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O2 XDA Mini S - using without a SIM card?

Hi everyone.
OK. So, I've got an XDA Mini S and I've just got to the end of my O2 contract, so they've sent me a free phone (which is nice). It's a Walkman phone, which I'd like to use.
Therefore, I'll have to remove the SIM from my Mini S and put it in the new phone (I'm continuing with the same contract, so there's no new SIM). This actually suits me, because although I think the Mini S is a great PDA, I don't think much of it as a phone. Plus, my use of it is pretty heavy, so if I ALSO use it as a music player, the battery's dead in no time at all.
So what I'd like to do is be able to use the Mini S to still do text messages and email, but send and recieve them by connecting to GPRS via Bluetooth through the new mobile (with the SIM in it). Expect I can't figure out how to set up the Mini S to do this. Can anyone help?
Sorry if this is all a bit garbled
Thanks in advance.

I'd think doing the email would be easy... but as most sony phones are a little trashy (in my opinion) I doubt they will do the text message passthrough thingy some of the good phones have, mainly nokias.
To get the email working, you'll need to setup the GPRS connection on your sony one, then turn it's bluetooth on (make sure it's discoverable). Then search for the services supported on it, using the wizard. You're looking for "dial-up networking". Select this, and then try and dial the connection from the bluetooth config panel thingy. If I remember correctly (not done this since back in the WM2003 days), you need to dial *10# or summit from the wizard, then it will connect to the sony phone via bluetooth, and start the GPRS connection. Once it has dialed, just use the wizard as you would have done before.
I'm sorry if ti's a little vague, as I mentioned i've not had to do this for a couple of years. I'm someone will say if i've missed something out...
Hope it helps you

Well, an idea. Why don't you get the SIM into the miniS and use the Sony as walkman without the SIM? Else, sell the Sony and get yourself multiple (and larger capacity) battery for your miniS?

hanmin said:
Well, an idea. Why don't you get the SIM into the miniS and use the Sony as walkman without the SIM? Else, sell the Sony and get yourself multiple (and larger capacity) battery for your miniS?
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Well, I initially thought I'd have no use for the new phone, but I like the idea of the music player being the same system as that for answering calls - if I'm listening to music on the new phone, I'm not going to miss a call (and this is something I'm likely to do as it's my work mobile). I have a bigger battery for the Mini S, but it makes the phone into a bit of a lump and still only gets me a day and a half of normal use (which doesn't include listening to music). And swapping the battery means restarting the Pocket PC, which is a bind.
Thanks for your reply, Brins0 - I'll give it a try. I think you might be onto something with the code for the phone to dial into GPRS. I think it might also want a "standard" O2 username/passowrd, though I'm not sure what these are. If anyone else has any thoughts, I'd love to hear them.

Mannish Boy said:
Well, I initially thought I'd have no use for the new phone, but I like the idea of the music player being the same system as that for answering calls - if I'm listening to music on the new phone, I'm not going to miss a call (and this is something I'm likely to do as it's my work mobile). I have a bigger battery for the Mini S, but it makes the phone into a bit of a lump and still only gets me a day and a half of normal use (which doesn't include listening to music). And swapping the battery means restarting the Pocket PC, which is a bind.
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Yeah, I know it is good to have a music player with a phone function. However, for my case, its the vibration that alerted me on in coming calls most of the time. It is SMS vibration that I've missed.
Anyway, I'm impressed that you can get a miniS dead in a day and a half without music. You do talk a lot on the phone, huh? I talk on average 30 mins on the phone and it lasted me 3-4 days on a full charge, on a normal battery. Well, anyway, consider the size of the screen and power of the phone, you can't compete with a Sony phone, say W610, which has a rated talk time of 7 hours (gsmarena) and Wizard's 4 hours. Sony *is* pretty good in what they do.
ANYWAY, good news for you is that, I did manage to tried to sync my SE T630 (old one) with my PC before using IR connection using software found on (myt630.net) and I can send SMS (via the phone) using my PC. However, getting the SMS is another story, I think I'll have to do a check-mail thing (eg, pull) on the phone to get new SMSs, it doesn't seems to do a push (that's 3-4 years ago, my memory is failing me). So, I'm pretty sure that Sony's phone is able to get you to send SMSs without problems AND I've seen software for Palm that enables you to send SMS using phone connected via IR and BTooth and I'm sure you get that for PocketPC. So, for SMS you'll probably need to use other software that is meant for real pocket pc (eg without phone function) to send your SMS.
Anyway, let us know of your progress. Like, how good is the Sony phone in terms of battery life with and without the music
UPDATE: This is an example
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2002/12/13/sms_pocketpc.html
though I was looking for something that cost $0.

Your right about my heavy use of the Mini S. I don't actually make that many calls, but I do use the PDA functions a hell of a lot. I also rely heavily on email for work, so being able to leave the Mini S connect to ActiveSync via Bluetooth has given me a lot of freedom to move around the house - at the expense of flattening the battery pretty quickly. One thing I've noticed already is that the battery does a lot better when it's not connected to a phone network. I wouldn't have expected that to take much power, but there you go.
Anyway, I've figured out how to use the email function through the phone. I set up a new dail-up connection which connects to O2's mobileweb GPRS. The reason I struggled to begin with is that I was entering the APN (on the Mini S) as "mobile.o2.co.uk", which I think would work IF I was connecting directly from the Mini S. BUT, what I needed to do was enter the APN as *99# (found that on the web somewhere) which prompts the PHONE to connect to O2's mobileweb, and therefore allow the Mini S a GPRS data line. Hope that makes sense! Phew!
As for SMS, you're right: I need a third party program to allow that. I was hoping the Text Messages part of the Mini S's Messaging application could be reconfigured, but it doeesn't look likely. Can anyone recommend a good, third party SMS program for Windows Mobile 5?
Thanks everyone!

[APP] Loudtalks Worldwide Push to Talk (walkie talkie)

Perhaps something for you guy's.
Push to talk for Winhose Mobile.
What is Loudtalks?
Loudtalks brings voice back to the internet communications. It's a little application, which allows you to talk to your friends or colleagues instantly with a single touch of a button. Think walkie talkie. It's faster than text chat and more convenient than calls. Loudtalks is available for Windows right now, but we are working hard to bring it to other platforms soon, including your mobile phone. Loudtalks is free and will always be free.
http://loudtalks.com/LoudtalksSetup.exe
Njoy
Belsj

sounds cool to me...time to test

works even on T Mobile ;-)

can this be used in Portugal

over_limit said:
can this be used in Portugal
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This could be used with any device that runs Windows, can connect to the internet, and has a microphone and speaker

sounds tight hope to try

Palringo currently does this as well. Not sure which is better though...

I have installed it and it works good. Doesn't use your minutes when talking. It could be kind of like Mobile to Mobile for WinMo users and can cross carriers. Anyways, does anyone know how to enable a sound/alert when initiating or receiving PTT transmission like the infamous Nextel chirp? I noticed that on the PC version it has a chirp.

yeah that would be great. i need the beep too.

This would be so cool!
Hope you manage to port it without problems,
cheers!

bombzhome said:
Palringo currently does this as well. Not sure which is better though...
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dont it cost and i tried it once with a friends ppc threw wifi threw both devices and was realy crackly this is a lil beter quality in my experience

are there no other programs for push to talk?
Nobody ?
Belsj

What to do with my G1 thats not being used?

So, I've gone out and bought the MyTouch 3g Slide, and most likely won't be going back to use my G1 as my daily driver. I have no plans to sell the G1, well, not yet anyways.
So what can be done with my G1? I was thinking of maybe using it as a navigation-only device. Problem is, with no SIM, I of course would need a nav system that stores the maps on the SD card. The phone is rooted, so I was wondering whats the best way to try and trim this phone down to almost nothing, so that all it will basically be able to do is load the nav app I install. Is this possible or already done?
I really liked this device. It did pop my Android cherry after all, and I don't just want it to collect dust.
Thanks in advance.
Edit: I intentionally posted this in General, but after re-reading this, would it make more sense to post this in the Development forum? Can a mod move it if so...?

put it in a box and ship it to me this way your not selling it.... your giving it away

yeah... send it my way. My kid has been ogling my G1 forever now. He wants one soooo bad. LOL.

OK, aside from selling it, or giving it away, what else...

I've often thought of what to do with my G1 when and if a successor becomes available.
I personally would love it if some developers could get together to make a rom that would resemble what the Ipod Touch is to the Iphone. All the programs and games, no phone bits. Just use it as a personal media player. Or in my case, i use it as a wifi remote for my HTPC also.
Oh, and does it make you wonder..when 2.2 source is available to the public, would trimming out all the telephone parts make the G1(with dangerspl) upgradeable again?

Cancel your home landline, put google voice on the g1, keep it connected to wi-fi all the time, and you got free nation wide calling and a cheap international calling. Also since it is connected to wi-fi, you can still use it as a phone.

Send it to me pretty please (I need to update my N95).
... Okay fine, how about charity?
LOL ...no?
Well aside from using it as:
a second phone,
Digital camera (poor one),
PMP/iPod (listen to music/watch pictures/videos),
Portable gaming console (Atari, C64, Sega Genesis, GBA, SNES and Android games),
Home entertainment unit (surf on your couch with wifi) and
eBook reader (nonetheless poorly).
I can't think of anything else.
If you can't find another use for it besides just a mobile phone, you're really missing out and should just post it to me

Definitly new ipod or home phone

there's a pretty nifty howto over at instructables.com on using the G1 to power a home-made robot
http://www.instructables.com/id/Android-G1-Serial-To-Arduino/

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=541177&highlight=wifi+talk
I have mine on wifi and setup like this.. pretty cool as I now can use it as separate phone while at work, home etc .. and with the app penetrate I get even more use of the wifi

jamesd86 said:
I've often thought of what to do with my G1 when and if a successor becomes available.
I personally would love it if some developers could get together to make a rom that would resemble what the Ipod Touch is to the Iphone. All the programs and games, no phone bits. Just use it as a personal media player. Or in my case, i use it as a wifi remote for my HTPC also.
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Ya know, I am planning on upgrading to the Touch Slide or whatever in a few months when I can afford it...when I do, I might just whip something up ROM wise that has no phone bits, but strictly media apps like:
WIFI Remote for various HTPC frontends (XBMC, MediaPortal, etc)
Music Apps (stock music, 3, etc)
Anything else I can think of
I think that would be a fun project. And considering everything in my home is OpenSource, it shouldn't be all that hard to find (or create) all the apps I need.

That sir, would be pimp.
But to cut down the rom size why not make those a flashable addon? Make it so they install to sd automatically maybe? The biggest thing would be to fit 2.2 on the phone, with support for apps to sd, jit, and all the other delicious froyo goodness.
Thanks for listening.

Use it as a dedicated SIP phone in wifi areas.
First get a google voice number and a gizmo5 sip number.
Forward your GV number to your regular cell number as well as your gizmo5 sip number using sipdroid (market) on the G1, so that when you're in wifi areas both your cell and your g1 will ring. Now you can answer either based on whatever... caller, importance, etc.
Make outgoing calls in wifi using all of the above and the GV callback program (market) so as to make totally free calls. Add some money to google voice for international.
Use it on the tabletop like a pda and take calls on your cell. actually very convenient. I've got a clamshell which I prefer for talking and can take more abuse than the G1.
Get a Tmobile $100 prepaid sim which is good for a year. That's 10c min and your own number for a year! ..and if you add any money to it the expiration is extended to a year from the add. At that price you can throw it in the car for 11 months and forget about it only to switch it to another phone later.
Put 2 grooves in it and call it an ashtray. -Bill Cosby

i have a retired htc magician which i am using as an alarm clock and listening to audio books. It served me well over the years. Was my first HTC phone. Battery still lasts more than a week...

Turn Galaxy camera into SUPER camera

I always want a camera with phone, (due to my job)
Are there any hackers/super developers can tell me or help me? That is
Is it possible that we root the Galaxy camera and S-Off the Galaxy camera ?
And finally , Galaxy camera can make a phone call ???
What is the main factor that it cant make a phone call ??
http://s.hksimg.com/kb/content_images/2012/08/30/85903/1346303468_981.jpg
Network shows 4G 3G HSPA..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1185688

Is the device using android?

d p r e v i e w.com/news/2012/08/29/samsung-announces-galaxy-camera-with-android-OS-4-1-jelly-bean
yes!!!! android-OS-4-1
Network shows 4G 3G HSPA..
What is the main factor that it cant make a phone call ??

If you want to know if Galaxy Camera can make a phone call or not? The answer is yes. It can do anything that Android 4.1 allows it to do. More Info

Thank you for answering questions .
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(delete two spaces between d p r )
How ever , in Offcial displays and websites show us "with a 1.4GHz quad-core processor at its heart, missing only the ability to make calls."
though it is Android 4.1, they cancel the function of making call. For fear that galaxy camera would impact the selling of S III.
>>>>>>>>>Network 4G、3G , HSPA+ 21Mbps (Not include Gsm communication)
Is it the problem of hardware ? Seach the words "call" in the web ,many replies show that they are confused the cancel of call function.

Don't worry, I or someone else in these forums will hack its core and make sure that we can make calls with it.

The galaxy camera CANNOT make calls.......It's just a camera with android on it.........you can put a 3G or 4G enabled sim on it to use its data(like the iPad),and NOT make calls......If you are interested in buying a phone with a good camera....wait for the Nokia Lumia phones with Pureview
Also S-ON/S-OFF are terms only for HTC devices......it's sort of their way to prevent access to the NAND

csoulr666 said:
The galaxy camera CANNOT make calls.......It's just a camera with android on it.........you can put a 3G or 4G enabled sim on it to use its data(like the iPad),and NOT make calls......If you are interested in buying a phone with a good camera....wait for the Nokia Lumia phones with Pureview
Also S-ON/S-OFF are terms only for HTC devices......it's sort of their way to prevent access to the NAND
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So sad

john12262002 said:
So sad
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mm...but i know that with a jailbreaked ipad 3g you can call...so probably it's only to unblock the function in galaxy camera...hoping

It can be done
Confucio1986 said:
mm...but i know that with a jailbreaked ipad 3g you can call...so probably it's only to unblock the function in galaxy camera...hoping
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Way ahead of you guys.. this should work .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1875024
Pierre

if anything would you not be able to use skype with the data card in there to make phone calls? Or perhaps you can use Google Voice?

pileiba said:
Way ahead of you guys.. this should work .
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1875024
Pierre
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The reason that works is because it shares a modem with a device that can make phone calls. I'm not saying this camera doesn't. I'm saying don't go flashing that modem.
I have a galaxy camera inbound next week. Expect some threads in original development and development from me. I will be releasing Heimdall One-Click and CASUAL for this device shortly after I get ahold of it. I will also film some XDATVs on it. Then I will send it to Josh Groce at MobileTechVideos.com to get a JTAH flash on it.
I'm very excited to see what this thing can do

It can be done on a very simple way using CM10 : by enabling in build.prop the phone functions and using a Bluetooth headset. However, I think CM10 with Galaxy Camera is a no go, as all the main features are in TouchWiz on this device.
The harder method would be to modify the build.prop to let you make phone calls and then install the dialer&contacts apps .apk from S3 or Note 2. Here will be some compatibility issues, but they could be solved. The only thing you will need is a Bluetooth headset, which will run as speaker and mic.
Samsung can't remove the phone features in Android, just they can disable these functions, which we will enable again .
L.E.: The modem should not be a problem, because this device can receive 3G data for Internet via microSIM, correct?

just gonna state the obvious
Could you just use Skype/Google voice (us)
Would this not work? (Maybe need to grab apks as not supported) but wouldn't that work?

Fallon9111 said:
Could you just use Skype/Google voice (us)
Would this not work? (Maybe need to grab apks as not supported) but wouldn't that work?
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Yes, that will work. It's running Android and that's the only real requirement for those apps. It will probly also support Google+ Hangouts. Native phone calls are a different story though.

AdamOutler said:
Yes, that will work. It's running Android and that's the only real requirement for those apps. It will probly also support Google+ Hangouts. Native phone calls are a different story though.
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Its because theres not a gsm radio to make a calls right
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Surely you could make Voip calls on it. The device has a speaker, a microphone and data connectivity via Wifi or 3g/4g. You might look silly making calls on a camera but if you paired that with a Bluetooth adapter, then you'd be in business.

zac68 said:
Surely you could make Voip calls on it. The device has a speaker, a microphone and data connectivity via Wifi or 3g/4g. You might look silly making calls on a camera but if you paired that with a Bluetooth adapter, then you'd be in business.
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I wouldn't care about looking silly, but it would be a perfect device for holidays (or small get-outs and concerts/events). You run around making pictures all day, making very occasional phonecalls and whatsapping/skyping a bit in between .. if this device had call-capability I could leave my $600 smartphone at home and worry about only one expensive device in my pocket.
Besides, I'd laugh my ass off at people looking at me making a phonecall with this haha
The "what the ?!" faces will be priceless

The mic placement is no good for making traditional phone calls, the call quality will be terrible I think. I was really hoping this thing could make calls, I basically only use apps on my nexus 7 now and I only need a phone to take photos and make calls, this could have been it.

jediryan123 said:
The mic placement is no good for making traditional phone calls, the call quality will be terrible I think. I was really hoping this thing could make calls, I basically only use apps on my nexus 7 now and I only need a phone to take photos and make calls, this could have been it.
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You could always just use a bluetooth headset and skype to make calls for you or perhaps google voice.

3G N7 as phone

Anyone know if it's likely the 3G N7 will work as a phone when connected to a Bluetooth headset? I don't think other 3G tablets (Android or IOS) have this functionality enabled, do they?

I'm not sure on your question specifically. However, I wonder if the 3G will support the use of VoIP technology so you can use something like GrooveIP lite (via google voice) to make phone calls (as many do over WIFI) - the only problem being that it's not the most efficient use of bandwidth/min of talk time.

I dare say the 3G connection would support it so long as VoIP is allowed by your carrier.
I was thinking more of using it as a GSM phone replacement. If I have my N7 with me anyway, I could use something like this maybe as the 'handset'
http://gigaom.com/mobile/can-bluetooth-handsets-help-the-smartphone-to-tablet-switch/

Short answer is probably no.
Look up tablet talk on the play store though, as long as your phone is in your bag/pocket you could use that to do what you're talking about
Sent from my Nexus 7 using xda app-developers app

Calls on HTC Flyer works. So maybe some devs will implement this feature...

Kearkan said:
Short answer is probably no.
Look up tablet talk on the play store though, as long as your phone is in your bag/pocket you could use that to do what you're talking about
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I have TabletTalk. It's good for what it does, but I'm wondering if I can go forwards with essentially one device with 1 SIM (plus headset) not a tablet + phone.
I suppose I could "emulate" what I want with a small phone tethered to a WiFi N7 with WiFi, plus TabletTalk. But the phone will be running WiFi hotspot mode on all the time and battery life will be awful on it, right? Better to be able to use the tablet as a rather large phone and a bluetooth headset connected to it for calls. This scenario will also be a mess when I move to an area with it's own WiFi, as I don't think I can have the tablet connected to another WiFi connection at the same time as the phone. And I can connect the phone using Bluetooth for TabletTalk, but I can't use the Bluetooth connection effectively for tethering to the phone for data.

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Calls on HTC Flyer works. So maybe some devs will implement this feature...
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Well, I guess there's a chance it will anyway on the N7, but you'd have thought it would have been a promoted feature if it was going to be possible out of the box...