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Hey everyone,
I've decided to start a post on this cuz i haven't been about to find much on this recently released phone from telus (a canadian carrier). I currently have an HTC TyTN. However, the touchscreen is completely dead. Since this phone isn't sold by any canadian carriers, it's virtually impossible to get it repaired let alone replaced.
I've recently come across the Telus HTC P4000 which was officially launced by telus in april. I noticed the specs are very similar to that of the TyTN except for the following:
-A CDMA phone without a sim card slot.
-256 mb rom vs 128 mb rom
-64 mb sdram vs 64 mb ram? (**i dunno if the hermes ram is SD)
-a QUALCOMM MSM7500, 384 MHz CPU vs a Samsung 400 MHz CPU.
I'm thinking of selling my X01HT and signing up with telus and grabbing that phone. I could really use some feedback on this idea from my fellow Hermes owners. And could use some help measuring the pros and cons.
So far the major CON of going to this phone would be that it's slightly slower and looks to have ZERO upgradability in terms of OS, RADIO, or any type of rom flashing. Meaning no sweet WM6 upgrades from custel or jasjamming or any of the other cool chefs...
Here are some links:
http://www.telusmobility.com/content/clientcare/pcs_east/guides/htc_p4000/htc_p4000.pdf
-user manual (specs can be found here as well)
http://www.engadgetmobile.com/2007/04/17/the-htc-p4000-for-telus-in-the-flesh/
-engadgetmobile article on this phone
Any feedback or thoughts would be great. Thanks guys...
I din't know how much money you want to spend, but expansys do a good range of phones - including the dopod 838 pro (http://www.expansys.ca/)
I think most of these are phone only, without contract etc but I'm sure you can shop around for something with a contract.
Personally for my style of useage I'd spend out on one of the Hermes varieties.
You could also try ebay - maybe pick up a bargain 8525 or an old hermes to repair yours with.
Good luck
I just bought 2 HTC P4000 for some of our work phones. One has been activated so far, and it is working great. It is allot slimmer than the PPC-6700, which I had last year. I am a newbie when it comes to upgrading these things or doing hacks etc, but I am quite happy with the phone so far. If you have any specific questions please feel free to ask me and I will try to answer them for you.
thanks guys,
I passed by a telus store today to check it out. The lady was nice enough to take a brand new phone out of its box and run it for me. I got to play around with it for a while and here are my impressions which are mostly positive:
-the slid out keyboard seems to have some kind of power assist feature (not exactly but you know what i mean, think hiptop) which makes it pretty cool and easier to slid out as oppose to having to manually push up the screen till you hear it lock into place (X01HT)
-The HTC P4000 is virtually the same size except just as twelveca stated, it is slightly thinner.
-same white default htc bootscreen + a telus logo screen and wm5 setup. I doubt the possibility of any kind of upgrade unless there are some crazy chefs out there that get their hands on this phone.
-has FN and CAPS lights just like a computer keyboard!
-black keyboard, dark gray screen housing, and a bumpy pattern on the back for added grip.
-I checked out the device info screen and to my surprise, it said it has a !400! MHz CPU as oppose to the 384 MHz stated in the specs. 64 MB RAM, 256 MB Onboard Flash memory confirmed.
-From the few minutes playing with it, it seems to perform at the same level (if not better) as the HERMES.
-Doesn't show any signs of screen alignment problems.
-EVDO High speed wireless capable.
There ya have it, looks like i'm leaning towards buying it. Just have to get over the idea that i won't be able to upgrade roms (for now at least) or use sim cards...But other than that, it seems like a great phone.
Oh i just found a link to a "Complete" review of the P4000 on HF
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1153541
It includes points i forgot to mention as well as ones i didn't even know of...
Here are some of them (note these are compared to the ut starcom 6700):
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-dual core processor??
- REV A compatible (with software upgrade which Telus has officially announce they will do)
-more buttons on face and sides
-better one-handedoperation
-bigger battery
-better battery life
-better brighter screen
-better 2mp camera with improved software and settings
-AKU 3.3 which brings with it A2DP among other things
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P4000
Just recently picked one of these up and have had a couple of days to play with it. I upgraded from an Imate PPC (original 2003 edition) and could not be happier.
This is a rock solid PPC, only wish my GPS hardware was compatable, sigh.
I was a little unsure of Telus but after my fiascos with Rogers, i dont expect them to give me half the grief.
cool, i'll be picking one up probably some time next week...just gotta figure out how i'm gunna cancel my plan with fido and transfer the number over...
...maybe we can start a new forum for this phone when more people have it...
Who that knows as to unlock Telus or P4000 ?
HTC TYTN
ji1386, how much do you want for your broken TYTN?
TYTN
ji1386, if you want to sell your broken TYTN, I could use it for parts if unable to fix it. Send me a PM with your offer. Thanks
I have this phone basically since it came out from Telus, and I must say I am quite enjoyikng it. Best Pocket PC phone out, IMO.
This phone is upgradeable to Windows Mobile 6.....however, there is no confirmed release date on when this will be. Also, checking the HTC site will most likely get you nowhere as Telus will need to configure this upgrade to have Telus aspects on there, for instance, The Telsus bootscreen, the today themes, etc.
GPS in HTC P4000
The GPS in this phone someone post what u gotta do to get GPS working on this phone in Stand Alone GPS Mode with No A-GPS.
Since I bought my Polaris, a decision between Polaris vs Kaiser based on form factor more than anything and the fact that I didnt think the keyboard was that necessary, I've noticed that the Kaiser seems to be more highly regarded than the Polaris,
Maybe its me, but isnt the Polaris similar specs to the Kaiser???
I also dont understand why the 3D issue seems to be addressed on the Kaiser but not the Polaris - is there different hardware involved?
The Kaiser was here before the Polaris, so this issue was here bevor the Polaris.
But i can't understand why a such thick and ugly device can have so many buyers.
Borizli said:
The Kaiser was here before the Polaris, so this issue was here bevor the Polaris.
But i can't understand why a such thick and ugly device can have so many buyers.
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the keypad is what a lot is users want.
Its cheap with contract, my friend got it for $60 bucks, its well featured for a phone, and keyboard is great for text-ers, plus this phone use commonly along with the wing and blackberrys as a buissness phone. While the polaris is to me niche market phone since its marketing aspect is a eye pleasing form factor and gps. Plus intially at launch it was around $700 USD so it didnt garner much attention compared to the tilt which was subsidized through AT&T and other carriers.
See I was reading this thread: Polaris vs Kaiser
and granted it was in the Polaris forum (!) so it probably had more polaris owners, but the general consensus seems to be its a matter of choice (keyboard vs smaller form factor) but most users seem to agree the Polaris was a better choice mostly i think because of its touchflo performance which I've read in a number of threads, that its a bit of an after-thought on the kaiser and poorly implemented.
But then there's the issue of the 3D drivers which seem to work on the Kaiser but not on the Polaris...
The real reson it's so much more popular is because of AT&T in the United States.
Being that AT&T is the largest mobile provider in the United States they have pushed the AT&T Tilt aka Kaiser. The AT&T Tilt (Kaiser) has been very affordable per say in the United States, which is why it's so popular with US customers.
Around the world the Kaiser is sold by every major mobile provider. Also making it more popular.
The only way for me to buy a Polaris in the United States is to buy one without a contract which would be far more expensive then buying a Kaiser with a contract.
So the reason it's so popular is because of how much supply and availability there is and the price with a contract from a mobile provider.
Well I suppose thats a pretty clear answer - so thank you alltheway
So ARE there any spec differences between the two (minus keyboard of course) and if not why wont the htc class action 3D drivers work? I read on the kaiser forum that the Polaris is missing a .dll file but surely that should not be too much of a problem? or am I thinking too simplistically?
HTC said in an official report that the slow 3d performance is more than just a missing DLL file, which I personally think is bogus, because all they have to do is bridge the gap between MS's Direct3D/OpenGL and the hardware. They claim they'd have to do more software development than its worth, so they're not pressing forward in that area, but they are releasing 3D performance fixes now, and one ROM cook, udK, is baking that solution into his next ROM release for the Polaris.
So officially there is a solution out there for the Polaris?
Hey there.I am really interested in thid brand.I,d really like to have one.But I dont know much abouy its price.plz help me.and also i want to know about the life of its battery.Is it cool?or like diamond?
what diamond not good ?
The HD is sold at around 650 Euro in Belgium I heard.
+ 1000 USD - approx 28-29.000 Taiwan Dollar - 7.500 Hong Kong Dollar.
Not taken in account conversion rate but price index of last HTC devices sold around here in Asia.
You can see loads of info related to Prices, locations, release dates etc in the BlackStone vendor wiki http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Vendors
If anyone knows more dates and prices say it here
the life of its bbattery is not very good.it dies as soon as possible.and also the body of the cellphone gets dirty soon.
tanx 4 your replies all.keep smiling
Anonymous6372 said:
the life of its bbattery is not very good.it dies as soon as possible.and also the body if he cellphone gets dirty soon.
tanx 4 your replies all
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It seems odd that you would say this while like nobody on the planet owns a final version yet. Second, neither the casing nor the battery are equal to that of the Diamond.
Differences: Diamond has a 900MAh battery and the HD has 1350MAh which is equal to that of the Raphael. This gives you 50% more power and according to the specifications this indeed results in the added 50% which I almost agree with. Almost being that the processor and radios are the same as on the Diamond so should consume the same amount of power and that would make 50% increase accurate. However the screen is so much bigger that I doubt it, I expect nothing more than an increase of 35% - 40% and still that's welcome.
Now that my Diamond is configured properly and has the latest software, battery consumption is much lighter and I can easily last a day and a half with it, using regular mailing, some internet and some calling. When only calling, it lasts me two days. Turning it off during the night ups it to three days. A 50% bigger battery would make it last over 4 days in that manner, let's say 2.5 at heavier usage.
Second difference is the back of the unit, which is mostly matte and not glossy, making it much less fingerprint prone (only the front side needs to be polished all the time lol). IPhone and many other touch phones get dirty just as easily. What do you prefer? A matte screen would look worse and scratch much easier because it has a texture.
Looks like avg pricing in the Netherlands will be around 570 euros, which is nice Somehow the Raphael sells for over 600 everywhere in the NL...
In Mexico it will cost $1,400US!!!!!! and it will arrive till next year........
I am sure not buying here.......I asked a friend travelling to London to bring me one cheaper.
If only HD can have a keyboard!!!!
$1400 us?! wow... Tough bargain I just updated the Centralpoint release date as it keeps being pushed (29 oct now contrary to the 21 oct initially), probably to trick people into preordering from them. I guess they won't ship before the first week of November either, like the other NL shops.
Is there any seller in Usa for this phone
thxs
ilordvader said:
Is there any seller in Usa for this phone
thxs
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Check here:
http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Blackstone_Vendors
the blackstone is at 649,96 € on this french website : rueducommerce.fr/
it's not so expansive when you compare to the price of Xperia (780€)
orb3000 said:
If only HD can have a keyboard!!!!
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just what I thought, this device is absolutely perfect, will be the next Kaiser / Polaris (I think in terms of popularity they´re comparable).
If HTC just released a keyboard version as well...although, there´s the Touch Pro. And imagine, Touch Pro even bigger and heavier, wouldn´t even fit into my pockets *loool*
In Germany it will cost 619,- euros on Amazon.de
http://www.amazon.de/HTC-Blackstone...=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1223587885&sr=8-1
I sent my Touch Pro back, if I get my money back I will buy this one
m.schmidler said:
just what I thought, this device is absolutely perfect, will be the next Kaiser / Polaris (I think in terms of popularity they´re comparable).
If HTC just released a keyboard version as well...although, there´s the Touch Pro. And imagine, Touch Pro even bigger and heavier, wouldn´t even fit into my pockets *loool*
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hahaha LOL
For me using a beautifull/solid/big brick Universal won`t be a problem!
Hope HD w/key can be a reality!
P.d. By the way, Uni fit on my back pocket
I got a Diamond and on that I could really like a keyboard, the additional RAM/SD card slot/etcetera but I liked the Diamond form factor so much I went for that. The Diamond however is very small and as such typing on a keyboard is much easier than on the screen.
The HD however, sports such a huge screen that there is much less need for a keyboard. Also, I think the target audience of the HD really differs from that of the Pro, it is much more iPhone-esque than it is a corporate tool.
for the last few weeks I've just been planning on getting it here: http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=1464
£466.98 with US shipping (and tax) included.
what do you guys reckon this is in USD?
i gotta be honest tho, with a device:
being this fast,
having such a large screen,
having such a sharp screen, and
having such a sensitive screen....
so long as I keep using the skin htctoucher and i created for pcmk....i think I can honestly say that I will never even miss a hardware kb for a second.
I had a mogul for a while, then went to vogue (slow, unsensitive, small screen), and i only rarely wish i had a hardware keyboard...
jim256 said:
for the last few weeks I've just been planning on getting it here: http://www.handtec.co.uk/product.php?xProd=1464
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have you or anyone had experience importing RF devices into the states? I know the customs/FCC are very strict on importing such devices. I read somewhere someone (importer or exporter) need to declare the FCC ID on the form, if not the devices gets confiscated (that is, not returned to the sender). I am looking to import touch HD, but don't want to lose 800+ dollars.
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have you or anyone had experience importing RF devices into the states? I know the customs/FCC are very strict on importing such devices. I read somewhere someone (importer or exporter) need to declare the FCC ID on the form, if not the devices gets confiscated (that is, not returned to the sender). I am looking to import touch HD, but don't want to lose 800+ dollars.
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hmmm no i personally have not looked into that, but I guess I will be before putting my order in! thx for the heads up
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have you or anyone had experience importing RF devices into the states? I know the customs/FCC are very strict on importing such devices. I read somewhere someone (importer or exporter) need to declare the FCC ID on the form, if not the devices gets confiscated (that is, not returned to the sender). I am looking to import touch HD, but don't want to lose 800+ dollars.
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The best way to do that is asking a friend travelling to bring it for you, that way you don´t pay any cent.
Importing I´m sure depends of the qty. of devices you bring, if it´s only one, taxes won´t be that much. And US customs have a trusty/esay way of doing things.
I have the chance to by a universal for $140 or a htc/at&t fuze for $178. Did i make the right choice going with the cooler and cheeper device, even though it lacks the 3.2mp camera, fm radio, gps, g-class wifi, and smaller/slower ram and rom size?
Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!!
Universal is one of the best devices ever build by HTC, and to this date still on the top ones!
Go for it!!!
I don't have a UNI but have most of the other HTC devices. How does the data work on AT&T's network? Can it do Edge speeds or just GPRS? I don't think it has the proper radios to do Edge in US.
Thanks.
There are some American models of this great device, and I´m sure you can get it!
The Universal is indeed a great device. Not only does it work as a phone with everything one needs, it also is a great Windows Mobile device.
What I appreaciate is:
- VGA screen
- full usable keyboard
- pretty fast processor
- size compatible with back-pocket of my jeans, yet big enough to actually use the VGA resultion
What I miss:
- only 64MB RAM, too little for WM6.5 builds (or at least to use them properly)
- no GPS
- no High Speed Internet connection
- camera pretty poor and outdated
I got myself a T-Online Ameo very cheap and while this device features all the missing items, regarding the Universal, it has a major flaw: it does not fit in most of trouser's pocket! This means I keep it at home most of the days...
Newer devices may have equal features, better processors, RAM, etc., but they cost around 500-600 Euro, at least 4 times the price of a second hand Universal!
However, you should definitly checkout the new Windows Mobile models from Acer, like the M900. It costs £189 at Expansys and has some impressive specs.
Cheers,
vma
vma said:
What I miss:
- only 64MB RAM, too little for WM6.5 builds (or at least to use them properly)
- no GPS
- no High Speed Internet connection
- camera pretty poor and outdated
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- You can upgrade it to 128MB
- You can use Bluethoot GPS
- 3G is quite quick
- Yes, camera is pretty poot
blackSVK said:
- You can upgrade it to 128MB
- You can use Bluethoot GPS
- 3G is quite quick
- Yes, camera is pretty poot
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- I can't upgrade it. I would have to send my Universal to a professional lab, plus I would have to find the right chips. Not exactly something I could do myself, though I am quite familiar with soldering tiny things.
- I use BT GPS, when using my Universal, but it is not nearly as nice as having an integraded GPS module like on my Athena.
- The Athena features a noticable faster internet experience.
Not starting any discussion, just wanted it to be noticed, specially the memory upgrade. If you see how much it will cost you and then add the value or cost of the Universal, you probably might as well swap for a more recent device, unless you happen to get the memory upgrade done by someone you know for little money.
Cheers,
vma
orb3000 said:
There are some American models of this great device, and I´m sure you can get it!
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I don't ever remember it offered in the U.S.? What was it called?
Maybe you are right and I got confused with this providers thinking there were from USA:
Dopod 900 / Qtek 9000 / SFR v1640 / Vodafone v1640 / Vodafone VPA IV / T-Mobile MDA Pro / i-mate JASJAR / O2 Xda Exec / Orange SPV M5000 / Grundig GR980 / E-Plus PDA IV
orb3000 said:
Welcome to forums
Of course it´s worth every cent!!
Universal is one of the best devices ever build by HTC, and to this date still on the top ones!
Go for it!!!
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soooooooooo im guessing I won for picking up one with a 8gb mem card for 40 GBP on ebay?
Honestly, I dont think I do much to the universal, I also picked up a kaiser at the same time and that will be my main modding device, I just liked the larger keyboard on the universail...it really looks like something I could write short docs on the move with.
Great choice!
Enjoy your Uni!
Have a read on the Wiki
i just purchased a brand new spv m5000 for 150 im waiting for it to come in the mail. ive downloaded roms and software for it. im going to use it as a backup and a showoff phone. no one knows what it is so i can probably resale for more than what i paid for it.
I say for the price Unis go for these days, depreciating as any device would, and considering what it can do - it's a great device to purchase or upgrade to.
rambo6 said:
I don't have a UNI but have most of the other HTC devices. How does the data work on AT&T's network? Can it do Edge speeds or just GPRS? I don't think it has the proper radios to do Edge in US.
Thanks.
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I've used the HTC Universal on AT&T's network and it was just dreadful. Poor reception and only GPRS. AT&T simply doesn't support the frequencies used by the phone and the one that is supported isn't on many towers.
Yesterday my Uni died...
Camera is dead and I cannot reactive the sound in all speakers
But now it's time for a new cell phone. Qtek 9000...black is beautiful
Until there is no comparable device I will use the Uni
Just read Chinavasion news.
There is a device called myPad which looks very much as the X7500.
http://www.chinavasion.com/product_...-windows-smartphone-with-5-inch-touch-screen/
No keyboard though and lack of 8/16GB HDD.
I thing GPS is also missing.
Same processor, memory, screensize and camera.
Would be very nice if we can flash this cheap myPad with WM6.5!
Hi there,the O/S could be WM6.1 CHINESE VERSION!!!
Any idea if this is actually a X7500? I would like to get one of these and put Android on it.
PaulMdx said:
Any idea if this is actually a X7500? I would like to get one of these and put Android on it.
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My experience with ChinaVasion Support is that they are quick and pretty complete. Info they don't have they seem to cannot find.
I myself have no hardware programming of Android.
And "Cross posting" is not allowed here I think?
The processor, ROM, RAM, GSEN and wifi looks the same to me and things like GPS are extra chips on the mainboard so if Android will be build for X7500 I am pretty sure it will work on the Chinese myPad too.
Maybe someone with the right knowledge can mail Kayode Enunekwu who bought one (see below at link).
If you use iPhoneToday you can pretty much setup your x7500 to copy an ipad's home screen OS look and even use the same background image as the ipad. It works really well with the Advantage-- autorotates, displays icons bubbles with counts, etc
still the android port is what I am waiting for
Hi there,has any forum members bought and using this device myPad,would like
to hear some first hand experience
I'm having a hard time trying to buy one on Chinavasion.
Paypal is refusing my current credit card, then I've tried add a new one, but Paypal give me a invalid zip code error. I'm not confident enough to try bank transfer.
A huge 5'' touchscreen plus Wi-Fi for only 310?
I must not miss this chance.
Sorry for my poor English.
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I'm having a hard time trying to buy one on Chinavasion.
Paypal is refusing my current credit card, then I've tried add a new one, but Paypal give me a invalid zip code error. I'm not confident enough to try bank transfer.
A huge 5'' touchscreen plus Wi-Fi for only 310?
I must not miss this chance.
Sorry for my poor English.
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Strange, have you contacted Paypal about it?
I have bought a couple of phones and a car stereo in a few years from them and never had any problem with my creditcard and delivery.
I am no wholesaler or shop myself so could just have been lucky.
I would never buy with bank transfer indeed. No insurance whatsoever that you get the product or the money back.
I just ordered one.. the chinavision model is last years model.. the manufacturer is actually a company called QIGI (qwee-gee..) and the model number is the u1000 smartbook.. I ordered the newer model U2000 which comes with WM6.5.. should be here by next week..
pvanhaaren said:
Just read Chinavasion news.
I thing GPS is also missing.
Same processor, memory, screensize and camera.
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Looks like both versions have GPS. What's more interesting is the older version supports the 850 band but the newer one doesn't. I see one BIG problem with both versions - they only support EDGE, no 3G! I would buy one today if it had 3G. No 3G (or 4G), no sale...
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2328&view=1&c=qigi_smartbook_u2000
Just saw that the Athena is also called "Dopod U1000".
That makes the name "QiGi Smartbook U1000" even more copycat.
Would be bad indeed if there is no support for UMTS/HSDPA!
CSD is for Chinese market, right?
There is a "C-Motech Mangrove" with whopping 7" screen.
http://www.pocketables.net/2009/11/...indows-mobile-tablet-with-snapdragon-cpu.html
Cannot find an international shop yet. Any tips?
Hee Hee!! I ordered one and mine will be here tommorrow!! I ordered the u2000 which is the current one with wm6.5.. I dont care about 3g support because there actually isnt that many 3g towers where I live so I use edge anyway.. I'll let ya know when its here!
@vinski208
May I ask where you have orderred your u2000? I have search the net but only got news about the u2000, no shops to order!
BK
Hi vinski208
would also like to know where you order your unit,understand that there is a new
device just lunch U3000 (article was in Chinese)
Hi guys
so r there any news / reports about this new toy?
rgds
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Hi all,
I couldn't resist and bought one off ebay..arrived today and it looks pretty sturdy for a china made device.
Problem is I've been trying to charge it for the last 3 hours and it doesn't seem to wanna charge..
I'll leave this charging overnight and if it doesn't charge in the morning, I'll have to return this for a replacement..quite annoying!
ROM U1000
http://www.iqigi.com/viewthread.php?tid=4508&extra=page=1
bad battery
Hi guys! I also bought and received on monday a u2000. Everything works fine, except the battery... few calls, some reading in word = battery down in 3 hours. Next day, not using it , except 1 call, battery down in 6 hours.
I don't know what to do... a replacement of the battery, a refund...I just want the battery to last for 12-14 hours.
How long does your battery last?
What is your advice?
Please respond to this message as soon as you can.
Thank you very much!