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I was just curious if anyone else out there enjoyed that kinda senseless "hobby".
I was so upset yesterday when my 16gb card died and I lost about 7000 files total, including some memorable pics and videos that can't be replaced. Just about every apk that demonoid had, my beginning database of wardriving spots (prolly around 4000 in less than a week), videos and pics from my vacation, and two "cool" videos. One was me filming outside my work one day when it was pouring rain and a lightning bolt hit less than a block away. Scared the **** outta me, heh! The other was me sitting in traffic and someone was driving the batmobile from the 60's and paused by me and I got it on video. :'(
Needless to say, I've started all over again with my driving database. Maybe I will get lucky again and be able to get back into some of the gated communities to map them. Btw, I am a delivery driver, so I am driving all around day and night.
Some people have some funny access point network names! A couple I remember were one named "slut" and another called "big black d_ck" (fill in the blank). Lmao. And the word wasn't the aflac bird either!
Anyone share this "interest" and have any tales to tell while out driving of anything unusual or funny?
i havnt done that in years, but my phones wifi tether is called "sexpot"
herbthehammer said:
I was just curious if anyone else out there enjoyed that kinda senseless "hobby".
I was so upset yesterday when my 16gb card died and I lost about 7000 files total, including some memorable pics and videos that can't be replaced. Just about every apk that demonoid had, my beginning database of wardriving spots (prolly around 4000 in less than a week), videos and pics from my vacation, and two "cool" videos. One was me filming outside my work one day when it was pouring rain and a lightning bolt hit less than a block away. Scared the **** outta me, heh! The other was me sitting in traffic and someone was driving the batmobile from the 60's and paused by me and I got it on video. :'(
Needless to say, I've started all over again with my driving database. Maybe I will get lucky again and be able to get back into some of the gated communities to map them. Btw, I am a delivery driver, so I am driving all around day and night.
Some people have some funny access point network names! A couple I remember were one named "slut" and another called "big black d_ck" (fill in the blank). Lmao. And the word wasn't the aflac bird either!
Anyone share this "interest" and have any tales to tell while out driving of anything unusual or funny?
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I used to do that with my laptop. One time this guy caught me and called me an ass for trying to access his network when I was outside his house. Then he went on to tell me that I couldn't access his network anyway because he had WEP encryption. The next day I went back cracked his WEP key in about 20 minutes and gained access to his network. Amazing how much porn the guy had including the illegal kind. I changed his wallpaper to a custom one that I had that said he'd been hacked. After that it just kind of got old. More people jumping from 64 bit WEP to 128 bit.
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What is the best app for Android war driving on the EVO
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What is the best app for Android war driving on the EVO
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I would like to know this as well.
I am using "wardrive" from the market. I don't know if it's the best but it's pretty god and hasn't given me any problems. It will kill a battery pretty quick with the gps and wifi and 3g all running at the same time. I found a higher amp (1A) cigarette lighter usb thingy at bb and I just plug my sync cable into that and it's enough juice to keep the phone from pulling from it's battery and even charge it (slowly).
Keep the phone out of the direct sunlight while running the program and charging because the phone can overheat easily. The wifi ears on the phone are kinda deaf but sometimes that can be preferred. You'll have to practically be on top or very close to the signalfor the app to catch it. I think that way might be closer to where the ap actually is if the receiver is deaf.
I made an account over at wigle (google it) so I can upload the database to there and help build their map.
No, I don't try to get into other people's networks, I just map their locations. Hell, it gives me something different to do while driving besides listening to music.
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I use wardrive and it works perfect. LOL to the 64 to 128 change, I work in infosec and had to share that with a slew of my coworkers. Thanks.
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OK i'll bite. What is wardriving?
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OK i'll bite. What is wardriving?
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It's driving around neighborhoods looking for OAP (open access points) in peoples network. You would be surprised how many people go out and buy a router and bring it home and just plug the thing in without ever configuring it for security.
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I use wardrive and it works perfect. LOL to the 64 to 128 change, I work in infosec and had to share that with a slew of my coworkers. Thanks.
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You will notice a small difference in speed if using 128 bit wep. Because of the higher encryption it is more data to send and receive, therefor lower speed in browsing, downloading, etc., etc. Not enough to cause a ruccus over though.
I do this occasionally.
The Supersonic increases the fun factor significantly.
Has anybody determined the range of the wifi yet. I know it doesn't do so good through two or three rooms away from the AP. What about open airway? Anybody know?
WarDriving can be dangerous to a device tho I had a friend who tried to connect to a bank once and it did something that killed his laptop running windows instantly it made it reboot and he actually had to reload windows to this day I dont know wtf it was and I have been in IT for 15 yrs still his fault for doing it but never thought that possible!
i love wardrivers.
So does my honeypot!
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WarDriving can be dangerous to a device tho I had a friend who tried to connect to a bank once and it did something that killed his laptop running windows instantly it made it reboot and he actually had to reload windows to this day I dont know wtf it was and I have been in IT for 15 yrs still his fault for doing it but never thought that possible!
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Banks use custom hardware and software based firewalls. They are developed by companies that design firewalls. We're talking 1,024 bit encryption. I'm a network analyst and can almost guess that they had a honeypot set up on there trunk. Designed to invite the casual hacker to snoop and at the same time gather all his information, then report him to the proper authorities. Even throw a DDOS attack back at him. As far as killing his OS. They probably had a virus set to exploit any hacker that tried to breach there network.
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Has anybody determined the range of the wifi yet. I know it doesn't do so good through two or three rooms away from the AP. What about open airway? Anybody know?
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It's a PITA sometimes. I don't have any actual figures personally. I just know that it can get headache-y. It may be possible to add an external antenna for giggles...
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It's a PITA sometimes. I don't have any actual figures personally. I just know that it can get headache-y. It may be possible to add an external antenna for giggles...
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My friend came over with his new iPod Touch a few minutes ago and it can access my AP from three room away with no problem and my EVO has trouble at that distance. Apple sure does make some solid equipment. I'm a little disappointed.
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WarDriving can be dangerous to a device tho I had a friend who tried to connect to a bank once and it did something that killed his laptop running windows instantly it made it reboot and he actually had to reload windows to this day I dont know wtf it was and I have been in IT for 15 yrs still his fault for doing it but never thought that possible!
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Google must be really screwed , then.
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Google must be really screwed , then.
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LOL, Google seems to have their hands in everybody's pockets nowadays.
I just wanted to start a new poll about the performance of the GPS. This time there's also an option to choose a firmware version (*). For the best results it is adviced to participate in the poll after a few weeks of "real life" usage, so you can form an informed opinion.
I've forgotten to include the JF firmware versions. For this versions please choose one of the options for the JG firmware versions. Unfortunately I can't edit the poll. I don't think that this will be a great shortcoming for the results because the differences between the JF and JG firmware isn't very big.
(*) Because I think too many errors will slip in when one can indicate the firmware and the GPS opinion by multiple choices, the list is a bit long. I tried to keep it as clear as possible
(Mods: In order to make the poll as "objective" as possible, maybe it is possible to make this a sticky and close the thread. I can add a link to a new post where the results/finding can be discussed or I or someone else could place a link to the old poll/gps thread where there's already a discussion going on)
cant vote in your poll as mine is yet to be firmware upgraded, im running JF3, and my gps is currently running fine in google navi (as i siad in the original thread it does jump at times but it is still very usable), however my tracks shows this first statment to be abit wrong. so im still working on it and need to try and sort out the firmware upgrade i cant seem to work it out just yet.
btw i have had tis second working phone for 1 week 3 days now, the first was taken back after a week where it would just simply not get a gps lock at all.
I have original firmware, Android 2.1-update1(have only rooted it), and no have problem with GPS at all, for now.
It fix the signal inside my home, my iphone 3Gs not, not lost the signal and bring me at destination, always.
Regards
No offense, but whenever I see people praising the quality of the GPS by if and how fast they do get a lock indoors, I die a little bit inside... That's not real GPS fix you're getting, that's just aGPS at work.
Could you add JFx options to the poll please ?
I have JF1. GPS works most of the time, but could be better.
demusss said:
Could you add JFx options to the poll please ?
I have JF1. GPS works most of the time, but could be better.
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Unfortunately I can't edit the poll (maybe a mod could?).. As an alternative I suggest to vote for one of the JG firmware options.
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No offense, but whenever I see people praising the quality of the GPS by if and how fast they do get a lock indoors, I die a little bit inside... That's not real GPS fix you're getting, that's just aGPS at work.
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No, it is GPS. I have disable aGPS and removed the APN from data settings, the APN field is blank, because I not have a flat account with my carrier provider(WIND Italy).
And WIFI is OFF. It is only the GPS, sure!
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Can I suggest everyone goes on here -
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SamsungUKmobile
And promotes the GPS issue some more? They obviously are enjoying the positive press...lets see if they like some critical feedback as well.....
Well I've now set up my SGS with Copilot and used it in the same position in my car as I used my Iphone 3G, with Copilot, and I must say that the performance is extremely poor.
I thought the GPS in the Iphone was poor but it beats my SGS hands down.
firmware: I9000ADJF1.
That seems low compared to other posts I've read!
This really has to be the most ridiculous poll yet.
I've had problems in all firmware, although XWJM5 (as opposed to XWJM2) is yielding some hope for a fix. It's looking quite a bit better and is a lot more stable for a lot longer.
XXJF3 was great for a week then died and now it's so intermittent its ridiculous.
XXJG5 was better but had the habit of losing GPS signal and putting you 100 metres off and convinced it had to draw a track between your last known good and where it thought you were.
XXJM2 was better than that in that it took account of your speed and heading and never put you more than a few feet off, but it was still prone to making silly mistakes when it lost GPS signal.
XXJM5 is looking considerably better, but they still need to sort out locking onto Satellites < 20 SnR and more than 8 satellite fixes.
The reason I think for this is because of those things called Urban canyons, buildings, trees, etc, which have an annoying habit of destroying your GPS signal. A lot of other devices will cope. Unless you can see Satellites over virtually overhead, forget all hope.
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This really has to be the most ridiculous poll yet.
I've had problems in all firmware, although XWJM5 (as opposed to XWJM2) is yielding some hope for a fix. It's looking quite a bit better and is a lot more stable for a lot longer.
XXJF3 was great for a week then died and now it's so intermittent its ridiculous.
XXJG5 was better but had the habit of losing GPS signal and putting you 100 metres off and convinced it had to draw a track between your last known good and where it thought you were.
XXJM2 was better than that in that it took account of your speed and heading and never put you more than a few feet off, but it was still prone to making silly mistakes when it lost GPS signal.
XXJM5 is looking considerably better, but they still need to sort out locking onto Satellites < 20 SnR and more than 8 satellite fixes.
The reason I think for this is because of those things called Urban canyons, buildings, trees, etc, which have an annoying habit of destroying your GPS signal. A lot of other devices will cope. Unless you can see Satellites over virtually overhead, forget all hope.
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Thanks for your observations. Unfortunately it isn't possible to poll every single firmware version with the current poll functionality
Just did this track with a brand new SGS 16 GB w/JM1.
It was easy to vote.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...254,0.046434&z=15&iwloc=00048d2c278fbc21e8849
Still, as sjdean mentioned, I suspect that this issue is related to several factors and cannot be singled out that easily. I have to have one in my hands to believe it but now I guess I'll go to the store to get my money back home. Not that I don't believe that Samsung and Broadcom might end up making their magic work... I'll probably not have enough patience to wait.
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Just did this track with a brand new SGS 16 GB w/JM1.
It was easy to vote.
http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=U...254,0.046434&z=15&iwloc=00048d2c278fbc21e8849
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lol, as if a child tried to draw a route on a map. That's not good at all
Bynar010 said:
Can I suggest everyone goes on here -
http://www.facebook.com/#!/SamsungUKmobile
And promotes the GPS issue some more? They obviously are enjoying the positive press...lets see if they like some critical feedback as well.....
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just incase it gets deleted, here is my comments on the facebook page
Ghosty like all the others here im happy with most of the phone but i had to take the first one back as it would never get a lock on any gps satalite, the second one however is a little better as a least this one can be used to navigate, but in my tracks it is all over the show, please can you at least issuse a statment about... what the fault actually is weather it be hardware or software/firmware, as the most annoying part of it all is not knowing what is wrong, as if its software/fimeware related im sure people will hangonto the phone waiting for the fix, if however it turns out to be hardware related then there is gonna be alot of upset customers, wanting exchanges. i think you just need to clarify exactly what the issue is, saying we are working on a fix just anit good enough, especially when you are locked into a 2yr contract with a phone that only half works.
come on samsung sort it out, and give the general public some idea of what is actually gonna be done about this.
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as you can see i have not held back
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just incase it gets deleted, here is my comments on the facebook page
Ghosty like all the others here im happy with most of the phone but i had to take the first one back as it would never get a lock on any gps satalite, the second one however is a little better as a least this one can be used to navigate, but in my tracks it is all over the show, please can you at least issuse a statment about... what the fault actually is weather it be hardware or software/firmware, as the most annoying part of it all is not knowing what is wrong, as if its software/fimeware related im sure people will hangonto the phone waiting for the fix, if however it turns out to be hardware related then there is gonna be alot of upset customers, wanting exchanges. i think you just need to clarify exactly what the issue is, saying we are working on a fix just anit good enough, especially when you are locked into a 2yr contract with a phone that only half works.
come on samsung sort it out, and give the general public some idea of what is actually gonna be done about this.
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I don't have some severe problems with the GPS most of the time. ( I still can't reproduce the artistic trackings though I see all over this forum - although I never used mytracks, but always use another program for this). Nevertheless, I still want my GPS to be very reliable and the reports I read makes me a bit uncomfortable. I use it a lot for "offroad walking" and I depend for 100% on my GPS for this. I need the thing to be accurate. I need to trust on it. So yes, I'm also waiting for Samsung to come out and make a statement about this.
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just incase it gets deleted, here is my comments on the facebook page
Ghosty like all the others here im happy with most of the phone but i had to take the first one back as it would never get a lock on any gps satalite, the second one however is a little better as a least this one can be used to navigate, but in my tracks it is all over the show, please can you at least issuse a statment about... what the fault actually is weather it be hardware or software/firmware, as the most annoying part of it all is not knowing what is wrong, as if its software/fimeware related im sure people will hangonto the phone waiting for the fix, if however it turns out to be hardware related then there is gonna be alot of upset customers, wanting exchanges. i think you just need to clarify exactly what the issue is, saying we are working on a fix just anit good enough, especially when you are locked into a 2yr contract with a phone that only half works.
come on samsung sort it out, and give the general public some idea of what is actually gonna be done about this.
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I left a slight 'snotty' comment on there about the issues a couple of weeks ago, to be fair, they didn't delete the comment but they never replied either!
ghosty_uk said:
just incase it gets deleted, here is my comments on the facebook page
Ghosty like all the others here im happy with most of the phone but i had to take the first one back as it would never get a lock on any gps satalite, the second one however is a little better as a least this one can be used to navigate, but in my tracks it is all over the show, please can you at least issuse a statment about... what the fault actually is weather it be hardware or software/firmware, as the most annoying part of it all is not knowing what is wrong, as if its software/fimeware related im sure people will hangonto the phone waiting for the fix, if however it turns out to be hardware related then there is gonna be alot of upset customers, wanting exchanges. i think you just need to clarify exactly what the issue is, saying we are working on a fix just anit good enough, especially when you are locked into a 2yr contract with a phone that only half works.
come on samsung sort it out, and give the general public some idea of what is actually gonna be done about this.
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for those of you that remember my post on the samsung page, here is the official response from them:
Samsung UK Mobile Hi, thanks for getting in touch. Head Office is currently working on a solution to the GPS problem and we hope to have a solution very soon. Rest assured, this is a high priority task for us.
maybe we are getting through to them after all.
Yeah they seem to have put that on all the GPS complaint comments on their facebook page..except mine....perhaps I was too *****y!!
The GPS on my JM2 is just useless... no matter where I am, in my appartment or at the very centre of the city, its just unable to locate me.
Hi all,
I have used my GPS with sygic maps mobile 10 for 1387 Km and it works well!
Yes, when I entry in a tunnel it not immediately switch the screen from night and day light, it switch after about 50meter when already was inside the tunnel. This mean it is not 100% accurate but work well. Consider which has travel a street named "street of tunnel". In the same travel, the GPS of the my Iphone3gs with tomtom lost the signal always and employ many more time for take the signal again.
In city, have used POI features on the Galaxy S, and work well!
I'm "sorry", but cannot say "have a problem with GPS", because not have any problem with this GPS, for now. Some day ago has a problem with alarm clock, always have a problem with copy/paste from gmail and yahoo e-mail, but not with GPS.
For who interested, have the original rom, android 2.1-update1, only rooted.
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Does anyone have a fix yet? I turned on wireless network location but gps still sucks
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Oh my dear lord I just said the same thing. I turned mine on and I dint get a good grasp on the signal. I was just convincing my wife for the fascinate and went to show the vividness of the maps.
I went in front of my house but not much changed. Haven't tested whiledriving though.
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Does anyone have a fix yet? I turned on wireless network location but gps still sucks
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If I didn't own an EVO, I wouldn't think anything of it. The Epic takes longer to get an initial fix. Indoors, it usually gets no fix at all. Quite a contrast to the EVO. I hope there are improvements. I saw a post saying that the source was released. I find it hard to believe that there is so little buzz about something that was such a big deal in the EVO forum.
Roger
I heard the rumor that the GPS drivers in the Epic aren't up to date which is the problem. That Samsung fixed the GPS issue that was on the other devices, however the drivers are bad and Froyo will fix it. That being said, I can stand outside and have to wait like a minute or 2 before I get a triangular lock, then maybe 5 to 10 minutes before I get an actual GPS lock.
mine takes maybe 20 secs while my evo is almost instant. a few mins sounds like theres something wrong.
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You can't really expect GPS to work indoors.....
Even car GPS units won't work in a house well or at if all.
In other news toasters do not work well underwater. Maybe some phones can get a good fix inside, but for the most-part, you need to be outside to get a good signal. Sometimes I can get a quick fix, but most of the time it struggles. I don't have any problem with this, because my dedicated TomTom GPS can't even get a fix inside.
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In other news toasters do not work well underwater. Maybe some phones can get a good fix inside, but for the most-part, you need to be outside to get a good signal. Sometimes I can get a quick fix, but most of the time it struggles. I don't have any problem with this, because my dedicated TomTom GPS can't even get a fix inside.
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+1 My Evo and Epic, BOTH don't work well inside. My Evo takes 20 sec, and the Epic takes 25. Big deal.
I have to ask...how can one be (according to their bio) a SPRINT SALES REP and still expect their phones GPS to work indoors?
I must be missing something here....
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I have to ask...how can one be (according to their bio) a SPRINT SALES REP and still expect their phones GPS to work indoors?
I must be missing something here....
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Me too. I read the title of the thread, and I'm like you've got to be kidding me.
Straight from wikipedia:
The Global Positioning System (GPS) is a space-based global navigation satellite system that provides reliable location and time information in all weather and at all times and anywhere on or near the Earth when and where there is an unobstructed line of sight to four or more GPS satellites. It is maintained by the United States government and is freely accessible by anyone with a GPS receiver.
GPS was created and realized by the U.S. Department of Defense (DOD) and was originally run with 24 satellites. It was established in 1973 to overcome the limitations of previous navigation systems.
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Now I get it that there is a problem with the Epic GPS. But titling a thread like that is just asking to get smartass replies, lol.
It is really the AGPS/GPS relationship that we are looking to work better.
Reset my EVO open google maps. 1 second to location general. 3 seconds to accurate lock.
Reset my Epic open google maps. Well... this time it only took a few seconds.
What I think is going on is that the tower location isn't helping the GPS location the way it should. I'm sure it is a software thing. Still tons better than my touch pro was. That thing took all day to get a lock indoors.
All surfIII chipsets get a fine lock indoors. No need for a view of the sky. The lock isn't accurate, but it is a very sensitive chipset/receiver. Not a crazy post at all.
-Roger
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Not a crazy post at all.
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Not a crazy post, just worded poorly, and probably indicative of a lack of understanding of how GPS and AGPS work together.
That said, I'm very happy with the indoors AGPS performance of this device. It's all a function of how long it's been since you used the app. Wait 30 seconds from when you last used it and it's gonna be quick, but wait a week and it's gonna take some time to update the ephemeris... just like any device.
Obviously people have never heard of agps. Everyone in my store can get a lock in five seconds except for me in doors. Do don't call me crazy. Ive been developing for years now for vogue and hero and both had no problems whatso ever
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My gps wrks fine in doors and out. Mybe u have adefective unit?
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Does everyone but you have a defective unit? Alot of people who have the epic are reporting bad gps issues
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Does everyone but you have a defective unit? Alot of people who have the epic are reporting bad gps issues
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Mine works AWESOME once I got an initial lock it is now blazing and very accurate
Newer GPS receivers can pick up indirect signals (very weak) and give lock on for a fix--you no longer have to have line-of-sight to the satellites. My Epic is very slow to determine a position indoors or out. I'm beginning to think I'm going to have to return it before the 30 day trial expires.
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Does everyone but you have a defective unit? Alot of people who have the epic are reporting bad gps issues
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Mine works fine. I am aware of how to prevent problems with gps on my phone and made a post about it, but apparently I'm the only one who thinks the gps and time-without-signal bug are connected, when it's reproducible on my phone.
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I've played with 4 epics, and every one of them has had sub-par GPS performance. Especially compared to the Evo. With that said, it still works generally every time outside in good weather, but the lock will take a little longer than you might be used to.
Indoors, I can't get an accurate lock at all. I've tried in a multitude of different indoor areas, and I'm usually around 50ft off, which isn't too bad really. However, like I said, coming from the Evo you may be disappointed.
Hopefully it can be fixed with a software update, but who knows how long that will take.
All my tests were performed with aGPS as well.
To use the GPS accuraely, you"l need to turn off wireless networks and use sole 3/4G networks. WiFi will crew your ****. Also, try opening the com.samsung.GpsSetup.GpsSetup activity. In there you can change different settings for the GPS. Someone with knowledge can help us find the optimal settings.
All of us here suffer from useless GPS on our SGS to which I'm sure there's no cure. This there here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847853 states that Samsung admits that the issue is hardware issue and is reluctant to repair the same. I was wondering on how many of us are actually interested in filing a case in consumer court against Samsung India for their abysmal service and product support.
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All of us here suffer from useless GPS on our SGS to which I'm sure there's no cure. This there here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847853 states that Samsung admits that the issue is hardware issue and is reluctant to repair the same. I was wondering on how many of us are actually interested in filing a case in consumer court against Samsung India for their abysmal service and product support.
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Legaly, you first have to contact the reseller and let them try to "fix the issue" before you can do anything. The dumbest of lawyer would pinpoint the fact that "if you haven't" return the malfunctionning unit firts, you haven't let the chance to get it fixed first.
They don't understand what's warranty is and how it works.
Time after time i see complain but they don't do what they should.
Let them pay Money to a lawyer if they think it help them...
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Legaly, you first have to contact the reseller and let them try to "fix the issue" before you can do anything. The dumbest of lawyer would pinpoint the fact that "if you haven't" return the malfunctionning unit firts, you haven't let the chance to get it fixed first.
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The repair center guys here at my place are clueless on what froyo is and what GTi9000 is in the first place. Let alone be the fact that they would know there exists a problem with GPS on the phone. I also tried mail support here two weeks ago to which there has been no reply yet from them.
6 votes but none coming forward!?!? Strange...
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All of us here suffer from useless GPS on our SGS to which I'm sure there's no cure. This there here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=847853 states that Samsung admits that the issue is hardware issue and is reluctant to repair the same. I was wondering on how many of us are actually interested in filing a case in consumer court against Samsung India for their abysmal service and product support.
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I have an Samsung Galaxy I9000 India version and the issue can be easily fixed by tweaking your GPS settings, I will be posting a How-to demo soom with images. I can definitely say that the issue is software and not hardware.
ApnaDroid said:
I have an Samsung Galaxy I9000 India version and the issue can be easily fixed by tweaking your GPS settings, I will be posting a How-to demo soom with images. I can definitely say that the issue is software and not hardware.
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My GPS works too but get's a fix on satellites after 10+ minutes on standalone/MS Based and an instant fix when connected to wifi. Haven't checked how long it takes with GPRS. The problem/question is does it take 10+ minutes and sometimes forever on Standalone/MS Based. With full sky view (12 satellites) and sensors enabled? In other words it sees the satellites but takes forever to lock on it.
I'll eagerly await for your guide to fix this mess...
pramathesh said:
I'll eagerly await for your guide to fix this mess...
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Don't keep your hopes too high. You'll be dissapointed.
The software bull**** is starting to be sickening.
pramathesh said:
My GPS works too but get's a fix on satellites after 10+ minutes on standalone/MS Based and an instant fix when connected to wifi. Haven't checked how long it takes with GPRS. The problem/question is does it take 10+ minutes and sometimes forever on Standalone/MS Based. With full sky view (12 satellites) and sensors enabled? In other words it sees the satellites but takes forever to lock on it.
I'll eagerly await for your guide to fix this mess...
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Strange, after the new settings I get a fix in 2-3 minutes max on Airtel Edge network, will be posting the settings soon.
pramathesh said:
My GPS works too but get's a fix on satellites after 10+ minutes on standalone/MS Based and an instant fix when connected to wifi. Haven't checked how long it takes with GPRS. The problem/question is does it take 10+ minutes and sometimes forever on Standalone/MS Based. With full sky view (12 satellites) and sensors enabled? In other words it sees the satellites but takes forever to lock on it.
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How well does it work after it's locked on (e.g. in a driving test)? I usually get a lock in less than a minute but after that the GPS is a bit iffy.
seltaeb said:
How well does it work after it's locked on (e.g. in a driving test)? I usually get a lock in less than a minute but after that the GPS is a bit iffy.
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I had not done much testing as I own the device since past 10 days only with one trip utilizing GPS, but after the fix it worked fine whenever I needed it.
If the phone is not getting a fix within 10 seconds its failing. My old iPhone 3g would get a fix within 5 seconds usually and it's pretty damn accurate.
thedauntlessone said:
If the phone is not getting a fix within 10 seconds its failing. My old iPhone 3g would get a fix within 5 seconds usually and it's pretty damn accurate.
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Yeah, I also had an iPhone 3G and everything about it was of top-quality. No doubt.
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All of us here...
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All of us?
i live in the uk and think we should do it for every body not just india my gps is the same all over the place i no its a phone and no a tom tom ...what gets me mad is how can samsung get away with selling some thing that cant be fixed...
Hi - I started a thread with a similar intention:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=841622
Unfortunately, we could not find any common ground for action. I see 4 major challenges:
1. There is no evidence that Samsung can or will repair phones with a bad GPS; in fact; I do not remember any post that calims he/she sent in the phone and it came back with a fully working GPS.
2. There is no hope to win a legal battle - we have no case (no systematic data) and multinational companies have powerful legal teams and a lot of playing money
3. We have not developed any ideas how to extert customer power to hurt Samsung at the reputation level; this would directly get top management attention but how to do it?
4. We have a responsibility to let prospective buyers know about SGS quality issues (lag, GPS etc); Samsung is selling tons of new phones and now also Tabs!
I just want a top quality phone from a company I trust and respect. Willing to pay good money in return and remain a loyal customer.
I am considering converting to Apple or go for an android competitor - HTC looks promising but I don't know enough about them - any opinions?
That's why I always prefer importing my phones from Europe or US.
To ALL who are frustrated with the GPS of Samsung and their laid back attitude. Buy the HTC Desire HD :-D
From what I've heard, HTC has large issue with WiFi and still, to this day, can't support real multitouch. So the best advise would most likely be:
Do your research BEFORE you buy anything... every company has issue, avery company is most likely working on it and resolving issue WILL TAKE SOME TIME from all company. Period.
DHD has its up point as its downpoint, as has any device out there. So if you want flawless GSP, the SGS might not be the best choice (I can't say about DHD or any other, but my old HTC Vogue's GPS is not as accurate as my SGS). Do your research and find one that will suit you (standalone GPS might be a good choice for anyone with that need of a GPS, for that matters)
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My GPS works too but get's a fix on satellites after 10+ minutes on standalone/MS Based and an instant fix when connected to wifi. Haven't checked how long it takes with GPRS. The problem/question is does it take 10+ minutes and sometimes forever on Standalone/MS Based. With full sky view (12 satellites) and sensors enabled? In other words it sees the satellites but takes forever to lock on it.
I'll eagerly await for your guide to fix this mess...
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I have an SGS manufactured in August 2010 and my GPS works if works means showing the long and lat of a place and the number of satellite etc. It does all this within one minute or less than that.
About going to lawyer, one should be pragmatic. Samsung is a MNC which have vast resources. Fighting with them can have disastrous consequences for a aam aadmi. I admit that some of their SGS are not upto mark. But then you will have patently approach them and get it replaced /repaired.
I think legally you may have a tough case because samsung never promised gps fix in x seconds. And most folks gps works but slow.
I would suggest use social media and other media to show samsung's lousy support and product.
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I don't know what to say. Have tried all settings. The gps works fine most of the time on mainland. But the moment I land in Port Blair it just stops working. Just refuses to give a lock even though it has 8 satellites in view. My stand alone gps has no such problems. Gives me a perfect lock even in air. Having said that it's not gonna be easy to sue Samsung. First we will have to prove that the gps is ****. Btw has anyone tried returning the sgs for the gps problem?
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Recent controversy sparked by the installation of monitoring software [k0: CIQ] on millions of smartphones has led US Rep. Edward Markey (D-MA) to propose a requirement that carriers and phone makers inform consumers about the presence of monitoring software and gain their "express consent" before collecting and transmitting information from phones.
The controversy started a couple months back [k0: almost a year ago] when a developer [k0: hi TrevE] publicized the widespread use of Carrier IQ software, which phone manufacturers and carriers use to monitor what happens on a smartphone. While Apple, Samsung, HTC, AT&T and others all said the software is used only as a diagnostics tool to improve network and service performance, congressmen started denouncing the use of Carrier IQ, and class-action lawsuits were filed.
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http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/...ould-prevent-secret-smartphone-monitoring.ars
Discuss.
To me the whole CIQ debacle smelled of FUD and never really concerned me. It seemed obvious to that my carrier already has access to any data I transmit across their network, with or without any additional software installed on my device. Sure CIQ enabled the carrier to potentially (key word) access more sensitive data that I was not necessarily transmitting across their network. However I'm more concerned that I'll lose my phone and some random stranger will get access to all the naked pics of me on it... Not really because I don't store sensitive data like that on an insecure device like my phone. This feels a lot like the "Warning: Hot coffee is hot!" labels.
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This feels a lot like the "Warning: Hot coffee is hot!" labels.
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Not commenting on the rest, the whole "hot coffee" lawsuit has an untold story that most people have never seen. I suggest you - and everyone reading - watch the documentary (from HBO, find it whereever you stream/download things from) Hot Coffee. I can guarantee it'll change you view on that case and the idea of "frivolous lawsuits" forever.
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However I'm more concerned that I'll lose my phone and some random stranger will get access to all the naked pics of me on it... .
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That's awesome. Lol. I've said the same thing. They can monitor any message or call sent across the network anyways. I never understood what the big deal with a software, that was set to be inactive anyways, was. Malintent is the only thing to be scared of, and this never reeked of anything malicious, IMHO.
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that was set to be inactive anyways
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http://phandroid.com/2011/12/16/carrier-iq-by-the-numbers-26-million-sprint-handsets-900000-for-att/
Inactive... except for those 26 million.
And 1.3 million at any one time actively reporting.
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Not commenting on the rest, the whole "hot coffee" lawsuit has an untold story that most people have never seen. I suggest you - and everyone reading - watch the documentary (from HBO, find it whereever you stream/download things from) Hot Coffee. I can guarantee it'll change you view on that case and the idea of "frivolous lawsuits" forever.
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I respect you immensely k0, but frivolous lawsuits should not be in quotations nor a matter to take lightly. Of course there is a reality of using certain cases to further the tort reform movement, but this is just as shameless as any publicity stunt or "shock" image.
To dismiss all claims of frivolity because of mainstream examples, however, is naive. Such cases have almost single handedly driven the cost up and quality down of healthcare to where it stands today. And this is but one arena affected by the greed of humans. Hot coffee aside, it is a reality that should not be dismissed.
Neither here nor there, though. Way off topic. I support this bill.
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To dismiss all claims of frivolity because of mainstream examples, however, is naive. Such cases have almost single handedly driven the cost up and quality down of healthcare to where it stands today. And this is but one arena affected by the greed of humans. Hot coffee aside, it is a reality that should not be dismissed.
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I generally agree. Yes, it's off-topic, but I'll clarify a little bit before letting it go - I think that claims of frivolity are often overblown. It is an absolute fact that there are greedy ambulance-chasing lawyers, rent-seeking plantiffs, and idiots who would award them large sums of money for nothing. I agree that this often contributes to the rising costs of health care. My point was that not all of what's deemed 'frivolous' by the mainstream media and the anti-consumer lobby actually is frivolous, and that some of the more-known cases like the hot coffee suit are vastly misreported and misunderstood. That's why I recommend(ed) further research - do your own homework, and watch the doc. Then do more homework. I didn't expect to come out with a different perspective... but I did.
I could be wrong, but I think that this is a non-issue.
Why?? Well I am glad you asked.
You know that two year contract we committed to when we purchased the phone? I am 99.999999999% sure that in there it says that they may monitor our usage for QC already in there. So if this passed, the providers would just say it is part of the contract that no one ever reads, but you accepted when you got the phone (which I believe it already is to date).
Unfortunately I don't ever foresee them making this an option that can be shut off. Basically it will say we do it, and if you don't like it go to another provider. Problem is all of the other providers will say the same exact thing.
Just my .02
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I am 99.999999999% sure that in there it says that they may monitor our usage for QC already in there.
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Absolutely nothing related to CIQ is mentioned anywhere in the Sprint terms of service nor any device-specific terms of service.
I checked. Thoroughly.
Tinfoil hats, anyone? Ill pass them out for free!
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austin420 said:
Tinfoil hats, anyone? Ill pass them out for free!
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I want three!
austin420 said:
Tinfoil hats, anyone? Ill pass them out for free!
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This is the rights activist thread, I think you misclicked. You must have thought this was the paranoia thread, common misconception.
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I see we've got some intelligent, I-can-think-for-myself types in here. Let's agree to just figuratively hide in here and discuss XDA-related matters: I've about had it with wading through all the bull**** in the other threads!
On topic: while I did get the impression that CIQ-gate got wildly blown out of proportion, I also like the general idea of this piece of legislation. Thanks for the link, k0nane.
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Absolutely nothing related to CIQ is mentioned anywhere in the Sprint terms of service nor any device-specific terms of service.
I checked. Thoroughly.
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Nothing related to CIQ specifically??? That I wouldn't doubt. Are you saying though that there is nothing in the contract that says (something to the effect) that they may use tools to check tower strength and QC??
If it isn't in there, to comply with this new law they will just add it in there (as will all the carriers), and we will probably be right back to square one anyway.
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Nothing related to CIQ specifically??? That I wouldn't doubt. Are you saying though that there is nothing in the contract that says (something to the effect) that they may use tools to check tower strength and QC?
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Nothing related to CIQ's functions (claimed and real). Nothing even remotely close.
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Nothing related to CIQ's functions (claimed and real). Nothing even remotely close.
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you must notve read the privacy policy mentioned several times in the terms and conditions...
http://www.sprint.com/legal/privacy.html
We collect personal information about you in various ways. We may also get information from other sources and may combine it with information we collect about you.
Information that we automatically collect.
We automatically receive certain types of information whenever you use our Services. We may collect information about your device, your computer, and online activities. For example, we collect your device's and computer's IP address, the date and time of your access and the type of browser you use. We also collect information about your device's and computer's operating system, your location, and the Web site from which you came and then went and Web sites you visit on your device. We may link information we automatically collect with personal information, such as information you give us at registration or check out.
Information we collect when we provide you with Services includes when your wireless device is turned on, how your device is functioning, device signal strength, where it is located, what device you are using, what you have purchased with your device, how you are using it, and what sites you visit
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this goes on for pages.
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this goes on for pages.
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I did read it.
"We will aggressively log and transmit dialer keys pressed and detailed records of apps installed and used" (see here) is never mentioned. "What you have purchased with your device" does not cover that in any way, and "how you use your device" is so vague that any competent lawyer could knock it down instantly. Everything specifically listed can be collected by existing network services without CIQ.
This debate has been hashed out many, many times already. I created this thread just to link to current news.
i dont know about aggresivly, (your word i guess?) but why does it hurt for them to log keystrokes (in the dialer only) when they already have access to that info?
ciq is just a network metrics tool. it helps them improve the network (witch until lately was badly in need of improvments).
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i dont know about aggresivly, (your word i guess?) but why does it hurt for them to log keystrokes (in the dialer only) when they already have access to that info?
ciq is just a network metrics tool. if it helps them improve the network (witch until lately was badly in need of improvments).
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They don't have access to keystrokes pressed. They have access to calls made - big difference. Dialer codes are used for more than just phone numbers, as you know.
CIQ had its legitimate uses. It was designed as a network metrics tool, and it may have helped improve the network. I don't debate that. Its functions, though, go beyond - tracking the apps I install and use is NOT legitimate. It implementation and use was done very poorly. If all had been done differently from the beginning, I would have had less of a problem with it. But it wasn't. And hey, look, now it's gone.
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They don't have access to keystrokes pressed. They have access to calls made - big difference. Dialer codes are used for more than just phone numbers, as you know.
CIQ had its legitimate uses. It was designed as a network metrics tool, and it may have helped improve the network. I don't debate that. Its functions, though, go beyond - tracking the apps I install and use is NOT legitimate. It implementation and use was done very poorly. If all had been done differently from the beginning, I would have had less of a problem with it. But it wasn't. And hey, look, now it's gone.
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all good points, i still think it all fell well within the t&cs and privacy policy, but hey, now its gone! thanks ko!