be looked at - it should all be fresh. If they can't find the bug, write some new code.
sunking101 said:
The SMS outbox build-up (and therefore non-sending) bug is intermittent. I had it after around 4 days on my original handset. I installed the hotfix immediately upon unboxing the replacement and encountered the problem within 24 hours. There is also another, more nasty and even more intermittent SMS bug - mentioned by only a couple of people on this forum - and that is texts going to someone other than the intended recipient. I have had it happen twice to me and that is enough to give me ZERO confidence in sending texts on this device. I don't discuss anything that I would be embarrassed about if it were to get into the wrong hands. This is a bit of a disaster for a seasoned texter like myself, I used to text more than I made calls.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Now that would be a major pain in the a#*&! As I've said I believe I must have struck lucky and have none of those issues but if I did.... God doesn't bear thinking about!
sunking101 said:
HTC need to address this, they obviously can't locate the 'bug' or don't fully understand the problem. Intermittent faults are notoriously difficult to fix as they never occur when the 'tester' is checking for them. Therefore if a fault cannot be replicated, how can it ever be fixed? My 2 cents is that the whole messaging app should be rewritten from scratch and the plans for the old system should not be looked at - it should all be fresh. If they can't find the bug, write some new code.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
+1 to that idea but I wouldn't hold your breathe!!
One again, I repeat: I haven't seen anyone in America have this issue. I use ATT and have no issues with texts. None. I've had my HD2 for almost a whole month, as well.
*knocks on wood*
Lucky indeed
TonyJ999 said:
My 2p worth.
Firstly I have a love hate relationship with HTC Messaging. I've always used PocketCM anyway instead of the standard MS c#@* and it has worked lovely until the recent ROMS came along. Now it simply won't run alongside. Just crashes out. I don't know why and the developer can't assist as he does not have a machine to test it with and can't recreate the issue etc, etc...
Last week T-Mobile made me an offer that could not be refused and so I upgraded to the HD2. It has been with some trepidation that I have used it the past week or so as I send and receive a lot of texts on a daily basis but I have to say I have not had the problems you guys are having. They go straight away and there is none of the lag that has been reported. I'm beginning to think I must be very lucky!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's the problem. Although I've read and followed these threads about this problem as they came across the forum, I had'nt had any problems myself and considered myself lucky too! But after regaining confidence in messaging with my leo, and I started to send texts again it turned out this problem occurs quite random. Sometimes I send a text and it gets delivered right away, but another time I'll send a text and a few others to other recipients, and they all get delivered 2 days later!! That's where it gets tricky for HTC I think. Then again, if they are able to create these beautiful devices, they're certainly able to rewrite a flawless messaging-app from scratch.. Only hope that this will be fixed soon Or HardSPL will be released soon.
DexyG said:
Protip: The hotfix works. If it doesn't, you're doing it wrong.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If you're saying that, YOU know nothing.
I too suffer this problem.
Today I got really pi**ed with it and uninstalled the Hotfix, leaving just the ROM Update, so far so good - probably just today though!
This is a really buggy phone throughout though, probably the worst I've had, but somehow this appeals to me deep down
I've had the phone since November, seen the sms problem only twice. Kinda got the impression that it only occurs if the phone has been on a good while, i.e a number of charges with no soft-resets. That could easily be coincidence.
Both times also after spotting the messages in the outbox and doing a soft reset the queued messages sent.
Still not working for me too
blah...okay so I got my flashed evo (to boost) about a week ago...
i activated it...all that jazz and everything seemed okay. Then I noticed that my signal was HORRIBLE. if the 3g was there, it was greyed out and so were the bars.
so for a few days I went around thinking it needed to be reflashed and was all worried and mad and then yesterday at the doctor i noticed I had PERFECT signal. texts came and went like nobodys business...internet worked great.
the thing is, i have great boost and sprint signal at home. Other people with boost, sprint and virgin mobile all get great service here.
So...I have updated prl, and profile god knows how many times in hopes that it would help. I did it yesterday at the doctors office thinking maybe when i got home id stay connected or something.
I changed my evdo to cdma hda only and that helped tremendously. but it wont stay. it goes back to auto all the time. I did some other changes but i dont want to get in trouble for posting them here so if you want some more info, PM me.
I cant have a non-working phone. but I am in a dilemma because the guy that flashed it is a complete douche. complete. he told me i was looking too hard into the problem and the phone just needed to be reflashed. I told him I thought maybe a bit of the antenna we being weird or broken and he said theres no way (im not an idiot) I have been searching and searching, along with my husband for a week now...I keep finding bits and pieces of people with SIMILAR problems but i cant find the exact one. Which is why I am posting this. I have contacted many other flashers and have heard lots of different things. But i really do think that its just a small fix that I can do if someone knows the issue i am having.
So if someone would like to help me...that would be super awesome and wonderful of you.
I realize I do not have much knowledge but I have been reading for so long and not finding an answer that I thought it would be alright to ask and not get people all irritated on the forum.
Thank you all,
ashley
EDIT: just figured out that my phone isnt rooted....at least as far as i can tell. I downloaded terminal emulator and typed su by the $ and it didnt # just did another $. I also tried to use the MSL reader app (first to see if 000000 was really a good password for ##3282#....) and it asked if i was sure my phone was rooted...and that made me check with the TE...so....does this pose problems when it comes to 3g not working well? or would rooting it make it easier to fix?