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HI
Yesterday i just got my universal, it was long waited and i was so excited that i could barely unpack it ;-)
now i have been playing with it for several hours, and i must say im quite happy, my version is the Qtek 9000 and i dont have the some of the issues that is mentioned here with other brands. mine is fast clearly faster than my old qtek 9090.
what i am a little disapoointed in is more the new windows mobile 5, well i do like the new added functions, and i really like the idea of the new gps api and camera api. i hope this will give is much more software that support thise functions.
there is just a few things i really dont understand why Microsoft has change fx:
- Why has messenger undergone such a downgrade? i liked to have my messenger automatically connect when i got onliine, its not pssoble anymore and alot of other setting are gone also.
- Microsft has change the way memory works by locking the slider, so you cand decide how much to use for program and stoage, fine with me but why on earth cant you place your documents folder on the storage card and have activesync 4 sync it there then????? im i missing something here?
- Activesync is now version 4, in 3.8 you could specify how long back in time you wanted emails to sync, i syncronized 6 month back, in windows mobile 5 you can only use predefined values and it only goes 1 month back what is the idea behind that? why does microsoft thinks they know better than me how long back i want to sync?
But let me say again i am quite happy with my universal, i just dont understand the above changes. i thaoght higher version meaned more options not less :-(
The 9000!??!?!?!??!?!?
Aaaargh!
I must wait until the 11'th of November!
And that's a Friday, so I'll probably have to wait until Monday or Tuesday!
Do you know what supplier your shop bought it from?
I bought i directly from Dangaard denmark, im a registered dealer..
in denmark it was scheduled for november 5. but moved fast when i it suddently was on stock the day before yesterday
you have something to look forward to, i love it
yes yes ok i guess im a nerd lol
You lucky b****rd!!
I've been waiting for AGES for this phone!
Dangaard has it for 11/11-05.. It's a shame..
Dangaard is Danish, right?
Can't help you with your other questions, but I think I know the answer to this one:
abp said:
- Microsft has change the way memory works by locking the slider, so you cand decide how much to use for program and stoage, fine with me but why on earth cant you place your documents folder on the storage card and have activesync 4 sync it there then????? im i missing something here?
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The hardware in the Exec is different to any of its earlier relatives. Now we have persistant (i.e. permanent) storage which behaves like a rewritable ROM, plus a 'Programs' memory which is RAM. Your installed programs, files, and documents are stored in the persistant storage and will not be lost even if the battery is completely flat! This is a big step forward from previous models, in which everything was stored in power-dependent RAM.
In the old days you could move the slider to choose between allocation of RAM to storage or running programs because it was all one storage location in hardware. With the Universal we have two physical types of storage so you can't change how it is used.
I agree with the title of your post: One step forward and one back. WM5 is .... different. Not necessarily better from a simple usability point of view. They give us two soft buttons at the bottom of the screen to perform common tasks (which is good ) but this removes a huge chunk of usable screen area (which is bad ). IMHO the benefits of WM5 will only be seen over time.
I agree that it is a huge advantage that we now have persistant storage, but it is really a problem that you cant move the activesync document folder to the storage card, there is not much memory in the internal storage ram in the new version to save data, so if you have fx. a excel document you like to have sync and use on both desktop and pocket pc then you would need to manually copy between SD card and internal memory. To me it really seems like a half finnished and not thought thoug solution they have made here
another thing i noticed about wm 5 and active sync is that you canot change the default folder (in outlook) for syncronising contacts. i tried the tools/options... menu that should give me many settings to do but no good.
and how about sheduling? do you get any settings for that? i dont.
maybe i do something wrong but with the s100 everything was a litle bit more easy.
I've spent a good while looking and i cannot find a file recovery/raw disk access program that's available for mobile devices, could be a nice opportunity for someone!!!
I'd do it myself if i'd got the time lol
No offence but form the title it looks almost like your offering a paying job. Maybe something a little less flashy next time?
Any way have you checked out an app called pocket mechanic?
http://www.pocketgear.com/software_detail.asp?id=12178&associateid=373
It comes pretty close to what you want.
The problem with file recovery is the fact that these devices use RAM or FLASH memory and not hard disks. If it's RAM (WM2002 / 2003) there is no way to recover the file once it has been deleted.
With flash, from what I understand it still might be possible but a lot trickier than with HD.
ooops
No not quite offering a paid job to someone lol
Hmm as for the recovery option obviously i need to learn a lot more about the management of storage on these devices, i'd assumed they followed the usual method of FAT/NTFS rules regarding storage and deletion ?
So once a file is deleted the system automatically defragements the allocated space to reclaim it?
Could use a lot more input on this, as i assumed it was just going to be a case of dumping the content on the device onto a card or via usb to comp using a basic read from location xxxxx write to location yyyyy
Any others care to comment ?
oh and device in question is an 02 XDA Mini-S !
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So once a file is deleted the system automatically defragements the allocated space to reclaim it?
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No, because flash "wears out". M$ have written WM5 to spread out the reading/writing randomly (kind of) across the whole of the memory to minimize "wear" and maximize the life of the flash. Defragmenting would negate this by concentrating read/writes to specific areas and because flash is solid state defraging is not needed anyway.
Right now i'm starting to understand, so i guess my question should be when something is deleted can it be recovered?
How long before the data is 'nuked' ?
The device in question has not been used since the deletion occured but i would still like to try and dump the contents of the internal 'drive' to see what if anything remains, is this feasible?
Thanks for all your assistance guys i'm on a learning curve here!
First, you have to tell us exactly what device it is and what OS it is currently running.
Like I said before, if it is a WM2003 device your data was probably in RAM and is lost forever.
Apologies i did state in my previous post that it an 02 XDA Mini-s or magician as it's known on here running windows mobile 5
Ideally all i want to do is read all the raw data from the machine either onto PC or onto a card so that it can then be analysed using a full screen hex editor/ data recoverer, i suspect the messages/data are still there but just with truncated headers/file markers
Actually, I should be the one to apologize, I missed that line.
Unfortunately, as I stated in previous posts, since your device has the WM 2003 OS and its main memory is RAM if the file was in the main memory, once it was deleted it is gone for good.
I think itsme has some tool for dumping memory (check the WiKi for itsutils or look for his posts) but I doubt they will help you.
Sorry.
Thanks will try using those as a start, i suspect that all may not be lost but i won't know till i can dump the affected memory/storage. The unit has not been powered down or used since and i'm hoping that the information i seek is still lurking there somewhere lol
Made me get me C++ hat back on anyway if nothing else !
Daresay i will be needing a lot more help on this one yet, i suspect the SMS raw data is still about somwehere and i'm gonna try find it lol
Moral of the story?
Don't lend your PDA to a friend that hasn't got a clue what they're doing!! (even if they are desperate!!)
wp4054 - investigate Buzz's grabit program on here. This may not be grabbing the memory you need, but it'll give you a good headstart on how to use the memory read/write functions.
You probably want to be reading other partitions, but the idea should still hold.
Frankly, it's likely to be a lot of work for a very small chance of success.
If the memory works like standard FAT, and they were files, it wouldn't be so bad. But the SMS data is stored in a database that is likely to be shuffled around quite a lot for efficiency, and so unlikely to be highly recoverable.
But let us know how you get on.
V
wp4054 said:
Apologies i did state in my previous post that it an 02 XDA Mini-s or magician as it's known on here running windows mobile 5
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That's not a Magician, it's a Wizard.
O2 XDA Mini = Magician - runs WM2003SE
O2 XDA Mini S = Wizard - runs WM5
Cheers Vijay i guess i won't know till i try!
I was just thinking that the memory behaved like a disk in that storage was not reallocated immediatley, will let all know what if anything my findings are, i wouldn't normally be bothererd if it was just the odd message but it was everything that was deleted, read messages which i wanted /needed to keep not just the ones in the deleted folder!
Thanks for the help it's appreciated
Glenn (who just realised he's not put a name to any of his previous posts! , oops)
That's not a Magician, it's a Wizard.
O2 XDA Mini = Magician - runs WM2003SE
O2 XDA Mini S = Wizard - runs WM5
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So does that mean i have a better chance of data recovery on this device??
Awesome! A Shift section of its own. Now if we can just get our hands on some working models.
I'm hopeful someone can crack the stupid dumbed down version of WM that HTC is installing and figure out how to get WM6 on this beauty. The two dumbest things I've read so far are that a.) the PDA side can't access the SD card slot (that's even more idiotic than not being able to access the hard drive IMO), and the SnapVue program itself. I understand their desire to save licensing costs, but the whole decision to isolate the PDA side sounds like a deal they made with the telecoms - forcing the PDA side to only interact with the laptop side only through the telecom's system (where they can charge you with a data plan) is idiotic. Personally, I expect to use this device as a stand-alone laptop and not even use the 3G/HSPDA - I've already got that on my Trinity and paying for two full data plans makes zero sense. If anything, I'd like to do a BT modem lash-up through my phone.
If anyone's looking for some ideas to hack this thing, my personal wish list is:
1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
2.) Unlock the SD card for the PDA side
3.) Unlock the hard drive for the PDA side (this would be HUGE)
Just imagine - you're on a flight, you watch a full movie on the PDA side off an SD card, using low battery consumption, then in the airport you tap into the WiFi and log into your work network to get work done, then later at the hotel you plug in and do some real work on the laptop side. Add in checking your push email on the cab ride to your hotel (PDA side, full keyboard) if you choose the HSPDA activation. That's my dream machine! now if I only knew enough code to make it happen! <grin>
Mike
Having been in the postion of carrying around (for several years)
a good data PDA (this means a Psion)
and a phone
and a Windows Mobile PDA (often an XDA so that makes for 2 devices total)
I have been waiting for Mr Shift to arrive since its first showing in early 2007.
In November the PDF manuals were available from FCC ... what a total disappointment. Did somebody from Apple join HTC? Did they close the architecure at every possible moment ... We need at least:
a) Ability to run full WM6
b) Ability to install any WM6 application
c) Ability to use it as a (very large) telephone
d) Ability to let the PDA part of the Shift be able to access the local Vista and a remote Windows machine
Many people (like me) use their Windows mobile PDA to act as a bridge from their work outlook (probably server) and their home Outlook standalone.
Currently my XDA's or equivalent forms that important link from my Work calendar, tasks and contacts, and my home calendar, tasks and contacts.
Any PDA replacement needs to be able to at least do that!
e) If using a 3G SIM and appropriate data plan then access via this to the Interweb from both PDA and PC sides.
The Shift would seem to make a pretty decent UMPC and it includes a keyboard, but as-is it seems the PDA function and the phone function are an insult to ones intelligence.
Sorry about the grumpy post!
we all
Hi,
No need to appologise.
I think we all feel the same about is.
The choises HTC made make no sence at all and make the PDA side of the shift nothing more than some kind of side-show.
Like everyone else I´d like a FULL pda side. With all normal apps (including office). Doing without phone capabilities might not keep me form buying the shift but if it has not got full pda functionality then it is totaly uninteresting. I would buy a small notebook with longer battery life. (and with XP for that matter).
So it´s time for the guys at HTC to wake up!
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
Pfeffa-rah said:
Hi,
Maybe they could make different versions? I would be willing to pay a bit more for a version with full WM6...
Greetz,
Pfeffa-rah
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How I agree!
Huib
I agree with everyone that the droned down version of this device sucks, but don't blame HTC. Blame vaporware maker Dualcor for their once great idea and not can't be found Dualcor PPC. It was suppose to run windows, and windows mobile and be a phone. After some time, they realized they couldn't do the phone thing and eventually the product, to my knowledge, was never fully released. HTC can't put the full version of windows mobile to due copyright infringment. Dualcor even stated it.
http://www.dualcor.com/
The link will take you to their website and if you read through, it was innovative and great and never really came about.
Can you truly blame HTC for doing the right thing and infringing? I would love for HTC to take Dualcor to court.
In an old saying that applies to dualcor, "either sh*t or get off the pot!"
Just my two cents. Flame away!
dont worry
hey we have a forum here (the best darn forum in the world) n boy we will get this device to perform as we want to. it may take time and help from the gurus out there but it WILL be done so lets just get our wallets / purses at the ready and hope htc release the shift this decade??
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1.) Get WM6 installed instead of SnapVue (may be a problem given the screen resolution tho)
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Uhm... SnapVue is just a name HTC came up with... what it *actually* is, is just a little DLL they wrote that overlays the WM6 taskbars so that you can't tap on them... I know because I've already gotten my hands on the relevant material and ported SnapVue to the Athena... what's more, I've also patched the DLL so that it doesn't disable the taskbars any more... assuming we can use Activesync to do our dirty business for us in terms of getting new certificates on the damn thing (failing that it'll be SPL hacking time) then it won't be a problem.
the proper Vista OS is interesting too... it's actually deployed in a bastardised sort of Symantec Ghost image type thing, but it weighs in at 8GB so there's not a bloody chance in hell you'll be seeing updates to this in their entirety.
Hey guys I'm new to this forum and everything that you guys do here(so if you could use a little patients with me i would appreciate it), but this forum has helped me to do some cool things with my htc titan, and for that i thank you. Now i ask you what kind of mods do you think will come out for the shift? There are some great developers here that can do some cool things, and from reading this topic do i correctly gather that it is possible to put wm6 on the shift, and it is impossible to put xp on the shift? sorry for the long post, but one last thing. What service provider and plan would be offered for the shift or what would be best for the shift?
I hope you guys don't mind me posting this here.
Basically, my HD2 can be VERY slow on mornings after being on all night, which is EXTREMELY annoying!
Am I right in thinking that a new ROM could fix this? I'm new to tinkering with WM but after reseting the entire phone and it STILL being slow, I'm ready to ditch it for the HTC EVO when it's released if this can't be fixed!
If it's a ROM thing, could someone please give me an overview of how it's done etc.?
I understand if not as this is my 1st post here.
Thanks in advance!
Craig
there is an app called cleartemp that will clear the cache after a few days of use this will build up, i have gave you a few links but as I don't no what version you have they could be useless,
If you are wanting to Flash you're ROM hope you like reading
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=609477
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=611433
and isn't the EVO out!!!!
wow, thanks for the quick response!
You're right, allot of reading Looks allot more involved than jail**eaking
Thank you so much for posting those links!
And even if the EVO is out, I'm an 18 year old student so I wouldn't be able to afford a new phone when I've only had my HD2 for 4 or so months :-(
Thanks again for the links!
Craig
I personally don't use custom/cooked roms because there isn't anything in them (apart from maybe raw WM updates or updates to HTC applications) that i can't install myself. If your device is slow and you are not 100% serious about flashing a cooked rom, have a look at the following threads. They sorted out my slow HD2 and then some.
General Tips and Tweaks: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=583638
Performance Tips: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=629388
Netrippers Leo CPU Speed: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=682663
Chainfire's Leo 3D Graphics Driver: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=592663
Also have a look at formatting your SD card to a larger allocation unit size (16KB for 4GB or less cards and 32KB for 8GB and over) You'll need to have a SD card reader for your pc to do this effectively and i would advise you backup the card first.
These tips worked for me and most of the tweaks are in most of the cooked roms. LCS is only suggested so you can disable the processor's autoscaling so it runs at full speed unless in standby.
I do also suggest on occasion that windows mobile devices get a reboot every once in a while (i do mine once a week). It is windows after all and windows isn't known for it's good memory management.
Finally, install Duttys Task Manager. It's linked in the tips and tweaks thread and will help with improving memory management. One of the flaws, imo, of WM 6.5 is that by default you can't actually close any programs you run without turning the device off. The reason for this is the "X" for close programs is now called the "smart minimize button" and it is the dumbest idea i have ever heard.
That should cover everything but i will say this (you can thank lunaticz0r for the following). If you take any of my recommendations (that is what they are..... they are not instructions) you do so at your own risk. I nor XDA-developers.com are not responsible for any physical damage or data loss that may or may not occur to your device or any other computer hardware due to YOUR actions
Thanks for your response M3PH!
You saying all that makes me think I have a defective phone :-(
Ive followed all/most of those tweaks and Duttys is one thing I CAN'T live without :-D
But it's STILL so damn slow :-( Mine needs restarting every day!
The only thing I havn't done is formatting the microSD card like you said...
I might give that a go tomorrow when I'm awake
h8196288 said:
Thanks for your response M3PH!
You saying all that makes me think I have a defective phone :-(
Ive followed all/most of those tweaks and Duttys is one thing I CAN'T live without :-D
But it's STILL so damn slow :-( Mine needs restarting every day!
The only thing I havn't done is formatting the microSD card like you said...
I might give that a go tomorrow when I'm awake
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Mine is about 6 weeks old and even with the tweaks and apps i was still on occasion getting UI lag. It turns out that if the media player or photo viewer in sense is looking for new photo's or music or even album art updates and the SD card has a small allocation unit size it causes a slowdown in the data transfer to and from the memory card. It would appear that SD cards seem to like large block sizes because the same tweak also doubled the transfer speed i was getting from my card reader for my original 2GB card (poor thing is so old it has a tantrum when i try and get it to read my new 8GB class 6 card) so it is definitely worth a shot.
One thing i did do that helped a little (but i'm pretty sure opera hates me for it) is i moved opera's browser cache from main memory to the SD card. It does mean if you want to connect your phone to your pc in disk drive mode or you want to switch memory cards you do have to make opera is closed but with dutty's TM that's not really a problem. I also removed all pre-installed 3rd party apps that i didn't need/want. For example, my HD2 came with co-pilot installed as well as google maps. You can guess which one isn't there anymore and that saved 15MB or so of storage memory.
Turns out the MAIN culprit of the slow down was Cookies HomeTab! I loved it and miss it now it's gone :-( But it slowed my HD2 down SO much! I can't believe how much faster it is now!
I'm ganna wait out until I get my 16GB microSD before I format it the way you said! Not much use doing it to my tiny 2GB that came with the handset!
Thanks again for all the helps guys!
Before I posted this, I did some searches, did some reading, and then hit myself with a big stick repeatedly for you just to get that out of the way!
First, I am old.
Second, I am new to the smart phones.
I have a HTC HD2 from T-Mobile. I was not able to get into the Android Market, and was wondering what I was doing wrong. First thing I read was about a SD card. I looked, and, Nope no SD card. So I will be going to pick one up tomorrow, what size would be best? Then I read about moving the Android file to the SD card. I looked and could not find a Android File. Hmmmmm. If there is a Android File, where would it be?
Here are the stats for my phone, maybe I can't load Android, I don't know.
It has Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional,
the OS Version is 5.2.21913,
Manial version is 2.5.20181424.0
ROM version is 3.14.531.1 WWE
ROM Date is 09/29/2010
Radio Version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version is 15.42.50.11U
I really like the phone, but thought it would be nice to get some nice apps from the android store. Any help, and advice is more than welcome Just don't tell me to sell the HTC and buy a Jitterbug phone!!
Thanks again, Bob
TMO US or EU?
This is the US version my carrier is T-Mobile.
to speak about what a good sd card it would really be useful if we knew how you use your phone. if you store a lot of files/folders/pics/roms etc on your sd card and transfer them often to your computer i would suggest buying a 8gb class 6 or higher but if you dont store a ton of info on your sd card and dont transfer your files over often you could get away with a 4gb class 2-4. you can get them on ebay really cheap, i found a 8gb class 10 for under $15 but if you buy a sd card off ebay make sure you test the card because there are a lot of sellers out there that have a memory hack which will make the sd card say its a 8gb when really its only a 3-4gb. i have not had that problem with any name brand like sandisk, trancend, pny, kingston or samsung.
Thanks for the info.
talking about apps i would start with appmonster..free on the market. it will backup your apks onto your sd card which i find very useful.
1 way i find cool apps is by looking at some of the icon requests. people wouldnt request an icon for something they dont find useful so i think thats a good starting point. another way is by going to the market on your pc, found here. i like it a lot better because i feel you can view it better, quicker plus you can hit the install button and it will install it directly to your phone.
i could give a breif list of some apps i like but what i like and what you like may differ greatly. there are apps that suggest other apps based on what you have installed but right this second i cant remember the name. i will try & find out and edit this post when i do.
AppAware found here
Appsfire found here
Best Apps Market found here
all of these apps will show you some of the best apps found on the market. it can be a bug to sort through some apps that are really a waste of space.
Bob Davis said:
Before I posted this, I did some searches, did some reading, and then hit myself with a big stick repeatedly for you just to get that out of the way!
First, I am old.
Second, I am new to the smart phones.
I have a HTC HD2 from T-Mobile. I was not able to get into the Android Market, and was wondering what I was doing wrong. First thing I read was about a SD card. I looked, and, Nope no SD card. So I will be going to pick one up tomorrow, what size would be best? Then I read about moving the Android file to the SD card. I looked and could not find a Android File. Hmmmmm. If there is a Android File, where would it be?
Here are the stats for my phone, maybe I can't load Android, I don't know.
It has Windows Mobile 6.5 Professional,
the OS Version is 5.2.21913,
Manial version is 2.5.20181424.0
ROM version is 3.14.531.1 WWE
ROM Date is 09/29/2010
Radio Version 2.15.50.14
Protocol version is 15.42.50.11U
I really like the phone, but thought it would be nice to get some nice apps from the android store. Any help, and advice is more than welcome Just don't tell me to sell the HTC and buy a Jitterbug phone!!
Thanks again, Bob
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Hiya Bob,
...a Jitterbug phone, huh? I think you're even older than me. As long as you're not too old to learn a few new tricks then... you shouldn't have any problems. You're going to have to have some patience and take your time if, by your own admission... you're new to smartphones. You have A LOT of reading to do.
If I'm understanding this correctly - You don't have an Android phone yet. You have a stock (as opposed to customized) T-Mobile HD2. It natively runs WM6.5, and ships with an eight or sixteen MB SD card already installed. It's not an Android phone. YOU would have to install the Android OS onto the phone first. No wonder you didn't have access to the Android market. If you're in the USA - your HD2 would have had the Transformers movies, and a number of demo WM apps & games, installed on the SD card. The fact that you don't have an SD card installed doesn't really matter. I would guess you bought yours pre-owned from some idiot who kept the card and didn't provide a copy.
(as an aside), I bought my USA HD2 pre-owned also. The seller (I'm guessing) kept the 16MB card, but at least he provided a 8MB card with all the files copied over. --- You're not missing anything that you can't get back. Much of it 'junk' but the movies are pretty cool.
I see you've already had some reco's on what to buy for an SD. Depending upon your media needs, I'd suggest at least, an 8MB card. I replaced mine with a 16MB class 4 card. It's working well.
Personally... I flashed my own HD2 with one of the custom WM6.5.x ROMs on this site. It's far better than the stock phones ROM. The only thing that can't run is the Blockbuster app (for silly reasons I can't get into here). What I really wanted was to be able to run the Netflix app... and this was accomplished by installing one of the Android SD ROM versions. It took me some time and research to understand just how... but it's all do-able.
I'm assuming you're going to keep your HD2 as a Windows mobile phone (although you don't necessarily have to). You could flash your HD2 with an Android NAND ROM... but that would wipeout Windows Mobile, and I wouldn't suggest that route for you just yet. Installing Android on an SD card isn't difficult... and it works a trick! But you do have some reading to do. Have fun with it. -Rob
Thanks for the reply Rob, Yes, I am new to smart phones, but am open to learning. I got the phone through T-Mobile, it was a refurb unit, and there was no SD card. It did have the Transformer movies on it.
I will be picking up a SD card probably tomorrow, I will be going with a 16MB.
So from what I have understood so far, is that the phone is not a android, and currently runs on a windows platform. So could I install Android on the SD card and keep windows also? What system would be running? I guess there is a lot to learn, but I am recently retired, and have nothing but time. If you have anything you suggest I should read, let me know.
Bob
thats correct, its winmo by default. i would take a look at this post which will explain all you need to know about flashing android to your htc hd2. also you can install RunDroid found here which will allow you to dualboot into either winmo or android from your sd.
Bob Davis said:
Thanks for the reply Rob, Yes, I am new to smart phones, but am open to learning. I got the phone through T-Mobile, it was a refurb unit, and there was no SD card. It did have the Transformer movies on it.
I will be picking up a SD card probably tomorrow, I will be going with a 16MB.
So from what I have understood so far, is that the phone is not a android, and currently runs on a windows platform. So could I install Android on the SD card and keep windows also? What system would be running? I guess there is a lot to learn, but I am recently retired, and have nothing but time. If you have anything you suggest I should read, let me know.
Bob
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(I'm guessing again - and I'm curious), If you see an icon in the Start Menu for Transformers... that's only a link to open the movies... that's not actually the movies themselves... but see for yourself. Click the link. What happens? The movies themselves are 1.3 and 1.4GB (gigabytes) and are stored on the SD card. If you have no SD card from TMOUS, where are the actual movie files? In RAM? In ROM? I don't think so... Let me know.
I'm a long time WM user and I won't yet give up WM6.5. I like it a lot and need it. I still activesync everything with my Outlook desktop, running XP on the PC. I haven't yet migrated to Windows 7 (and don't plan to for a while). WP7 on the handheld doesn't do it for me, but I wanted to try Android.
It IS very different from WM, and I'm still not entirely comfortable with it but I am comfortable with technology and so it's an ongoing somewhat fun learning experience. Android DOES have some strong advantages...
I think (guessing again - but I'm pretty certain) that Android would be at its absolute best running from NAND... but then, goodbye WM. And I'm not willing to completely rely on Android for my needs. Besides, I really do enjoy having my HD2 be a WM phone AND an Android phone, depending upon what I choose to do ATM. So if like me... you're unwilling to completely give up windows mobile, your only choice would be to run it from the SD card. I can only suggest that you start reading the Android subforums; specifically the HD2 Android SD Development forum.
Android would boot via Magldr or via a dual boot program like Exceller (which I use), from inside of windows mobile... you'll have to read-up on these things. Speed isn't a problem. It runs very well & fast. The only downside to SD is that battery life isn't the greatest. But so what? Get yourself one or two spare batteries. The upside is that you have two OS's... you get to have your cake and eat it too (if you know what I mean).
Rob
Thanks for the links, the Dualboot is what I thought might be involved. I will start reading in the morning!
Rob,
When I first got my HD2, I had it for about four months, and started having some issues with it. I had watched the movies on it, but when I sent it back I must have sent the SD card with it. I am new to this remember!! When I try to bring the movie up it says file not found. Surprise, it was on the SD card.
I will keep windows also, and run the Android on the SD card. I don't do a lot of fancy stuff on my HD2, but am still learning.
Bob
also with RunDroid you can keep many different android (sd) roms on your sd card and can choose at random which android you would like to boot. i would check out this link, it will show you all the android roms found here on XDA. i find it a lot more easier to look at instead of trying to go through countless pages and reading about each rom. the link will give you some basic info about each one like if its a sd or nand version, when it was posted/updated, if it has sence or not & some other info that could be useful.
htccraze said:
also with RunDroid you can keep many different android (sd) roms on your sd card and can choose at random which android you would like to boot. i would check out this link, it will show you all the android roms found here on XDA. i find it a lot more easier to look at instead of trying to go through countless pages and reading about each rom. the link will give you some basic info about each one like if its a sd or nand version, when it was posted/updated, if it has sence or not & some other info that could be useful.
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+1 (what I used) Great suggestion!
Thanks, The reading will start today, it may take some time, but I feel I will get there.
...and just a clarification. I'd also used HTC HD2 Android Roms/Builds, as a good place to compare and research different Android offerings. Ultimately, I went with what appeared to be the most widely used SD ROM. I don't know if it's the best one (that's always a personal choice born of trial and experience)... but it seems to work well. Honestly, I'm just getting my feet wet with Android. Not yet up to running multiple OS's on my card... maybe one of these days, so haven't yet tried Rundroid. I have flashed a number of different WM 6.5 roms. For me, WM is easy. I'm finding Android - on the surface, a lot of fun, but under the hood... I'm still somewhat dazed and confused.
All the links and suggestions have been a big help, I am still reading at this point. One other question I have is, when I start to install the Android ROM, if I screw up can I still just do a hard reset to be able to start over? I don't really have anything on the phone other than phone numbers. Basicly I have been using it as a phone, and light internet news browsing.
Thanks!
Bob Davis said:
All the links and suggestions have been a big help, I am still reading at this point. One other question I have is, when I start to install the Android ROM, if I screw up can I still just do a hard reset to be able to start over? I don't really have anything on the phone other than phone numbers. Basically I have been using it as a phone, and light internet news browsing.
Thanks!
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ROM's on the SD card, installation is on the SD card, so don't worry about hard resetting the phone... and even if you had to, it's all pretty easy. No worries. Read-up on dual booting and format the card prior to starting the process.
Thanks Rob, just got back from picking up a SD card, wound up getting a 8MB, no 16's in the store. Do I format the card on the phone or my PC? I assume the phone.