Hi all.
I am new to this forum and have spent a few hours looking at some of the the threads here and reading about kitchens and baking, flashing ROMs, etc, and have become a bit scared to venture in.
All I am after is a SIP VoIP client to install on my HTC Touch Cruise (running WM6).
Can anybody help point me in the right direction and what cab file/s I need to install.
I want to steer clear of flashing ROMs.
Thanks.
Check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950&highlight=voip
Not free, but way better than the MS implementation: How about giving our AGEphone Mobile a try?
Falk said:
Not free, but way better than the MS implementation: How about giving our AGEphone Mobile a try?
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Hum, just a question: does you software provide voip audio from the right ear front speaker? If so you've found a new customer!
I (and probably everyone else making VoIP apps) wish it did - That would sure be a killer feature! We made the earphone speaker run on a few Sharp WM devices in Japan in the past because Sharp let us know the "DeviceIOControl" address of those devices. HTC on the other hand is as silent as can be and doesn't even react to our inquiries. But even if we knew the address it would result in a different version for each device as the address is very likely always a different one. So unless the phone supports switching in hardware (like a very few do) to begin with there is nothing that we (or anybody else) can do about the situation. We are working on proper bluetooth support though and hope that this can at least remedy the situation a little.
Falk said:
I (and probably everyone else making VoIP apps) wish it did - That would sure be a killer feature! We made the earphone speaker run on a few Sharp WM devices in Japan in the past because Sharp let us know the "DeviceIOControl" address of those devices. HTC on the other hand is as silent as can be and doesn't even react to our inquiries. But even if we knew the address it would result in a different version for each device as the address is very likely always a different one. So unless the phone supports switching in hardware (like a very few do) to begin with there is nothing that we (or anybody else) can do about the situation. We are working on proper bluetooth support though and hope that this can at least remedy the situation a little.
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Your first sentence was very odd. Maybe it's an XDA joke, but I'm sorry, I didn't get it.
One thing from your website about the software, does it support G729 codec?
No joke intended.. blame my non native English for any oddities ;-) As for G.729 - yes, it can be integrated into the softphone and no, you can't use it without license rights and fees as the consortium holding the codec rights is not a merciful one.
Can anyone tell me if any of the available VoIP solutions available for WM6 will allow me to make and receive calls using my existing cell number? I know TMobile has this ability on a few of there phones.
Thanks,
mr.ellsworth
No solution to the last problem, but going back to the initial question: We have just released AGEphone Mobile 2.5 Speakerphone Edition which supports the internal speaker on some select models (more to follow!).
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hi guys, i couldnt help noticing that when i previously used nokia 6600 (symbian s60) they had few 3rd party that is able to make use of their audio mechanism during callls. for example, one software can make selected background noise for opposite callers so they think that u are at a train station for example when infact u r silently at home. another software is an on board answering machine, which after the phone rang for a few times it answer the fonecall with your automated recorded voice and recorded a msg left by the caller on the fone. this is convenient for us so we dont need to call back our voicemail and reduce cost as well as some telco charge to use their voicemail service. im surprised these kind of software have not came out for our windows mobile device when its already available for symbian. im sure it shouldnt be that hard to make it. any coder expert wanna give it a go??
cutefox, what kind of searches have you made for this software on this board? Did you have much luck?
V
i already tried commercial such as handango and pocket gear.. even freeware sites also no luck.. jus dun understand why no 1 made one yet.. shouldnt b too hard to make one.. it will be a big market to sell such a software for our ppc phone device now that more devices is coming out..
Cutefox: have you tried searching this board? Let me save you the effort, but it'll be a good idea next time. It's not generally considered possible, at least on WM2003 devices because of both hardware and software limitations. It's not that no one has thought of it before: someone seems to think of it approximately every two days... but there are many many threads on this issue.
V
Look at what I said here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=9761
That sums up why we can't do it using the api's available to us now. The funny thing is the way bluetooth sends the audio stream to a headset. Obviously the data is getting there somehow but I suspect it is not (directly) via windows. Dose anyone know if the radio hardware for bluetooth is connected to the radio hardware for the phone? My guess is that if you could write a program that windows "sees" as a headset then you could get the audio that way. But thats a problem in itself.
I would love this kind of program myself. How is it that such usefull devices with so many capeabilities can be kept secret from us. We can't use the camera, we can't get the cell id on towers, we can't programatically controll the partnerships in blutooth, we cant get the audio stream of our own phone, the events on some ppc's that control brightness are secret..... the list goes on. This kind of #@!!$$ is going to hurt the future of these devices which I otherwise love.
OdeeanRDeathshead: I had read your previous posts, and as ever, very interesting and informative reading. I had the same idea regarding a "dummy" bluetooth device a while back, but mamaich put me in my place!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?p=179839#179839
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thanks vijay555, thats what I have suspected about the hardware. What I want to do is a bit different. The bluetooth can communicate to many devices at once. If your program could appear to be a headset to the os, then the phone bluetooth hardware could transmit the audio to the headset at the same time your program uses bluetooth to receive it. Kind of like a loop out of the box to bridge the lack of functionality. This shifts the problem to how dose a hardware bluetooth headset communicate. Emulate this and we are on a winner. I don't think I have the willingness to pull my devices appart. I also do not have the money for some of the hardware (eg good digital oscilliscope) that I would need to measure whats going on. I did read that microsoft are about to expose some new api to allow control over the pairing process (but not the audio stream). I hope that we get some soon.
Is there going to be any new (for 2005) free development tools like the evc versions used today?
OdeeanRDeathshead: re eVC, I don't think so. The "express editions" are free, but they specifically omit the functionality to develop "mobile solutions".
Re the loop back. That's a good idea. I think mamaich is our best bet on schematics, I think that would be very helpful. As you "rave", it's mindboggling that Microsoft still haven't revealed or implemented a way to interact with the audio channels. It must have been one of the first things one could imagine doing once you develop a PDA with a phone stuck on the back of it.
Any idea if the bluetooth stacks could support transmitting and receiving simultaneously in this manner? I know some of the boys are working on alternative bluetooth support for the stereo headset profiles, so they might be able to shed some light on the issues involved. I guess the processor overhead could be hefty, but for the benefit it would be beneficial.
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Well from reading other threads I learned that an answering machine software is not possible due to lacking ability to record from the radio audio output (on most phones, possible on univ?).
Well then how about not recording, but automatic pickup and sending prerecorded audio? Would that be possible? Like in: someone calls my phone->software picks up and plays back prerecorded message to caller "I'm in a meeting, please call back at 5pm" ->software hangs up.
Possible or not? Who would be willing to write something like this?
I think there's the same issue - the phone audio path is seperated from the PDA audio path. Read Odeean's posts on TAPI and his frustrations. However, the http://teksoftco.com boys seem to have hinted that this may in fact be possible anyway.
It may be possible I suppose, by writing specific drivers, but I don't think any of us have ever tried I guess.
V
We'll keep you updated with what can be done altough the system is not built to support this kind of features. Firstly because in the US recording audio on phone conversation is ilegal so MSFT doesn't supports this and onestly i don't see HTC being able to offer this kind of support.
Also what Vijay outlined is correct... but we have a few more ideas that we are curently testing...as i said we'll post it if we succeded.
Cheers,
Raul
i believe that it is not a hardware limitation.
The sound from the gsm is not analogue. It passes through the OS somehow, otherwise how is the audio transmitted to the bt hfree?
I don't believe that the transmition of audio (from gsm) to the bt hfree is done only by hardware.
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andrew_sh is making a good point there. Maybe something can be done by "faking" bluetooth data input?
We have a working answering machine on Himalaya.
See last ROM from TofClock...
Good point made by Andrew. A new bluetooth headset driver or a fake one might do the trick. Cross your fingers guys.
The OS has evolved since Himalaya and HTC has restricted access to drivers by creating a locking mechanism and also the signing process is a hop to pass.
Guys, from my understanding and a poll I've run:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/viewtopic.php?t=40100&highlight=telephone+poll
it doesn't seem like many people have succeeded in recording calls, and those that have are generally using the Himalaya only. The gigabyte can, but it has custom hardware.
We've discussed spoofing the bluetooth audio path before by using a dummy driver and receiver, but mamaich has stated that the audio path for the bluetooth is in hardware only, and seperated from the interceptable paths in the OS.
Rain (for those who don't know, is one of the genii at http://teksoftco.com) - if you have any new ideas, may I ask you to PM me?
Odeean, Mamaich and I have had numerous discussions about this and I'd be interested to know how your research is going. I read that you guys have experience at low level audio driver work (great work on the speakerphone btw!), and I think that might be a good way to go. There is certainly some OS control of the audio path (speakerphone, mute, headset<>bluetooth etc), so I've thought about this way...
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Does anyone knows if there is a tool to deform e.g. morph your voice in real time for ppc?
Thanx in advance
I dont know about any, but I used one on Symbian OS, but it was really long ago, so I dont remember name. Try look here.
Suppose this all comes down to the old chestnut of whether the phoneline stream is accessible programatically. I have asked about this before and the general consensus seems to be no access because of a hardware limitation imposed by MS.
I'm not convinced by this response. How do bluetooth headsets operate if this is the case?
I've got nowhere near enough c++ expertise to work it out, but surely someone on here must? This could lead to all kinds of useful and fun apps. Anyone fancy a challenge??!
First post lurking for a bit here now.
This app sounds like a blast. Please repost if you find it!
fugi
Maybe it's Surprise! Sounder. But doesn't run in real time. It applies effects to recorded voices.
Searching in the past for a Voice Recorder ( very basic feature I would say :-( ) I understood that there is no way to process the voice stream in real time due to h/w limitations.
does anyone who worked on the widcomm bt stack know how the audio stream gets passed to a bluetooth headset? can it be intercepted? i'm prepared to investigate this further but don't know where to start
On my A1200 I could record calls with no problems. I understand that its Linux, but I think the hardware in this phone is more impressive than that one... what I'm trying to say, is I doubt it is a hardware limitation.
T-Pain auto tone voice changer app on Iphone could be better on Winmo!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDGJY2LgwWI
Maybe hardware solution.
http://www.spyville.com/cell-phone-voice-changer.html
Spoof app and Winmo get marrief
http://m.facebook.com/spoofapp?w2m
Hi,
I decided to post this after 100+ hrs of struggling with so called native VoIP feature in WM6.
Firstly, there are some extremely valuable threads in this forum already, the best of which being probably:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=299950
Secondly and lastly: the marketing trick about "Built-in VoIP in WM6" is nothing more than that (google the Web and you'll see what kind of proud statements can be found).
Someone out there in MS completely disrespect the customers saying all this. A more truthfull statement could look like: "Integration of VoIP features in Windows Mobile has been attempted for the first time (ever). However, so far it is all unreleased, alpha-stage development which may come to a business-grade usable outcome somewhere late 2008".
Reasons for that are very simple:
Even WHEN someone by any chance, luck or more by black crafts manages to make a test call with this integrated VoIP-crap (which is neither too easy nor really reproducible - I made it - 3 times in more than 200 attempts with various configs and DLLs and reg settings), the results leave A LOT to wish.
Available "features" cover - at most - usage of G711 codec (some users cracked the GSM one as well, with mixed results). No voicemail. No conference call. No call forwarding. No STUN (!!! - and I thought Symbian S60 was behind WM6). Not even a user-friendly interface to configure a SIP-provider (a user-unfriendly interface does not exist either, to be precise). Only one provider can be configured. Documentation incomplete and inaccurate if any (MSDN contains some - buggy like hell). Right, no debugging anyway. No logging. Have I missed something? Oh yes, without a headset the sound is wonderfully coming out of the external speaker. Power saving mode cutting the talks due to power outage at the WiFi. So much for integration.
If anyone disagrees just please take a look at SJPhone. Just ONE single look. Honestly, if it was possible to put SJPhone in the Today list (maybe it is but I have not figured it out yet how) I would NEVER bother with the "marvels" of integrated voip.
For me personally, the subject of the "integrated", MS-made VoIP is burried - requiescat in pace. At least until a more reasonable version (at least beta-grade) is available.
Regards
wiktro
Yes I do agree that more can be done to it but at the moment, I am pretty happy with what is available.
Sure the call quality can be much improved with the addition of several codecs but at the moment, it is something that is not bothering me and the call quality, while not great, is something usable.
I am currently using VoIP with an Eten Glofiish X500 which allows me to make calls as a normal phone, thanks to a switch. The audio comes out of the ear piece instead of the loudspeaker. I am using VoipStunt as my service provider and the quality is not too bad. Sure it is not as good as the desktop but then again, a Pocket PC does not have the crunching power of a desktop.
Am I saying that it is sufficient? For my own needs, yes. But I would sure love to see it further improved. I am not saying that just because we have a less powerful device that there is no hope for VoIP because there are even less powerful ones out there that can do an even better job.
Let's just hope Microsoft improves on this. Or that SjLabs can come up with a much needed updated version of their software that integrates with the Today screen.
Hi!
I got a T-Mobile Ameo (x7500) and upgraded it to Win Mobile 6 with success.
I am having trouble with call recording when not being in speakerphone mode. I studied the postings about this topic, but actually it said "Athena can do this without modification".
I used Resco Audio Recorder and Vito Technology's Audio Notes and some other tools. These two programs, well were able to record but the other side was much too silent to comprehend.
I tried it with my Jabra Bluetooth headset and my HTC cable headset. There seems to be no difference to me.
Has any of you guys'n'girls the ICR on his phone, with better experience? Please tell me ;-)
CU, forcemaker
Really nobody of Athena/Advantage/Ameo folks using in call recording?
Hi there,
is eally nobody of Athena/Advantage/Ameo folks using in call recording?
Are there no success or even failure reports that you want to share?
Greetings from forcemaker
All these years have passed ... ;-) ... and no solution is found yet?
The user Menneisyys explains here (and linked pages) that the Athena was the only phone of its "generation" being able to do 2-way-call-recording (or ICR=In-call-recording). Then many phones were enabled with this feature by applying a simple registry hack.
But my Ameo (X7500, upgraded from Stock Wm5 to Stock WM6 ROM, german, by T-Mobile) was never able to do so. Today, for the first time, I chose to install other ROMs (Advantage_HTC_GER_2.21.407.1_1.50.00.00_Ship.exe, Advantage_HTC_WWE_2.21.405.2_1.50.00.00_Ship.exe) and different radio versions (1.5..... and 1.58....) without any change in the behaviour.
So, do you Athena owners have experience with 2-sided/way-call-recording?
Please share with me and us, as I am fed up with HTC devices "blocking" this function ... e.g. with my somewhat beloved HTC Desire (A8181, "Bravo"), where this story repeats itself.
Which ROM versions are you using, if ICR works for you?
edit 1: Oh, I forgot: I tried Resco Audio Recorder and also the solution from VITO and many others.
I am sorry for bothering you, but at this moment there are "1,082" views of this thread (some likely to be from me) ... but I cannot imagine that nobody is using any call recording function on his/her Ameo/Advantage/Athena of which you could give us (or me) a small report (Works/Doesn't work on ROM version XYZ with Recording software ABC) ?
Again sorry for bothering :-(
I think the activity has died down on this device, especially with the hacking community (which this site is mainly about) anyway.
I don't even know that this feature exists until I read this thread now. I have never used it much as a phone (battery life too short) myself, and probably most people use it as a data device mostly and thus the feature is largely missed by many.
I will check out your link to see what the deal is about in call recording as many phones won't do it, but a few will (not just smartphones), I think it has to do with legal ramification similar to there is no reason to block turning off the shutter sound on a phone camera, but they do it to discourage the perverts.