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test tapi on your device

A lot of people trying to write programs that can transfer data over a phone call seem to end up giving up because they think their device is not capeable of it. I put this little app together to make it possible to demonstrate the data transfer on ppc phones. If this works on your device then you can implement similar functionality.
download bellow:
http://odeean.veritel.com.au/ORDTapiUser/myTapiUser.exe
It will only work if the program is running on both the calling and answering ppc at the same time.
Instructions:
0)Make sure the phones on your ppc's are turned on.
1)copy the exe to both devices.
2)run the exe on both devices.
3)press "startup" on both devices.
4)(both devices) a series of dialogs will pop up, if you see one labeled "celular line" press yes. If you know your phone uses a line called something else press yes to that instead. If you press no to everything the program will try to get the correct line, but may fail. If you want to choose again restart the program.
5)on the calling device put a phone number in the edit box at the top. I am no expert on numbers around the world so I have just let whatever you put there go straight in. If the number fails its got nothing to do with this program.
6)on the calling device press "dial". wait until it says connected.
7)on the answering device the incoming call will be shown. If a caller id is available it will be displayed. The ppc inbuilt phone is not stopped by this app so you will not be able to press the answer button. Instead wait (normally the default is 3 rings) and my program will answer the call itself.
8)two way communication is now posible. Data sent from the "data to send" edit box on one ppc will be displayed on the "received data" window on the other ppc. As this is a simple program the display will just show the last 25 digits to keep the latest info in the window.
9)when done press "hangup" on one of the ppc's
The data is not just sent in a direct way. It gets broken up into packets and they are timed as they are transmitted along with some error checking. The timing is rather generous so it slows the transmition down a bit, that along with all the actions being displayed to the user.
This works well between my xda mini and xda I. It dose not work on windows mobile 2005. Because of the expense involved in phone calls it is dificult to debug. If any messages do pop up it would be nice if you could post the number on the dialog and a description of what was going on. This program cost me $150 in phone expence, so enjoy.
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could you post the code , please ?
i have to make an application that need to receive file from server with data call.
(excuse my english)
best regards

I will not post the entire code, this is to let you know if it is worth the effort trying. Almost everything contained within this program that is related to tapi can be seen in posts already on this board. If you have a specific question I would be glad to post code relating to it.
When you say you need to retreive a file from a server, you should know that tapi data calls do not go through the mechanism that ras or sockets use to let the operating system get a ip and port for communication. Your program is responsible directly for the communication. It would be terrific if you could write code to replace the missing incoming ras components from pocket pc. I have not so I could not show any code for that.
If the server you want to connect to is not a pocket pc based device, ie it is a normal pc, then tapi is not the best solution for you. I suggest using sockets, its designed for that kind of thing. ppc to ppc tapi data calling is like a last resort kind of programming. It is forced on us because either the phone networks don't give us usefull ip's for sockets or the api's are not fully implemented in ras. Alternately you could look into using the compact framework 2.0 and c#, I think I read somewhere that incoming ras would be included there.

just one question...your application uses TAPI, isn't it?so TAPI is supported by mostly different mobile device?Am I right?
thanx

ppc 2000 supports tapi outbound only.
ppc 2002, wm2003, wm2005 all support tapi inwards and out.
The hardware can vary, I only have the devices listed in my sig. For all of those (that are phones) tapi data, in/out is fully functional. If you are using a phone card (ie one that plugs into the expansion port) its capeabilities may be different. Often those only support gprs (not tapi). If you have anything with XDA in the name its OK.

Thank you for your advise but I have a specific problem using HTC
Wizard. I need to connect a server using a V110 modem in order to create
data link between a PDA and this server. I developed a code (VB .net)
for PDA and independent cellular phone using standard AT commands. I
tried to develop a similar approach with HTC Wizard but it seems it is
not possible to send AT commands to the modem (cellular line). To
develop your code you should have solved this problem using TAPI. Could
you explain me how to initiate the cellular line so that I could create
a V110 link.
Thx

I understand more clearly what you want to do now. Unfortunately I have never attempted to use at commands. You said I should have solved this problem in my app, but the point of using tapi is to not have to deal with at commands. Tapi is good for sending data, its my "guess" that whatever the commands you want to send could be generated by tapi to look like whats expected on the other end (assuming the typs of transmitted data match. eg dose the size of one at command correspond to >= the size of one char?).
I think that you would not be able to communicate directly with the modem with at commands until you have stopped tapi/ril from using the port. Again, I have not done this. Search this board to find how to do that. Once you have, try your origional code again. I doubt your normal phone functionality would work after that.
Sorry I could not be of more real help.

I dont have PPC but I do have smartphone instead..
Does the program require CSD line or can use normal GSM? Can you create one similar program that can be used in Samartphone wm5?

It uses normal gsm, ie a voice call. The underlying class in my program can probably work on smartphones, but I do not have one. To be honest I think smartphones are dying. Normal ppc phones are the same size now so to put too much effort into smarphones seems less attractive.

My PPC wm5 cannot dial, the other PPC show CONNECT but...
I was using HP Ipaq and Dopod PPC, The HP Ipaq when dialed it show dial number but nothing dialed to other party. Latter Dialed from Dopod It was shown CONNECT but no connection is establish to other party...
Could you give me the reason. If I am using WM5 is the case, what OS that you are using?
How about using CSD line instead could it possible running properly? Do I need to install certificate and signing the application(exe) as to make the program running in WM5, is what happen to smartphone certain API under privilage zone.

It is my mistake the MyTapUser.exe find in both HP and Dopod
I am sorry since I just bought the SIM card and the provider put some procedure before I can use the line. After consulted the shoper, The shoper activated it for me. Walla! I tested again it worked fine...thanks to you...master!

Some networks can also cause problems. I use vodafone and its 100% ok but I put an optus prepaid in and nothing happened at all. If I understand correctly the network should only be interested in the bearer mode. I use LINEBEARERMODE_VOICE - the same as a voice call so it should be ok. When experimenting with that sim, they will not do anything with a call that contains a LINEMEDIAMODE_DATAMODEM in the call params. Very strange considering they have no use for knowing this.
I am pleased it worked for you. This is realy very old and I will be removing it from my site soon when my new stuff comes out. Even if the myTapiUser seems to work, remember that it is not checking the contents of the transmition. Bad weather for example could cause information to be missed. There are probably problems receiving on the HP that you may not have noticed. Is it the same HP made by quanta? If the HP can receive data after answering an incoming call I would love to know about it. Can you confirm this?

This is my report..
I am using prepaid no csd line.
Device Info
========
1.HP iPAQ TI OMAP1510 - 2003 PPC(memory-57.04MB)
2.DOPOD PXA270-520MHZ WM5(5.1.1..1700)(memory-50.19MB)
HP Dialed Dopod
===========
- HP received data from DOPOD immediately after data was sent.
- DOPOD received data from HP after next sequence of data transmit from HP(sometime error 0052 occur)
DOPOD Dialed HP
============
- HP received immediately data from DOPOD
- DOPOD receiving data from HP after the next sequence of data transmitting.
- error trigger 0052(assembly packet...) in DOPOD
data send perfect 100% correct...
May I know whether, If this method can be used sending digital stream of data, such as, compress voice or image?

Yes it can. I have not done voice because the flow of the transfer would be very different from what I want. If you want to see voice transfer in action over data calls google cryptophone.
In about 15 hours I will be releasing my program. Come back then to see what it can really do. I need to make a page for it on my site and get screen captures etc. Its 2am here so I can't do it now.

incoming call how to get connectted?
I can dial to the receiving phone. My receiving phone use ril to detect the incoming call. After the detection, I can press the green button to answer. My problems is why everytime I answered the call it failed.
I did like below procedure, when ril detect the incoming signal
-lineOpen
-lineAnswer
-lineGetID
Is it the correct way to answer the call? Why 'lineOpen' produce error result?
Can You give the correct way to answer the incoming call for modem like communication.
Thank in advance,

As far as ril goes I know little. You should have opened the line before the call was offering, this includes negotiating the version of tapi to use then finding the correct line then using lineopen. All this has been covered in other threads. The values returned from the api calls are self explanitory so checking them is useful.
The use of linegetid is less straight forward but again it has also been covered in other threads. The thing to remember is that after you use lineanswer to answer an offering call, do not imediately call linegetid. You need to wait for the connected line state. Also check the dwCallbackInstance when looking at line states because as I found with the atom, you need to be sure the results are relevant to your program.
I know that what you really would like is some code but its too complicated to sumarize in a few lines. The best thing to do is start from the beginning ( lineInitializeEx ) and work to the end result ( LineGetID ) checking your errors along the way. You will need another thread to do the checking of the state of the line, and it will have to be properly synchronized if you don't want unexplained crashes. If your program is answering the call, don't touch the phone buttons. When you answer the call cprog.exe owns it and you will not be able to access it. Also is there a reason you are mixing ril with tapi? I would guess it complicates the issue, why not just use tapi or just use ril?

Ril or TAPI
Yes! You are right, either one can be used. I am a little bit confused about the two. Just remember I am new to this kind of development. After sometime I am testing the use of RIL and TAPI both can give the same answer, but better use TAPI from the beginning. And I have to kill the cprog.exe and RegisterHotKey for green button first.
I want to ask you something. Why after several attempt of LINEDEVSTATE_RINGING event, there is no LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING trigger, as this event use to lineAnswer? And what should I do when the LINEDEVSTATE_RINGING event trigger?
Thank in advance

Sorry, I may have been a bit loose with the terminology. Its a while since I coded that part - Line states, line messages I mean. LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING is obtaine this way....
First off, use the event notification method, not the callback window. Wait for the event using WaitForSingleObject then Use lineGetMessage to get a LINEMESSAGE. If the dwMessageID of the LINEMESSAGE is LINE_CALLSTATE then check what call state it is (eg is dwParam1 equal to LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING etc). You can then take action depending on what you want to do, like answer when offering.
I never see LINEDEVSTATE_RINGING because it is not needed by my app because the line messages suffice. Killing cprog.exe on a users device before its neccesary could lead to missed calls, also when it is not running the caller just hears the ringing tone so it seems like they are being ignored. I have also found that the os restarts it again anyway after a while (actually it seems like it dose this after the device has powered down and when a new call comes in).

What is the different when using event and callback function
What I understood that we can use either event or callback function to gain message from TAPI. I am using the callback function to get the LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING, which is different than you, where you are possibly using the Event method (lpLineInitializeExParams->dwOptions = LINEINITIALIZEEXOPTION_USEEVENT - I think you are using this one!).
I still cannot get the status of LINECALLSTAE_OFFERING. Some of the events caught are LINEDEVSTATE_CLOSE and LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN. What is the meaning of LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN stated in the MSDN line is open by other application, does it means that cprog.exe is conqured the line?

The reason I said to use the event method is that I have only done this with it. I could not give any advice about the call back method (although i guess it should give the same results), if you can get it to work then its fine. How are you getting LINEDEVSTATE_CLOSE & LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN? LINEDEVSTATE_XXXXX have nothing to do with LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING. Are you checking for a LINE_CALLSTATE in your call back? I think in the call back method this should be sent to your program.
ie
case:LINE_CALLSTATE;
{
if(dwParam1==LINECALLSTATE_OFFERING)
{
//it is offering
}
}
break;
All LINEDEVSTATE_OPEN is telling you is that cprog is also using the phone to wait for calls (normally cellular line).
If LINE_CALLSTATE it means a call is comming and you can find out about it (eg if its offering). cprog.exe dose not do anything to the call unless the user presses a button or taps on the notification. It dose nothing to the line, cprog will be aware of the same messages that you are and if you set up tapi to use data on a line then unfortunately cprog will also ring when data calls come but other than that there are no issues with it to worry about. If you need proof of this just donwload the current version of GSMbeam and in the settings change the spelling of cprog. When a data call comes in you will see GSMbeam monitoring it then the cprog notification will come up over that monitoring the same call. The program that answers the call first is the one that owns it, until then its not altered.

Phone application cprog.exe

Hi,
I want some information about default phone application cprog.exe.
I want to know how does it communicate with outlook and other application.
I guess most probably it should be via message posting.
But, unfortunately wheni tested the same with spy running on cprog and then i called a contact from outlook contacts.
I see many messages posted to cprog but I found no message or Parameter(WPARAM/LPARAM) to cprog that contains the number to call.
can anyone help me out to get information how to fetch that number? the number passed to phone/cprog.exe from contact.
The same thing i need for sddialer.exe that after matching the sound tag, how it informs cprog that which number to call?
Please help! I am looking these since long...

Good Luck
Best of luck trying to find any doco on cprog (if you do, please post back here!).
If you have a look at this thread you may find what you are looking for (at least how to initiate a call from the PC is there):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=295585

Look for LINE_REQUEST message
There a two ways, that an application can make a call; using tapiRequestMakeCall or lineMakeCall. tapiRequestMakeCall is by far the simplest to use. Examples of their use can be found in two sample cellcore progams available from microsoft, CeDialer, and HelloTapi. You could try this and see which produces messages simular to outlook. I'll guess that it's HelloTapi (tapiRequestMakeCall).
When an application uses tapiRequestMakeCall a LINE_REQUEST message is sent to the call-control application. This application must then call lineGetRequest to get information on the request. It then must execute the request.
See the remarks on the lineRegisterRequestRecipient page at microsoft
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms736043.aspx

I wish there was a similar Hello USSD example for the lineSendUSSD API. There's very little information on it... No one seems to be able to capture the responses past the first call.

oops missed part of your question
After the call app places the call, it should get a series of messages, mostly LINE_CALLINFO and LINE_CALLSTATE. The messages contain a handle for the call. Once you have the call handle you should be use the lineGetCallInfo and lineGetCallState functions to get info about the call. I think lineGetCallInfo includes the number that was called. The callstate typically goes through dialling, progressing, and then connected. I believe your not supposed to use the call handle until after a LINE_REPLY message is sent, saying the call didn't fail. If there are problems perhaps you should wait a short time.
To find out more about the messages, you could play with the CeDialer sample. It's linecallbackfunc looks at the messages, it would be easy to put in a few logging statements to see what's in each message. It think CeDialer will only get messages for inbound calls, and calls that it originated. (not ones by cprog.) Although you should check to be sure that I'm correct.
Good luck! Please, let us know whatever you might find out.

Hi,
I will look into this and post reply according As soon as possible.
Thanks

Where i can find the original cprog.exe to install in my non phone PDA? it's the dialer for voip.
Many thanks

where is mobile justice

where is mobile justice in the tnt 2.0 pro at thanks

You can get it here - http://sourceforge.net/projects/mjustice
I'm still trying to figure out exactly why anyone with a wizard (or any model that doesn't have GPS integrated into it, which is most of them) would want to use it anyway. The only thing you can do with it is send text messages to whoever stole it that will show up on the screen without them actually knowing that they recieved a text message. Doesn't seem like much of a deterent to me.

programs/accessories/MJConfig <<<

Just curious, I went to the Mobile Justice site and it implies it only works on GPS enabled phones. Will it still work on a MDA, and if so, will it transmit SIM information so you can identify the thief or provide information to the police so they can track it down?

xeno1 said:
You can get it here - http://sourceforge.net/projects/mjustice
I'm still trying to figure out exactly why anyone with a wizard (or any model that doesn't have GPS integrated into it, which is most of them) would want to use it anyway. The only thing you can do with it is send text messages to whoever stole it that will show up on the screen without them actually knowing that they recieved a text message. Doesn't seem like much of a deterent to me.
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You haven't looked to see what all the program does... Sure we can't use the GPS part, but the main feature is you register your SIM card(s) to MobileJustice and if someone was to put in a SIM card that isn't registered, when the phone reboots it will send out an SMS to devices you have registered. You will then have the phone number of the sim that is now in your phone.
And yes, you can then send SMS to that phone number in a formatted way (if you enable this feature) and text boxes will show up on the phone...
I've also put in a request with the author to have another reply type message so you can send an SMS to the phone and it will reply back with the IMSI of the SIM card currently installed (so you can report both the IMSI and phone number to your carrier. Hopefully you keep your IMEI number safe someplace already so you can report that as well).
So this is a very capable freeware program for the Wizard. We just can't use the GPS feature (although if the thief hooks a GPS device up to it, that may work. Anyone with a GPS attachment that can test that?)

Sorry mfrazzz, I for some reason forgot the fact that it sent you back their phone number also.
Another thing that would be cool if the programmer could add would be if it sent you back their sim contacts, that way you could start calling all of their contacts and let them know that their son/daughter/employee/spouse/friend or whatever is a thief and possibly find out the persons name and maybe even their address in the process. That way you could notify the police exactly who stole it as you're filling out the stolen phone report.

xeno1 said:
Another thing that would be cool if the programmer could add would be if it sent you back their sim contacts, that way you could start calling all of their contacts and let them know that their son/daughter/employee/spouse/friend or whatever is a thief and possibly find out the persons name and maybe even their address in the process. That way you could notify the police exactly who stole it as you're filling out the stolen phone report.
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Actually I think its been requested for either that, or access to the PIM database (too much info I'd think for that though).

mfrazzz said:
. Anyone with a GPS attachment that can test that?)
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I just saw this topic, And tried it out.
HTC Wizard (WM6) with BT-GPS.
It's working, after gps/serial port connection was made, sms was sent.

sorry.
pls. delete.

Mobile Justice works perfectly on my HTC touch pro
Mobile Justice works perfectly on my HTC touch pro

This has killed my GPS in my HTC Touch HD, every thing says there is no GPS device no mater what port i set it to... going to have to wipe the thing and start again

Works fine in my mogul and touch pro. Thank you.

Can anyone develop an SMS application . . .

Hi all.
I was wondering if it is possible to develop an sms application whereby as well as all the usual info you type in eg recipient name, number, message etc, you could have a way to control and set the outgoing 'from' number as well.
This would be handy where some of us are forced to carry two phones around with separate contacts on each.
maybe its not possible but id love to have something like that to simplify life instead of spending multiple messages explaining why id like the reply to a different phone number. ( and no we are not allowed to transfer contacts )
Thanks Guys.
AndyG

Sorry, the from field is not set on the device itself, but set by the network, to do that you would have to do it on the service provider side.

...the only options you can set at the application layer are the ones available through the SmsSendMessage API:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-US/library/aa455068.aspx

To achieve something like this is not possible at application level..what you'll need is to get into a much larger sphere of sim spoofing, which can be carried out, I think, (as I'm a BTS s/w guy,i.e., network software developer) in following two ways:
1. Cloning/spoofing the sim itself using another sim(can be done and is done a lot I think)
2. Hacking into the GSM\Radio image that is loaded into our devices and then hacking the messages exchanged between network and mobile, but this is not possible since we dont have the source code for the radio image
Anyways, if any of these methods are possible, then not just the sms, but ur complete phone functionality will be replicated, i.e., basically u will have two phones with the same number which kinda defeats the purpose of having two phones

sms via cellular-line, bypassing the sms-gateway?

hello,
i wondered if it might be possible to develop an application which enables one to send an sms directly to another phone (running this application)
one may wonder, why i want to do such a thing, but for the better understanding, i will it explain it right here:
i moved to another city two weeks ago and i ordered my phone- and dsl-line at "1&1". 1&1 activated my phoneline and dsl 16000kbit/s connection. additionally they sent me a sim-card for my mobile phone. it enables me to call any fixed line number without any cost. and after a bit of research on the 1&1 website i found, that i can buy a second sim. i would be able to call this sim without any cost, too.
but the sms would be, as everywhere else 19€ct/sms.
so i wondered, if it might be possible to write a windows mobile-software that would be able to send some text directly via the cellular line. without passing the sms-gateway.
i thought of: text-to-tone conversion-software which then calls the other phone, which auto-pickups on certain phone-numbers, and then receives the tone-sequence, and converts it back to readable text.
of cause, the better solution would be to send the text digitally, but i don't even know if that might be possible.
any suggestions and ideas are very welcome.
sorry for my bad english, and sorry for the fact, that i will not be often online, cause my own pc is broken, so i have to go online in school.
greetings
garfield

Wouldn't this be similar to a fax machine?
Not being obnoxious, but it just sounds difficult since SMS is rather just a quick way to send messages from one phone to another. Calling and sending messages via text wouldn't be fast at all. I'd rather just say what I have to say...

i'd say if it was possible it would require both phones to have the program to interp the data recieved as the right type of sms
it's much like the sms over gprs thing

lemme get this straight, this is essentially an analog modem emulator, so not only would "messages" be able to be sent but files could aswell.
Would it also be possible to make "said" communications when your already on a call? that would be cool
Carnivor calls Rudegar on the phone,
Carnivor really says, "Hi Rudegar, im gonna send you that excel file now"
Rudegar really says, "Ok Carn"
you could have a signal that it sent to trigger the other phones running app to be ready to listen for the signal, then handshake and transmit and recieve data,quick ok msg on the screen, or even have it so you get "transfer completed" in the earpiece once completed you can carry on speaking over the phone.
Rudegar really says, "Thanks Carn, this is really good info, chat chat chat
intresting concept!!
you could intergrate "send data" into the phone app skin so when your in a call its easy to start up,
so it'd be good for small file transfer, or a chat app for ppl that have spare minutes to burn and dont mind not being able to make and recieve calls whilst its running.
but it could have its uses

Hi,
yes it seems to be a modem emulator, while being on my way home yesterday i thought about the problem bypassing that gateway... i thought about an own sms-gateway.
anyone has some information on how a sms gateway works? so i could write one and integrate it into my Fritz!Box or run it on my computer. this would enable me to send sms without cost, because calls and connections inside of the 1&1 VoIP network are costless...
the analog modem emulator would be an excellent idea, too... as it would allow to transmit files and "realtime" chat between one or more people.
so, any ideas on the modem emulator and the gateway are apreciated.
greetings
garfield

just Get mxit it doez dat
Get mxit it does what u mean but both phones need have this Client and you need to be online at the same time and if you not it has offline message storage and it doez filesharing to www.mxit.co.za/wap and try smsbug www.smsbug.com

defcomg said:
Get mxit it does what u mean but both phones need have this Client and you need to be online at the same time and if you not it has offline message storage and it doez filesharing to www.mxit.co.za/wap and try smsbug www.smsbug.com
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so mxit is a chatrelay for other instant messaging protocols, and one has to be online via GPRS/3G/UMTS/EDGE ... this produces extra cost and is not exactly the thing i wanted to have.
smssbug is a great alternative, if you're sitting in front of a pc, but no alternative for me, as it also produces cost although this is secondary when talking about 3ct/sms.
what about that "modem" emulation? is there any software out in the internet? i haven't found anything via google.
and the next thing i am thinking about is, if it might be possible to digitalize the phone-to-phone communication. or is it limited to analogoue transmission of data, because of the way it is transported over the network?
i haven't looked into the idea with the sms-gateway, but i will look that up as soon as possible, when i have my internet-connection at home.
greetings
garfield