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The HTCANDROID project! Let's get it running!

Hey!
As i've previously mentioned here once (I think), i started a small forum where I tried to gather all the setups for running Android on various HTC models. Now that the HTC G1 (Dream) is soon released, we will will get some very interesting challenges while trying to build Android ROM's, etc..
This forum is great, but its also very big. Thought that it might be a good idea to have our android resources on a separate forum?
Anyways, thought i could register a domain and such, but for now the forum is at http://www.connect-utb.com/htcandroid
Some of you are there already! Hopefully, with the experienced user base we have here, we can get Android ROMS and whatnot for our HTC models, as the HTC Dream looks rather poor. (Although better devices will surely come in the future).

you must be joking. Android is a total OS unlike apps that we see all over which are portable among HTC devices. It takes months alone just to get Android as it is today for the kaiser. Mostly everything for WM can be ported among other devices which some exceptions to nontouch devices. It'll be a long time until you see Android ported over to more devices than now. My suggestion would be to use a device that's got android projects already in progress or at your nearest convenience to buy a device with android on it.

Think we misunderstand each other, but you dont believe that if we can extract the android ROM from the HTC Dream, and modify and install it on lets say, the Kaiser?

You can always try before saying that it isn't going to work.
I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.

I get it...and completely understand what this is about...it's HTC...which means theoretically we should be able to at least somewhat get it working...I've started a wizard thread on your new forum in hopes that any information or progress getting it ported over gets posted all in one location for easy access....kudo's for thinking ahead as I dont think android is going anywhere soon and while this forum is very useful it's mostly for winmo devices....nothing wrong with speading the wings a lil bit and branching out...
looking forward to the press conference!!

I would say we should be able to get Android to run on the OS level of our devices, but it will probably need a bit of modifying. However, since it's open source I'm hoping the modifying will be a lot easier because of this.

Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena

WatskeBart said:
I will track this post because i'm very curious by the Android OS.
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Same here!

If my memory does not fail, I remember that one of the first peaks at Android was being run in a Blue Angel. So, I guess there is a big chance that we might in fact be able to see Android running on more than one device (of course, you will have more or less features depending on the device's capabilities and hardware limitations, namely apps that work with an accelerometer, etc).
Maybe, the development should be worth following because as much as I don't want to believe it, my device (Blue Angel) will only trick death for so long (by death I mean not being able to move to newer versions of WM) and we will need a way to pass the time .

HTC Touch Vogue in progress of being ported
Hey don't forget about the senior member "DZO" that started ANDROID porting to HTC Vogue and it is Successful
This is his direct link to the files : http://cs-alb-pc3.massey.ac.nz/vogue
And here is the link to the posting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382265
I think he did a GREAT job porting Android. I am running Android 0.9 with most of the featuress except installing programs but only because he is the only one that does that. So, he needs help! I am sure... Plus, on this site people are cheeping in for HTC Diamond so he can work on that too...
Here is the link: http://www.myhtcphone.com
So, if you want something done we should start by contributing either money, or programming support! I wish I knew how to program this
ahhhh I wish I would have fully functional Android on my HTC

Thanks for the support! The forums are slightly active now!
Hopefully, we will be able to get Android running more or less flawless soon! As pointed out, its possible!

he he nice link, it seems that there are allready htc devices running with android.

just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?

hmmm, seems to have no desktop syncing.. this may be a huge set back for anyone trying to get androig running on another HTC device.

crescentsaber said:
just wondering, is it possible to have dual boot in one device ?
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well currently (or in the case of the vogue) android is being booted via haret (a linux bootloaded) running on top of windows mobile.. so i guess its already kind of dual boot

For now, Android has to be run from within Windows Mobile, so no true dual boot yet

Already started
Hey you guys might want to check out the following links. Over at PPC Geeks they already have a thread going:
http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=23244
Also if you want to download the current Android cab for HTC go to:
http://www.myhtcphone.com/

doena said:
Hey,
I was just on HTC homepage ( htc.com ), where the G1 is shown.
They printed the specs, which are very similar to the diamond
Same chipset, same rom size, same ram size,...
SO I think, it would be ( maybe easily?) possible to port android to the diamond
greets doena
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Diamond doesnt have QWERTY keyboard, so i think it could be on Touch Pro instead

Someone ported Android for BlueAngel?
Please can someone tell me if Android is already running in BlueAngel? If there is a way show me how. Thanks Man!!!

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't Android made so that it can run on a wide range of devices. I, for one, can't wait till its ported to samsung omnia. Damn, that would be good!
@Coldheat,
What does the cab file do? Its an OS, so cab file??

can we have any driver for wifi in winmo

when I turn on wifi in vista,I saw that vista recognize it marvell wireless sdio adapter.I wonder whether we can have driver for it in winmo.

The shift Projects is working on it AFAIK.
Haven't heard something from them for a long time but i think their next goal is to get SD card working.

well I'm not sure there still someone working on that project !!!

FloJo Premier said:
well I'm not sure there still someone working on that project !!!
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Well, let's put it laike that: as soon as a new device is announced / sold every single force is put to work on that new thing/gadget. You can easily see it by reading here and there in this Shift sub-forum and comparing what you see with, for instance, what you see on Blackstone sub-forum.
What happened is quite easy to understand: new game = high interest. Old game = low interest.
In the first months many people cooked new ROMs, and it was hard to keep the pace with it (you could really flash one ROM a day...). Now everything is quite "asleep", and you can see people thinking on "porting" Blackstone ROM on Shift. This means, to me, that nobody is seriously working anymore on this project. I'm not accusing anybody, and I do know that one of the developers is in big troubles because of his daughter. I'm just saying that we should keep in mind that our Shift is no longer a "high-interesting-gadget", but it became something like a "spare-time-hobby" even for the best cookers out there.
I'm just sorry that many people (and it doesn't mean you, of course) is still harshly asking for something that, I can bet on it, no one will ever do. As if this forum were some kind of "McDrive": push the button, place your order, wait for a couple of minutes, get your pizza+coke and... don't pay!
Ciao!

Hi there,
i saw the same thing, but as i am new and only got 2 devices and really love my shift, and my Diamond when i request something someone deliveres it.So i got my whole interest into the shift. As people can help here, do whings like:
Look for a device with the same Marvel chipset (dunno if its connected to MSM7200) and get a rom of that and send it to me with a pm and i'll try to port the winMo driver to one of our roms
Greets

Neutron83 said:
Hi there,
i saw the same thing, but as i am new and only got 2 devices and really love my shift, and my Diamond when i request something someone deliveres it.So i got my whole interest into the shift. As people can help here, do whings like:
Look for a device with the same Marvel chipset (dunno if its connected to MSM7200) and get a rom of that and send it to me with a pm and i'll try to port the winMo driver to one of our roms
Greets
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Me too, I'm completely satisfied with my ****f and my liberated ROM (I flashed it a century ago, may be there are some more performing...). To tell the truth I would even use y shift with a "normal" WM side, but I'm sure I would miss the possibility to surf the web in few seconds (I often "need" to google here and there... even the fastest Vista configuration needs some seconds to be on).
I was just saying what anybody can argue just by going on XDA forum home-page: Blakstone: more than 200 people viewing; Shift 14 people viewing... Doesn't that mean something to you?

Well it seems that the shift project was a good opportunity for some people to get device for free and that's all .the way it works don't give me the feelings that donate in any project makes things works on!!!
I am soory for being in thatkind of mood !!!

FloJo Premier said:
Well it seems that the shift project was a good opportunity for some people to get device for free and that's all .the way it works don't give me the feelings that donate in any project makes things works on!!!
I am soory for being in thatkind of mood !!!
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Think twice, the shift isnt that much worth, if you really count the hours they already spend by liberating etc. and pay them like a real developer with that know-how, you would probably end with a much higher bill.
In my opinion the only problem is the communication, or just beeing honest, if it wont work or nobody continues with real effort or somebody is not coming forward with a problem, just tell it.

Ehy guys,
can u get back on topic, the shift project is discussed in another thread!
As im not part of Shift Projekt i cant say anything for them, but they did good job !
Olipro thx for HardSPL
cmonex thx for porting the GPS driver.
But they go quiet so i decided to do some "extra" work, so it was mentioned!
So get back on topic and stop flaming!
Anyone got an rom from another device wich uses the same WIFI chipset ??
I googled a bit for sd8686 and windows mobile but didn't found a thing.
http://www.pudn.com/downloads97/sourcecode/embed/detail396197.html
i cant read but seems to be interesting, if anyone can translate i would be glad.
There are 3 or 4 ppl trying to get sd8686 stack working on ARM, but under linux. that was the only link i couldnt read.
As long as we dont get a driver developer for WINCE that converts the linux stuff to wince or that link as a good source, i dont think it will be possible as i dont see another device with sd8686 and ARM processor.
Greets
ps. anyone got INFORMATIONS that are usefull wich aren't mentioned jet ??
pps. please stay ontopic

[DISCUSSION] HD2 + Android or WP7, real talk.

Hello everyone!
I'm new here, but have been lurking and scouring the forums for a while now. I'm not a dev or anything, so I'm a total noob when it comes to cooking up roms and such... although I've done pleanty of flashing on different devices. I'm treating myself to a new phone as a late birthday present, and the HD2 looks like the best offering at the moment (or anytime soon) from T-Mobile. I just don't want to be stuck with such awesome hardware, running an OS that will be mostly obselete in a few months.
I've read that MS will continue to support WM 6.5, but we all know their deal... it'll be an afterthought once WP7 is released. I would be fine with upgrading to WP7, but unfortunately the HD2 has two too many buttons to meet the HW requirements (according to MS at this point.)
The main thing that makes me believe porting Android would be more plausible, is the upcoming release of the EVO. The hardware is so similar, it's hard for me to believe that it's not possible. Once the EVO is released, could someone use the Android 2.1 image from it, and modify it to run on the HD2? Again, I'm not a programmer, so I'm probably completely wrong... but would love to be proven otherwise.
I'm just looking for some of you with more knowledge and experience to give me some technical insight before dropping $450 on a new phone that will be out-of-date and no longer supported (for the most part) in 6 months. I would also like to keep this thread on topic, so please don't bother slagging the HD2 and suggesting other devices.
Thanks!

and another thread pops up =(
search the forum there are literally tons of threads about this
TONS especially on android
for wp7 there is no news since march 28th announcement so that means nothing more to report than the initial issues had
this is also in the windows phone 7 forum
if you want the phone, get the phone. Winows mobile is a good and highly customizable operating systme on its own and I like it.

you won't regret getting this phone, I sold my nexus one for it, and I don't even miss N1 (simply because it is not the best android phone anymore, HD 2 the best winmo up to date).
I am also a noob, but I encourage myself very often. Now android can run on iphone, what else would stop those geniuses from creating such miracles on HD2. All I have to do is enjoying the phone from the minute I have it, and stick to the forum.

I wouldn't buy the HD2 purely on the speculation of an Android port. There's no certainty that it will ever happen, and if it does, who knows how long it will take.
There are ports for older HTC models and the iPhone, but you have to keep in mind that those handsets have been out for a while, and have had many months, if not years, of development behind them. The HD2 and the snapdragon processor are relatively new, and development is starting from the ground up. It may take up to a year or more before a functional android port is available, and by then, there will more than likely be better hand-sets out there.

domineus said:
and another thread pops up =(
search the forum there are literally tons of threads about this
TONS especially on android
for wp7 there is no news since march 28th announcement so that means nothing more to report than the initial issues had
this is also in the windows phone 7 forum
if you want the phone, get the phone. Winows mobile is a good and highly customizable operating systme on its own and I like it.
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Thanks for the reply!
I've actually searched many times, and read tons of threads on this topic. The problem is, most of them are cluttered with TONS of vague info and flaming, with a tidbit of useful info here and there. I was hoping to open some discussion and spark some ideas or interest, maybe try and centralize the info.
Sorry for stepping on any toes, but this is the "T-Mobile USA HD2" general discussion forum, so I figured this would be the best place to start. I just searched the development forum and found a similar thread. I just didn't check there, as I was intending to discuss the possibility and such, not actual developing. Mods, if I'm out of line here, please move or lock this thread appropriately.
Thanks!
Edit- to the other posters, thanks for sharing experiences with me! I wasn't planning on buying the HD2 soley in hopes of porting Android, I guess I'm just looking for reassurance from folks that I'm not getting myself into a device that isn't worth the effort. I love modding my phones, but would rather not be stuck beating a dead horse in a few months. The feedback is greatly appreciated, and makes me feel much better about my decision.

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There are ports for older HTC models and the iPhone, but you have to keep in mind that those handsets have been out for a while, and have had many months, if not years, of development behind them. The HD2 and the snapdragon processor are relatively new, and development is starting from the ground up. It may take up to a year or more before a functional android port is available, and by then, there will more than likely be better hand-sets out there.
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this is true. android on the iphone only works on the iphone 2g as far as i can tell, and that phone is over 4 years old i believe. building linux kernels for a specific phone takes time, and most likely it'll take years to perfect. the ports out now for older winmo phones are useable but obviously not perfect.
i bought my hd2 mainly because it looks like pure sex to me. hehe. windows mobile didnt bother me at all since ive been using windows mobile phones since 2007. dont get me wrong, android is pretty good too. used that for about a year. each os has its own pros and cons i guess.
gilla409 said:
to the other posters, thanks for sharing experiences with me! I wasn't planning on buying the HD2 soley in hopes of porting Android, I guess I'm just looking for reassurance from folks that I'm not getting myself into a device that isn't worth the effort. I love modding my phones, but would rather not be stuck beating a dead horse in a few months. The feedback is greatly appreciated, and makes me feel much better about my decision.
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you wont regret getting this phone. in my opinion htc did a good job with sense, making windows mobile user friendly and whatnot, but if you dont like sense, it can be easily disabled. also the stock rom to me works fine right now but there are a lot of other roms made for the hd2 already so its pretty customizable as is already.

caffeinejunky said:
this is true. android on the iphone only works on the iphone 2g as far as i can tell, and that phone is over 4 years old i believe. building linux kernels for a specific phone takes time, and most likely it'll take years to perfect. the ports out now for older winmo phones are useable but obviously not perfect.
i bought my hd2 mainly because it looks like pure sex to me. hehe. windows mobile didnt bother me at all since ive been using windows mobile phones since 2007. dont get me wrong, android is pretty good too. used that for about a year. each os has its own pros and cons i guess.
you wont regret getting this phone. in my opinion htc did a good job with sense, making windows mobile user friendly and whatnot, but if you dont like sense, it can be easily disabled. also the stock rom to me works fine right now but there are a lot of other roms made for the hd2 already so its pretty customizable as is already.
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Cool, thanks for the info!
I usually try to keep from modding straight away, but after checking some roms in the development forum, I'm sure I'll start flashing sooner than later, hehe. The main thing I'm liking about the HD2 is it comes stock with the apps I'm most likely to use. I had a 2g iPhone a while back, but found I didn't use most of the apps I installed, and gave it up for a 3g device. Most of what I'm looking for is games/entertainment and themes, and I believe I've found what I'm looking for. If I'm not happy, I may try to cook up something of my own... there's certainly pleanty of resources here to get me started!
Again, I apologize for the redundant thread, but I appreciate all the feedback. This is exactly what I was looking for!

gilla409 said:
Hello everyone!
I'm new here, but have been lurking and scouring the forums for a while now. I'm not a dev or anything, so I'm a total noob when it comes to cooking up roms and such... although I've done pleanty of flashing on different devices. I'm treating myself to a new phone as a late birthday present, and the HD2 looks like the best offering at the moment (or anytime soon) from T-Mobile. I just don't want to be stuck with such awesome hardware, running an OS that will be mostly obselete in a few months.
I've read that MS will continue to support WM 6.5, but we all know their deal... it'll be an afterthought once WP7 is released. I would be fine with upgrading to WP7, but unfortunately the HD2 has two too many buttons to meet the HW requirements (according to MS at this point.)
The main thing that makes me believe porting Android would be more plausible, is the upcoming release of the EVO. The hardware is so similar, it's hard for me to believe that it's not possible. Once the EVO is released, could someone use the Android 2.1 image from it, and modify it to run on the HD2? Again, I'm not a programmer, so I'm probably completely wrong... but would love to be proven otherwise.
I'm just looking for some of you with more knowledge and experience to give me some technical insight before dropping $450 on a new phone that will be out-of-date and no longer supported (for the most part) in 6 months. I would also like to keep this thread on topic, so please don't bother slagging the HD2 and suggesting other devices.
Thanks!
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They have been working on porting linux and android to the HD2 for months now. It's not an easy process, as I have stated in the many threads that get started about this. The EVO rom cannot just be ported over. The N1 is just as close hardware wise... they actually used the N1 as a starting point for creating the linux kernel. The Evo may help a little with some drivers.
You have to understand... the kernel for the msm72xx devices (touchpro, TP2, kaiser, etc.) was started over 3 years ago... and they still don't have a fully-functional android port. There will be an android port eventually, but by time theres a fully functional port, there will be many nicer android phones out. Expect it to take a year or more for a fully-functional port, if it's ever FULLY-functional. Search the Rom section in the original Leo section for the official linux project thread.
Get the phone if you like WinMo 6.5. If not, wait for another phone. Trust me, there will be just as nice Android phones for tmobile in the next few months, and WinPhone 7 phones by the end of the year.

Is there still an progress of the Android port?

Hey all,
Im quite new and I was wondering if someone knows if there still is a progress of the android port to the HD2.
I've searched myselfs lots of times but I didnt find anything except in the [CLOSED] ANDROID/MAEMO/LINUX on HD2 [NO MORE ACTIVE!!] thread (CANT URL THIS IM NEW!!!)and its closed...
So my question was... Is there still a progress going on? and how far is the progress? Please reply.
Greetings Hawiak

This is the new thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
They're still working on getting Linux on there and from there Android will go on. It's going to take a while (many months).

aceo07 said:
This is the new thread. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=651632
They're still working on getting Linux on there and from there Android will go on. It's going to take a while (many months).
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Thank you for your friendly response!
Ok I expected someone was working on it and I also expected that it would take some time to develop this port.
Thanks again!

Im glad its going to take a few months!
Because when Im bored of my phone, I can look forward to giving it new life in droid form

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Im glad its going to take a few months!
Because when Im bored of my phone, I can look forward to giving it new life in droid form
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Its not for sure it only would take some months mayby it can take much longer in the worse case it can turn out on nothing!

Hawiak said:
Its not for sure it only would take some months mayby it can take much longer in the worse case it can turn out on nothing!
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Yeah, there's no way to positively say how long it will be or even if it will ever be done.... right now they are stuck on some kernel issues that they have yet to figure out. They haven't made any more progress for a couple weeks, I think. But I'm remaining hopeful.... I think things will work out eventually. I'm in no rush for Android.

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Yeah, there's no way to positively say how long it will be or even if it will ever be done.... right now they are stuck on some kernel issues that they have yet to figure out. They haven't made any more progress for a couple weeks, I think. But I'm remaining hopeful.... I think things will work out eventually. I'm in no rush for Android.
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Am not expert when it comes to this but am guessing things might get a little better when the evo comes out as they have both got simmiler hard ware so they might be able to use the drivers etc.

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Am not expert when it comes to this but am guessing things might get a little better when the evo comes out as they have both got simmiler hard ware so they might be able to use the drivers etc.
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The drivers aren't the main issues.... they already have a lot of the drivers. The main thing they were hoping to get from the evo is the touchscreen... but it uses a different touch sensor than the HD2, so probably no luck there. The evo might help a little, but probably not any more than the nexus one did. It's just gonna take time to work out the kernel issues.

With so many android phones coming out with specs similar or even better than the HD2, this is a futile attempt.

zarathustrax said:
Yeah, there's no way to positively say how long it will be or even if it will ever be done.... right now they are stuck on some kernel issues that they have yet to figure out. They haven't made any more progress for a couple weeks, I think. But I'm remaining hopeful.... I think things will work out eventually. I'm in no rush for Android.
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This is the worst kind of news... I mean, baby steps are fine, but no progress makes me worry.
... not wishing to bash the people who are working on this, just stating my worries here.
BTW, I'm sort of amazed that hardware manufacturers would rather side with software developers rather than the community. IE: Throw down the specifications and then porting one phone OS to another phone won't be such a problem, right? Instead, they keep the specs hidden and only one software company gets them (in this case MS). If software could be changed, it would force the developers to put some more effort into it.
Alternatively... are there any phones with Android and Snapdragon-like CPUs coming out sometimes soon? I bet that'd help.

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With so many android phones coming out with specs similar or even better than the HD2, this is a futile attempt.
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Why is it a futile attempt? It was known from the start that there will be just as good or better android phones by the time it was finished. Thats how it was for all the android ports to WinMo devices in the past. I dont want to use android full time... anyone who does should have gotten an android device instead of a WinMo device. I want to use my WinMo most of the time, but have the ability to boot into android on the same phone and use that if I want to. Android or Linux ports were never being developed to completely replace WinMo... just get an android phone if you want that.

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Why is it a futile attempt? It was known from the start that there will be just as good or better android phones by the time it was finished. Thats how it was for all the android ports to WinMo devices in the past. I dont want to use android full time... anyone who does should have gotten an android device instead of a WinMo device. I want to use my WinMo most of the time, but have the ability to boot into android on the same phone and use that if I want to. Android or Linux ports were never being developed to completely replace WinMo... just get an android phone if you want that.
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Well I understand but I prefer 2 fully working OSes on 1 device that you can have a choice is nice tho...

zarathustrax said:
Why is it a futile attempt? It was known from the start that there will be just as good or better android phones by the time it was finished. Thats how it was for all the android ports to WinMo devices in the past. I dont want to use android full time... anyone who does should have gotten an android device instead of a WinMo device. I want to use my WinMo most of the time, but have the ability to boot into android on the same phone and use that if I want to. Android or Linux ports were never being developed to completely replace WinMo... just get an android phone if you want that.
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shoot, the only reason I want Android is for the apps. I could care less if the radio worked correctly. a phone is a phone. The apps and hardware is what makes it stand out and we got some bad ass hardware.

Ubuntu on HTC Advantage x7500

Hi everyone
Has anyone successfully got Ubuntu running on HTC Advantage x7500?
Matthew
PS - Anyone managed to get Android running too? I'm happy to have either running on my device!

MatthewHenry said:
Hi everyone
Has anyone successfully got Ubuntu running on HTC Advantage x7500?
Matthew
PS - Anyone managed to get Android running too? I'm happy to have either running on my device!
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No, unfortunately no one ever finished developing a working android/linux port. They got as far as getting android to boot, and get the touch screen somewhat functional I think, but never got any further, so it's pretty much unuasable.
It's a shame, too. This would be a great device to run Ubuntu or Android off of... this device was way ahead of it's time. It wasn't too popular when it first came out because many people saw it as too big, but if it was released nowadays with the same design, but more current processor, etc and running android, I'm sure it would be very popular. A tablet/phone with attachable keyboard... it was an awesome concept.
If we could get the Athena into the hands of some of the developers that are porting linux to the HD2, Rhodium, Kaiser, etc, I'm sure they could get a good port going on it after some work... but I don't think any of the devs capable of porting it own the athena, or are interested in putting in all the time.
A good linux kernel and android port would give this device a second life... make people interested in it again... but I'm losing hope in it happening. In fact, I've come into hard financial times recently, so I'm trying to sell my X7501. I really hate doing it, but I just don't use it anymore and can't find a reason to keep it other than I think it's a really cool, unique device. So if anyone's interested in a X7501 in almost perfect condition, with a bunch of accessories, send me a pm. I'll probably throw it on ebay if I don't find anyone here at xda within the next few days.

Thanks for the update
Think I'll keep my x7500 for a bit to play on it, maybe get it to run WM6.5 (its 5 at the mo) then pass it on!
Do fancy a UMPC with Linux on though!