Hi, I would like ask, if shift has vga acceleration under WM? I red, that quallcomm 7200 has same vga function, but i am not sure.
Deja Vu anyone?
Give people here chance to get it working a little more in WM (like a basic PDA!) before we start petitions and lawsuits can we?
That's a bit harsh - he asked a simple question.
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That's a bit harsh - he asked a simple question.
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Then why don't you give him a simple answer?
Or would you prefer I said "Well the hardware supports it but HTC have decide not to provide us with the drivers" along with, SD card, Bluetooth, Wifi, Voice, simple PC side connectivity..et al !!!
It is sold "as is" until XDA Dev work on it...
Soz, don't want this Forum to go the way the Kaiser one did...Smiles. I mean Comon! it comes out of the box with 64Mb memory and could not play Tetris at all (no way to load it you see!) let alone vid accel games!
Sheesh!
Farsquidge said:
Or would you prefer I said "Well the hardware supports it but HTC have decide not to provide us with the drivers" along with, SD card, Bluetooth, Wifi, Voice, simple PC side connectivity..et al !!!
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Yes, that would be a reasonable answer.
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OK, ya got me...
Will let you take the consequences...
You are right, it is early to ask about that things, because shift's software develop is in the begin. But fot me is important, what is really performance of this device. I like disscover part of shift and know what is inside. My lastr device was htc uni, and it has only 64 MB too, but now it can by upgradeble to 128MB and it is enough for wm. I think that it can be done with shift in future. Shift construction is very nice and i like it as same as uni. That is reason why shift can be wide spread.
My ideal of shift: Atom cpu,
128MB wm ram
usb cable synchonization with pc
sd working without vista
Related
We all know that the shift project is a bit delayed
Could one of you who have the beta/development ROM please release it, to the community so that those of us who want to cook something can try and see if we can get something out of it. (maby a briked device )
You can use the rom from your device, it will be a good base for a rom. Beta rom only add gps drivers but remove stability from the same base.
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... but remove stability from the same base.
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sorry thaihugo... but what do you want to say exactly with this... what's these problems? ...and gps drivers provided with beta rom work with both windows mobile and vista? because there are many gps navigation software for tablet pc that works with vista... so we can delete SD card driver problem for the moment... (and i/we can finally use a PC navigator, for windows vista.. )
GPS drivers are also a top priority for me, and that’s one of the main reasons why I would like it!!
And I also hope the shift project have made some small progress with other things that might be of use.
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sorry thaihugo... but what do you want to say exactly with this... what's these problems? ...and gps drivers provided with beta rom work with both windows mobile and vista? because there are many gps navigation software for tablet pc that works with vista... so we can delete SD card driver problem for the moment... (and i/we can finally use a PC navigator, for windows vista.. )
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Let's be clear:
HTC release a rom with gps drivers during product development. I think this is the beta ROM. It has many other problem but it has GPS
HTC release final ROM without GPS because it think GPS is not to be added.
Somebody must take the final rom, and add gps drivers from beta rom or from another rom in it.
Nobody actually is doing this. Cmonex will do this, but it seems to take some time.
If you want, you can do it yourself using your own Rom dumped from your shift, and add some gps drivers files.
If somebody want's to do this, I'll be happy to provide any files or reg regarding gps from the rom. Just give me precise name and key.
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If you want, you can do it yourself......
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I believe the whole point of us donating enough money to purchase the 2 units was so that we wouldn't have to do it ourselves.
let us cook
maybe she can't release the beta rom because she need the agreement of htc.
plus htc plan to provide a gps rom update, I suppose they don't want this project on internet.
finaly mains goal of this project could be the sd card, bluetooth wvga
anyway she made the olio sspl userfriendly and we can cook the final snapvue rom. this is already a great achievement !!!
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maybe she can't release the beta rom because she need the agreement of htc.
plus htc plan to provide a gps rom update, I suppose they don't want this project on internet.
finaly mains goal of this project could be the sd card, bluetooth wvga
anyway she made the olio sspl userfriendly and we can cook the final snapvue rom. this is already a great achievement !!!
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I agree with the main goals above, but that is just me being selfish (I have no use for GPS - though I will no doubt "have" one if it is available - much to my wife's annoyance). I just really really want voice capability. I can not even record a voice note as the mic does not seem to work. Oh well, I do like everything else about the machine. I suppose I can't have my cake and eat it too.
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I believe the whole point of us donating enough money to purchase the 2 units was so that we wouldn't have to do it ourselves.
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Yes I know, but I was starting to think about a plan B in case thinks gets too slow.
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Yes I know, but I was starting to think about a plan B in case thinks gets too slow.
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and.... what would it be ???
do you honestly believe that htc is trying to stop cmonex from releasing a rom version? shouldn't they tried this when the spl was released? I don't think htc is giving some real sh.t about what's being done down here.
shoudn't microsoft contact the god damned crackers that make cracked versions of windows vista and contribute to millions of $$ lost. Well most probably they don't. By the present time they should have found out that it's useless.
the rom development is simply delayed. For what reason we don't know. But it isn't the alien invaders, the ninja worriors send by htc to kill cmonex or some major plot in the grand scheme of things. It's just delayed. Maybe they want to add more than only gps activation.
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shoudn't microsoft contact the god damned crackers that make cracked versions of windows vista and contribute to millions of $$ lost. Well most probably they don't. By the present time they should have found out that it's useless.
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they did and went on record to all saying we'd rather you steel/hack a windows O/S then use linux or mac
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and who was the guy saying that... microsoft's ceo, billy boy gates? the one who said 512kilobites of ram shoud be enough..
that's funny though.. billy and steve appeared on a tv show telling the world that they just started to really be friends.
anyway .... we'd rather you steel/hack a htc phone then use those goddamned simbian devices )
Good diversion from the wait, whatz plan B?
I'm loving this, at least some discussion on the ROM release is better than weeks of no news. Still anxious to know about the plan B though. In case nothing really comes up.
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I'm loving this, at least some discussion on the ROM release is better than weeks of no news. Still anxious to know about the plan B though. In case nothing really comes up.
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I think that Plan B is to sell the crippled shift, ... anyway... I'm thinking about this... it isn't possible to use drivers from another HTC smartphone that use the same CPU, and that use a clean copy of Windows mobile with all hardware unlocked, and make a beta test cooked rom with those drivers for testing purpose..
we just need to know the progress and whats stopping those roms, is it money or is it time or what? coz we are very anxious about the whole thing
what about 6.1??
beta rom is buggy and slow , a good start could be winmo 6.1 in order to mount the 3d driver of the qualcom msn 7200. the actual 5.2.1620 kernel is too slow on the shift. snapvue would be more pleasent to use with the last kernel.
it would be great to make the gps drivers not mandatory, it is a great handicap for people not using it. qualcomm gps ship drain a lot of battery enven if they are not used!!
If you want, you can do it yourself using your own Rom dumped from your shift, and add some gps drivers files.
If somebody want's to do this, I'll be happy to provide any files or reg regarding gps from the rom. Just give me precise name and key.
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hem... about the files and reg of gps from the rom... I'm interested, I want to do some "experiments" on my shift...
Give me the name of the files and registry export you want, and I'll zip them here.
How should we know the keys and files we need if we don't know exactly what the rom contains
That is exactly why I would like to look at the rom so i can find out what improvements that are needed to get it up and running, or intergate it to a new rom
In the HTC official Leo Spec, it has digital compass. Does Leo's compass work as the same as Iphone 3GS(not using gps)?
I am using touch hd, and I enjoy NeoS2007 Pack3. Is the HTC Leo's graphic driver best enough for the graphic performence?
yes and about the graphic performence: it's definetely better than on the HD.
Yeah well. But will HTC pull another qualcolm on us and make the HD2 a device without full drivers?
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Yeah well. But will HTC pull another qualcolm on us and make the HD2 a device without full drivers?
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Have any of you check out the HTC HD2 reveiw at SoloPalmari. It's in Italian, but you can use Google translator to read the the three part review.
If you can't read it for some reason, send me your email and I will send you a pdf of the article. I would post it on the site, but due to copy right issues, I wont'.
cheers.
btw, I have pre ordered the HTC HD2 with Clove.
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Yeah well. But will HTC pull another qualcolm on us and make the HD2 a device without full drivers?
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Have any of you check out the HTC HD2 reveiw at SoloPalmari. It's in Italian, but you can use Google translator to read the the three part review.
http://www.solopalmari.com/review/recensioni-hardware/7394-htc-hd2-recensione-solopalmari-parte-1
If you can't read it for some reason, send me your email and I will send you a pdf of the article in English. I would post it on the site, but due to copy right issues, I wont'.
cheers.
btw, I have pre ordered the HTC HD2 with Clove, as I think this is a fantastic device.
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Depends on what you mean by "full drivers". It's already a known fact that the HD2 has hardware-accelerated OpenGL ES 1.1. What's not known is whether it has video decode acceleration or not - but from what I've seen I'd say not. Apparently the Toshiba TG01 does, though. Although TBH, it might not matter all that much considering how fast Snapdragon is anyway.
maybe the official Leo Roms can show the details
In Htcpedia, the official multiple languages can be downloaded from the link:
http://htcpedia.com/news/official-htc-hd2-wm6_5-rom.html
Maybe some experts can tell us the details in the ROMs, and show his/her evaluation.
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Depends on what you mean by "full drivers". It's already a known fact that the HD2 has hardware-accelerated OpenGL ES 1.1. What's not known is whether it has video decode acceleration or not - but from what I've seen I'd say not. Apparently the Toshiba TG01 does, though. Although TBH, it might not matter all that much considering how fast Snapdragon is anyway.
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Yeah, but to fork out a huge amount of money, I'd rather that the full hardware capabilities are being made use of. I don't want the HD2 to be like my HD. A device with huge potential but locked.
Could anyone of you try to install Windows 7 (for PC) on a MicroSDHC (I don't have one with 16 or 32GB so I can't try) and try to boot it (using multiboot with WinMo 6.5) on HTC HD2?
This experience must sho us if:
- HTC HD2 can run Windows 7 (lagging or not)
- Windows 7 can recognize our 480x800 screen resolutions
- Windows 7 can use our GPS
- Windows 7 can recognize and use our accelerometer
- Windows 7 can use our phone for calling
- HTC HD2 has the specifications to run Windows 7 (is Snapdragon efficient?)
- etc...
If it works, maybe my phone will use Windows 7 instead of WinMo7...
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Could anyone of you try to install Windows 7 (for PC) on a MicroSDHC (I don't have one with 16 or 32GB so I can't try) and try to boot it (using multiboot with WinMo 6.5) on HTC HD2?
This experience must sho us if:
- HTC HD2 can run Windows 7 (lagging or not)
- Windows 7 can recognize our 480x800 screen resolutions
- Windows 7 can use our GPS
- Windows 7 can recognize and use our accelerometer
- Windows 7 can use our phone for calling
- HTC HD2 has the specifications to run Windows 7 (is Snapdragon efficient?)
- etc...
If it works, maybe my phone will use Windows 7 instead of WinMo7...
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OMG, that's so funny.
no, just no
Dream may not come true..
Good idea .. I hope at least DX10 will work too I have only XP on my notebook and I can't play Just Cause 2 !
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no, just no
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LOLOLOL ROFLMAO!!!
Can any of you try to install cash into envelopes and try to mail it to me?
This experience must sho us if:
- it will make me rich
- the type of cash you have
- it can afford a car
LOL
Search for Bochs, you can get windows 95 to run on the HD2. Unusable, but it runs...
ok this is serious and possible, if you came here only to write stupid things you can go on iPhone.com... for others who are interested you can stay... after all the Wii launched Win95, an HD2 launched Win95, etc... Why an HD2 could not launch Win7?
Maybe it could, but that wouldn't make it any close to being useable. x86 PC and ARM are different architectures, so emulation is needed to run a PC OS on an ARM device like the HD2... which is awfully slow.
Imagine taking your 10-15 year old PC and try to run win7 on it.
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if you came here only to write stupid things you can go on iPhone.com...
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OMG, this guy cracks me up! Sooo funny!!
oh my god johnk1973 have a realistic autoportrait of himself...
maybe an explanation like kilrah's one would be better than your crap johnk1973...
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oh my god johnk1973 have a realistic autoportrait of himself...
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I can't help the way i look, i've got a cold at the moment if you don't mind.
Seriously though, I've been here a long time and that was a stupid question, especially for your first post. You spent more time writing it than you did on ANY type of research or use of common sense. You might as well asked if you could install it on a nokia (or iphone).
I honestly thought he ment win phone 7 series at first.
You want to run the latest win OS on your phone...
Everything would be so small!
first i don't have iPhone nor Nokia (I really dislike those two)...
Then, yes i want to try windows Seven to try it on a capacitive screen, to see if it could adapt on a WVGA screen, etc... I only want to see if it is possible, not to use everyday... someone installed ubuntu on his phone, someone installed Windows 95 on his wii, ... It could be funny to see it running...
Finally johnk1973, someone said in the past "when you don't know something... just shut up!!!" so maybe you could think about this...
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Finally johnk1973, someone said in the past "when you don't know something... just shut up!!!" so maybe you could think about this...
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If you EVER find anyone installing and running windows 7 on their HD2 then get back in contact, maybe then you can imply you know more than me..
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ok this is serious and possible, if you came here only to write stupid things you can go on iPhone.com... for others who are interested you can stay... after all the Wii launched Win95, an HD2 launched Win95, etc... Why an HD2 could not launch Win7?
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Serious question? Really? Okay. Here's a serious answer. No. It will not work. Totally forget about it - 100% forget about it.
Incidentally, you're being ridiculously rude for a noob. Chill out and stop insulting people. Just because someone offends you by not being serious, doesn't mean it's okay for you to name-call back at them.
Finally, I read some very good advice somewhere...
yamimillenium said:
someone said in the past "when you don't know something... just shut up!!!" so maybe you could think about this...
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Maybe you should take that advice before asking dumb questions that turn into trollfests and flamewars.
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Maybe it could, but that wouldn't make it any close to being useable. x86 PC and ARM are different architectures, so emulation is needed to run a PC OS on an ARM device like the HD2... which is awfully slow.
Imagine taking your 10-15 year old PC and try to run win7 on it.
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I agree!!! Some things are possible, while others....let's just say impossible xD
johncmolyneux you're acting like johnk1973... you say no without saying why... maybe 'cause you don't know either... so don't post here, you're acting for nothing... your "serious" answer is not serious...
johnk1973 i didn't say that i know more, i said if tou don't know don't fill this topic...
At the last look nearly 600 different people have viewed this thread and not one person has said you can install Windows 7 on a HD2. Only one person said it's possible if someone was to write an emulation program to do it, and he's right but there is no such program. This would be a massive task and pointless as the processor in the HD2 is not capable of running both the emulation and Windows 7 at the same time, maybe in 10 years (? anyone). Don't confuse the 1Ghz processor in the HD2 as being ANYTHING close to a 1Ghz in a PC.
Dear HTC
I on behalf of the xda-developer fourm would like to request a new device to succed the HTC Uniersal / XDA Exec.
We would like it to have:
GPS
Touch Flow 3D
Accelerometer
3.5 Audio Jack
full 62 QWERTY Keybaord
Bluetooth
WifI
GPRS
3G
Wireless Router Setting
SD/SDHC Card Compatibility
ROM: 512 MB
RAM: 256 MB
5gb Internal Storage
5mp Camera
Video Calling Camera
2.8-inch TFT - LCD touch screen =]
If you could do this, We would all be very greatful
Thannk You
Mr Simon Lee
Simon_WM - Xda-dev user name
the repley i got from HTC:
Dear Simon Thank you for your feedback, I will forward this request to the relvant people. Best regards, (EU team) HTC
Great Simon!!
Hope this letter make a difference
Perhaps later, if this is moving forwards a signed letter by all of the ones interested could help...
Hi Orb,
have just checked the HTC messenger question desk thing, and havent got a reply yet
but all is not lost, i've asked for a progress report and will keep you posted.
Also if it gets threw, ill open an Offical thread of what we want in the new device! and names and stuff..
but for now am praying like no tomorrow =]
Great!
Keep us posted so we can help
You bet =]
I have gotten no information back regarding this, but it has been forwarded and hopefully we will get some information soon. Best regards, HTC
just got this today
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Hi Orb,
have just checked the HTC messenger question desk thing, and havent got a reply yet
but all is not lost, i've asked for a progress report and will keep you posted.
Also if it gets threw, ill open an Offical thread of what we want in the new device! and names and stuff..
but for now am praying like no tomorrow =]
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I have gotten no information back regarding this, but it has been forwarded and hopefully we will get some information soon. Best regards, HTC
just got this today
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Post when you have an update.
Wi will be aware of it
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Post when you have an update.
Wi will be aware of it
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yesh i know... Just wanted to let you know whats happening with HTC...
but if anything else comes it'll be up here ASAP
I hope you get somewhere!
I'd actually like just a revamped version of the existing phone!
Same case/keyboard/screen (or SLIGHTLY larger) just:
Faster CPU
More memory
HSDPA
USB host
VGA out
SSD
Possibly dual-boot to Windows XP(/7)/Windows Mobile
Higher gain antenna
That for me would make the PERFECT device.
cant run xp and wm on the same device, not without actually creating 2 devices. different processor architecture.
well,
i'm waiting for a reply from the HTC dudes.
so well wait and see
cheapusenet said:
cant run xp and wm on the same device, not without actually creating 2 devices. different processor architecture.
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So the other HTC devices that dual-boot don't exist?
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So the other HTC devices that dual-boot don't exist?
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Yeah,
Basically what OS Do we want?
Windows Mobnile 6.5
Windows Mobile 6.5.3
Windows Mobile 6.1 touchflow like Toudh HD touch ROM?
or
Andriod/?
Both
Android - WP7 or at least 6.5.X
Ok,
So Andriod or WM 6.5.x
then an OEM upgrade to WM7
What do you think?
dont get it! htc app on dell? get a htc
ajftl said:
dont get it! htc app on dell? get a htc
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Yes, this is a hard decision. But I truly love portrait KB. I can type with two hands or one depending on the situation. I don't need super wide keys.
I have had two BB Pearls in the past, and when I had them I thought the landscape KB was going to be awesome. I have had a G1 now for two years with it's landscape KB. I develop iPhone apps, among other things, so with it's virtual KB and the android KB (iPhone sucks without swype lol) I have logged many hours with all the KB types.
Some messages or responses are long, some medium, and some short. With a portrait Slide KB I can use whatever medium I want.
Wow, and the Dell is sexy as hell.
So HD7 has 4.3 inch screen and Dell has 4.1. I'm still leaning towards the Dell
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What do you think?
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You won't be able to without some sort of hacking, as the manufacturer-specific apps are part of the OEM "differentiation" that Microsoft is promoting.
Why? Is there anything actually worth having? Applications with pointless eye-candy, why would anyone want those?
efjay said:
Why? Is there anything actually worth having? Applications with pointless eye-candy, why would anyone want those?
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Lol, just thought about the other end of the spectrum. Command line phone.
Call ########## -gc -speaker -vol:75
I guess could just write a script if I used it often enough...
Yeah, I like the HTC fluff.
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Lol, just thought about the other end of the spectrum. Command line phone.
Call ########## -gc -speaker -vol:75
I guess could just write a script if I used it often enough...
Yeah, I like the HTC fluff.
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I'm all for apps that look good but the HTC apps on WP7 don't really seem to serve much purpose at all. The animations take forever and there's lots more usable ways of implementing them.
May be for now htc hub is useless but later may be there is application added by htc that make differance
The Question is .. is all Hubs developed by companies can be easily move from one device to other company device
i liked the Dell device as well, but in a long run i will stick to the HD7 and for the first time in a long time i will be using a phone with out a physical keyboard.....
i will rather have a HTC device then any other as i like to try the goddies from XDA gods (chefs)...
and dell is not selling in Asia anyway... maybe as a second phone i will get the venue pro...
Having had an HD2 for a while and a Touch Pro before that, oh and a TyTn before that, I think HTC's software is just bloaty eye-candy at best.
The app store will cover everything you need anyway.
I like the weather app and the equalizer.. wouldn't mind having them on my Venue Pro.
The Dell Venue Pro would have been perfect (for me) if it had:
1) HTC Locations (/ maps)
2) HTCSense.com functionality
3) Flash (as per the HTC Desire HD)
All Windows Phones have HTCSense.com functionality built in... MyPhone
so, we won't be able to get it.
i'm sure there must be a way to unpack it from the rom and make a (how are the cab's called now?)...
cheers all
victor
vicie said:
so, we won't be able to get it.
i'm sure there must be a way to unpack it from the rom and make a (how are the cab's called now?)...
cheers all
victor
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This is the direction this thread was supposed to go, heh. But it got moved out of development general. Oh wells.
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This is the direction this thread was supposed to go, heh. But it got moved out of development general. Oh wells.
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I'd say it was moved from the Dev general forum because you asked about a specific device...
Maybe you could start a new thread in the Dev general (or Win7 Dev) asking about the possibility of extracting the Sense stuff and getting it onto other non-HTC WP7 devices?
yeah but what is the file structure like in comparison to venue pro? Is the application hw or sw based? and how do we recompile the container to install on our side?
we may need a jailbreak =/
I'm only guessing, but I'd say it's only software based and will work on pretty much any WP7 device if it can be pulled from an HTC one.
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I'm only guessing, but I'd say it's only software based and will work on pretty much any WP7 device if it can be pulled from an HTC one.
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I read a tweet that said some of the HTC apps are native... No proof though.
so, is there a new thread, or not?, cuse we might make work of it (is that english??)