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ok hopefully someone can tell me what i'm doing wrong if anything. . . I previously installed touch-it v2.3 with no problem but i have tried at least 15 times to put the touch it full version and have no luck. I'm lost. I even went back and did the v2.3 again and it worked fine. any ideas? I am using ruu version 4.26.531.1, i am installing aserg then soft reseting then running 1__UPGRADE_ROM.bat . . . then when i hard reset it gets stuck on the t mobile white screen. driving me nutz!
Is Ur Device Hard Spl'd?
HardSPL doesn't really mean anything in this case, because he's using aserg's method to try to flash.
My advice- don't flash this rom. get a newer rom that uses HardSPL/USPL. It'll also be wm6.1 (shiny shiny). PDOCwrite (asergs method) is kinda old.
fzzyrn said:
HardSPL doesn't really mean anything in this case, because he's using aserg's method to try to flash.
My advice- don't flash this rom. get a newer rom that uses HardSPL/USPL. It'll also be wm6.1 (shiny shiny). PDOCwrite (asergs method) is kinda old.
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Where can i get one of these 'newer roms' you speak of? also i tried to make sense of dougstoner's directions on how to hardSPL and call me a nub but i couldn't make sense of it. . .
This rom is really old. check the post dates, but the roms are numbered by version. Higher version=newer version. Aserg's method is what we used to use to flash roms back in the day before HardSPL (herald was weird in that HardSPL was released AFTER many people got it)
Anywhoo, for HardSPL, go to the HardSPL thread, read it over and then follow these directions.
There are 3 cabs. Install them in the order that Papamopps posted. Soft reset, and then run the HardSPL RUU (romupdateutility.exe) to HardSPL your device.
fzzyrn said:
This rom is really old. check the post dates, but the roms are numbered by version. Higher version=newer version. Aserg's method is what we used to use to flash roms back in the day before HardSPL (herald was weird in that HardSPL was released AFTER many people got it)
Anywhoo, for HardSPL, go to the HardSPL thread, read it over and then follow these directions.
There are 3 cabs. Install them in the order that Papamopps posted. Soft reset, and then run the HardSPL RUU (romupdateutility.exe) to HardSPL your device.
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Alright my device is now successfully Hard Spl'd . . . thanks a lot! Now to find the newest/best touch it rom. . . Anyone have a link for me? I am using Touch-IT v4.4 stuffed atm
just look at the version numbers for the newest. Many people have their own preferences, but i feel that Open Touch 6.5 lite (no spb or tl) is just brilliant. But thats probably because i use it.
one question- is touch-it 4.4 wm6.1 or wm6? I'm pretty sure its 6.1, but i gotta clarify
fzzyrn said:
just look at the version numbers for the newest. Many people have their own preferences, but i feel that Open Touch 6.5 lite (no spb or tl) is just brilliant. But thats probably because i use it.
one question- is touch-it 4.4 wm6.1 or wm6? I'm pretty sure its 6.1, but i gotta clarify
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man honestly i have no idea how to even check that. . .and if u could help me out with a link to download open touch 6.5 lite (the version u have) i would be greatly appreciative! I promise im not lazy i just never find it when i search the forum. . .thanks again! ! !
here you go buddy......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=400642
touch it 4.4 is wm6.1
Hey guys,
I have been browsing this forum extensively for the past two days and must say there is wealth of resources here and lot of knowledge sharing.
However I find that most of the threads are bit on the steep side for a Windows mobile novice like me to understand. I just got a new HD2 few days back.
Can some one please give a one line meanings of below terms and if possible links on this site or elsewhere that can give a lay mans definition. Once I got a hang of the terms then I can go around on my own. I am sure there are many like me.
- HSPL (I saw the main HSPL thread but does not explain what is HSPL)
- Flashing
- Cooked ROM, stock ROM
- Radio
- SPL
Thanks in advance.
Metal
metal675 said:
Hey guys,
I have been browsing this forum extensively for the past two days and must say there is wealth of resources here and lot of knowledge sharing.
However I find that most of the threads are bit on the steep side for a Windows mobile novice like me to understand. I just got a new HD2 few days back.
Can some one please give a one line meanings of below terms and if possible links on this site or elsewhere that can give a lay mans definition. Once I got a hang of the terms then I can go around on my own. I am sure there are many like me.
- HSPL (I saw the main HSPL thread but does not explain what is HSPL)
- Flashing
- Cooked ROM, stock ROM
- Radio
- SPL
Thanks in advance.
Metal
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Hi and welcome!
You might want to read this wiki:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=SPL Questions?
It should cover all of the above (it is designed for a non-HD2 device, but the explanations aren't dependant on model).
metal675 said:
- HSPL (I saw the main HSPL thread but does not explain what is HSPL)
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"HSPL" or "Hard SPL" is a bootloader. What this means is that it's software that goes on your phone which is invoked as the phone loads, and from there loads the operating system and/or presents and executes other advanced functions.
The default bootloader is "locked" so that only signed ROMs can be flashed. HSPL un-"locks" this so you can flash any ROM.
metal675 said:
- Flashing
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"Flashing" refers to writing to ROM. When you "flash" a phone you write a new operating system to its ROM.
metal675 said:
- Cooked ROM, stock ROM
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A "stock" ROM is one distributed and/or made by the OEM. A "cooked" ROM is one distributed and/or made by a non-OEM.
The ROMs you can download from HTC's site are "stock".
The ROMs you can download in the ROM forum are "cooked".
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- Radio
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The "radio" is the firmware that goes on your phone that controls most of its BIOS functions.
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- SPL
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A bootloader for the phone. The "H" in "HSPL" means "Hard" meaning it's un-"locked".
Great responses.
rp-x1,
Thats precisely the kind of url I was looking for. It explains fair bit on SPL. Are there any other pages here, perhaps one which is indexed or a step by step tutorials going further into flashing and explaining other terms?
Spike 15,
Thanks for the definitions.
So I understand that 'flashing' is a Winmo term for actually changing the core rom.
If i relate it to Windows terminology, then I guess ROM in WinMo is similar to set of custom dll, exe's in Windows that affects the core OS.
Also, what is a signed and unsigned ROM? I know in Symbian we have signed and unsigned apps but they can be self signed, I guess this must be something similar.
- Is installing HSPL (the one on this forum) recommended?
- How would I determine that I need to upgrade or change to another ROM be it stock or cooked?
For e.g. I tried installing the new HTC rom from their website but I got an invalid vendor id. I believe that is because my phone is locked to T Mobile UK. Would HSPL + a WWE ROM unlock the phone?
Thanks again.
Metal
Bringing up thread.
Can someone please respond?
Should I really install HSPL or a Soft SPL?
If it is HSPL can I use the one given on this
link http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433
Should i use the HSPL.zip and HSPL2_RUN.zip ?
I am locked to T Mobile but want to use O2, will Hard SPL allow me to do that? Means if I do HSPL and then flash a WWE rom
Thanks
Metal,
Before you do anything there has been early Tmobile USA hd2's out there so i have to ask... do you have a hd2 from europe or from USA.
the new TMobile USA hd2 has SPL 2.X.X, the hspl you see around is for the europe one and WILL NOT work on TMO USA HD2.
U asked if it was recommended... well it does void the warranty... but you can go backwards if needed to send into repairs, but that scares some people in to even attempting this for a 500-800 dollar device.
Now away from that part of it, yes unlocking your phone allows you to flash these "cooked" roms into your phone... which by theory will make your phone work faster, better, and do things it "should have" out the box. There are normally little treats as well as built in software that makes your experience better because you don't have to load on apps and slow down your phone because they are already "cooked" into the ROM.
Boredtonite,
Thanks for the reply.
I am on T Mobile UK, so I assume that it is the European version.
I had a look at few vids on youtube regarding flashing and then reverting it back, so it does not look that difficult to me.
Only thing that I want to know is if I should do it, if yes which is the correct version I should use.
Can anyone provide me the link to the correct version of HSPL that I should use for my T Mobile UK phone
Also once I run that is it recommended if I flash the HTC wwe rom from its website?
Hi Frinds my phone model num is t3320
i want to know that
all touch2 rom is compertabel for my device???????????
if not then how i update my phone rom??????????????/
Difference is that your phone does not have 3G or GPS. No reason why custom Rom's should not work.
So to flash a new Rom back-up your current Rom (see specific thread), apply hard SPL and select the Rom you like.....
Have fun.
Actually, one of the best ROMs I found here is based on your model. This one : New [ROM] [6.5.3_23541_WWE_Radio_3.53.25.20], uploaded by TangerineTractor. It's awesome and I recommend it to you. I'm using it now and it has only minor bugs that you/I can live with and although my model is T3333 after I flashed this ROM, my device says T3320 but everything works well. Try it!
You need to Hard SPL before you can install new ROM
But... there is no Hard SPL for T3320 until now
I already try T3333 hard SPL from Jockey on my T3320... but it not work!
troubletop said:
You need to Hard SPL before you can install new ROM
But... there is no Hard SPL for T3320 until now
I already try T3333 hard SPL from Jockey on my T3320... but it not work!
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and there is no possibility in near future because i am coordinating with Jockywilson for the HSPL from last 10 DAys and finally failed to use HSPL
HSPL
But the HSPL has worked for me .... well I know its funny but did at the very first go. For my system config details - visit jockey's thread.
troubletop said:
You need to Hard SPL before you can install new ROM
But... there is no Hard SPL for T3320 until now
I already try T3333 hard SPL from Jockey on my T3320... but it not work!
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Hello All,
As for Addicted2Xda, the HSPL worked for my device (T3320) too & that too in first go.
I dont know much about these things & this is the first device that I own. I verified the procedure & my device in the tri-color screen reads 1.28.Hard on the LHS side. So i believe that HSPL has worked. The only way to confirm that this works is to load a custom ROM(which i am ready to load) but before that I would like to
1. Backup my current ROM (i.e. the original one from HTC so that in event of any issue, i can claim warranty)
2. In case the custom ROM doesnt flash or work, I can load the original one.
Now I, dont know the procedure, requirements, pre-req on how to do it & hence I would like your expert help in this matter. I am ready to do it, its just that i dont know how to do it & I would like to learn.
So is it possible, for someone to post the stepwise procedure to
1. Backup the current ROM.
2. Load the custom ROM.
For our device Model T3320. I also have a reason to specify "our device Model T3320" in every request simply becaue I, have read most of the thread there & found out that there is much misleading information about this device T3320 here. For e.g. in some threads you find that the HSPL is not working in some you find that it works & other things.
My aim (request or what ever you call it) in humble manner, is to make it easy for guys like me (who are new / dumb at this) to use this beautiful forum, in much better manner.
It is possible that, my aim has already been achieved & I am doing something wrong (probably since I have not read all the rules), in which case I am due for a butt-whipping from all the senior members, which i am ready to take, provided, it becomes easy for guys like me to use this forum.
Long post, you all can thrash me for it & i would gladly take the heat, but please consider my reqeust.
Regards,
H.D
Great job HD.... i am also sailing in the same ship with you. T3320 is my first Windows mobile, there are a lot of doubts and confusions with the device.
Most of the terms used in this site are complete jargons to me, it would be great if someone comes forward to enlighten newbies like us.
If you have Hard SPLed your phone, just make sure that your boot loader shows 1.28.Hard (meaning you have successfully HSPLed your device). Luckily you do not need to backup your original ROM as it is already available in the Roll up thread . WWE Asia is your ROM (if you are an Asian that is ).
if your HSPL shows as 1.28.Hard, you can flash any custom ROM you feel like. Just give a few of them a shot, you are bound to like one of them .
Once I flashed my ROM with a custom ROM, never bothered to revert to the Original crap, be it my Vox, my Gene or my Mega.
BTW if you are really interested to know the methods / jargons (well some of them), just pm me and I will be glad to help you - but please note that I have a real job, so it will take some time .
Addicted2xda said:
If you have Hard SPLed your phone, just make sure that your boot loader shows 1.28.Hard (meaning you have successfully HSPLed your device). Luckily you do not need to backup your original ROM as it is already available in the Roll up thread . WWE Asia is your ROM (if you are an Asian that is ).
if your HSPL shows as 1.28.Hard, you can flash any custom ROM you feel like. Just give a few of them a shot, you are bound to like one of them .
Once I flashed my ROM with a custom ROM, never bothered to revert to the Original crap, be it my Vox, my Gene or my Mega.
BTW if you are really interested to know the methods / jargons (well some of them), just pm me and I will be glad to help you - but please note that I have a real job, so it will take some time .
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Thank you so much Mr.Addicted2xda
1. How can i roll up to original ROM after flashing a new one?
2. Will the warranty be violated if i flash it?
neon7 said:
Thank you so much Mr.Addicted2xda
1. How can i roll up to original ROM after flashing a new one?
2. Will the warranty be violated if i flash it?
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Once you hardspl your device, your warranty is void.. unless you find a way to put the original spl back on your device... whether you flash a custom ROM or not is immaterial.
But please note that it is my personal opinion, but:
1. I have a Vox for nearly 4 years now... never needed to send it to service centre... only had to change the battery once... that too last year.
2. I had a Gene for more than 1.5 years and sold it to a friend of mine (who used it for 6 months till he lost it)... without a glitch.
3. Using my touch2, flashed it within 1 month without caring for the world (BTW I am not a millionaire... if I was, I would go for TP2 ).
If you want to try new stuff... you have to take the risk.
Best of luck in enjoying your Touch2 right now... or waiting for the warranty to get over
Hey.. Please, can I anyone Help me out and tell me, is there any way flashing ROM through Memory Card.. I have read somewhere on XDA..
I had HTC GENE(P3400i), And I flashed that many times.. But now I'm using HTC Touch2 (T3320 Special Version).. And I want to flash this too..
My Problem is.. Someone told me that after flashing my Touch2 I won't be able to play FM Radio.. Is it TRUE.?
And Please tell me the Procedure by which I can safely Flash my ROM..
First, make HSPL to hack the phone, second choose a ROM from all of the roms in this section, you can put it via data cabel.
mirost1 said:
First, make HSPL to hack the phone, second choose a ROM from all of the roms in this section, you can put it via data cabel.
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Thanks, But I'm afraid that I have T3320, Can I flash the ROM for T3333.?
Baadshah555 said:
Thanks, But I'm afraid that I have T3320, Can I flash the ROM for T3333.?
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yes you can.i have the same model and flashed almost
ALL the ROMS available in the ROM section of MEGA
and all work great!!
so go ahead and enjoy yourself.
Baadshah555 said:
Someone told me that after flashing my Touch2 I won't be able to play FM Radio.. Is it TRUE.?
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Which crackpot told you that ????
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rakesh_4utoo said:
and there is no possibility in near future because i am coordinating with Jockywilson for the HSPL from last 10 DAys and finally failed to use HSPL
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I never knew my model was 3320, I used jockey's HSPL, been using custom ROMS from here, all works fine
hi. i just bought a tmobile hd2. some of my phones informations is:
spl-2.10.0000 8g xe
fcc id:nm8pb81120
os version 5.2.21892 (21892.5.0.89)
manila ver 2.5.20121412.2
rom 2.13.531.1 (90963) wwe
redio ver 2.10.50.26
protocol 15.39.50.07u
cpu 8250b
speed 1024mhz
ram 576 mb
flash size 1024mb
i've read lots of articles on this site. i suppose i'll need to instal another rom on my phone. i read a lot but i get little confused. i think first i have to instal HardSPL (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=653614) second i have to flash a radio and i can instal a rom. and on this page (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=591784) it says i don't need to flash a radio. which means that i just install hardspl and instal this rom... am i right?
can you guys help me what am i suppose to do... and which version of hardspl, radio and rom works well for me?
sory to ask lots of questions but i don't know enough about wm phones ( thanks for guides...
Hi, basic steps are
1. Backup your important data like contacts etc..
2. Its very IMPORTANT that you Flash HardSPL first before flashing any ROM (No worries,it only needs to be done once for you to enjoy subsequent custom ROMs). Version 2.08.HSPL is ok.
3. Browse the threads for a suitable "TMobile HD2 compatible ROM" or visit this link for comfirmed ROMs.
4. Perform a Hard reset after successfully flashing any of the ROMs
5. Enjoy!
i suggest u clear your schedule, get coffee, tea, drink(s) and visit This Link . It contains info and links to all the guides you can possibly need to push you and your device to a higher level. i wouldn't recommend trying android till you are very comfortable with flashing ROMs.
you dont need to worry about the radio just yet, because since you have a tmous phone, it already has a radio that will work with all tmous compatible roms anyway.
Well I'm gonna just say right now I'm not an expert or anything since I'm relatively new too. I'm just trying to help, I would however advise wait for a more experienced person to answer.
First, if you want to flash a ROM follow this guide for the TMOUS HD2's. It goes over how to do it, which ROMs are compatible and all that.
Yes, you do have to get HSPL (except I think there are methods when you don't, though that might just be for the international phones...). But to get HSPL you should probably use this. I don't know if it is the only thing that does it but it, from what I understand, is the most well known. It also keeps you from "bricking" your phone.
From what I understand the only time you have to flash a radio is if the ROM needs it, and the chefs will say if it needs a certain one or list ones that it works with on their ROM page. I think most of them support the radio that comes stock, though don't take my word for it. I would wait for someone else to confirm or re-explain this paragraph because I'm not completely for sure.
As for which ROM is right for you...well only you can answer that. They all are different and different ones have advantages over the others. You just gotta explore a little and see what looks nice. This is the list of ROMs that support the T-Mobile HD2 so stick to it. I don't know how up-to-date it is (meaning I don't know if there are any new ones or not) but stick to those, you can "brick" your phone otherwise.
I would however advise if you're new to WM phones to try out themes first. They are a lot safer and I don't think there is any chance of ruining your phone (the only reason I flashed mine is because I've done it with a different phone before and felt comfortable doing it). Don't do anything you are uncomfortable doing and understand all the risks that go into anything you do to your phone before you do them.
Sorry for the long post, just hope this helps a little.
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I just got double ninja'd
thaks everybody for all informations. i'm still reading to find out how to install a rom and which one is good. i liked enegy rom gtx themed. i'll take a try. just before doing something to my phone i'm just tring to learn more but i'll do it anyway with a goodway or hardway... i hope everythig goes well...
thanks again...
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thaks everybody for all informations. i'm still reading to find out how to install a rom and which one is good. i liked enegy rom gtx themed. i'll take a try. just before doing something to my phone i'm just tring to learn more but i'll do it anyway with a goodway or hardway... i hope everythig goes well...
thanks again...
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That's d spirit...You'll be amazed @ what the search function on XDA coughs up...Everything'll go well once u stick to d guides and TMobile compatibie ROMs & Radios.
i picked up this rom (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652649) but there is two options. 1) com5(c5) 2)com2(c2). i don't know what it means... and if want to install one of these roms do i have to flash a radio after installing hspl?
and what is the stock rom?
thanks again...
It looks like COM5 and COM2 are just different versions. COM5 offers more options it looks like though, but I'm not sure. Someone else can probably answer that a lot better than me. I am also unable to answer the radio question. Sorry.
As for stock ROM though, that is the ROM that came already on your HD2 when you got it.
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i picked up this rom (forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=652649) but there is two options. 1) com5(c5) 2)com2(c2). i don't know what it means... and if want to install one of these roms do i have to flash a radio after installing hspl?
and what is the stock rom?
thanks again...
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I see u picked out Kumar's ROM...Click Here for a thread on the definitions and differences between COMs...And No, you won't need to flash a radio after installing HSPL or a custom ROM (Unless you are having problems connecting to your network in which case, u need 2 be careful 2 flash a radio known to work with Tmobile HD2).
Stock ROM is the original/default ROM which TMobile shipped with your device. Follow this guide and you can grab the stock ROM from here. The Stock ROM has to be re-flashed to your device if u ever have to return it to Tmobile as flashing a custom ROM voids your warranty. Grab useful links and watch video tutorials here.
Hope dis helps ya.
thaks voncrane i learned a lot today...
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thaks voncrane i learned a lot today...
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You are welcome, we r all noobs on different levels..
Hello Everyone,
I need some help and I would appreciate some feedback. Hope I wouldn't have to bore you with a lot of questions here. I just bought an HTC HD2 mobile phone (Model: T8585) WinMo 6.5 Professional with the following software specs:
SPL: SPL 1.66.0000 XE
ROM Version: 1.72.162.0 GER
Radio : 2.07.61.22_2
Protocol Version: 15.32.50.07U
OS Version: 5.2.21869
The problem is that the OS is in German and I want to change this to English. The phone is not locked to any network. I can use any mobile operator's simcard. In fact, I am currently using O2 simcard, although I bought the phone from vodafone germany. The thing is that it looks like the hardware is locked to vodafone's custom german OS, I tried to install an english OS and it failed with an error like "invalid ID" or something. I have read through a few threads here but I thought of explaining my situation here first before proceeding with anything.
So my first question is, can I use the HSPL3 in this case and what kind of ROM will I be able to flash my htc hd2 with after HSPL3? Secondly, can I still maintain my radio software without flashing a new one after hspl3? Thirdly, what's the difference between a cooked rom and a stock rom? Lastly, when a phone is bricked, does it also mean the phone is dead? Can a dead phone be reversed?
I am sorry but I'm a little bit new with HTC. It's my first smartphone actually The first 2 questions are the most important of all.
Thank you and I look forward to hearing from you
Bisoo
Dear user, first of all welcome on xda.
Secondly tray to use the search option, so the next time you don't need to wait till someone answer you.
A lot of new users have mostly the same question, so the answer was alreddy bean given in the past.
But okay, Now I'm replaying your questions, way not help you out.
About your question if you like to stay on stock Rom, but you will have a other language take a look on this thread, read and follow the instructions and all will become Okay.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642486
Fore your latest question about the deferent between Stock Rom and Custom Rom, well the there are deferent builders, but the idea is the same. building a Rom with the latest packaging and build on the needs of the followers.
So you will see and find lot of different, the biggest different between the custom Rom's is style!
Take a look on this thread fore finding custom Rom's and read the sticky threads first! there is a lot of usfull information on it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=534
Fore replaying your question about HSPL, this will depends of your choice of your Rom, some Rom builders will advice you to use HSPL2 (1.66) some will advice you HSPL3 2.08, ... it depends of the Rom, and the conclusion of the Rom builder based on his test's.
I hope you have now some more information,
Best
Kurt
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About your question if you like to stay on stock Rom, but you will have a other language take a look on this thread, read and follow the instructions and all will become Okay.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=642486
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this method will work, but requires making a gold card which isn't free.
much easier to use hspl and then flash a stock rom in your preferred language.
if i were the op i would
1 install hspl2,(hspl3 offers nothing that hspl2 can't do, hspl3 is not "better" or a higher version, it just supports tmous phones, that's all. hspl2 is more useful to regular hd2 users.)
choose either 1.66.hspl or 2.08.hspl, doesn't really matter, you can change it whenever you like.
2 flash the rom of your choice.
you can also search for UK serial and download and flash the latest rom that way, again a search will find all you need
I am so pleased with your feedback. I guess I should have taken some time to go through all the threads on this site, instead of creating a thread which has questions which have already been answered on older threads. But I appreciate your responses
I have to admit that whoever created Hspl is just genius. I followed hspl3 installation guide and now I have been able to flash an European stocked WWE ROM (english) on my german carrier ROMed HTC. I took the S/N from one of the links Kurt provided. It's perfect now, although I am still a bit cautious and hoping nothing happens to my phone. I read a few scary threads here where some people, after some days, complained that their phones died after flashing with hspl. But I have the feeling that if one follows the steps correctly and consider the requirements keenly, probably nothing will happen. That's what I did.
Thanks a lot to you and all the guys who've contributed one way or the other on this site. I am sure I'll be back, maybe not with questions but contributions Thank you so much.
Bisoo