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Unstable AT-command replies from GSM-radio

I'm programming on a program that uses cell broadcast messages to determine your position. (http://gknavigation.de) - It was a project at "youth research" this year.
It is based on an idea of W.Back...
Now I want to get rid of a external gsm phone at the position determination, because the new Pocket PC Phone Edition have a integrated radio functionality.
I've written a small terminal-prog. for the XDA (http://gknavigation.de/beta.htm), which let's you sent modem-command into the gsm and recieve replies.
On the XDA2 it is working well until the line "AT command interpreter ready" is displayed on the terminal. After that common AT-commands like "AT+CBC" won't work any longer, and result with an "ERROR".
The line (and the errors as result) seems to apear after a few seconds the port is open.
I think I have opened the port and initialized the shared use of the gsm serial communication well. :?
Check out that Sourcecode please:
The .DLL-file-project, which is written in C++ and opens/closes the port:
http://mcflown.net/eVC/XDAcom_func/
The visual basic project, which is for reading and writing operations, and user interface:
http://mcflown.net/eVB/XDAterm/
Greeting and sorry for the hopfully not thaaat bad englisch!
F. Wetzel[/url]

Hasn't really nobody any suggestions?
:?
Florian

Summary
Hi,
Just wanted to let you know that I will have alook and see what I can do
for you.
Have you got a break down of what you are trying to achieve
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A summ ups are written in German, sorry!
But i will try to describe it briefly:
My prog recieves the messages of the cell broadcast channel 221 by a mobile
phone connected via any inteface. (Bluetooth, IrDA, RS-232)
In Germany this channel contents data about the position and sending
direction of the mobile (fix installed) stations. With some (or many) tricks
i'm able to determinate your own own position up to a 50 meters. (in best
case - depending on the number of installed stations)
This is drawn on a map.
The prog is running under PPC and PC, but the PC version is less
interesting, because the PPC is more portable.
Newerdays, the PPCs have a integrated GSM radio module, so that it should be
possible to recieve those CB-messages vie the internal modem.
By that the users of XDA/MDA/... in Germany would get an alternative to GPS
for navigation/orientation without buying new hardware!
Lateron this prog is perhaps compatible with Tomtom. - I'm checking how to
do it!
Greeting, and thanks in advance!
Florian

hey xda internal access
Hey man i must say i respect you , you have done great work !!!
I am currently working on xda2 as university project and i need to access internal modem of xda ... so might need ur help ... i would wanna help u too and i probly will ... just letting u know i'll try a bit on ur prob and get back to ya ...
any advice ou can give me to access the internal modem ??
great job ! talk soon

On the XDA2 it is working well until the line "AT command interpreter ready" is displayed on the terminal. After that common AT-commands like "AT+CBC" won't work any longer, and result with an "ERROR". Crying or Very sad
The line (and the errors as result) seems to apear after a few seconds the port is open.
I think I have opened the port and initialized the shared use of the gsm serial communication well. Confused
Check out that Sourcecode please:
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after read your source, i think:
- set Sleep time between each other AT commands > 100ms for response time of GSM modem
- try to close the com port and re-open it before sending another AT-command.
- try to use only RIL port or COM2, don't open them and use them at the same time.

hey i read through the code its good but i dont see how u get "AT Interpreter Ready" in the VB app ... i looked hard !!! can anyone enlighten me ??

I guess "AT Interpreter Ready" is the answer from device.

AT Interpreter Ready is sent by device after radio resets itself. You should never see this reply.

ok - when i get "AT interpreter Ready" from my terminal it allows me to send an AT commands, so in a way i'm guessing that i should get it -
Indeed it happens when the GSM resets does anyone have more explanations on how it appears ???

i get "AT interpreter Ready", too.

Compile
Could someone compile the DLL and EXE and post them here in one zip? Would save me having to install Visual Studio !

I've managed to compile cryptophone for PocketPC 2003

I've build a version of crypto phone for PocketPC 2003. ( unsing the sources from www.cryptophone.de ),
with some workarrounds for license test.
I don't have two phone to test it yet. If anyone can test it please send feedback.
As i see it use data call as link layer so your provider must suport it.
PS: Who's testing it , please send feedback.

I've tested in my Qtek 2020, (XDA II, MDA II…).

Is it working? I was able to compile it too, but it died on exchanging keys.

mamaich said:
Is it working? I was able to compile it too, but it died on exchanging keys.
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Don't work. :-(

I have programmed 2 xda 1 with wm2003 and the crypto, it works perfectly. The only bug is the "file" bar vanishes after a call is placed or received, other than that its great. 8)

Can you post what you changed in the source file in order we could reply your compiled code?
The idea is simple, if we can have access to the original source code and can do the changes you documented, generating the same code as you, with the same hash value for the encrypted code, we can assure that your code have the same security of cryptophone.

dumb ?
what is cryptophone?

Hi,
i am very interested in this (or a similar) software for
the Wallaby or Himalaya platform.
Anyone here who has a working & easy too install binary?
(Or are there any real free & opensource applications like cryptophone?).
kind regards,
Ben

Has anyone managed to get cryptophone working on the XDA ??
... or find a similar program ??
Regards

There are several similar commercial projects. Just wait some time for their announcements.

mamaich said:
There are several similar commercial projects. Just wait some time for their announcements.
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Hi mamaich,
thnx for that prompt reply
I know about cryptophone.de, raseac.com.br & caspertech.com
Are there any others I have missed ??
Regards
John

2-3 russian companies are also working on similar projects. I don't know their sites.

cryptophone Somebody to compiled? for motorola smartphone mpx220 :?

one more company.
http://www.securegsm.com
and question - where is source download page on http://www.cryptophone.de ?
in general "cryptophone" application isn't difficult
- good vocoder
- some crypto
- good realtime data transfer - CSD for GSM network
- some audio components like AEC
could some one point me to good ARM implementation of vocoder with 2.4-4.8kbitps bitrate? ARM9(v5) PXAxxx ~100MIPS.
Free is preferable, but reasonable commertial offers are welcome too.

just a question,
isn`t it possible with the sourcecode of this software and the sdk for windows mobile 2003 smartphones to make a installer?
is very interesting, or?
is there any other software for ppc or smartphone avalable?

a free wm5 client for this should be awesome! coders go compile now!

is the encryption limited to "only" this version of application ?
- or is there some sort of standard ?

ryhor said:
one more company.
http://www.securegsm.com
and question - where is source download page on http://www.cryptophone.de ?
in general "cryptophone" application isn't difficult
- good vocoder
- some crypto
- good realtime data transfer - CSD for GSM network
- some audio components like AEC
could some one point me to good ARM implementation of vocoder with 2.4-4.8kbitps bitrate? ARM9(v5) PXAxxx ~100MIPS.
Free is preferable, but reasonable commertial offers are welcome too.
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here
http://www.cryptophone.de/support/downloads/downloads.html

Lord Ashmedai said:
I've tested in my Qtek 2020, (XDA II, MDA II…).
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Hi, did you manage to get it to work?
I tried on my O2 xda... it hung on the key exchange part...

It concerns me that this program starts two processs, spcore.exe and ui2003.exe. I have not looked over the code, but can you tell me why it must use two. Furthermore once they are going there is no way to stop the spcore.exe. My guess is that if that process contains the thread that is waiting for tapi events, its stopping mechanism has not been implemented properly. If you want to make a thread that is waiting for the event for line state then when the user wants to stop the thread/process, the event interest needs to be reset. eg SetCommMask(hSerialHandle,0); ,but it must be done from the ui thread not the waiting thread because obviously the waiting thread cant do anything. Once it is set to 0 (as apposed to EV_RXCHAR for example) the waiting thread will finish waiting imeadiately.
I tried sending a message to destroy the window with no effect, I then tried using terminatethread to stop it but that did not work so it must be in an api call (such as waiting).
On my mini it starts up ok, and dose not interfear with the phone. I could not test the functionality because the only other phone I had with me was my xda and it dose not install corectly on that. No error messages on intalation but the icon in the program files is not shown properly and it fails when I try to start it.

CellTracker Alternative

I don't know where else to post this....I found this while looking for an alternative to the SPV Developers CellTracker app. It's an app called NiceTrack...the screenshots tell the rest of the story:
http://www.nicecuppa.com/nicetrack.asp
Background info: http://www.ascendingangels.com/nicecuppa.com/nicetrack.asp?story=1
Screenshots: http://www.ascendingangels.com/nicecuppa.com/nicetrack.asp?story=2
Download: http://www.ascendingangels.com/nicecuppa.com/nicetrack.asp?story=3 (Version 1.2)
The source code for that app can also be downloaded from the Background Info link.
The SPV Developers CellTracker app (Beta version only, hasn't been updated since December) for PocketPCs is located at the way bottom of the page:
http://www.thelogster.34sp.com/celltracker/
NiceTrack updates the tower changes in real-time whereas CellTracker does not. NiceTrack also shows the dbm signal strength on a cool chart and it also includes a logging function that allows you to rename the cells your phone has connected to while the app is active.
Signal strength chart: http://www.ascendingangels.com/nicecuppa.com/images/nicetrack/main-page.gif
Here are a couple hints based on my experience so far:
1) In order to fully save the renamed/logged cell sites, you must first tap Save next to where you renamed the cell site. Then you must also tap Options/Menu --> Save (extreme lower left) to save all changes since the app was launched.
2) Use Menu --> Exit to completely close the app.
I have tested this for use on my MDA II w/Windows Mobile 2003. I don't know if the app is compatible with WM5 PPCs or regular Windows Mobile smartphones.
Enjoy

Thanks for posting.
This software has been discussed before, and it is great:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=3347&highlight=nicetrack
However, I believe people are having difficulty converting it to WM5 (when I last checked). But great stuff either way.
V

Hi there,
Sharpstuff (NiceTrack author) here..
I've just bought a T-Mobile MDA Vario and have managed to get it working on that ( WM2005 )
The problem was that in the older phones the GSM modem was on COM2 and on my Vario it's now COM9. I've made the Com port configurable now, but it's still not 100%.
You can download it from my site www.nicecuppa.net
Let me know how y'all get on.
Cheers
-sharpstuff

Good stuff sharpstuff Wish I had a gps!
V

sharpstuff said:
Hi there,
Sharpstuff (NiceTrack author) here..
I've just bought a T-Mobile MDA Vario and have managed to get it working on that ( WM2005 )
The problem was that in the older phones the GSM modem was on COM2 and on my Vario it's now COM9. I've made the Com port configurable now, but it's still not 100%.
You can download it from my site www.nicecuppa.net
Let me know how y'all get on.
Cheers
-sharpstuff
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Sharpstuff, you have an excellent app here. I had to search for a bit to find it but in the end, I'm quite glad to have it . I also like the pun you have for your site...it's quite distinctive since even as a German-American, I know when someone says "cuppa", they normally mean the cup of tea .
Keep up the good work and thanks for taking the time to develop such a great and invaluable app .

oooh.. *bookmark*
Do you have a regular Donate button somewhere? I see the shop, but I'd rather just get X amount straight to you, and not have to be awoken by some crazy delivery guy at 8am for a mug

Thanks for the kind thought...
But, I enjoy doing this stuff, so just click my google ads and I'm happy!
;-)

Got this to work on my 8125, almost... Clicking on 'add' under events causes it to crash with the following error:
NiceTrack.exe
NullReferenceException
Application::Run+0xf
MainForm::Main+0xa
....bummer - so close!

You need to select an event type eg. "Flash backlight" then click "add"..
Needs some validation there.. Plus, the events side of things isn't very useful at the moment, I need to implement some more event types.
Cheers

I installed it on my qtek9100 but it doesn't find a GSM-modem at all.

Also a Qtek9100, EN - found it on COM9 just fine

What would be really neat would be an event "Show Picture". That way it would be easy to make a make-shift map tracking thing. Simply grab a picture of the map off the internet, plunge a big dot on the map where you got the cell, save as image, and have that image displayed when entering that cell %) GIF files on the storage card, shouldn't take up too much space
Alternatively a full-fledged mapping thing could be developed, but that's a lot more work *nod*

@sharpstuff hey I installed it on my XDA EXEC, but when it scans for com and reaches com9 it just freezes...any ideas?

Hi there,
I'm having some problems with the detection code, and general functionality on WM5.
I am looking into it and will post a new version up ASAP, sorry for the problems..

stop being sorry and add that donate button *keeps clicking google ads once a day but hopes google won't start ignoring his IP address for excessive clicking...*

N!co said:
I installed it on my qtek9100 but it doesn't find a GSM-modem at all.
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After a soft reset its working fine on COM9. Nice app.!

sharpstuff said:
Hi there,
I'm having some problems with the detection code, and general functionality on WM5.
I am looking into it and will post a new version up ASAP, sorry for the problems..
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So is Release 1.3b a partial fix for WM5 users? I installed it on my MDA II and it detects my modem on COM2 without any problems. Both 1.2 and 1.3 seem to work on WM2003 PPCs.
http://www.nicecuppa.net/
http://www.nicecuppa.com/download/NiceTrack_Release_1_3.zip
TIA

Yep, it's an intermediate release. Basically, it reminds the user on startup to set the Com port in settings
I'm working on v1.4 at present, this has more error checking on the GSM code, and multi-threaded com port detection so the whole app doesn't hang

For what it's worth - it seems to randomly lock up on me - requires an 'end task'. Sometimes when this happens, and I try to fire it back up again, I just get an empty message box dialog; no title, just the close button.

ZeBoxx said:
For what it's worth - it seems to randomly lock up on me - requires an 'end task'. Sometimes when this happens, and I try to fire it back up again, I just get an empty message box dialog; no title, just the close button.
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I get that messagebox at random even after I closed the app and its not in the list of running programs. Strange...

Sirius Website

Tried to get onto sirius.com to listen online through my 8525. After the sign in page i get some web error that said something about java. Is there something I can do to make this work?
Thanks

SiriuCE
Give this a shot:
http://www.emulamer.com/SiriuCE.html

Tried SiriuCE 1.16 and 2.0.1 no Success
I too am trying to run SiriuCE on my 8525 with no success.
I tried both versions above. I was able to run 1.16 on my 8125, but never tried 2.0.1.
I am also having trouble with Bluetooth Audio using a Motorala H700 on my 8525. Any help would be appreciated.
MardiG

Use Siriuswm5 instead. SiriuCE doesn't work on my 8525 either.
http://home.ptd.net/~cobra04/code.html

Sirius WM5 works great on 8525
Conqoror,
Thank you for the suggestion to use Sirius WM5. It works great on my 8525.
MardiG

SiriusWM5 works great on my 8525 as well. Had to get rid of going through Cingulars proxy server though.
Have any of you figured out how to successfully resume playback after ending a phone call? I have this option checked in WM and it tries to restart but I get an error code saying invalid id (or something like that). I then have to close WM and logback in to Sirius with the validation image. I would like to find a workaround to this.

GarrisRP said:
I then have to close WM and logback in to Sirius with the validation image. I would like to find a workaround to this.
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I leave SiriusWM5 running in the background, and when this occurs I just switch to it, select the channel again, and it plays within a few seconds.

Thank you for the reply. The same is true for me most of the time, with the extreme case being as I described earlier where I have to log back into Sirius and input the validation image.
What I am looking for is a way to have the device tucked away in my biking bag so I do not have to stop and pull it out to perform this task.
What I think I am looking for is a way to mute WM when I recieve a phone call and let it continue to stream Sirius. Do you think this is possible or does the phone use the same signal as the streaming being performed by WM?

You should be able to uncheck the "pause WMP during phone call" option and it will mute the sound automatically. If you're in a UMTS area you can do simultaneous voice and data so it would work just fine.

FYI
There is a new home for SiriusWM5.
The link to the support and release area is located here --> http://home.ptd.net/~cobra04/code.html
The download used to be on that page, but now it has a link to the new site.
Thank you for using SiriusWM5!
~Dave

Can someone post the file here. I hate having to register on another forum just to download it. I can't find the file anywhere else.

[UNDER DEVELOPMENT]Windows Mobile 6 Bluetooth and Wiimote

I am currently trying to develop some software that allows to use a wiimote or a ps3 controller (ex. for fpsece).
all in vb.net
I currently discovered that I am unable to connect. I have already found a similar project that stopped because of the same problem!
I have read that the problem is the missing HID/S2CAP support of 32feet.net
The other software uses BlueTools so there may be the same problem!.
Does anyone know something that allows me to connect to my wiimote?! Maybe some SDK with HID/S2CAP support?!
You own an HD2 and another WinMob device and want to help? Take a look here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=5553883&postcount=10

Sorry, i cant help you but i will love control a wii with my HD...

I am speaking of the other way round , but I could also try that ^^.
I am talking about to control your HD with a Wiimote
It would be easy, if there is any idea how succesfull connect to the wiimote

I have found something here: http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/31158420/big5bxf276hrqkrnsut.aspx
I will see if it helps

Mhh, to bad, I cannot find the source files I would need
They maybe in the "Windows CE 5 platform builder" But the Online Setup I was able to get doesn't work anymore

scilor said:
I am speaking of the other way round , but I could also try that ^^.
I am talking about to control your HD with a Wiimote
It would be easy, if there is any idea how succesfull connect to the wiimote
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Control your Wii with HD... It would be a great app.. if you can write it...
Thanks my Friend.

I was looking at doing this at one point. The HD2 with its Widcomm bluetooth stack supports BT HID, and the later WM6.5.X builds have Bth_HID in the SYS.
Pairing doesn't get you very far though. I found some C++ code for using the Wiimotes, but I haven't transfered it yet.

@l3v5y Why you have always the same ideas I do
The Bluetooth Stack of the HD2 seems to be a little bit buggy:
If I try to use a Bluetooth chat, it just works from my HD2 to my Kaiser, not the other way round. It is as my HD2 blocks all incoming Bluetooth connections
Any idea?

please setup a team , winmo need you
cheer

Ok, I have attached the Bluetooth Chat here.
It would be nice if other HD2 users could test it(You will need the HD2 and another WinMob Phone with a Widcomm Stack). Please always post the Roms of the devices, especailly the HD2's.
If it is only occurs on some ROMS, it would be fine, so I will do a Rom upgrade for further testing
My results where:
HD2 - T-Mobile ROM 1.43.11.2 (70315) Ger
Kaiser - Custom Rom WinMob 6.5
Message HD2 to Kaiser: Works fine, but takes a second.
Message Kaiser to HD2: Connection error, no message!

I found following in the thread of WiiMöb: http://wiimob.codeplex.com/Thread/View.aspx?ThreadId=10953
"But it seems likely that any purely bluetooth work was a red herring, and we just need to tackle BTHHID.DLL and devise a P/Invoke library that will get us a Filehandle to the device through the HID stack."

Hi everybody,
I'm also looking for a solution for that.
As I had similar problems with my Notebook (Widcomm-BT-Stack), I could solve it with a different BT stack. But I don't want to part with the Widcomm on my HD2.
I think the main problem is that the OK softbutton is disabled as long as there is no passcode in the inputbox. It only gets enabled if you enter somthing, which would never match up with the empty passcode of the WiiMote (somthing <> nothing ;-).
If the OK softbutton was enabled even with empty passcode box, the codeless pairing might actually work.
Is there anybody capable of unlocking this OK button?
Please
ScruffR

The problem is that the WM Devices misses a special HID driver . You may connect it with out a passcode with some tricks but this won't help because you cannot connect to the device

Look at this Symbian project http://www.symbianresources.com/projects/wiirider.php - maybe that will help. I got the same problem like everybody - can't pair device :s

We cannot connect the WiMote low-level easily, that is the big problem. If we could it would be easy.

...I'm assuming this has been abandoned? :/

Until someone finds a way to get a stream, the development is stopped

There is a way to connect to the Wii Remote with a WM 6 device.
The driver you want to look for should come with WM 5 and 6 devices. It has the prefix "BHI" it is not meant for production use, and it somewhat bare-bones, however you can successfully connect to the Wii Remote with it.
The registry path for this driver is:
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Hid\Hid_Class
and
HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Bluetooth\Hid\Instance
If you activate these drivers using the Win32 ActivateDeviceEx command (upon hard reset you don't have to do this), you should be able to open up a file stream to the driver.
Code:
HANDLE read_test = CreateFile(L"BHI0:", 0, 0, NULL, OPEN_EXISTING, 0, NULL);
Code:
unsigned __int64 wii_addr = 0x002659F4EEEDL; // BT_ADDR, 64 bits (8 bytes)
Then, I call the DeviceIoControl function to connect to the Wii Remote:
Code:
bool device_io_success = DeviceIoControl(read_test, 1, &wii_addr, sizeof(wii_addr), NULL, 0, NULL,NULL);
e = GetLastError();
Just replace the wii_addr with your Wii Remote's Bluetooth address.
The source code for this driver can be found by googling:
"bthhid.cxx source code" it should be the first link.
The set of APIs it provides is minimal, and I was not able to get any other function to work besides HIDConnect.
I'm still working on getting some sort of data from it.
Let me know if this works for you,
Mike

Could you send me a link to the source? I am finding any
I will take a look later, maybe we get it running

Unfortunately, I can't post the link due to spam restrictions (I just joined the forums recently). However, I have attached the folder that includes all the source files with this post.
This folder comes with Windows CE Platform Builder. It is located here (if you have Platform Builder installed):
C:\WINCE500\PRIVATE\WINCEOS\COMM\BLUETOOTH\PROFILES\HID
If you navigate to the BASE folder, you will find bthid.cpp. This is the main source that contains the stream driver implementation.
The main section of this file to examine is around line 2500 on down. These are the functions that are exposed when you create a file handle to the driver.
Let me know how it works out,
Mike