Hey everybody. I would like to start a global thread about Mugen 3000 battery REVIEWS. I would like to ask the moderators of this Forum to try and keep this thread tidy as in let's only keep the reviews here, and the general questions in other threads.
Mugen 3000 Review
Ok... I'll go first.
My two Mugens got here 2 days ago. I got a 3000 and a 1500.
Let's focus on the 3000.
- Back cover: GPS flap is a FAKE. No camera protection lens. Shiny, non-rubberized back (I like it better this way) with 4 little legs to keep it floating a bit above the surface (you hear the speaker better).
- Battery: double size, heavier than the standard.
THE REVIEW ITSELF WILL BE A SUMMARY OF PERFORMANCE INDICATORS AND USAGE TOTALS.
I will keep updating this post of mine as I evaluate the performance of this battery.
Keep in mind that I am a BATTERY FREAK and I test batteries to PERFECTION.
If you don't want to read through this long review, you can skip down to the "FAST FORWARD REVIEW" or to the "CONCLUSIONS". See post number 4 in this thread.
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CHARGE CYCLE 1 - FACTORY DEFAULT
2008-03-26
- Battery came loaded at 63%. After 2 days I'm stuck at 15%. I spoke about 20 minutes on the phone and used the GPS for about 15 minutes. I worked on it about 1 hour adding contacts and such.
- I installed Battery Status for a more correct measurement of the battery but I never saw it disagree with the measurement of the system (in the tray).
- As I said, I am now STUCK at 15%. It was 15% at 16:00 and now it's 23:00 and it's still 15%. Weird. I suppose that it's better than what others described (they needed to reset or remove the battery for the device to realize that there is still some juice in it). We'll see what the following days have to say about this.
2008-03-27
- Battery Status sucks. The program does NOT DETECT CORRECTLY the battery usage, nor does Windows. Today I woke up with my battery at 7%. I soft reseted. Same reading. I shut down Windows and started again. Same 7% reading. I removed battery (with Windows turned on) and put it back again. New reading: 15%. Now after 1 hour I'm at 9% and holding. Almost 3 days of usage with the factory battery. I spoke about 20 more minutes.
- BATTERY DEAD after 2.5 days. Activities total: ~40 minutes phone, ~15 minutes GPS, ~2 hours screen usage (writing / reading). No WiFi, No BlueTooth.
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CHARGE CYCLE 2 - FIRST FULL CHARGE
2008-03-28
- Full charge this night. 19:00 - 04:00, for a total of 9 hours, just to be sure I respected the instructions for the battery. But it was charged in about 3.5 hours, with about 1.5 hours more than the standard battery. So it charges its capacity pretty fast. Let's see how long it lasts. So far, I'm at 95%. No conversations yet, pretty much no usage. 5% gone in 10 hours, mostly stand by.
- After only 21 hours since the charge, I lost 24% of the battery. I did some text editing for about 30 minutes and about 17 minutes of talk time. I'm pretty disappointed by this relatively "standard" consumption.
2008-03-30
- Two more days passed. I am now at about 64 hours since the charge, so almost 3 days. I used the GPS for about 30 minutes yesterday and talked for about 10 more minutes in total (I don't talk a lot). But the battery is pretty damn low, 28%. I expect it to start dying tomorrow evening. I'll probably remove it and put it back again to see a correct reading.
2008-03-31
- Fourth day approaches its end and I'm stuck at 15%. It appears that my Mugen 3000 has something with this 15% value. It spends a lot of time at 15%. I read that you can stop the device from shutting down when the battery is almost dead by tweaking the registry. I will write the solution here if it proves to be valid. UPDATE: Now at the end of the day, I'm left with 4% juice. I hope there is more under the hood. Today I spoke for about 30 minutes and did no more than 10 minutes of text editing.
2008-04-01
- It's 02:16 (AM) and now it's 94 hours after the full charge. After 5 minutes of talk battery went to 1%. I was too curious about how much there really is left so I removed the battery and put it back. First reading was 44% but it decreased rather fast to 42%. I'll see how it is in the morning. UPDATE: morning, 35%. 10 minutes of talk time so far.
2008-04-02
- At the middle of this day, the Mugen 3000 still holds on. 15% battery after 5.5 days, 10 more minutes of talking. This funny 15% again... been holding already for a few good hours.
- Day end... almost. Battery at 12%. 5 more minutes of talking. So I'm close to 6 days. The Mugen is definitely kicking ass apparently.
2008-04-03
- Only 2% left of my battery now in the morning. Roughtly 6.3 days passed since the charge. I spoke for 20 more minutes.
- BATTERY DEAD after 6.5 days. Activities total: ~102 minutes phone, ~30 minutes GPS, ~40 minutes hours screen usage (writing / reading). No WiFi, No BlueTooth.
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CHARGE CYCLE 3 - SECOND FULL CHARGE
2008-04-05
- I full-changed it yesterday at about 09 in the AM. Now, after 30 hours (so ~1.3 days) I'm at 69% after 15 minutes of talking and 15 minutes of screen usage (reading / writing). Not such a great number really...
2008-04-06
- After 2.2 days I am at 56%. This is well within the reasonable 20% lost per day I got used with when using the standard battery. I only talked for 9 minutes today so far, and pretty much didn't use the phone for anything else. Since I didn't use the GPS, I find it the ok-ish level of the battery quite explainable. It's good to use the phone like this because I will make a review which is centered on exclusive Phone usage. And right now I'm happy with how things are.
2008-04-07
- Battery @ 31% after 3.2 days and 6 more minutes of talking. I'm satisfied with this so far and expect the battery to last for about 36 more hours until it first dies. This should take me to 5 days. We'll see if I reach the 5 days and how does Windows behave with the registry tweak I made last week. If it auto-shuts down again it sucks. It means I'll have to take the battery out and put it back again every 4 or 5 days, which sucks!
2008-04-08
- Guess what's the battery consumption today. 15%, of course. The famous 15%. It was 15% 12 hours ago, it's the same now. I expect it to start dying really soon though. I talked for 22 more minutes today so far and 4.2 days passed since the full charge. EVENING UPDATE: After 16 more minutes of talk I'm crushed at 7%. However, I will not remove the battery and put it back again to get a real reading. I will wait to see if the registry tweak works or not.
2008-04-09
- After exactly 5 days, I got 40% left. Today I spoke for 15 minutes so far. UPDATE: evening at 5.5 days, battery left: 28% after 11 more minutes of talk.
2008-04-10
- Exactly 6.1 days @ 11%. Pretty disappointing really, considering that I haven't used the GPS at all. But I talked for 51 more minutes, so that is probably what drove the battery down. UPDATE: At 6.5 days I got only 4% left after 10 more minutes of talking.
- BATTERY DEAD after 6.6 days. So this is how the Kaiser behaves as PHONE ONLY. Activities Total: ~155 minutes phone (so 2 hours and 35 minutes), ~20 minutes screen usage (writing / reading). No WiFi, No BlueTooth.
WILL CONTINUE NEXT WEEK WITH A GPS ONLY REVIEW, let's see how this baby performs on a long GPS run.
weekend (from fri 6pm to sun 9pm) - bluetooth on, one hour talking, email checked every 30 min -after 2 days i had 30%
regular day f(from 7am to 6 pm) - - 1 hour, playing games (1 hour), phone 1 hour , email every 30min - batery status 50%
Mugen 3000 Review - CONTINUED
FAST FORWARD REVIEW
CHARGE CYCLE 1 - FACTORY DEFAULT
2008-03-26 - So far I am very happy with the way the battery behaved, especially considering that I use it the first time, no charges yet.
2008-03-27 - 2.5 days is ok for a first-time use of the battery. I'm very pissed off that I can't have accurate battery readings from any program!
CHARGE CYCLE 2 - FIRST FULL CHARGE
2008-03-28 - Pretty disappointed because of fast consumption with relatively nothing done with the phone. It's still the first cycle so I have hope for better at the next cycle. Also, probably the readings from BatteryStatus aren't correct and the power is a bit higher than it says.
2008-03-30 - 28% after some long GPS usage and a bit of talking is reasonably well. I'm waiting for the second full charge to draw more conclusions. Also waiting to see the battery reading after I pull it out at 0% and put it back again.
2008-04-01 - This is not an April's Fool joke. I'm very happy with the Mugen 3000 so far. 4.5 days and it's still holding strong even after GPS and talking.
2008-04-03 - Battery dead after 6.5 days - a very good result considering that I used the GPS (30 minutes) and talked in a normal way (102 minutes), without restraining myself.
CHARGE CYCLE 3 - SECOND FULL CHARGE
2008-04-05 - 31% of gone in 30 hours at the second full charge. Not so great really, considering I haven't spoken so much.
2008-04-07 - Almost 3.5 days and I'm at 30%. Acceptable by any standards, especially considering that the battery is actually at more than 30% if I remove it and put it back again.
2008-04-10 - I expected more bang from the battery since I didn't use the GPS, but I talked quite a bit. The Windows Registry tweak is bull**** apparently, the device still autoshutdowns when reaching 0%. Even if the battery is really at 50%. Very very annoying!!!
2008-04-11 - I used the Kaiser in PHONE ONLY mode for this period. It lasted about 6 days and 16 hours
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CONCLUSIONS
THE GOOD:
- About 70% to 90% more juice than the standard battery. This baby really has a lot of energy to give and it will last you A LOT.
- Stated capacity (3000 mAh) is pretty much what you get. So Mugen didn't lie about this (too much). Considering that the standard battery is rated at 1350 and this one does not really last twice as much, it's probably less than 3000, but it's still a great performer.
THE BAD:
- Big size, heavy.
- Delivered back cover is a poor match to the phone.
THE TERRIBLE:
- There is NO WAY to read the battery accurately. Let me repeat that. THERE IS NO WAY TO READ THE BATTERY ACCURATELY. This SUCKS!!! The registry tweak I tried does NOT work and Windows simply shuts down when the battery reaches 0%, even though the battery is NOT dead. You need to REMOVE and put the battery back 2 to 4 times in order to really kill it. First time Windows reaches 0%, the battery is actually at 44%. You must TAKE the back cover OUT, then REMOVE the battery, then PUT IT BACK AGAIN and ONLY THEN you get the accurate reading. This is a very big downside of this battery and I suggest you think very well at this before you buy it.
ALL IN ALL:
- I'm happy ::- ). That's because I'm a battery freak and I like to have a very long lasting battery in any phone I own. So far, this is the best battery I had in my entire life in a phone. A battery that lasts almost 7 days after you talk for 2 hours and a half is GREAT. But I don't think I'll use it always. It's very very disturbing having to remove it every few days a couple of times. I think I'm going to keep it for long journeys and use it from time to time so that it doesn't degrade. I will probably use this one for a month than switch to the standard one for another month and so on.
Your way of testing the battery is not accurate because its not a consistant drain from 1 minute to the next. You should start with your OEM battery and use that as the benchmark. To do the test, first fully charge the OEM battery. Turn off the phone radio so you dont get incoming calls or SMS, turn on wifi, run a gps program to activate the GPS, turn on BT, play a video clip and set it on repeat, set the screen brightness to the max. The video clip playing on repeat will prevent the screen from turning off. Doing all this will create a constant and consistant drain on the battery. Now with everything is going, unplug the charger and start the timer. check on the battery level every 10 minutes and record the battery life until the phone shuts off. Once that's done, start the test with 3000mah battery. Doing the test this way will let you know at which point the battery meter becomes inaccurate for the 3000mah. When the test is done you can also calculate the exact battery capacity of the 3000mah. I've done a test like this for my 2800mah battery and it yield 2950mah when it was a week old then 2850mah when it's about 3 months old.
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Hi there,
I have been the owner of a brand new M500 for just over 2 weeks now and generally I am very happy with it (although I haven't had chance to play with it too much yet). I am just a little concerned with the max battery charge...
After around 16 hours first charge I generally run it down below 1 hours worth of battery left before I put it on charge, always overnight (so getting around 6-7 hours on charge through power adapter not PC). However since the second charge (which informed me I had nearly 9 hours of battery life to look forward to) it has been steadily dropping by around 20 minute increments so that the last time it dropped just below 7 hours max charge...
So this got me to wondering:
A, is this normal?
B, should I expect this to level out at some point, and how many hours should I expect this to be about?
My usage of the PDA functions aren't great and so I generally get a good 2 days worth of use between charges (1 day if I listen to MP3s during the day).
I have disabled the Beam (IrDA and Bluetooth) and only activate them when I want to use them and I only have the screen on a medium brightness. I try to ensure that I don't leave programs running when I'm not using it... Is there much else I can do to increase battery life or should I be happy with what I am getting, as this is the first time I have had a Smartphone, I don't know what to expect...
Many thanks for any of your comments,
Dan
What are you using to tell you the remaining battery time? The standard battery app tells you remaining % of battery, any program which tells you the remaining time is estimating it based on this reading.
Most programs which do this use averaging techniques to find the best estimation of remaining time based on previous charging and discharging times. The reading on your remaining charge time will eventually level out after a few charges. The charge the battery holds hasn't changed, but the estimated time remaining based on that charge has.
Thanks for the reply, I was hoping that was what was happening...
Thanks for clarifying
Dan
I've got an issue and I'd like to know if anyone else is getting this. I've read the forum threads but I don't know what's considered "normal".
Well, simply put my battery power is pretty poor. With no GPS or push internet, my backlight on Auto, and “moderate” usage (8 hours standby, 90 mins on the phone and 3 hours “other” ranging from Internet to games to taking notes), my battery is almost wiped out! I can't get through the day!
This is a far cry from the specs on the HTC website (which claims up to 340 minutes’ talk time), and from reviews I’ve seen saying their phone lasted a few days without charging. Is this normal or do I need to get a battery replacement? My previous phone - an HTC Trinity - seems to have much longer-lasting power (beyond the simple difference in mAh).
I know, some people might consider the usage above to be "heavy" but as phones evolve to take on more and more functions, of course you're going to end up using those functions. I do have TF3D on (I know that appears to guzzle more power).
I am considering the 2200mAh battery but would prefer not to get it because of the thicker profile.
Comments or advice appreciated!
Thanks,
Wassim
Sounds pretty 'normal' to me.
Make sure you keep your phone on charge whenever possible as this will maximise the useable capacity when not being charged.
but as phones evolve to take on more and more functions, of course you're going to end up using those functions.
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You've summed it up - we use our phone with it's lovely screen much more than before.
3 hours “other” ranging from Internet to games to taking notes
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This is where the battery goes, Internet and Games!
When you leave your phone overnight with nothing running, no push internet etc, the battery should only go down, say, 3-4% at a guess, which would indicate the battery's OK. If extrapolated, this indicates a few days standby only usage.
That's fair enough Pete. I'll test that out.
HTC website says the phone should last up to 360 hours on standby. Therefore 8 hours should use up 2.2% of the battery, say 3-3.5% to account for inaccuracy in the battery readings.
Unfortunately my battery only reads in increments of 10%, how do I display the remaining power to the nearest 1%?
Thanks,
Wassim
There's loads of free alternative battery metering schemes, my own fave is "Batti", which puts a coloured bar full width across the top of the screen which shrinks as the charge goes down. If you touch the bar with stylus, you get a page with charge shown 0-100% in 1% increments. Batti's very configurable too.
http://freewareppc.com/utilities/batti.shtml
Unfortunately the duration life of your battery is normal for the stock one.
I have these performance for the battery:
- half day for an intensive use
- one day for a normal use
- one day and half for a low use.
luigug said:
Unfortunately the duration life of your battery is normal for the stock one.
I have these performance for the battery:
- half day for an intensive use
- one day for a normal use
- one day and half for a low use.
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I'll go with that, give or take...
LOL...you are actually having a better luck than I
I think I actually damaged my battery by left it in the car for too long =(
Ładowanie
14:22 19 lipca 2009
Standby: 16h 42m
Talk: 22m
Usage: 3h 33m
Ładowanie
20:23 22 lipca 2009
Standby: 11h 50m
Talk: 29m
Usage: 3h 45m
Ładowanie 2%
10:16 20 sierpnia 2009
Standby: 24h 55m
Talk: 1h 28m
Usage: 4h 4m
Has anyone noticed that after around 3 weeks of using the HD2 the battery life magicly gets bareable?
After 24 odd hours the batterly life is at 76% were as before it would be on its last legs.
Its made me slightly happier with it now, not having to charge it every second i got.
I recall someone explained before that it's simply becoz one tends to fiddle with the device more when it's newly acquired. Now your battery can last longer probably because you are playing with it less each day.
Or did you do any magic power-saving tweak that you can tell us more about?
djchubbs said:
Has anyone noticed that after around 3 weeks of using the HD2 the battery life magicly gets bareable?
After 24 odd hours the batterly life is at 76% were as before it would be on its last legs.
Its made me slightly happier with it now, not having to charge it every second i got.
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Lion and LiPo batteries achieve their max capacity after a period of use similar to the time you have reported.
To keep them there charge as often and for as long as you can.
Exact, it's not your battery lasting longer, it's just you not spending your day playing with the thing anymore.
It's always the same thing, the more a device can do, the more you do with it. On my first 1h train journeys after getting my HD2, I was able to kill 50% battery in 1hr. My first thought was "wow, with my Kaiser I would only use like 15%!!"
But then I took a second thought. I used 50%, but I was browsing the web, in bad reception areas, while listening to music the whole time. With my Kaiser, I'd put music on, check 3 webpages, then put it on the tray with just MSN connected and just pick it up to read/type a message once in a while.
On a next trip, I "forced myself" to do the same with the HD2. Just checked the news for 5 mins, then only listened to music and picked up msn once in a while, plus an unexpected 10min phone call. Guess what? I've only used 20% battery during the trip this time
The "problem" is that browsing with the Kaiser was just painful, so I'd just check the news and put it away. On the HD2 it's so comfortable I forget it and just spend my whole trip browsing heavy pages, which obviously kills battery in no time...
It may be also that battery charge controller incorretly displays battery charge.
It may be that it shows you 75% after 2 days and then by 1 hour your battery will fall down to 1%.
Just starting a thread for battery life experience as people use the phone. Mine is pretty freakin' great right now, but I'll post some initial results after I get home later tonight. I finished charging to 100% almost 2 hours ago, and with just a bit of usage (maybe 10 minutes total screen on time) I still am at 100%. Though, we know that it sometimes takes a long time to drop from 100% to 90%.
What are other people's experiences? Please post display on time in battery stats, as that gives a good feel for how much you're actually using the phone.
Unplugged it at 6:30am with a full charge.
Took it to work, I put it in airplane mode when I'm in the building because I don't get a signal and don't want the radio searching for a signal and wasting power. GPS/Bluetooth/Wifi are all turned off. I turn the radio back on when I'm out of the building, and I'd estimate it's been on 2 hours since it was charged.
Have watched the latest episode of Family Guy and started on the latest episode of Dexter using Rock Player.
I estimate the screen has been on for about 4 hours. I can only estimate because I had to plug the phone in to transfer a file a couple hours ago which reset the stats.
I've downloaded and installed about 20-30 apps today over 3G networks.
At the current time of 3:15pm (8 hours 45 minutes since full charge), I have 30% of the battery left.
I think you're supposed to do a full charge and full discharge so the phone can "calibrate" the battery meter, which I have not done yet, but so far I'm very pleased. Puts my 2 yr old G1's battery life to shame...
Yeah it sounds decent. A bit better than my Nexus One was.
I would say it is on par with the Nexus One. Should get you through the day but you will be plugging it in at night. It is comparable to most android phones.
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Without explaining a bunch of boring details, it's definitely better than my N1 so far. Charged it up right after getting it from the UPS guy today for a couple of hours while I took a nap.
We'll just have to wait and see after a few days of use, charges and discharges. Looking great so far, though!
Played around with it at the store today, came in at 3 p.m after school. The demo unit was already at 45% when I got it, surfed the web for about half an hour, downloaded an app, watched YouTube for about 5 minutes and the phone died at about 4:30.
Not really impressed, but its an Android phone. Hopefully it can be better, the good thing is that the web browser is a lot faster than my iPhone 4. That's what keeping me on returning the iPhone, and it starts up a lot faster as well. Took about 20 seconds to boot up after the phone died on me, and the rep charged it.
Definitely will be needing to charge it every night.
3 hr bike ride with music playing used about %50 of the bat. So its way better then my G1 but not as good as my Iphone 2g.
I'm getting much better battery life then I was getting on the G1....love this phone
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How about someone download Battery Left widget and tell us what it says.
Will vary by user but it will be more accurate with remaining battery life.
So far the battery life on mine is terrible compared to my nexus one, and that was terrible as well.
I woke up 10am, phone on the charger, took it off, around 2pm made two phone calls. Went to work at 5pm, phone's battery was at 23% around 7pm. My nexus one around that point would be at ~50%. So far I'm not impressed with this phone, more work could have went into it.
I loaded a few webpages... did a video chat with someone on Fring for about a minute (lol), downloaded a few apps, had a few phone calls... one lasting about 10 minutes... and after being off the charger for 5 and a half hours.. i'm at 44 percent power... this is my first android device so I'm not sure if that's good or bad
Have you all that are reporting poor battery life done the full-charge/full-discharge thing to "calibrate" the battery meter. I'm not sure that it really matters, but I'm assuming it does since battery info is one of the things you can wipe in the recovery roms.
I'm still extremely pleased with my battery life.
I got the phone yesterday and played with it right out of the box till it was at 5% battery... i plugged it in lastnight and let it fully charge and i unplugged it at 6:15am this mornining... i used the gps to get to work to see how it was... i have watched videos on youtube, gone on the internet, checked and sent emails and texts, downloaded some apps... and played around with it today... i had it plugged into the computer thru usb for approx 5 min tops to set up some media files... and as of now at 3:33pm my battery is at 50%
Opening mine at 930/10pm, heavily used it to burn it to 0% and did that by 12/1230am. Charged it to 100% by 330am. Played with it a bit then went to bed, left it unplugged. Woke up today and burned it to 0% by 330pm. It's charging right now and we'll see how it goes throughout tonight. It will get a bit of pocket time so I'll get a real feel for the battery life.
Took mine off the charger at 7am throught the day had 20 incoming/outgoing calls all lasted at least 2or 3 mins each, downloaded a couple of apps, checked facebook and twitter a few times. showed it off to some friends and now it is almost 5:00 and still have 60% battery, so I am impressed especially since I had a G1 before this
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Have you all that are reporting poor battery life done the full-charge/full-discharge thing to "calibrate" the battery meter. I'm not sure that it really matters, but I'm assuming it does since battery info is one of the things you can wipe in the recovery roms.
I'm still extremely pleased with my battery life.
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They aren't changing them long enough. Lithium ion batteries don't have to be trained like the older style ones. Other other culprit could be the batterystats.bin but you can't access or delete that without root. Jut discharge the battery till it powers off and charge for 4-6 hrs.
charged mine last night while tethered to my laptop browsing - took it off about midnight
this morning the alarm sound (pre-alarm 5 minutes, full alarm for 10 mins and never woke me btw), spent about 2 hours+ talking, browsed the web for maybe 15 minutes, downloaded a few apps from the market and ran a few quadrant benchmark test - it's now almost 6:00PM and it's at 40% -
i'm happy with that - and from experience with my MT3G and the vibrant, battery life should improve with some cycling or useage
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Jut discharge the battery till it powers off and charge for 4-6 hrs.
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leave it on the charger for 4-6 hours after its full or just to charge it from empty to full?
I'm very glad to hear about the excellent battery life. A friend of mine has even reported his phone being on for a full day and still having battery life left.
People make sure that you charge up your battery fully before turning the phone on. It's better to be safe than sorry. I know people say it does not matter but otherwise the battery won't be accurate if you just turn it on out of the box.
10 hours and some change later after normal phone usage and I had to charge it... I'm impressed to say the least
So, i have an year old original (bought directly from Samsung and probably one of the last original spare batteries ever manufactured ).
Normal usage of the phone texting, browsing, light games, would drain 1 % every 3 minutes or so, which is normal i'd say.
What is peculiar about it, is that If i use an app (game) that needs a lot of CPU power, the battery % goes down fast, like almost 1 % every 1 minute, but then, after i stop that app and try something lighter, the % goes down slower, like 1% every 5 - 6 minutes. When the battery discharges fast, the Voltage, as shown by GsamBattery history, is around 3.7 and when it discharges slow, is around 3,9 - 4V.
Also when i'm at 1% the battery usually lasts 10 or more minutes of Sot.
Of course, i calibrated with full discharge and charge several time, no difference.
I can't say i noticed this behaviour last year, but i didn't really test it in detail.
Is this a sign of my battery dying?